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Windows Vista To Come In 7 Flavors
Dionne writes "Microsoft is really milking it with this one: According to an Ars Technica report, there will be 7 versions of Windows Vista: Starter Edition, Home Basic Edition, Home Premium Edition, Professional Edition, Small
Business Edition, Enterprise Edition, and Ultimate Edition." From the article: "Windows Vista Ultimate Edition is a superset of both Vista Home Premium and Vista Pro Edition, so it includes all of the features of both of those product versions, plus adds Game Performance Tweaker with integrated gaming experiences, a Podcast creation utility (under consideration, may be cut from product), and online "Club" services (exclusive access to music, movies, services and preferred customer care) and other offerings (also under consideration, may be cut from product)."
You know, so that they can remain compatible with "windows" ? or is the new product a complete, linux based rewrite with the old front end?
Honestly folks, how many times has microsoft and its partners delivered a secure, clean and workable product?
Two of these three is ALWAYS missing:
Secure
Clean
Workable
Good Pricing
Value for money
But usually more than 2 missing. After my last "hunt" for drivers in windows XP and 2000, I don't even find them "well supported" anymore. But then again, I have exotic hardware, not a 499 + 500 dollar rebate PC from walmart.
~D
" What luck for rulers that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler
So much for the anti-Linux crowd saying there's far too many distro's...
Anyone know what the major differences are between the versions then? Will schools (which is where I make a living as a sysadmin) and businesses require Enterprise edition for networks or what?
I should RTFA, eh?
This is going to confuse the living daylights out of people, especially non-technical users.
Home users probably won't know what version they have, and that will complicate tech support calls of all types. It'll be difficult to help people calling for aide, regardless of whether they're calling Dell tech support or their nephew.
Developers will continually have to look up what features each system supports, and may very well just end up developing for the lowest common denominator in order to maximize support across all versions.
It was difficult enough trying to get average users to understand that Windows XP Home is different from Windows XP Professional. Hell, it's difficult enough to even remember all these names, let alone remember what features are different between each.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
As long as the average home user can get a cheaper version of their OS without the complex functions they won't ever need/use. But then I seem to be in the minority anyway, I have a legal version of XP and think the OS is a piece of software well worth paying for. Nice to see from the article that many of the features us geeks buy Pro edition of XP for are going to be included in the Premium Home edition of Vista, and that the "Pro" version is actually going to be aimed at business.
Am I the only one to think that this will be a nightmare for people in the support industry.
I'm already having a headache with 7 different editions of Windows 2003 Server and what limitations each one has. Now 7 desktop editions. Obviously they like the number 7.
Can't they just do like Apple and have 1 Client and 1 Server edition of the OS. Even RedHat has only 3 server editions and 1 desktop edition.
Nooo, MSFT has decided to milk us all the way with a product segmentation strategy. Well, I guess that they need all the money they can get with their revenues being stagnant in the past several years.
A hungry bear does not dance!
Ooo lets see... Educated Guess Time;
I predict that...
General people will buy the cheapest version that runs all applications. That version will be bundled with majority of the home computers. That will probably be the 'Basic' Home version. Don't expect it to be any cheaper than current Home Edition - MS has a monopoly, no reason to undercut in such situation. Premium crap will most likely be priced like today's Pro version, and will only sell to the crowd that today buys Media Center Edition.
If there are feature differences that matter to the applications (such as games or normal productivity apps) everyone will ignore crippled versions - bye bye starter ed. Dunno why MS can't figure this out.
Ultimate Edition will probably be sold to the Alienware/Dell XPS crowd that is too clueless. Rest will ignore the MS software clutter - especially since the ultimate edition has 'subscription' written all over it - the OS itself might work without one, but if it adds any downloadable extras, those will definitely want your personal information, and probably monthly fee sooner or later. I guess MS has gotten addicted to the mothly income it gathers from XBox Live subscribers. Someone has probably calculated how much they'd make if they could milk monthly fees from (some) Windows users as well.
As far as Warez goes - unless the 'Corporate Pro/Enterprise editions' are crippled in some way that matters to home user (lack of MCE features doesn't really qualify), that will be the version(s) that will make rounds - just like today. Additionally the 'Ultimate' version will be cracked to satisfy the 'Must have best version' crowd that previously cackled and downloaded warez versions of such gems as Win2003 Advanced Server for their home PCs so they could have the 'best' Windows. However, most won't want to bother with the extra bloat - or it will be ripped out of the Ultimate and plugged to a suitably modded Corporate version.
Just my 2 cents...
Why do you run your site on Linux?
Because they're not stupid zealots who has to use just 1 operative system to satisfy their ego? Because they're using a hosting company who runs linux?
Just to be on the safe side, everybody will buy the most expensive version they can afford. It's called "differential pricing".
Mac OS X
No, really. If Apple opens that up to all Wintel computer companies, it will rule them all. That is if they ever do.
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You only need 1 version of a desktop OS. Sure you may have *options* on top of that, but this is just marketing to make it sound more important and to suck even more money out of the consumer.
7? Sheesh.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Even if it does taste crap, 90% of the computer users will pirate it just to taste it.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
Backstory
I make my living as a software architect for a large national corporation using the Win32 platform. I've got over 15 years coding & design experience.
I started out with Borland products, but slowly migrated to MS products due to the following factors:
1) Tools were built by the makers of the OS
2) API Documentation
3) Microsoft's desire to support the development community
4) OS stability - Laugh if you like, but at the time there wasn't much else to run on an 8088.
Screw The Developers
Recently, Microsoft has decided that the development community needed more "options" - In other words, let's screw all of the MSDN Universal holders into "Upgrading" to a new type of subscription - Therefore changing the concept of "Universal" to mean "Kinda sorta, but not really". You no longer can get "EVERYTHING" any more.
Screw The Consumer
Next - They're moving on to Vista (what a STUPID name) with 7 different flavors. They are "creating" a compositing desktop using the graphics hardware and touting it as the next "New Thing(tm)". Instead of using a bitmapped desktop, they've gone to this "new innovation". Uh - Mac OSX has done this since day 1. Nothing new here.
Along with "Vista", they are incorporating many "new" things - Security concepts that are really just hacks on top of a horrible idea.
Fundamentally, Microsoft has refused to accept that they themselves perpetuate the security problems they currently have. Most Win32 developers have been bottle fed to accept that the local user has admin rights. They code everything with this assumption. Because of this, Microsoft has had a VERY difficult time securing the desktop. Microsoft has no choice but to try and design around a problem of their own creation.
Fact is you cannot secure a machine where there is, effectively, no security. I say "effectively" because if all users have all rights, then where is the security?
Combine the Two Above - Rinse/Wash/Repeat
This long diatribe is really to sum up that Microsoft has ignored the problems for so long, and is not even prepared to address them with the development community. Even their latest development "security" attempts are too little too late for such an egregious flaw.
And now, to top it off, they're going to attempt to baffle the world with bullshit by releasing 7 versions of an OS - What a fantastically stupid idea.
The downward spiral started many years ago, and will end with people like me leaving the platform for something that truly performs - For something not built on technical quicksand.
(BTW - I type this from my G5 Mac in my home where the last remaining PC is serving as print server and remote desktop to host VS.NET so that I can work at home - They're are now 4 other Macs in the house)
My God... When will the Slashdot crowd finally stop bashing MS products and Windows in particular? Yes, I completely agree, Win95/98/Me absolutely sucked, we know it by now, get over it already; Win2K/XP are way more stable; I haven't had a BSoD on WinXP for over two years (at least) and I'm using around 5 PC's with WinXP installed. Don't like the OS? Fine, but don't use every chance you get to level it; it's becoming old, tiresome, and annoying. If Linux were such a great alternative, I could definitely understand your rants, but it has quite a lot of flaws itself when put forward as an easy-to-install, easy-to-use desktop OS (you know, the thing people out there are actually interested in). Flamebait? Trolling? Maybe, but so is the zillionth "M$ sucks" post...
does ANYONE think this is a good idea?
Yes, since you ask. Microsoft, for example.
the ipod + itunes combo is an outstanding example of how simplicity, reliability, and having a complete system can win over consumers even if the device is overpriced at times, and if other MP3 players have more features.
It's also a perfect example of how having a complete range, covering a wide variety of price points and feature sets, is not actually a bad thing.
"I'd like an iPod, please."
"Certainly, sir, would that be a 20 GB iPod, a 60 GB iPod, a 2 GB iPod Nano, a 4 GB iPod Nano, a 512 MB iPod Shuffle, a 1 GB iPod Shuffle, or we have some special editions over there and some old stock including various iPod Minis over there..."
In fact, all in all there are probably several times as many different variations on the iPod as there will be on Windows Vista. So, uh, what was your point again?
...has been taking lessons from someone else who produces badly-conceived products.
Lest you think I'm trolling, I have a legitimate question: Why must there be so much stratification?
Guy Kawasaki was fond of using the analogy of sailors and passengers aboard a ship: "A passenger gets on a ship, plays shuffleboard, and eats at the captain's table. A sailor weighs the anchor, goes into the engine room, and gets grease under his fingernails." He said that a product that was deep, indulgent, complete, and elegant could appeal to both kinds of users.
What we have here isn't any of these things. Instead, it's what a marketer sees as a way to "add value" and provide "choice" and ultimately increase revenues, but what it will really produce is confusion, because no one is going to be really sure which of Microsoft's offerings will suit them best.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, write technology blogs.
"Good companies have shown us time and time again, too many options confuse people and make them pissed off."
Yeah, Baskin Robbins and Campbell's soup really have a hard time.
Oh, wait you are making shit up
It all comes down to knowing what you're doing. If you know how to work around Windows' stupidity (Hey, I have a driver right in this folder... just fucking let me select it) then I guess Windows is fine. After you've loaded Anti-Virus that is. And a new web browser. And some anti-spyware software. And a firewall.
Now that 60% of your memory is used up, you can start thinking about which $500 applications you want. A word processor and spreadsheet maybe? $500. Maybe some photo editing software? $700. You get my point. Easy to use out of the box, sure. That's because it can't do anything out of the box... and you've already spent $150 on it!
I personally will stick with Linux which has no box and a new piece of software is just an apt-get away.
Even if you manage to do everything you want to do with free software under Windows, you still have to go out and find it every damn time you re-install. And you have to keep it up to date yourself, there's nothing that automates that. Easy to use indeed.
My other car is first.
I am sure they will have some tools to make activation easier, however, this will still make Linux look even better in the corporate world. People bitch about the sheer volume of Linux distros, but this puts that to shame. At least when you look at the different Linux distros, there are real differences in each, even if the core is the same.
7 different Windows has GOT to cause some confusion in the marketplace. This is another example of something that may look good on paper, but in reality, isn't. This will lead to people buying "the wrong" Windows, and being told they have to upgrade via a retail product from #4 to #3, for only $179, to use some software or feature. This WILL lead to some people seeking alternatives.
Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
"Microsoft has removed most of the features that most pirates would want from those OSes. You won't see corporate licensing versions of Ultimate Edition."
... nice has a different definition.
I think they were refering to stability, since DVD authoring/ripping or any other "feature" can easily be done 3rd party. Granted it would be nice to have a stable OS that can natively rip DVD's however once you look at the pricetag
It's also been my experience that "pirates" take what they can get and are more interested in distributing than actually using the software they pirate. It's also more of the thrill to have something illegal than what the capabilities are. How many pirates do you know that distribute FreeBSD?
I think it would be nice that Windows could readily run 400+ days uptime like some of their Unix based competitors that are free. Instead one pays $1000+ US for Windows Server farming abilities (again can be done for free). I've lost count how many "Windows Preachers" I've told "*nix can do that to and it's free". Why not ditch windows and give that $1000+ to a *nix programmer. You get exactlly what you want and do something about the worlds unemployment rate at the same time.
Have you ever interacted with real, living people? There are plenty of pro-windows people who don't work for microsoft, and know what they are doing. Yes, they ocassionally bitch about a BSOD, but then I've been known to bitch about X locking up, or having to relaunch the finder. Doesn't mean they don't like Windows. Some people really do. Its not some giant MS conspiracy.
Why not fork?
It is a bald faced lie to say linux is hard to install.
Linux is hard to install on my computers.
Take my first home-built system, please: a 1.8GHz Celeron, 512MB RAM, onboard video, AGP GeForce4, Sound Blaster 5.1, using that wonderfully user-friendly, easy-to-install Ubuntu (4 or 5, same results):
On first boot, it defaults to displaying on the onboard video, giving a blank screen if the monitor is plugged into the GeForce4, even if the onboard video is disabled in the BIOS. It can be fixed, and it's not difficult if you already know how to reconfigure the X server.
On first boot, my nVIDIA card doesn't have the proper drivers installed. It certainly isn't difficult, but it requires a driver install, then a restart of the X server.
On first boot, my wireless card isn't properly detected. It can be fixed, and it's not difficult if you already know how to install and use Windows wireless drivers, and yours happens to be supported (in my case, not yet).
On first boot, my Sound Blaster 5.1 isn't detected as a sound card. It can be fixed, and it's not difficult if you already know how to recompile the kernel.
When installing Windows 2000, yes, I have to install drivers. The process for that: Double click, maybe reboot. You don't have to know a damn thing to do that. It is easier to install Windows 2000 on my computer; Linux is comparatively hard to install.
Note that I'm not saying that this is true for all computers, but it is true for my computer, and it disproves your assertion that it is a bald faced lie to say linux is hard to install.
I just said it, and it's true for me. Therefore, it's not a lie. If I'm a computer user who has a video card AND onboard video, and I try to install Ubuntu and get a black screen on first boot, yes, Linux is a bitch to install. If I'm a computer user who doesn't know how to recompile a Linux kernel to support specific, unsupported hardware, yes, Linux is a huge bitch to get to work. And if you don't have a wireless card that your distro of Linux natively supports, it can be a bitch to get it to work.
On my Dell? ATI video card drivers are bitchy. On my last homebuilt system? Sound is again a bitch to set up. The only computer I own on which Linux has never been difficult to install is my G3 iMac.
Many of those things aren't Linux's fault - hardware vendors are stupid, I know - but being faultless doesn't make it easier to install on some systems.
Unless you only mean that it's not difficult to get Linux to boot from the hard drive of a computer - and even then, there are problems that, for some, would make it hard to do - then no, for the most part and for many people it's not hard. But to say that "it is a bald faced lie to say linux is hard to install" just makes those who can't, for legitimate reasons, easily install it feel stupid.
I think they were refering to stability, since DVD authoring/ripping or any other "feature" can easily be done 3rd party.
I thought about that, and then I realized something. I can also use those 3rd party apps on XP. Plus it doesn't have all that pesky DRM. I'll stick with what I've got.