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T-Mobile Offers Relief for Hurricane Victims

lilrowdy18 writes "Eweek reports that T-Mobile is offering free Wi-Fi to areas affected by Hurricane Katrina. This relief will be free until Sept 2 and an evaluation will be done to see if it will continue after that. The hot spots are only available to residents of Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi and does not include phone service. The article also includes a link to a map of T-Mobile hotspots. At least we can use some form of communication to get in touch with loved ones."

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  1. Location list and personal note... by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had a friend, located in Biloxi, MS contact me via SMS this morning to let me know that he and his family were all ok. Their house and their cars were flooded out. He had to turn off the mobile after a couple messages to conserve energy.

    Now, I saw this story ahead of time (and t-mobile's site was already snail slow) but I got to the page for Mississippi. My SMS to him:

    t-mobile is offering free wifi to hurricane victims: Flowood (Borders),
    Kinkos (Hattiesburg & Jackson), and Starbucks (Ridgeland & Southaven)


    Now, after I sent it, I thought about it. In the entire state of MS they have *5* wifi hotspots? Are these locations operational? Will they offer some electric draw for those that need it?

    I really think it's great that t-mobile is offering this to those people affected by the storm but so few locations and many w/o power? What good can it really do? Skype, where are you?

    Most of these people would probably prefer telephone service over Internet access. Luckily this guy was able to e-mail via SMS and get in touch w/those that care about him.

    I'm just glad that one of the people I know from the area is ok and I wish all those affected by the storm the best of luck for a speedy and safe recovery.

    I have put up a mirror of locations in text format. Hopefully this will be easier to disseminate.

    1. Re:Location list and personal note... by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who needs a free hotspot when we can go "war boating"
      What I don't understand is why we aren't mobilizing Guard units from other states, for example, Ohio. I would love to go and help out. (One can't always leave work to go help the Red Cross, but when the Guard calls, you pretty much have to answer the pager, employer be damned....)
      Sort of makes one want a freeplay radio... at least to listen to what is going on. (ccradio.com)
      And I do feel for all the suffering, but although there were quite a few people who couldn't get out, a lot of people stayed willingly after the call to evacuate...

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    2. Re:Location list and personal note... by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe because they are all in Iraq.
      Should I bother posting facts to refute that false assumption, or would it be a waste of time....
      Do you truly believe that statement and you are just uninformed, and as such would be ammenable to facts to the contrary? Or is it just a knee jerk reaction from someone who has never served?
      The Guard is ready to serve in any domestic emergency, contrary to the propaganda you hear from Al Franken....

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  2. Only 3 days?? by TurdTapper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This relief will be free until Sept 2

    That doesn't make any sense. Why would you only do it for 3 days and then "evaluate" whether you'll charge or not. Why in the world wouldn't you offer it for at least a week or two before evaluating? So if you are stuck in the disaster area and want to get a hold of someone that way, you've only got until Friday. After that you are out of luck or you might have to pay.

    I think it's good they are helping out, but that's almost a cheap way to get some good press.

    If you are a company like that and you really want to help, then go in whole-heartedly.

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    1. Re:Only 3 days?? by Trusty+Penfold · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly - if they want to help then they'll help. If their PR department wants something to do then they'll do this.

    2. Re:Only 3 days?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is 3 days really insufficient to *contact* someone? Your post looks like a troll to me: "for any x, complain that it's not >x".

    3. Re:Only 3 days?? by stienman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why would you only do it for 3 days and then "evaluate" whether you'll charge or not.

      One word: Spammers. Or, more generally, idiots who *will* abuse the system. It's not like a food line where you can pretty easily evenly distribute scarce resources and prevent people from poisoning the stew.

      After three days they'll have a pretty good idea of patterns of usage and optimize the service to weed out the abusers. They will also likely tweak the caches so that most frequently used resources will be readily available without tying up the backbones so much.

      Chances are good it was sold to higher management as a good publicity stunt, but managment is afraid that it'll either become very costly, or they'll destroy the service for users who actually pay for it. So the 3-day completely free is a good compromise. They can gauge complaints and usage, and then make a longer term decision.

      -Adam

    4. Re:Only 3 days?? by vought · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How big of them.

      Why don't they offer free service to their customers in afffected ZIP codes for a month?

      Why don' they donate some time andd money to the Red Cross?

      For fuck's sake, most people who survived this don't have power, and may have gotten away with a laptop.

      Thanks, Slashdot, for amplifying T-Mobile's limp-wristed PR move. Maybe they'll breate a breath for New Orleanians next!

    5. Re:Only 3 days?? by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That doesn't make any sense. Why would you only do it for 3 days and then "evaluate" whether you'll charge or not. Why in the world wouldn't you offer it for at least a week or two before evaluating?

      Why don't you think it makes sense to evaluate it after 3 days? That doesn't mean they'll turn it off or start charging money, it means they'll look at it to see what's going on - are people actually using the free service? If not, why not? If so, are they using it to communicate with loved ones, or downloading porn?

      Hopefully their review in 3 days will show that people are using the service the way it was intended, and they'll decide to continue the program.

      As others have pointed out, people need food and water... but T-Mobile doesn't have food and water on hand. They have this, so they're giving this.

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    6. Re:Only 3 days?? by TurdTapper · · Score: 2

      We are talking about tens of thousands of people at their 5 spots. If you think you can get tens of thousands of people through those spots in 5 days I'd be very interested to see how you plan to do that.

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    7. Re:Only 3 days?? by joeljkp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Like others have said, I can't see how this is going to do any good. Any little bit helps, I guess, but free Wi-Fi? 80% of Mississippi is out of power, last I heard. My parents are in Ridgeland (next to Jackson), and official word was that they won't get power at all until the 2nd. Does Starbucks have a Wi-fi generator or something? I can understand shipments of food, a rush of temporary cell phone towers, free pay-as-you-go phones for people in the area... but free Wi-Fi for 3 days in flooded areas with no power?

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    8. Re:Only 3 days?? by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How big of them.

      [rest of bitch whine moan... snipped]


      And what are you doing for the victims of Katrina?

      Just curious.

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    9. Re:Only 3 days?? by tachyonflow · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Um... there are already gazillions of free wi-fi hotspots that are free. Spammers don't have to wait for T-Mobile hotspots to become free. Besides, many hotspots (probably including T-Mobile) firewall port 25 for good measure.

      Free hotspots may not be common in most areas of rural southern MS, but chances are that any area yuppified enough to have a T-Mobile hotspot probably also has free hotspots nearby.

      In fact, just last night as I was walking around my neighborhood in Denver, I came across a freakin' laundromat advertising free wi-fi! I had to take a picture. :)

    10. Re:Only 3 days?? by vought · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, asshole, since you asked, I've given as much as I can afford to the Red Cross, and my mom and dad, both Baton Rouge residents (I lived in NEw Orleans for several years and I'm from Lousiana) are participating in the rescue effort.

      Sorry I can't make it, as I live here in California, but T-Mobile's "gesture" is more for the benefit of of their own PR than for any storm victims.

    11. Re:Only 3 days?? by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, asshole

      Priceless.

      You're mad at me because you didn't like someone criticizing you for not doing enough to help the victims of Katrina, when in fact you are doing something.

      Sound familiar?

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    12. Re:Only 3 days?? by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, we're mad at you for being a prick who thought he'd be smug and take the "what have you done" route, and it failed miserably.

      I love it. A bunch of true pricks get on slashdot and bitch about a company that is offering assistance, and anyone that calls them on it is called a prick. This thread just gets funnier and funnier the more I think about it.

      Wow, he donated what he could afford. So did I.

      Using his and your logic, let me ask, why didn't he max out his credit card to help even more? Take vacation from work and fly to LA to help? Drive to the corner hospital and donate blood? Why didn't his employer donate more money?

      The point is, T-Mobile is doing something. Why bitch about it?

      As if a company wouldn't go for cheap PR. Goodness, no, not those innocent corporate angels.

      This is beside the point entirely. Every company and person that publicly contributes money to an effort knows they will get good PR in return. So what? Does that diminish the net effect of their help?

      Only on Slashdot, luckily, where the real world is far, far away.

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  3. Whew! by Geekenstein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well that's good. What people without electricity, food, drinking water, and a roof over their heads really need is internet access!

    So, exactly how does someone without power get a computer working? Are they really that hard up for porn?

    Hey T-mo! Stop pushing your products and instead give something that could really help. Like phone service so people can call loved ones, or cold hard cash to help bring relief.

  4. Woo Hoo! by maccroz · · Score: 5, Funny

    We may not have a house, a vehicle, or any earthly posessions for that matter, but at least we have free WiFi with our frappuccino!

  5. Great, Free WIFI! by _DangerousDwarf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is just great, this is just what these people need. Free WIFI for a couple of days

    Actually this is a clever PR stunt by T-Mobile, it is not like anyone actually has electricity to use these hotspots.

    These victims need water, food, clothing and shelter. And of course money to rebuild, why not donate a couple days of revenue instead of free WIFI?

  6. Uhmm... by SpaFF · · Score: 2, Informative

    T-mobile does realize that there's no power, right?

    If they want to help, they can get more manpower working on the phone system. I evacuated from New Orleans to north Alabama, and my t-mobile phone service has been spotty at best. I haven't been able to make outgoing calls for the last 3 days and I've only been able to get a few incoming calls.

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  7. Ham radio by wumpus188 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Another option is to go meet your friendly neighbor ham radio op. I'm sure there is an emergency net operating right now.

    1. Re:Ham radio by wumpus188 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Adding to my post... Go here to search for ham radio operators in your area.

  8. In related news... by scovetta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Krispy Kreme is offering residents whose homes were destroyed a chance to win a free dozen donuts.

    Similarly, Pizza Hut is offering a Buy-1-Get-1-Free offer for anyone who lives in New Orleans (good until tomorrow morning).

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  9. Great.. VOIP by nostriluu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure this will help many people deal with the emergency by using the net to communicate.. an interesting side effect, since phone service isn't provided, is people will probably use more VOIP programs such as Skype, which are an alternative to T-Mobile's regular service..

  10. its like saying.. by dotpavan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fantasy World is giving free lapdances at their nearest location.. do they really need it at that hour? they could set up some more towers or join other mobile operators and provide a blanket coverage all over these states for greater accessibility (free roaming or so)

  11. OT: Good news by bersl2 · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:OT: Good news by tazanator · · Score: 2, Informative

      12:11 P.M. - Army Corps: Water has become level with the Lake in the city so no more water should flow into the city, except at high tide. okay it's seems better the way you said it...

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    2. Re:OT: Good news by tcopeland · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Water has become level with the Lake
      > in the city so no more water should flow
      > into the city, except at high tide.

      Yup, but looks like that's only because the water levels have equalized, not because the levee breaks have been plugged. Argh.

    3. Re:OT: Good news by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it eases the rebuilding of the levees, which is a prerequisite to pumping water out of the city.

      Building a barrier in standing water is a lot easier than building one in rushing water.

  12. Nextel by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2, Informative

    A coworker told me that he has been using Nextel to communicate with people in the area without any problems whatsoever. Not free, but he said it works.

  13. That's a surefire prescription for healing. by BYC(VCU.EDU) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's better than going to Six Flags. Free Admission to KATRINA Evacuees Over Labor Day Weekend http://www.sixflags.com/parks/astroworld/ParkPress /Katrina.html Hey! House under water? Everything you own destroyed? Come eat overpriced food, spend your last $80 and watch other people have fun!

  14. How about providing some real communications by major.morgan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While others are donating real money out of their personal pockets, T-Mobile is donating a couple of hundred dollars worth of Wi-Fi. How about handing out some of the cheap pre-paid phones with service. Or better yet, some communications centers with computers and phones that people can come and try to get a message out to their families.

    A couple of trucks with personnel, generators, multiple GPRS data connections, computers and a dozen cell phones - might cost $50-60,000 (being generous). Far less than one television ad with what's-her-name, and would actually be of some use to those in Louisiana.

    Oh yeah, bring some bottled water with you.

    1. Re:How about providing some real communications by angle_slam · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...after all, when fleeing a storm, the first thing you grab is your laptop and wifi card!

      Depends on how much advance notice you have. If you're house is on fire and you need to get just the important stuff, you get people out first, then pets, and probably don't worry about belongings.

      The people in the storm area had several hours to get out. Easily enough time to decide what to get. My laptop is certainly one of the items I would take. It's small, so it takes little room, and is tremendously valuable. Why wouldn't I take it?

  15. This is what t-mobile has by mcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    T-mobile does not have electricity, food, drinking water, or building materials. They could possibly buy such things, but it isn't what they have on hand. What they have is wireless communication services. They are a cell phone company. They are giving what they have.

    I'll agree that perhaps this isn't going to be the most realistically useful thing ever. But at least they are doing something.

    Yes, free cell phone service would have possibly been something that t-mobile has which would be even more useful, but there are practical barriers there. That is, most people don't have cell phones which you can just reassign to a different cell phone carrier at will, and even with phones with such features most people don't know how to use them. It seems likely either you're an existing t-mobile customer and can already use their network, or you're not easily going to be getting on their cell network anyway. Wifi may have a more limited utility than cell service, but there's fewer logistics involved in letting people use it.

    In the meantime, if you or anyone else reading this is really concerned with being productive, something easy to do to help would maybe be instead of complaining on slashdot, take the time in the next couple of days to donate blood

    1. Re:This is what t-mobile has by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Donate blood? Isn't that we were all encouraged to do after 9/11 and then something like 80% of it got dumped because there really wasn't a need for a sudden influx of 28 gazillion units of whole blood?

      If you really want to help, contact your local Red Cross or Salvation Army about how you can best make a donation.

      Oh, and you should donate blood every 56 days, all year round - not just when there is some major catastrophe.

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    2. Re:This is what t-mobile has by HalfStarted · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can ask at a local hospital for information about state or local blood banks. In NJ I donate through the Blood Center of New Jersey http://www.bloodnj.org/ Blood products donated through a local center will most likely be used locally though. Although this does not directly help anyone in the disaster areas, the fact that there is a disaster there does not mean that there are no longer patients in need near you. Save a life, donate blood.

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    3. Re:This is what t-mobile has by RapmasterT · · Score: 3, Informative
      Unfortunately I will not support the Red Cross in anyway. This includes giving blood. The Red Cross is one of the most poorly managed organizations in the country. They have horrible financial management and I will not in any way support them. Which brings me to another thought. Does anyone know of any other organization or way to donate blood other then through the American Red Cross?
      NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!

      That is either a malicious lie, an ignorant statement intended to make the poster look educated on some issue that he is obviously not, or a disturbed mind trying to get people not to help in a time of disaster.

      10 seconds with Google will pull up just about any charitable organizations overhead expense ratio, the American Red Cross is under 8%. That means 92% of every dollar donated goes to charitable uses.

      I am personally sickened that someone would level such an attack against one of the premier legitimate charitable organizations on the fucking planet!

      You sir, are an asshat.

    4. Re:This is what t-mobile has by ssstraub · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What about United Way? I've heard their CEO makes something like $400k a year.

    5. Re:This is what t-mobile has by RapmasterT · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I foudn this website that provides just that kind of info, you can search any charity name and see their financial data:

      http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/cont ent.view/catid/2/cpid/48.htm

      And yes, you are correct, the American United Way CEO does in fact make $400k a year. So does the American Red Cross CEO. However, the the CEO salary is 1% of the total United Way overhead expense, while only .01% of the Red Crosses.

      I'm not sure what difference that makes, but this website does rate the United Way much lower than the Red Cross on their scale.

      I don't know that it's fair to say that charitable organizations shouldn't compensate executive officers well. They are in charge of multi-gagillion dollar companies after all and if they're not paid a market level salary, they'll only be able to get below-market level quality people in the job.

      Personally, I rate charities based on how much of their annual expeditures goes to charitable uses, and how much goes to administrative overhead.

  16. Cingular Opens Free Calling Stations by digid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cingular Wireless has set up free emergency calling stations at its open company-owned retail stores across Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana to help the many individuals and families who are without power and phone service due to Hurricane Katrina.

    Free phone calls to friends and family anywhere in the United States can be made at Cingular stores during normal store hours. The calling stations are available to anyone who simply needs to use a phone.

    The company has also set up a free mobile calling station at the Cajundome in Lafayette where thousands of evacuees are being housed.

    All Cingular stores will offer free calls as they open.

    1. Re:Cingular Opens Free Calling Stations by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now THAT is disaster aid. Thank you Cingular, you're doing a great service to the community.

      T-Mobile, take a look at Cingular; they're putting you to shame. All people want to do is to tell their loved ones that they are alright. The Internet may have that capacity (if they can find their loved ones), but is a terrible medium in which to have to search, or email and hope. Phone calls will always be better in that respect.

      I'm glad to hear my phone company's doing some good for a change. Money well spent I hope.

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  17. Relief my a$$..... by DangerTenor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Relief is what you get when someone takes over for you.
    Relief is what you experience when you get something you badly needed.
    Relief is what you feel when your pain is removed or reduced.
    Getting free WIFI access in a few limited locations where there is no freaking power to charge a laptop (or probably even run the hotspot) is not relief, it is a PR move.

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  18. Re:Where's Apple.com and Amazon.com? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thanks for the informative and insightful post.

    But, "[Apple.com and Amazon.com] have a real opportunity to stem the relief effort tide now rather than later.

    If they don't stop the relief efforts now, no one will!

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  19. Useful corporate donations pouring in... by Humorously_Inept · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Office Depot: $1m
    BP: $1m cash + $/$ match of employee donations
    Capital One: $1m cash
    Anheuser-Busch: $250K cash + 875K cans of water
    Eli Lilly: $1m cash + $/$ match of employee donations + $1m in insulin
    Kellogg: $500k cash and food
    Home Depot: $1.5m cash
    Wal-Mart: $1m cash
    Exxon Mobil: $2m cash
    Amerada Hess: $1m cash + $/$ match of employee donations
    Chevron: $5m cash
    JP Morgan Chase: $1m cash + $/$ match of employee donations
    DuPont: $1m cash
    GM: $400k cash + vehicles
    Culligan: 5 semi trailers of water
    CVS: $250K cash + $254K in food and water

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    1. Re:Useful corporate donations pouring in... by n6mod · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anheuser-Busch: $250K cash + 875K cans of water

      Say what you like about their "beer", Anheuser-Busch has a long history of switching their closest functional production line to canning water, and delivering it *right now*.

      After the Loma Prieta earthquake, the Red Cross barely had the shelters opened when trucks from A-B started showing up.

      -Z

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    2. Re:Useful corporate donations pouring in... by Holi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which is amazing if you think about it, not only do they donate the most needed resource (potable water) immediately, they actually hurt their production to do it. It's amazing, a corporation that does the Right thing.

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    3. Re:Useful corporate donations pouring in... by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Funny

      Say what you like about their "beer", Anheuser-Busch has a long history of switching their closest functional production line to canning water, and delivering it *right now*.

      Are you sure they really switched anything in their production line?

      [Tastes budweiser.]

      [Tastes bottled water.]

      Hmmm...

      (JUST KIDDING!!!!)

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  20. Taco Bell Promotion by Skeezix · · Score: 5, Funny

    In related news, Taco Bell has announced that if the water level in New Orleans reaches a certain mark on their Taco Bell FloodMeter(tm), everyone in America wins a free taco.

  21. Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see all these people getting pissed at T-Mobile... it's understandable, yeah. I mean, their entire life just got blown to shit, no pun intended.

    But T-Mobile is not an energy company, or a grocery store chain, or Goodwill. They are a telecommunications company, and that's what they know. Just like I'm a geek. If I were a company, I'd be doing exactly the same thing: doing what I can to help out. I wouldn't be flying helicopters, I'd be setting up communications. I have a bunch of computer hardware, not medical supplies. I wouldn't expect Motorola to jump in with Insulin, or Apple to show up at the stadium with 9k people stuck inside with fresh food -- and if they did, I bet the same shout would come up. "It's all a big PR stunt."

    They're a company with a bunch of wireless access points in various cities. And now they're opening them up so you can email whoever and let them know you're okay (or look at pr0n, or troll Slashdot, or whatever).

    And you're complaining about it.

    I bet if their cellular network could handle it, they'd open that up, too.

    (FD: I'm a T-Mobile customer.)

  22. Free advertising by bill0755 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    While it is difficult to fault a company for offering assistance to disaster victims, I am tempted to risk my karma and point out that the real motivation is likely p/r and free advertising.

    Cell providers (like Sprint for one) and other companies have in place mechanisms for providing account credit to allow for cost-free service for any disaster situation. The difference is they don't require wide-spread recognition for their contribution.

    Okay, I said it. Open up the black clouds and clobber me with lightening (or high winds & rain?).

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  23. There are thousands dead.... by LanMan04 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...in New Orleans alone (now that they're finally giving an honest estimate, they say there are floating corpses all over).

    I'm not saying this is ANYWHERE near as bad as the 04 Tsunami, but it is pretty bad for America (where nothing ever goes wrong, right?), and it'll only get worse. Just wait for the intestinal diseases to start hitting these poor folks.

    I've made my Red Cross donation, I recommend you all do so as well.

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  24. Re:Logistics, management and coordination... by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can understand how you may be under that misconception, however Guard units are designed to be anywhere in the world within a matter of hours. Sorry if I sound like a know it all, but this is an issue that is near and dear to my heart...
    Check out a bit about our history in conflicts here: http://www.1800goguard.com/whatistheguard/whatis_h istory.html
    Try moving thousands of people, from a branch that was never designed to be mobile far beyond state borders Read a bit about our federal mission, if interested, here: http://www.arng.army.mil/about_us/protecting_our_w orld.asp
    then figure out which state national guards have experience/training with water rescue then coordinate the efforts of all of those remaining with no clear high level chain of command. This would take about 5 minutes. The Army is not inept, as is the common misconception. The commanders know exactly who is trained to do what...
    As far as leadership:
    (I'm pretty sure theres no General of the National Guard.)
    see this link for structure: http://www.arng.army.mil/about_us/organization/
    Director of the Army National Guard, Lieutenant General Clyde A. Vaughn
    Brigadier General Frank J. Grass Deputy Director of the Army National Guard, Brigadier General Frank J. Grass
    Colonel Matthew L. Murphy Chief of Staff of the Army National Guard, Colonel Matthew L. Murphy
    Command Chief Warrant Officer of the Army National Guard, Chief Warrant Officer Five Poyas Haynes
    Command Sergeant Major of the Army National Guard, Command Sgt. Maj. John D. Gipe Command Sergeant Major of the Army National Guard, Command Sgt. Maj. John D. Gipe
    http://www.arng.army.mil/Leaders/

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  25. Re:Speaking of which... by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are bodies floating all over the place in New Orleans... probably several thousand.

    While I doubt that a douchebag like you gives a shit, I suggest you sit and think about the impact that the utter destruction of a city of 1.5 million has on those people. Whether its 1,000 or 50,000 or 250,000 people, its a disaster of biblical proportions.

    Try setting your home on fire. See how minor of a problem it is to lose all of your possessions and your home.

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  26. Re:Logistics, management and coordination... by hetairoi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Logistics, management and coordination would be a nightmare.

    um, the National Guard is an organization designed with logistics, management and coordination in mind. National Guard units get deployed all over the world in fact. They are mobile and I'd say they likely have a very good idea of what units have the required training, as that would be critical tactical information.

    no clear high level chain of command. (I'm pretty sure theres no General of the National Guard.)

    The National Guard is part of the Army. They probably have the most structured chain of command in the world. You are right about not having a general though, he's just a Lt. General (Lieutenant General Clyde A. Vaughn

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