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Another Major Spammer Busted

Iphtashu Fitz writes "25 year old Christopher William Smith, considered one of the worlds biggest spammers by the Spamhaus Project, is now sitting in a jail without bond. Smith allegedly had a doctor issue 72,000 prescriptions in the space of one year in conjunction with orders obtained through spamming. The doctor, Philip Mach, had a license to practice medicine in New Jersey but he provided prescriptions to people throughout the United States without ever evaluating them, both of which are big no-no's. Federal authorities have already seized over $3 million in cash, luxury cars, and houses."

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  1. Why don't they know when to stop? by DroopyStonx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as I approve of crimes like this... I just don't get why they don't know when to stop.

    If you've made 3 million... walk away with what ya have. It's not worth pursuing another 3 million to risk losing it ALL.

    Greed.

    Ah well, no respect to dumb greedy criminals.

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    1. Re:Why don't they know when to stop? by nolife · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with your theory is you have no idea when you are going to get caught. It is easier to look back after the fact and suggest you should have walked away one day prior to getting busted. Of course, even stopping the illegal activity 6 months prior to actually getting captured may not be enough. Investigations take a while. When the criminal feels the "heat", it is already way to late for them. The investigation from the past crimes alone could lead to the capture and any further crimes just add to the potential evidence and the punishment. A serial rapist could rape 10 people over a year period before getting caught. It is not always the 10th person that actually leads to the arrest, it could have been the evidence from the first or the second crime. Stopping after the second person would not have helped the rapist escape being caught.
      In fact, the serial rapist may fine tune his skills and leave even less evidence with each crime, of course he could get complacent and over confident as well.

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    2. Re:Why don't they know when to stop? by BackInIraq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As much as I approve of crimes like this... I just don't get why they don't know when to stop.

      If you've made 3 million... walk away with what ya have. It's not worth pursuing another 3 million to risk losing it ALL.


      Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of criminals out there who DO know when to stop, or at least dial it down. You just never hear about them, because they are also the ones who don't tend to get caught.

      I vaguely remember reading about a bank robber who went quite some time (decade or two?) without getting busted because he didn't get too greedy...he'd score so much in a year and call it good. It helped that he didn't tend to get violent, and hadn't killed anybody. The details are fuzzy in my mind, but the point is that there are criminals who know when to back off or even just walk away. This joker obviously wasn't one of them. I could live quite nicely off just one million dollars for the rest of my life, assuming I picked up even a low-paying job or even just invested wisely.

      Of course, it's also quite possible the IRS would eventually notice me and wonder where the money came from, especially if I didn't have gainful employment.

  2. what I would like to do... by Daytona955i · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is smack every one of the 72000 people who bought perscriptions from this guy. I don't think we'll ever really get rid of spammers until it's not profitable for them anymore. The best way to do that is to not buy anything from them.

  3. Spammers by kevin_conaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are most spammers spamming for their own business like this guy did

    I was under the impression that most of the spammers were "for hire" by marketing firms, companies, mafias, etc.

  4. Re:72,000!! by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How does that work? I've only ever had prescriptions that were hand written out by the doctor.
    Usually,the doctor (or his office) can call or fax the pharmacy the prescription.
    Although in this case, it seems like a bit of the old illegality....
    This case also proves a bit of regulatory ineptness, I mean, doctors and pharmacies are highly regulated, how could they miss this guy writing this many prescriptions for so long?

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  5. Good... by The+Tyro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Burn, you son-of-a-b*tch.

    Prescription drug abuse/diversion is a major problem... I get hit with drug seekers in my ER every single day. Some of these people have legitimate chronic pain conditions and need to be under the care of a pain specialist, while others are simply using narcotics to treat their psychological pain (or just gathering "party supplies" for the weekend). Some of these people self-medicate and push their vicodin/lortab dose until they get acetaminophen toxic... bad way to end up on the liver transplant list.

    And before somebody says it, no, I don't think drug legalization is the answer.

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    1. Re:Good... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Some of these people self-medicate and push their vicodin/lortab dose until they get acetaminophen toxic...

      So why the *hell* do the pharma companies use acetaminophen to "denature" their hydrocodone tablets? Wouldn't it be better not to add the acet. and just treat drug addicts who are a danger to themselves/others?

      Either that, or add something that has fairly immediate and unpleasant effects when overdosed upon, rather than acet. which has no immediate unpleasant effects, is seen by the public as "safe" (after all, it's in nonprescription Tylenol, and the nanny-state won't allow any truly *scary* drugs to be sold OTC, right?), but which often causes fatal liver/kidney damage a few days after overdosage.

      Tylenol is nasty shit - I prefer taking aspirin for my headaches. Apart from the small risk of stomach problems, it's actually a lot less toxic than Tylenol.

      -b.

    2. Re:Good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And before somebody says it, no, I don't think drug legalization is the answer.

      Of *course* it's the answer. Instead of fucking addicts clogging up the ERs to try to get you to give them drugs they can't pay for (that in turn increases other people's costs or uncle sam's costs), they can be kicked to the street and feed their addictions the way alcoholics and smokers do.

    3. Re:Good... by DroopyStonx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um... right. Your ER? You're a doc I take it, huh?

      Drugs shouldn't be illegal to begin with - that is the very problem here. Who cares what someone wants to put into their own body?

      Saying "no no" or giving them punishments for it isn't a logical deterrent, because if you don't give it to them, they'll get it elsewhere.

      The ridiculous laws make it harder for people with legitimate pain to get proper treatment. I experienced it firsthand when I had my tonsils taken out a few months back and was in HORRIBLE pain.

      I had a 12 oz bottle of lortab that I used in about 2 days because the pain was so bad. The pharmacists "couldn't believe" I went through that much in a short period of time and refused to refill it even though I had direct order from the doc to go ahead and do so.

      Pain is different for everybody, and not one person can use their fucking brain and realize that the "recommended" dosage doesn't exactly cut it in certain situations.

      Well, I know it's not the pharmacist's fault, they just follow the laws: it's the laws and the lawmakers that are the problem.

      I didn't wanna deal with the hassle and I didn't wanna wait the "legal" period to get a refill, so I sought out someone I knew that had easy access to plenty of vicodin.

      It actually worked out in my favor because I decided to circumvent the system.

      I don't blame the drug addicts, but rather the ridiculous limitations and control that the government has on everything when it's not logical to do so.

      Of course, it's what we're used to, so the common think is that it's acceptable, and to question otherwise is insane.

      It's nice to see people get modded up who have closed minded views and resort to childish anger in saying dumb shit like "Burn you son of a bitch."

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    4. Re:Good... by DroopyStonx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To a point... we aren't talking about rape or murder, but substances that someone willingly wants to put into their own body.

      If someone wants perscription drugs, let em pay for it and get them. Why not? If they abuse it, it's their own problem.

      People will retort with things like, "well it hurts their friends and family, and if they cause an accident or OD, yadda yadda".

      We already have laws for being under the influence of substances, so that part, which is a big concern on the minds of most people, is taken care of.

      Insurance companies won't carry them if they're an addict, and if they're somehow admitted to a hospital they will be stuck with a nice debt if they're unable to pay it off. It seems to me would be punishment enough for being so naive and not in control with yourself.

      Do you see how controlled vicodin and lortab are? It's ridiculous. We're so concerned and drowning with "drugs are bad, control them," that the laws become a hindrance to those with actual needs (as explained in my previous post).

      It might sound like I'm goin off the deep end, but when you experience how stingy pharmacies are due to these laws, you'll know.. especially if you're in terrible pain and have no way of treating it.

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  6. Re:Only in jail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Print adds in my mailbox are 100 times worse than electronic spam... At least the only resources being pissed away by e-spam are electricity, network bandwidth, and time.

    Snail Spam wastes trees, oil, electricity, & time and ultimately only serves to keep the postal service in business and keeping landfills a growth market. I somehow manage to recieve 5 times more physical spam than electronic spam in my personal mailboxes.

    I hate both, but if I had to choose which one to erradicate, it would be the physical variety.

  7. Re:72,000!! by EvilMagnus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And the corrolary from that is that how on *earth* did the doctor think he'd get away with that? The DEA has systems that track that kind of thing, and they're *very* public in letting doctors know about it. Supposedly the DEA monitors annual prescription rates of proscribed medications (pain meds, mostly) . I guess they saw the massive uptick in prescriptions by this doctor and called the goon squad.

    But again, how on *earth* did the doctor think he could get away with that?

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  8. Re:72,000!! by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Several bits of news here that shocked me:

    72,000 people out there actually put pills in their bodies which came from a spammer who spells it "V1Ag ra!!!"

    There was an actual doctor writing precriptions for these drugs, not just some sleazy smuggler from bolivia or some nutjob with a lab for making counterfeit placebo replacements.

    The bastards are actually got caught at all, and did not turn out to be some distant Russian or Maylaysian hackers far beyond the reach of our law enforcement systems, but rather were a pair of US citizens dumb enough to think they could get away with it.

    This is terrific news. Hoist a beer to your friendly neighborhood cyber-cop tonight, folks. It's not often the spooks get to be universally seen as the Good Guys.

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  9. Note that spam isn't sending him to jail by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the illegal prescriptions.

    He sold $20,000,000 of hydrocodone in less than a year. I think the bigger question is how the hell he could sell that much of a tightly controlled narcotic before getting busted.

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  10. And yet... by gubbas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And yet, the drug maker that supplied all these over priced pills to a single doctor in such a short time gets what? Fined? Prosecuted? No, they get richer! I love the US medical industry.

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    1. Re:And yet... by z4ce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You must not be aware of how the prescription system works (at least in the US). When a doctor writes a prescription, you take it to a pharmacy which fulfills the prescription. The drug company has no idea that a single doctor is filing many of the prescriptions.

    2. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yet, the drug maker that supplied all these over priced pills to a single doctor in such a short time gets what? Fined? Prosecuted? No, they get richer! I love the US medical industry.

      Translation: "Waah! Other people have more money than me and I don't like it! Waah!"

      Good job, mods. Really.

      As for the pharmaceutical companies, how they hell are they supposed to know? It's not like he placed a bulk order and gave it all out at his office. 72,000 prescriptions spread out over the course of a year filled at pharmacies across the entire United States... background noise on their radar screen.

      If anything, it only shows that there needs to be tighter integration of medical information when prescriptions get filled. Hopefully not so much as to inconvenience the customer at the counter, cause that shit can get tiresome. It wouldn't be an issue of privacy either, just have a database storing the name of the doctor who wrote it (well, some unique identifier thereof) and the drug being prescribed. Then 72,000 hits on one doctor would put him well within visual range of anybody watching that system.

  11. Re:72,000!! by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Think about it. You sell ED medicine and generic monoxydil products... or whatever.

    Are you going to ask a lot of questions if a new customer comes along and starts providing you with millions of dollars worth of orders? Would you be inclided to view their decision to order all these drugs from your manufacturing plant as "suspicious" or "lucky"?

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  12. Re:72,000!! by Golias · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Considering that the average GP these days spends about 7 actual minutes with each patient, and in some cases prescribes more than one drug per visit, 27 scripts per hour is probably only slightly above the curve. I could easilly see this slipping under the radar if it wasn't for people hunting down the spammer he was working through.

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  13. I should be a spammer.. by dustinbarbour · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems that the market is losing some of its biggest players. With the immense amount of money to be made spamming, now seems to be the best time to get into the business!

  14. Another Great Victory by MrCopilot · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA:
    In May, a federal judge shut down Xpress Pharmacy and appointed a receiver to take control of the business' assets. Federal authorities seized $1.8 million in luxury cars, two homes and $1.3 million in cash.

    Figures, they had to wait till it was profitable.

    Now what are all those HydroCodine Junkies gonna do? Head straight to Crack and Crystal Meth. Ahhh, Justice.

    The indictment contains various counts of conspiracy to dispense controlled substances, wire fraud, money laundering, distributing controlled substances and introducing misbranded drugs into interstate commerce.

    I'm all for prison-raping the spammers, but if they don't charge him with any spam offenses, then we're all jumping on the War on Drugs Bandwagon. Count me out.

    Make it a crime to repeatedly use my computer equipment for unsolicited Advertisements. Fine them at an advertiser rates. 5 cents a email. Charge him with this crime & let the bunkmates line up.

    The doctor faces what charges?

    The U.S. Attorney's Office said Mach was represented by Bruce Levy of New Jersey. A call to his office was not immediately returned Wednesday.

    Oh.

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  15. I'm always amazed by Zunni · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It never ceases to amaze me that people (users) continue to do business this way.

    People wonder why the spamming never ends, it's because 72,000 perscriptions were bought through an email ad.

    Spamming really does work, it's cheap, and highly effective as evidenced by the above numbers.

  16. Re:Only in jail? by Shads · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nod, try greylisting, that helps a ton too. Most spammers don't use real mail servers that comply with the rfc's... so generally if you missed the mail on the first run you're not going to get it.

    There was an excellent piece on slashdot a while back about spamfiltering... infact here's a link to it: http://acme.com/mail_filtering/ killer stuff there on prevention. He gets a level of spam that would put me outta my mind.

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  17. Re:Real Crime is Organised by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Doesn't seem likely this had anything to do with your recent drop in spam.

    Actually it does. The big drops happened earlier this year, but every time there is an arrest it seems there's a dip, as if all the spammers have taken notice and are limiting their visibility, until they feel the threat to them has passed, or they determine to take their profits and quit while ahead.

    I have no doubt that it'll pick right up again, within the next ten days.

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  18. A new application of an old way to fight crime by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Back during Prohibition, a number of gangsters were sent to prison for tax evasion. The Feds couldn't get any evidence about the really bad things like extortion, robbery and murder, so they used what they could get. This is just more of the same thing, and a great idea. Professional spammers are likely to be breaking a number of laws, so investigate them and charge them with whatever you can find. Selling drugs, tax evasion, fraud, whatever.

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  19. 72,000 More... by catdevnull · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They should fine each person who answers illegal ads, too. If a spammer sends out 1,000,000 junk mails for almost no cost and one ass clown answers, it makes it worth his trouble. It's like prostitution or drug dealing: both buyer and seller should be busted.

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  20. Re:72,000!! by operagost · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm annoyed that 72,000 dipsticks responded to his spams.

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  21. Re:Real Crime is Organised by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This guy's been out of business for months. He was indicted today, but shutdown months ago.

    Exactly. What I alluded to was the action of his actual arrest causing a dip in activity of other spammers, rather like everyone runs onto the beach when a shark attacks, never mind they are well aware that sharks are in the water at all times.

    This was clarified in a reply to one of the above posts.

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