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Hybrid Vehicle Conversion Services?

OverkillTASF asks: "My '94 I6 Jeep Grand Cherokee has once again eaten through a transmission... at 105k miles. For one reason or another, this has led me to the following question: Are there any companies/individuals out there who do hybrid vehicle conversions? I'd like to retrofit my Barbie Jeep with the necessary equipment to eek out 5 more MPG, be a little more environmentally friendly, but still allow me to get where I need to go out here in the sticks? Do such after-market conversion services exist?"

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  1. it's possible, but... by zogger · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...you'll need to do a lot of the DIY, perhaps just in the configuring. You can always sub out the actual work. You'll be retrofitting the entire drive train, plus adding space for batteries as well if you want any sort of at least minimum range before you are forced to use the fueled engine. What you are contemplating is a self propelled generator basically, with you along for the ride. That is in essence what a hybrid is.

    Here is a generic link to get you going

    http://www.evworld.com/

    As another poster pointed out, this is a fabulous new industry idea, some places are doing it, but it's still in the mom and pop shop stage most places, sort of like the original mom and pop whitebox shops back in the haydays of making decent money at it.

    pure electric conversion kits and links

    http://www.electroauto.com/

    Now what I think might be a useful idea, one already built at ACPropulsion, is to make the vehicle pure electric, and have the generator part that makes it a hybrid be in a tow behind trailer. Short range, run pure electric, extended range, tow the trailer.

    read about that and more info here, these guys know their stuff

    http://www.acpropulsion.com/ACP_FAQs/FAQ_products.

    good luck and do a blog on it, would like to see the project as it unfolds

  2. Re:No problemo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the words of Al Bundy, "I got him to cut another $100 off the price of the car. Why pay for seatbelts when you don't have brakes?"

  3. 40 mile commute? Go Electric! by RingDev · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's say you work over your truck to get 28mpg. You drive 40miles round trip every day to work. You driver to work 250 times a year. And for the moment, we'll put gas at $3.00.

    That means every year you spend $1072 on gas. $1429 per year when gas hit's $4

    Compared to a full electric. A (relatively) cheap conversion to a 9" DC motor and lead acid battery pack can easily pull a 40 mile range. And at about $8-12k it's about the same cost as a few year old decent used car. A DC system like this should run at about .4kWh per mile (AC can get as low as .18kWh)

    If we use the same standards (250 40mile round trips @ .4kWh/mile) and put electric at $0.10 (my last bill was $0.85/kWh). That means you're spending $400 a year on fuel. Now, with the 'el-cheapo' 6c deep cycle lead acid battery packs, you're only going to get 3-5 years out of them. So if we figure in blowing $1200 every 3 years, you're looking at $800/year in fuel. Even if electric jumps to $0.13 (a 33% jump like the gas jump $3 to $4) You're still only looking at $920/year

    28mpg Gas @ $3/gal = $1072
    .4kWh Electric @ $0.10/kWh = $800
    28mpg Gas @ $4/gal = $1429
    .4kWh Electric @ $0.13/kWh = $920


    -Rick

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    "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    1. Re:40 mile commute? Go Electric! by RingDev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      12k @ 3% is only $360/year. and that's not likely to grow.

      Gas is going to hit 4 dollars, and at that rate you will be saving over $500 a year.

      My situation is slightly different though. I drive a 2 seat compact sports car for my commute (20mpg). My wife is looking to swap out her aging compact suv with a Golf TDI (45mpg Diesel). I'm looking to convert my 2 seater to electric. Drops my yearly fuel cost from $1700+ to $800. And we would still have a high efficiency vehicle that doesn't depend on crude oil.

      Which brings up the next point. At some point in time, there will not be enough gas to go arround. US consumption is still growing, although not as rapidly as it had been. But China and India are exploading into their industrial revolutions and their oil consumption is skyrocketing. Going Electric saves you from the future where gas prices will surge, lines will form, and shortages will exist. Going diesel you can atleast run bio-diesel from veggie oil or soy beans.

      -Rick

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      "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    2. Re:40 mile commute? Go Electric! by arminw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ....You're still only looking at $920/year ....

      I just got a Toyota Prius hybrid which gets consistently at least 50mpg. For 10K miles and $3 gas that comes to $600. For $4 gas it would be $800 and the nice thing is that it'll go over 500 miles on a full tank. It is a really nice car for general running around in, but I'll still keep our old Ford diesel pickup for hauling things.

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      All theory is gray
  4. BioDiesel? by hahiss · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why not try biodiesel? If you're thinking about doing a serious conversion project anyway, I suspect that it might be easier to swap in a diesel engine and convert that to biodiesel than to go hybrid.

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    "Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." - H.L. Mencken
  5. TDI! by frn123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Buy a used small turbodiesel engine for it.

    1.9L diesel will have more than enough oomph (unless you're suffering from penis envy) and will move you around with insane mpg.

    Cheaper than hybrid. Cleaner than hybrid.

    1. Re:TDI! by nmos · · Score: 3, Informative

      First, many diesel cars get considerably better than 35mpg. If most of your driving is on the highway you'll get similar milage out of a hybrid as a diesel but in stop & go traffic the hybrid will win.

      Second, diesels tend to be cleaner than gasoline engines in terms of greenhouse gasses but dirtier in terms of particulates.

    2. Re:TDI! by Grab · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cheaper is *the* major factor. Hybrids are way expensive right now.

      Cleaner isn't really in there though. Diesels are bad for particulates, and currently there isn't anything forcing people to sort it (although future standards will do).

      The ultimate clean engine though would be a diesel-electric hybrid, because the diesel emissions happen at low-efficiency load sites. Run the engine at max efficiency, and you're sorted - this is why trains have been diesel-electric for years, because even with the conversion inefficiencies, the efficiency of diesel at its best point is mindblowing. But the American market won't buy diesel, sadly, due to the disastrous diesels rushed out in the 70s and 80s. Ho hum.

      Grab.