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Open Source Autos Hit the Streets in Spain

markdowling writes "BBC News has a story about electrically powered tourist cars in Cordoba which provide tourist information in French, English and Spanish as landmarks are passed. The promoter, Alfredo Romeo, calls them Blobjects which he heard described in a speech by Bruce Sterling. The car's tourist guide software is open source - Romeo's quoted reason: 'With proprietary software, innovation comes from the people in marketing. But with open source, innovation comes from the guy who is really in the market. It comes from someone who knows the city.'"

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  1. More at Global Electric Motorcars Web Site by Hulkster · · Score: 4, Informative
    For those interested in more details about the GEM car and some MUCH better pictures than the small ones in the BBC article, here's GEM's web site.

    Ironically, the Wikipedia Blobject article says it "needs to be cleaned up to conform to a higher standard of quality. This article has been tagged since April 2005" - you'd think that all those "hip" Blogject'ers would have made this entry super cool and happening.

    Concrete Cam is up and running.

    1. Re:More at Global Electric Motorcars Web Site by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

      Best of all, for all of its innovative design, GEM is suprisingly affordable.

      Yeah, the GEM is surprisingly affordable but it certainly doesn't have an "innovative design" as it's just about the same as any electric golf cart with a roof and seatbelts.

    2. Re:More at Global Electric Motorcars Web Site by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but it certainly doesn't have an "innovative design" as it's just about the same as any electric golf cart with a roof and seatbelts.

      Yes, it's an insult to innovation. Look, they're stealing the all-innovative car design with 4 wheels and a motor! Unbelievable.

  2. So one tiny part of the car is open source by blowdart · · Score: 4, Insightful
    But that apparently means slashdot can call the whole car open source.

    Is there anything factual these days in topics, or is it just astroturfing for OSTG?

  3. pun? by jshaped · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The promoter, Alfredo Romeo,..."

    did anybody else read this as Alfa Romeo?

  4. Informative Link by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Informative


    The promoter, Alfredo Romeo, calls them Blobjects which he heard described in a speech by Bruce Sterling.

    Here's a link to the Bruce Sterling speech, referenced by Alfredo Romeo, courtesy of
    boingboing.

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  5. Slow... by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These GEM's are really niche market. Great for little towns where its 20mph or less, but if you hold up traffic then they are in the wrong place. Just as golf carts in the USA, they are a pain in the ass when given the right of way.

    GEMcar.com even says "build the town/neighborhood around the car"..

    1. Re:Slow... by bombadillo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These GEM's are really niche market. Great for little towns where its 20mph or less, but if you hold up traffic then they are in the wrong place. Just as golf carts in the USA, they are a pain in the ass when given the right of way. GEMcar.com even says "build the town/neighborhood around the car"..

      These could work in really big Cities. Traffic in big congested cities is stop and go and averages about 20MPH. Unfortunately modern U.S. cities have given up the grid patern and let the developers do the planing ad hoc with huge high ways. These GEM cars won't work in these "modern" cities.

      I could see these things working in European cities or even the older U.S. cities. Big Cities that charge congestion tolls could make exceptions for these small vehicles.

    2. Re:Slow... by geomon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You spend 95% of your life at two places. Home and Work. What would possess you to live so far away?

      Because I can have room for my dogs (two German Shorthair) to run and my nearest neighbor is 30 meters from my house. I also have a spectacular view of the river from my house.

      Time to start thinking about living closer to work..

      Well, that is one possible way to attack the problem. I prefer to do more of my work at home, thereby not starting my internal combustion engine at all.

      -- your car is an unimagined luxury,

      Not where I live, nor in the line of work I am in. I am a geologist and the work I am in requires that I go to where the contamination is to clean it up.

      and your not going to have that leisure for long...

      You and your grandchildren's grandchildren better hope you are wrong. If I don't get to where the contamination is, you will be eating/drinking it on or in your dinner/lunch/breakfast.

      the Chinease and Indians might like lightbulbs and concrete floors for their huts -- thats going to take PLENTY of gas.

      Quite possibly. They will not, however, have to string miles of copper across their country to have nation-wide telephony. Cell phones have seen to that. And the Chinese are building out gigawatts of nuclear power, lessening their dependence on fossil fuels for electrical generation.

      Your going to compete in the international marketplace for that oil.

      Here's some news for you: I already do.

      What do you think its going to cost you to drive your existing car 30miles in 15, 25, 35 years?

      I don't plan on owning this particular vehicle in 10 years, so your question is moot.

      What do you think that drive is going to look like?

      SPACE CARS!!!

      Haven't you seen a modernist movie of the future?

      5 passenger, steel, 4x4 suv that gets 15mpg -- or a 40mph golf-cart? I'll bet the latter.

      I'll take that bet. You see there were plenty of people in 1980 who would have bet on the golf cart and lost.

      Your ability to predict the future of oil is mitigated by the behaviour a human's response to market demands.

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  6. +1 Insightful? by Rurik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'With proprietary software, innovation comes from the people in marketing. But with open source, innovation comes from the guy who is really in the market. It comes from someone who knows the city.'

    Is it possible to give a quoted source in an article +1 for Insightful?

    1. Re:+1 Insightful? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Insightful? That's the part of the quote I immediately rolled my eyes at -- it's incredibly stupid and ignorant. How does he think products get developed in the real world? Got news for him -- big companies with lots of resources produce most of computer innovation. I'm still waiting for something innovative to come out of Open Source. Most, if not all, of it is copying proprietary software.

      Not to say that Open Source isn't useful, I use it every day. But innovation is not (currently) what Open Source is all about.

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    2. Re:+1 Insightful? by dotlin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ... big companies with lots of resources produce most of computer innovation. I'm still waiting for something innovative to come out of Open Source. Most, if not all, of it is copying proprietary software.
      Your statement hinges on your definition of innovation. I find that word often used as a buzzword, usually in the same breath as patents. I'm sure if you counted all the software patents that there are more owned by proprietary software companies. If however you use the word innovation to mean "a new device or process" then I would like to see some evidence to support your claim. Other factors are at play that can help/hinder innovation besides the type of software license such as:
      • competion - monopolies don't need to innovate. An example is that Microsoft had stopped development on Internet Explorer (IE) 6 SP1 as the final standalone version in June, 2003(1) since it is just part of the Operating System. Then in Feb 2005(2) they announced they changed their mind and IE 7 will be out for Windows XP. (Surely just a coincidence that Firefox 1.0 was had been released in that time frame). Capabilities like RSS based live bookmarks and tabbed browsing in Firefox may or may not be innovative by your definition (I don't know - I'm not trying to troll or inflame) - however it has raised the bar for web browsing and helped prod Microsoft to produce a better product. Note that Microsoft sat back for years with no innovation for IE, or even proper bug fixes for CSS support and you can't say it's because of lack of resources...
      • cooperation - in particular open formats/protocols - TCP/IP ultimately begat HTTP and Mosaic.
      • market share and network effect - IRC begat Instant Messaging but that wasn't innovative until MSN Messenger came along to patent custom emoticons. (3)

      Is it possible to count all the software innovations and then make a determination of whether that innovation came from an open or proprietary software license?Maybe Microsoft can fund a study?

      References:

      1. http://www.zone-h.org/en/news/read/id=2789/
      2. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/feb0 5/02-15RSA05KeynotePR.mspx
      3. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/23/13 8228&tid=155&tid=109
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  7. Optimism by truckaxle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It costs about US$50 (£28) for a two-hour rental

    This sounds low and optimistic. I wish them luck but when you are dealing with the public you have to design for the lowest common denominator and that can be surprisingly low. Liability insurance will cost an arm and leg for this venture.

    Also there is a certain sense of entitlement and disrespect of others or common property that is engrained in the public mind. This is why projects that attempt to altrustically provide free public bicycles often (always?) fail.

    But the open source software sounds cool.

    1. Re:Optimism by guaigean · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're kidding right? I can rent a car on average in the US I can rent a full size car for a full day for ~$50. Are you telling me that $50 for two hours in a golf cart is cheap?

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  8. Where's the source? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful


    The computer system is based on open source software developed by a company in Seville, Spain. As with any open source software, anyone can improve and change Blobject's code, as long as those improvements and changes are shared with others.


    really? what company? where is a link to the sourcecode? I love stories devoid of information and throw around the term "open source"

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    1. Re:Where's the source? by Otter · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Open source" doesn't require a link to source code, let alone that a BBC article about you have a link to source code.

      Buy yourself a Blobject, request the source code and complain to us if they don't provide it. When we stop laughing at you in your silly golf cart, we'll get outraged then.

  9. Link to Alfredo Romeo's Website by 8127972 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Link to the Alfredo Romeo website in English with some interesting details on these cars.

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  10. Sensationalist Headline? by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "open source auto" = "a regular car with a tour guide program which is ostensibly open source".

    Big difference, there, "Scuttlemonkey".

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  11. Misleading title by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Informative

    My chauffeur is sick, anyone know where to find a driver for this peripheral?

    Seriously, the car operating software is not open-source... it's the navigational system software that is. The owner of the company makes a valid point about marketing-driven vs. user-driven software, but I surmise that this is a great example of OS working in the market...

    It's cheaper to use open-source in some circumstances.

    However, it is very misleading to write that the car is open-source.

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  12. No regen brakes by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it difficult to believe that an EV manufacturer would product a series of EV's that don't include regenerative brakes. Another reader commented that this is "a modified golf cart," and I'd have to say he's right. I'd have *some* respect for these folks if they had regen brakes as an option, or had "regen + hydraulic backup." As it stands, it really is just a golf cart with a NEV rating. Meh ...

    1. Re:No regen brakes by entirety · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the 2005 user manual... ----snip----- Speed Control: GE solid state controller with: * Motor thermal protection * Battery under-voltage protection * Regenerative brakes ----------Looks regenerative to me. * Top speed regulation ----end snip--

    2. Re:No regen brakes by evilviper · · Score: 2
      I find it difficult to believe that an EV manufacturer would product a series of EV's that don't include regenerative brakes.

      Who the hell said they don't have regenerative brakes? They DO have regenerative brakes. Not only does it say so in the docs on their website, but I've even driven one up/down hills and watched as the battery meter goes UP (a couple percent) as it is stopping.

      Another reader commented that this is "a modified golf cart," and I'd have to say he's right.

      No, it's not. They have less in-common than golf carts than they do with typical cars. They can be used as golf-carts, however, but I wouldn't recomend it. They weigh probably 3Xs as much as the heaviest golf cart you can find, and the electric motors in GEMs are monsterously powerful... probably an order of magnitude (10X) more powerful than golf carts. Even set to "turf", anyone who isn't very light on the accelerator will find themselves digging 2-inch deep holes in the ground...

      Besides that it has a very strong aluminum frame (basically a roll-cage), an impact-resistant windsheild, windsheild wipers, and headlights, all of which are probably stronger than what you've got in your car.

      Now to be fair, there certainly are some major cons. The accelrator pedal is the worst thing they could have done... You rest your entire foot on the pedal, not on the floor like in a car (and in most golf carts), so you don't have much control, and any bumps easily drive your foot to the floor, making you accelerate unintentionally. Additionally, the shocks are very rigid, and you are setting up much much higher than you would in a car or a golf cart, so the ride is very, very rough. Even at 10MPH over small bumps it feels like you're driving in a truck going offroad at 50MPH... Absolutely not smooth riding.

      As it stands, it really is just a golf cart with a NEV rating.

      Well you're just the expert then... Not having ever driven one, not bothering to read any of the information at the official web site, or even bothering to spend a few seconds doing a search.
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  13. Worstest word evar! by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
    I've had a series of JE's as new candidates for Worst Word Ever emerge -- I believe that most recently "malternative" knocked off "blogmarklet".

    But "blobject" is a simply a horror of Lovecraftian proportions.

  14. See more here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  15. Open Source Autos Hit the Streets by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, could be worse. At least it's not a wall or something.

    I wonder if the car was windows.

  16. As an Amuricuhn... by eno2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...I wouldn't be caught dea in one of those disasters on wheels. Here is why:

    1. It's too small. I weigh about 450 Lbs due to my healthy and steady Amuricuhn diet of fast food and convenience snacks. I might be able to sit in it by myself, but I'd like to have my wife and kids with me and I don't see how that little thing is going to handle 1400 Lbs total for my family of three.

    2. Is uses electricity which is inferior to petroleum for the amount of energy produced per gallon. One gallon of electricity gets you what? Ten feet mabye? Sorry, but give me an Escalade with extra gas tanks.

    3. It looks wimpy. Just picture yourself going around full throttle at 20 MPH! When I get in a car, I want to go 0-80 in no more than 15 seconds. Again, give me an Escalade.

    4. Where's the DVD player? My son likes to ask a lot of stupid questions about stuff we're driving past when we're on vacation. Like when we drove past the Grand Canyon, he asked if we could get out and look at it. For god sakes! If god had intended for us to actually walk around natural formations like that he would have made us donkeys or billy goats instead of people. My kid needs to have his eyes locked on a DVD or video game so he doesn't ask stupid questions. That's a MAJOR flaw in the design of this thing.

    5. IF these things could hit 80-150 miles an hour, they'd also need radar detectors to keep the cops from being able to illegitimately raise revenue by ticketing me when I was well in control of the car. I guess it doesn't matter though since they TOP OUT at 20 MPH! It also doesn't matter because I won't be putting my sweet Amuricuhn ass in one of those pencil necked carts.

    6. They're open to the outside. If I want a tan, I'm going to lie on the beach, not sweat like crazy in a car. Who in their right mind would ever want a car that's open? I can count the number of times that my car windows are open here in the U.S. of A. in a year on one hand. I prefer to have my AC blasting on full if it's over 65 F because it keeps me from sweating. I also like the fact that it blows the fragrance from my car air freshener around and makes the car smell like the clean outdoors just the way mother nature intended.

    7. There's no stereo system. When I drive I like to avoid being distracted, so I put the stereo up on full volume to drown out any yammering my wife and kid might be sending my way. Whatever they have to say is unimportant and I like Kidd Rock and Eminem. They're much more entertaining.

    8. These things are funded by a communist government. I was kind of shocked to find out that Cordoba is a communist run city. I thought the only place the red menace still existed was Cuba and China. I guess we're going to have to pre-emptively strike Cordoba before they get us. They're probably getting together some terrorists to try and take down the good old U.S. of A. Our best and safest route is to probably send some troops down to South America to take care of those uppity commies in Cordoba.

    9. Open source software promotes piracy and communism. The use of open source on these "cars" probably violates IP laws in every civilized capitalist nation. If this jackass tried to start a similar business here, I can guaran-damn-tee you that he'd be face to face with CIA and FBI agents wanting to see his past affiliations.

    We've got to protect Amuricuh. Our homeland security should be the first thing on everyone's mind on the entire planet because we've got the big guns. Something goes wrong here and we get taken over by the commies, you know they'll use our firepower against all the sissy nations of the world the at turn tail at the slightest sign of trouble. Give us some respect and don't drive these monstrosities anywhere but into the ground.

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  17. What a load of baloney by suitepotato · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First, as is noted by a few sane souls, some of the software is OSS, and who cares?

    Second, it's an electric car. Someone call Ed Begley, Jr. and wake me when they design and build one that is properly competitive with my SUV and cost effective.

    Third, innovation does NOT come from the marketing people, they merely put a glitzy name to the innovation. Innovation in software comes from astute programmers who "get it" as to what the customer is not only wanting, but actually needing and lacking the descriptive powers to convey. The cry programmers should live for is not, "oooh, cool, open source..." but "EXACTLY! This is EXACTLY what I was needing! Damn, this is EXACTLY IT!"

    And then the common know-nothing-about-the-behind-the-scenes people chalk it up to the sales and marketing people while the programmers go on to have post orgasmic depression, their having "gotten it" gone unappreciated. Such is the life of those doing the writing. Strangely, no one ascribes Stephen King's works to the marketing department of his publisher...

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  18. Cordoba? by TWX · · Score: 2, Funny

    "...electrically powered tourist cars in Cordoba..."

    WELL, my Cordoba is powered by good ol' gasoline. Chrysler four barrel 360 engines don't run on anything else. Besides, I know that mine's better. Chicks dig the Fine Corinthian Leather(tm).

    I can't believe that Ricardo Montalban went from a Cordoba to a Reliant .

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  19. About the code and the company who wrote it by teoruiz · · Score: 2, Informative

    To answer a couple of comments above, I'll say that the company who wrote the software is Yaco S.L., a little OpenSource company based in Sevilla, in south Spain.

    The code itself was wrote using several free technologies such as wxWidgets+Python, SQLObject+MySQL and GPS Drive. It is supossed to be available soon, as soon as possible.

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