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Dvorak on Microsoft Confusing the Market

DigitalDame2 writes "With news of there being 7 Vista editions, PC Magazine Columnist John C. Dvorak takes a hilarious spin on the different Vistas with some recommendations of his own. How about the Vista Porn Edition? All the great porn sites would be pre-bookmarked. Gamer Case-Mod Edition? It can be ultraoptimized for games with a blinking hard-drive light. You can even go as far as the Microsoft Vista for Costco Customers: the Cheaper Edition."

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  1. More of the Same by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesnt seam to me that all these different versions are much different than what has been done in the past. I just helped my girlfriend buy a laptop online, and she had the choice between XP Home, Media, and Professional. And that doesnt start to cover any of the current server operating systems.

    If Microsoft is doing anything confusing with Vista, they have been doing the same thing with XP and Windows Server for years.

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  2. XP by DeathFlame · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many versions of XP are there? Aren't there already like 7 versions?

    Why does it matter how many versions there are?

    I thought having more choice was good rather than having some sort of be all end all version that takes extra time/space to install for features that most will never use.

  3. Cars by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When people step into a ford dealership to buy a car - I suppose they get all confused on what all the models are.

    "So why is the f-150 bigger than that escort? Aren't they both Fords?"

    "Do they all have 4 wheels or more?"

    "Whaddya mean I get get it in diesal or Gas or Hybrid"?

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    1. Re:Cars by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, say you started asking about the differences between cars, and the dealer said, "Well, the F150-Xtreme is basically the same as the F150-Standard, except that we take this little rubber band off the fuel intake so that you get maximum horsepower. The F150-Standard is a better deal than the F150-Minimus because the Minimus has a nine hundred pound lead weight in the bed to keep you from accelerating quickly. Now, you'll probably want to splurge and get the air conditioning. It's installed on every car on the lot, but if you don't give us $500, we poke a hole in the casing to let the freon out."

      Once again, physical items and data have completely different economics.

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  4. Let's see the spin on this one... by daniil · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let's see: Countless Linux distros = good, as it gives you the liberty to choose between many distros. But different versions* of Windows Vista = bad, as it's confusing???

    What am I not getting here?

    * How about Vista Dvorak edition, automatically spouting bullshit every few days?

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    1. Re:Let's see the spin on this one... by chris462 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd have to disagree with you here.

      One of Linux's biggest barriers to the consumer desktop market, IMO, is its absurd level of fragmentation. There are more than half a dozen "major" distros and an impossibly large number of "minor" distros. How the hell do you just pick one and use it?

      Then you've got nutcases like Stallman and his war on semantics and ESR and his general dumbass tendencies weighing down the entire community.

      Dvorak tends to be a bit off the wall, but he's right. MS really needs to take a(nother) note from Apple here and realize they only need one flavor of OS. There's nothing wrong with a "server" version, but consumers don't need seven different choices for a standard OS.

      There's enough trouble these days with XP Home, XP Pro, XP 64-bit, and XP Media Center. Adding more variants to the mix just sounds like suicide to me.

    2. Re:Let's see the spin on this one... by aramael · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What am I not getting here?

      I have never seen a distribution that restricts you to three simultaneously running applications. Nor a special Linux that only allows two users at a time to connect remotely.

      The differences between Linux distributions seem to be about empowering the user; the Windows ones seem to be trying to find a price point.

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    3. Re:Let's see the spin on this one... by mystik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      countless linux distro's each seem to have their own ideologies (see Suse/RedHat/Gentoo/etc, packaging)

      These Windows 'distributions' are the same ideology, but just w/ features added or removed, to force users to choose and pay for the features they think are important to them.

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    4. Re:Let's see the spin on this one... by Cyno · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me help you.

      How many versions of RedHat Linux are available? Counting back to day one, I'm sure we can put together a list of something like 50. But today, there are only 3 versions available for commercial support and use. Workstation, Server and Advanced Server.

      How many SuSE editions are available? Same thing.

      How many Slackware versions are available? One. Slackware just has its single distro. It updates it every year or so, but its just one distro.

      How many Debian Linux distros? Stable, unstable and developement? So like 3. Sure, they're available for every architecture they can support, but there are only 3.

      The problem people seem to have with Linux isn't the choice between distros, its understanding that Linux comes from MANY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.

      Microsoft is one corporation. And in this case they're still behaving like a monopoly.

      What people want is for them to fix their bugs, fix their security problems, which are design, not implementation problems. Fix their incompatibility issues with not supporting open document formats by default. Fix their web standards compliance.

      They are the largest and most wealthy computer business on the planet but they can't afford to make their web browser compete with Firefox? Mozilla is a non-profit organization.

      And then this. They offer what, 3 additional choices from their code base, instead of including all the features they touted 3 years ago and all the requested features EVERYONE has been asking for.

      And then appologists like you go off and complain how Linux has millions of distros so we shouldn't pick on Microsoft's behavior.

      This has nothing to do with choice, it has to do with technical merit. If they were fixing their broken stuff or offering something of value, such as a gaming edition that costs $50 for people like me who only use their crappy software to play games, then we wouldn't bitch so loudly.

    5. Re:Let's see the spin on this one... by at_slashdot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At least with Linux (in most cases) you don't have to pay to try a distro.

      Another difference is that all distro maintainers try to give you everything they can, while Microsoft tries to restrict you and to make you pay more for different "features" -- that's the main difference and if you don't get it I'm sorry there's no hope for you.

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  5. No such thing by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An excellent description of all the various flavors of Vista and their respective features and intended niches can be found here.

    Do you mean all of the beta versions that 3rd parties are guessing will exist, or did they actually go into the future to get this information?

    As of this point, "Vista" is still very much in early Beta. It hasn't been released to the public as a finished product, and hasn't come anywhere near being finalized, I'm sure. What's the point of punditizing something that doesn't even exist, and will probably still change substantially between it's current beta and final release? That's like critiquing next year's pop bands today.

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  6. Surely people aren't that stupid... by LexNaturalis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely people aren't so stupid as to be confused by 7 different types of Windows Vista. If someone had done a similar article about the number of Linux distros out there, would it have been posted on the front page of slashdot? Sure, Microsoft is a power-hungry greedy company convicted of monopolistic activities, but this is going a bit far.

    I hereby propose some legitimate reasons to bash Microsoft:
    1) They refuse to play nice with Open Source developers.
    2) They actively seek to destroy any competition, regardless of whether the competition is actually helping the computer community or not.
    3) They are promoting legislation that will change patent law from "first to invent" to "first to file."

    Those are all (I think) legitimate complaints against Microsoft. Calling Microsoft "nutty" for releasing 7 versions of an OS is rather stupid and petty. I have no doubt that the average person can simply read a chart that has little checks next to "features" and decide which of the 7 they want. This will actually help people, I think, because it will prevent people from getting extraneous software that might increase their risk of attack.

    People often complain about Microsoft bundling too many things in their OS and how there's a lack of flexibility, and now they complain because Microsoft is "too" flexible and might "confuse" the poor ignorant user who is incapable of choosing between 7 different forms of Vista.

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  7. Re:Ain't it funny? by Scuff · · Score: 4, Insightful
    After years of fragmented Windows versions they finally made the one true merged OS that they had been praising for so long. Windows 2000 was really one OS to rule them all.


    and would that "true merged OS be windows 2000 Professional, Server, Advanced Server, or Datacenter Server?
  8. Trying too hard to be funny. by fahrvergnugen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it just me, or is Dvorak sub-par when compared to most of the other bloggers out there cracking wise about tech issues?

    He was so much more interesting before there was Livejournal.

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  9. Just because it is anti-MS.... by GeorgeMcBay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because it is anti-Microsoft doesn't make it funny. I mean... that article just isn't funny. At all. Seriously.

  10. Uhh by MrCopilot · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Not funny Haha, funny hmmm.

    eg... Thats funny, this article wasn't even mildy amusing.

    On a side note, Now I have 9 different Windows OS, 10 Office Suites, not to buy.

    Many Linux Distros = Good
    You miss the point entirely.
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  11. Windows Vista Mental Enhancement Edition by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Possible themes: Dyslexia - word processors jumble words instead of correcting them Tourrets - random errors and popups containing obscenities ADD - programs constantly lose/change focus

  12. God by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will the bias and double standards against Microsoft ever stop?

    While I am no fan of MS, I get tired of the constant default criticisms aimed at MS everytime they do something.

    First, look at how many versions of XP MS was forced to implement.

    While MS started off with an ideal Home and Pro versions, then the OEM Media Center and Tablet Edition, they were forced by governments and the European Union to implement a stripped down version (N) version for both Home and Pro, as well as pretty much been forced to implement a stripped down version of XP for developing countries. This means there are 8 versions of XP around.

    Mostly this was FORCED on MS by governments and consumer backlash.

    So, MS takes the initiative to try and please ALL the special interest groups and take a pre-emptive stike against future government hassles by offering a range of products that MS are ALREADY FORCED to impelement in XP. The difference is the MS is doing this WILLINGLY!

    Also, confusing the market? Every try and pick out a Linux distro? 30+ versions, multiple GUI interfaces, which Kernel to run, 2.4 or 2.6 and which subversion is stable or powerful. Countless number of GNU shareware plauging Linux with cryptic names starting with G? If MS is confusing end users, then what hope does Linux ever have of becoming a mainstream OS.

    If anyone will shine above all this will be Apple. With there limited choice in hardware and 2 flavours of OSX (Server and Not Server), if anyone is confused by MS and Linux, then they will flock to the Apple platform.

    Hey, I think it is dumb that there needs to be 7 versions of an OS, but the EU and consumers pretty much brought this on themselves with all the countless numbers of lawsuits and government pressure. Microsoft is just giving you what you want!

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  13. Re:Good informative link by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmm.. I don't know why thy don't simply offer the extra features as feature packs. Well, ok, I do know. People are much more likely to buy "the best" version of anything they buy, and a lot less likely to buy "add-ons".

    It's strange, they'll ask themselves "Why do I need that?" for an add-on, but will think "What won't I get if I buy the lower level edition?" of the main product.

    Microsoft must have a whole team of psychologists out there.