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Canada's Do-Not-Hesitate-To-Call List
An anonymous reader writes "The creation of a do-not-call list in Canada has run into
trouble. Michael Geist reports that the proposal has been effectively destroyed, with exceptions for just about every telemarketer including businesses, political parties, polling companies, and charities. The government committee apparently heard from the marketers but refused to listen to consumer groups."
...to test out the anti-telemarketing counterscript ;-)
People say I'm crazy, I got diamonds on the soles of my shoes...
I would like to thank Canada for creating a place where a lonely person like me can go to have constant human contact via phone calls. I will now be able to live a much fuller life if I move to Canada.
The subject says it all. It could also be a solution: /. the telemarketers
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I'm moving to the U.S.!
With pre-emptive slashdotting, the target website is obliterated BEFORE any slashdotter has any chance of seeing it!
In the U.S., the Do Not Call Registry was about as effective as well. The bosses signed up our business phone lines and nothing has really changed. We still get on average of 20-50 solicitation calls a day.
That doesn't sound like much, but for a small mom-n-pop ISP run by 4 guys and a dog with 2 phone lines, it's awful. Fwiw, we're all pretty good at screening calls via Caller ID.
Good luck to our fellow Canadian brethren, whether they've disowned us or not.
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Canada is a capitalist nation, just like most modern nations. Just because you live in Canada doesn't exempt you from having your "rights" and concerns over-ridden with the more important rights and concerns of revenue making, tax-paying, politician lobbying private industries.
That's our Canadian government - always looking out for the little guys. Those much maligned mega marketers, the poorly pictured political parties and poll promulgators, the little lobbyests languishing in the face of previously proposed changes to our country's telecommunications laws.
What ever were we thinking in our attempts to wrest the right to remain "unlisted" and "untapped"?
How dare we expect to have the right to not be disturbed in the midst of our daily ablutions by the ring-ring-ringing of the telephone?
I am (almost) at a loss for words, but I'm certain that if I wait a bit, someone new will call me and try to sell me their own.
Sadly it appears that my government is no longer similar to the American's "of the people, by the people, for the people", but "to the people".
just do what I did, and get cell plan where you get refund for received calls.
I've almost paid my last months phone bill, just by talking with telemarketers.
You can easily keep them talking for about 30 minutes by asking everything about the product they're selling.
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You've almost got the correct solution. I'm convinced that the "real" correct solution is to maximize the amount of time a telemarketer has to spend on the phone with you without a successful sale.
The trivial method of doing this is straightforward, you get them into their selling mode, and then very quietly set the phone down. They'll talk for maybe 5-10 minutes before realizing that there's no one on the other end of the phone. After 15 minutes (or when you hear the annoying "phone off the hook" tone), come back and hang up.
The slightly more effective method would be to record a sample of yourself saying (at 10-15 second intervals) "OOOoooh... Aaaaaahhh.. That sounds really cool.... Yes, please, tell me more..." You want the recorded loop to be ~5 minutes long to try to make the tape last longer during the phone call... People are pretty good at picking up patterns, so the longer the loop, the longer you can keep the solicitor on the phone. There is a slight improvement possible on this method whereby you record the samples individually and then use winamp to randomize the playback. That oughta be good for at least 20-30 minutes of telemarketer time.
But the optimal solution is clearly to write an AI application that leads the telemarketer down the longest possible path through their script, and possibly loops them through it from time to time. Ideally, the application would even recognize call waiting and would ask the marketer to "hold on" while it clicked over and allowed you to speak with the person on the other line. It would need to analyze what they're saying and then say "no" at appropriate times to keep the marketer on the phone for as long as possible. I imagine with such an application, you could probably keep a marketer on the phone for 2-3 hours, if not more!
As soon as I'm done writing this app, I'll be happy to sell it to you for a mere $19.95. Just send me your telephone number so I can call you and....
I currently have no clever signature witicism to add here.
AC is right. Business numbers can be placed on the list, but they are not enforceable.
Also, I bet that as an ISP, you deal with companies who are affiliated with other companies, and can try to use the loophole for existing business relationships -- if they have any sort of business relationship to you, or you've ever called or contacted them, then they can market to you unless you explicitly tell them to only call you on existing business.
Procrastination -- because good things come to those who wait.
Don't answer your phone... Mine has been on an answering machine since about 1980. We talk to each other by leaving messages on each other's machines. Keeps the phone bill down too.
Oh well, what the hell...
I'm sorry, but you obviously didn't read the article. These are the OPPOSITION's amendments (the opposition being your beloved CONSERVATIVES) who want to protect their buddies in big business.
The government (i.e. liberal) amendment is to allow the person with the telephone number to say they want to exempt charities when they put themselves on the list. That's more reasonable, obviously.
Don't bother putting your foot in your mouth. We forgive you for your ignorance. You're obviously practicing to be an American.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
From someone who has had the nerve, it tends to work even Better if your both men :
.. sure I guess .. "
Telemarketer: "I was wondering if I could ask you a few questions?"
Me: "May I ask you one question first ?"
TM: "Umm
Me: (Deep breathy kind of voice) "What are you wearing right now. I mean, is it sexy ?"
TM: "Umm"
Me: "Lacey ? Leather ? What, common now, don't hold back."
TM "Thank-you sir, I hope you have a good day."
*click*
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No one needs any form of regulation from government at any level as they all create favoritism and don't fix any problem. Even pollution regulations are better controlled by the free market. Heavy polluters get blasted by watchdog groups, cleaner emitters get praised and consumers make the decision who succeeds and who fails.
That has to be the dumbest thing I have read all day. It is no wonder it got modded to +4 insightful.
Companies exist to make money. That is their sole responsibilty. In the vast majority of cases a PR problem will not affect them as much as the increased cost of doing business associated with not polluting. If you think a company won't exchance birth defects in 1000 children for a $2,000,000 increase in profits you are kidding yourself. You are also ignoring history. Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.
I've got a feeling that you aren't too worried though. You can afford to move away from the parts of America where birth defects are staggeringly common. Assuming that you earned your wealth rather than inheriting it (though I'm positive your parents were at least well off) you know better than to believe the drivel you are spuing.
Your selfishness and greed astound me.
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The problem faced by Canada and/or the USA is indicative of a more general (and therefore more difficult to solve) problem.
When a telemarketer calls you from your own country, both parties are governed by the same laws, however, many of those laws are ineffective when the caller and recipient are in different countries.
With cheap telecommunications international telemarketing is becoming more common, and consumer protection is beginning to suffer.
Take, for example, the recent spate of calls that have originated in Florida, and targetted North-West Europe. Each of these European countries has a national do-not-call list, yet international telemarketers are ignoring these lists, believing themselves to be untouchable.
It's become so bad that "the Consumer Ombudsmen from the Nordic Countries of Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Iceland have contacted the US Federal Trade Commission and cited concerns over some international business practices" [1][2]
The letter itself cites concerns over both telemarketing and general internet marketing, and illustrates that once national boundaries are crossed, the temptation to increase sales (possibly by misrpresenting the goods that are being sold) may be more than some telemarketers (or telemarketing company managers) can bear.
What is needed is a global agreement on Do-Not-Call lists. Without such an agreement, national lists will be entirely irrelevant as each company conscientiously respects it's own citizens whilst mercilessly telespamming the rest of the world.
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