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Durable Laptop Suggestions for the Desert?

glarbl_blarbl asks: "My brother is assigned to the 82nd Airborne in the US Army. His last laptop was a Sony Vaio whose power jack and hard drive both failed after about three years, and it didn't see anything worse than a state college dorm. He has just been ordered back to Iraq, and as the family computer geek I have been trying to help him with some general advice - but I have no experience with laptops in exotic environments. Does anyone know which brands/models would be better suited for life in the desert?"

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  1. No matter what laptop you get.... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 2

    If it's mission critical and you might be stuck without spares, change out the hard drive every 2 years. They wear out.

    If it were me, I'd safely pack and carry a preloaded backup drive.

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  2. Ruggedized laptops by Bastian · · Score: 4, Informative

    The keyword you're looking for are "ruggedized." If he's going to be in a really dusty place, you might want to look into getting one that's envrionmentally sealed, but those aren't the best things because they generally have very low-power CPUs, rubber chiclet keyboards, and the like in order to get rid of all openings in the case.

    The only major consumer line I know of is Panasonic Toughbooks.

  3. Panasonic Toughbook. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Informative

    Panasonic Toughbook. At least that's what we send, but we're only Air Force. Though I have seen them bounce down the stairs from the flight deck to the cargo area of a C-17 a few times and work just fine. Seem to hold up to moderate grit as well.

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    1. Re:Panasonic Toughbook. by xyzzy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hands down, Toughbook, CF-73. Buried one in the dirt in Hawaii at a military exercise last summer, with a DVD. Played the DVD fine the next morning, AFTER DRAINING THE WATER OUT OF IT that accumulated from the dew overnight.

    2. Re:Panasonic Toughbook. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm in the US Marine Corps and we use the same thing. If a piece of gear can't be broken my a bunch of dumb jarheads, you know it's built to last.

    3. Re:Panasonic Toughbook. by biglig2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ditto. Did some training with an RAF guy, his toughbook looked like it ate ibooks and crapped ipod shuffles.

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  4. The MIL SPEC laptops by jmauro · · Score: 3, Informative

    These ones will take a lot of abuse. I use them in the California and Arizona deserts every so often without too much trouble.

    Itronix GoBook
    Panasonic Toughbook

    They are more expensive than your average notebooks but the extra costs means they take a beating from a baseball bat and still be fully functional. Also unlike some of the other types of MIL SPEC notebooks these actually look and function similar to a regular notebook.

    1. Re:The MIL SPEC laptops by HaydnH · · Score: 2, Funny

      From the Itronix site: "...as well professional "road warriors" whose notebook must *reliably* endure the tumultuous and often unpredictable conditions that come with using a notebook on the go." "Itronix recommends Windows® XP" Surely those 2 phrases should not be on the same page????

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  5. Look for dustproof design and heat tolerance. by Myself · · Score: 4, Informative

    The magazine Pen Computing has a nice lean towards ruggedized machines. You can always count on them for brutally honest, brutally violent reviews of the latest from Panasonic, Melard, Itronix, and whoever the latest challenger seems to be.

    The issue currently on the stands is the 2005 Buyers' Guide, which deserves a read. A few issues ago, they paid a visit to a durability testing lab. The photos of the shower stall, drop test, hinge exerciser, button pusher, and screen scratcher were hilarious.

    My personal go-everywhere machine is a Toughbook CF-M34. It's tiny, doesn't weigh much, and takes whatever I dish out. The other day I had it standing on top of my car when a gust of wind shoved it over the edge. A little chunk of metal was liberated from the hind corner when it hit the concrete, but the running apps didn't crash, and there was no cracking of the case beyond the ding. Thank goodness for padded hard drive mountings!

    The main concern you have with desert operation is dust. A washable keyboard will let you simply rinse the grit out from under the keys. Rubber port covers will keep gunk out of the PCMCIA slot, for instance, when it's not in use.

    There's an option in the BIOS of my '34 for "high-temperature operation". What it does is stop charging the battery when it reaches 80%, since operating a lithium-ion battery above its rated temperature is as simple as derating its maximum charge. Going to 100% at high temperature would significantly shorten the cycle life of the battery.

    1. Re:Look for dustproof design and heat tolerance. by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Gust of wind" you say.

      We all know you forgot it on top of the car when you drove away.

  6. Everyone is saying it... by BrianRaker · · Score: 3, Informative

    And I'll say it too. Panasonic ToughBooks are the way to go. Used to service these things for the US Army back at Fort Campbell and the top end units you could have a HMMWV run over it and it would survive: LCD OK, powered on OK and booted straight into the OS. Got a couple back from NTC at Fort Irwin (tank training, in the middle of the desert) and all but one came back unscathed. The one failure was due to a crappy LS-120 drive.

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  7. Exactly what is he going to do with it? by GrpA · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's the question you need to ask. Once answered, you will find the right hardware.

    Ruggedised stuff usually is not that cheap.

    Aside from ruggedised computers, as a general rule, Toshiba stuff usually stacks up pretty well, but even Toshiba's break things like plugs and drives pretty commonly.

    Aside from high strength, also consider small. Small size automatically improves structure (think inverse square law)... Half the size, means four times the structural strength... Although it's actually higher, because all you are really reducing is the form factor.

    I have a small 90's era Libretto that I carry around to play GO on, so it gets very harshly treated. But it's suitable for travel as well. PCMCIA adaptors are small, hard to break (if you get good ones) and cheap to replace if they do. It gets dragged around with me everywhere, and it's still working. And I don't really take care of it. But I can log on to networks, comprise emails, play go and serve files... It's great.

    Something similarly small, and perhaps second hand (newer palmtops often have overheating problems) makes a great PC with little weight or space taken up.

    But maybe a PC isn't the best choice? Perhaps a games box, eg, PSP or DS.... Or even a palm device?

    Again, the smaller, the easier to cart around, and the stronger.

    Finally, what are his friends carrying around? Something similar is often a good idea, even if it's not the best choice.

    Think of something to just get the job done. If it's just for a few years, consider something that will just last that long. Also field strippable can help (Seriously!).

    And keep in mind that in a year or so, he'll know what he wants. Better then to get you to send it to him, so whatever he leaves with might only need to last a year.

    Finally, keep in mind the operating system you choose. You want something he can fix himself, even if he needs to blow it all away, so being able to boot from a CD or USB you include and fix all might be a good idea too.

    Just some thoughts.

    GrpA

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    1. Re:Exactly what is he going to do with it? by fbjon · · Score: 2, Funny
      a small 90's era Libretto that I carry around to play GO on, so it gets very harshly treated

      Harshly treated? Well, I guess if you scratch the grid onto the lid and really smash those stones when placing them, you could get some harsh treatment by playing go.

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  8. No fans by strikethree · · Score: 5, Informative

    You will want a notebook that does not use any fans. I am in Iraq right now and the dust here is like an ultra-fine baby powder. It gets into EVERYTHING. If there are no fans, you will find less of this dust inside of your laptop. I have a Sharp Actius PC-MM20. It is awesome here. While other laptops have dropped dead from sucking in too much dust, my MM20 keeps rocking.

    strike

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  9. Fujitsu P1120 by jgartin · · Score: 3, Informative

    I used this notebook for 15 months in Iraq. It's small, easy to carry, and heat resistant. It doesn't have a DVD drive, though. The P2120 does--it's a very similar model. Both notebooks have a multivoltage power adapter--a very important feature for any notebook you're going to use overseas.

  10. ... or at least an ATA flash drive by deanpole · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If a ruggedized laptop is too expensive, and you try a disposable $1000 laptop, consider replacing the hard drive with a flash device. Besides eliminating most of the moving parts, it will reduce heat and increase battery life.

    Here is my first froogle hit but many others exist. Many modern laptops can boot from a cheaper USB flash device too, but an external gizmo may be undesirable.

  11. One with a warranty by zentu · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Seriously, He won't be moving his laptop. My buddy, Aaron, who went just got a $700 Laptop, He didn't move it from the Air conditioned Dorms the entire time he was there, They have no reason to do anything out side of the complex, so he doesn't need anything 'ruggigized' it is just an extreem waste of money. Spend the money on a backup drive (teach him how to use it, and not to leave it plugged in) and a warranty just in case. Preference is one of those no questions asked, break me in three years to make sure you get your *free* upgrade.

    Aaron had only one problem, he got a cheap referb, and 3 days after his 90 day warranty was up (and only like 10 days in the harsh environment), it died, the IDE controller died, and fried the HDD, there went all of his work on his book. So he went and bought another one, a $1000 Avaratech (that was twice the machine) but adding a $150 warranty upgrade.

    When his brother, Nathaniel, got told he was going 3 weeks after Aaron got the new one, to join his MI National Guard Unit that was already over there, we asked what he needed, and Aaron said, "Decent power, a charger (with internatinal just in case), and an ethernet jack, you won't be wireless or moving it. Period."

    When Nathaniel went he had no problems beyond the crap that was installed on the laptop when he bought it (a new model [cheap Toshiba with out wireless] from Ebay that had been gotten from BestBuy 2 weeks before school started that was cheap at the time [$650 after rebates] and gotten 1.5 months later for $700 with no rebates).

    Nathaniel has returned with no problems, exept now that he is on a college campus, he wants WiFi, and Aaron, who is still over there for another 4 months at least, has had no problems (beyond Adware and the ilk, even war doesn't get you away from that crap).

  12. Get a good warranty by austad · · Score: 3, Informative

    My buddy went to iraq and got an HP business laptop. 3 year warranty with next day parts. Although when he called them, they said it takes them a couple days to get parts to Iraq.

    Don't buy a crappy consumer model, order it from their website from the small or large business section to get what you need. Keyboards in the desert die every few months, and your cdrom won't last more than 2 months. Even if the thing is ruggedized, sand is still going to work its way in there and hose the thing.

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    1. Re:Get a good warranty by rev_sanchez · · Score: 2, Funny

      abacus: light on features but big on reliability

      I've seen them stay up and running for decades under very harsh conditions. There is no problem if you drop it in the water or sand. Replacement parts are cheap.

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  13. Going back with 101st Airborne myself by Digital+Dharma · · Score: 2, Informative

    And I will be taking an up-armored Panasonic Toughbook with me. We use them regularly in the field, and I've been impressed so far with their durability. I've seen them dropped, thrown, punched, kicked, pushed off tables, etc. No one can break stuff like we can ;)

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  14. He'll probably be driving/riding one, so... by signingis · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why not a HUMMER? :)

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  15. Just get 5 cheap ones instead by marcus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For the price of a Panasonic Toughbook, you could buy 5 or more cheapo laptops and just give them away as they start to come apart. Since he's not going to be working in truly hazardous conditions, ie dust only, he should be fine for months with any cheap LT and a vacuum cleaner.

    Besides, he'll have a ready made beowulf cluster and backup space!

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    1. Re:Just get 5 cheap ones instead by Grab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt your average squaddie has enough baggage allowance to carry 5 laptops.

      In a dusty, sandy environment, the most important thing *has* to be that it's sealed. If not, you can guaranteed that all the shit that gets inside it will kill the fans, CD/DVD and possibly hard drive in pretty short order.

      Plus a ruggedised laptop will be squaddie-proof - throw it across the room, drop your bags on it, throw it out of the truck or whatever, it'll survive. The same could not be said of any five regular laptops! :-/

      Grab.

      Grab.

  16. He wants something sealed. by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 2, Informative

    The computer doesn't really matter if you cover it right.

    Otherwise, I suggest a PowerBook. I beat someone with mine a couple of months ago and it still works fine.

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