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Promoting Telecommuting During the Gas Dearth?

Oren F. asks: "The President of AeroAstro, Inc., a small aerospace company, has begun promoting his employees to conserve gasoline during these times of high prices by telecommuting to work each day from their homes at least once a week. How is your company responding to the current situation?"

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  1. It's petrol, not gas... by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's no shortage of gas - especially with all the sheep in New Zealand.

  2. Let me bring to your attention.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..this neat conversion company!

    Let's hope there will be more of them soon..

  3. High! by genzil · · Score: 2

    High prices! Sheesh. You should look at the price we pay in the UK (and have done for a while now).

    How about everybody stop complaining about the high prices and start looking at ways of saving the environment instead. It will work out cheaper in the long run.

    1. Re:High! by gallen1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Prices in the UK aren't high because of economics. They're high because an unreasonably high percentage (up to 75%) of the total price comes from taxes.

    2. Re:High! by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Insightful
      More interestingly, if those in the UK and EU didn't have to pay the taxes they do today, I'd wager US prices would be even higher too.

      I've wondered for a while if this, ultimately, despite being counter-intuitive, would do more to counter CO2 emissions than continuing to have higher taxes? If it became unaffordable in the US for people to go to work, would the world's largest economy suddenly find it economic to develop alternatives that, over time, would become so much more efficient than gas-based vehicles, they'd take over completely?

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    3. Re:High! by Burb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The taxation rate in the UK is indeed high, but I am amused at the implication in your post that taxes have nothing to do with economics.

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    4. Re:High! by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interestingly enough, the UK is also one of the few western countries that did not get affected by economic trouble in recent years.

  4. Our company has a more traditional approach by mikeage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Forget it"

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    1. Re:Our company has a more traditional approach by madhippy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i believe our company is even more traditional .... senior management get to work from home - no one else.

    2. Re:Our company has a more traditional approach by jpostel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At the inbred company I worked for up to last week, the CEO bought the COO (his wife) a brand new MB S500. Lovely car, but that does not look too cool when they are laying people off at headquarters the day he's showing off the new car to the execs.

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  5. They send us home without pay. by Associate · · Score: 2

    Then expect us to make up the difference in the shorter ammount of time we are at work.

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  6. Maybe I won't be so productive by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would love to work at home, but my boss prefers to have me in the office. If I'm home there's no way he check if I'm playing a game or something and I guess they prefer to see me slack at the office, since I don't have much to do anyway...
    If I would have a lot of work to do I might actually not want to be doing that at home anyway. I've done that before and I know I have a way of not getting out of my chair until something is finished which tends to shift my eating/sleeping pattern etc.

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  7. Use a bike by GreatDrok · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been cycling to work for the last three months and it has been great. Some days I have to use public transport if the weather is really nasty but I am averaging about 80% of my travel by bicycle. Lots of health benefits, zero emissions, very cheap to run. I cover 12 miles per day, some hills but I hardly notice them any more and it only takes me 35 mins each way.

    A quick calculation to show the current price of UK fuel compared with the US:

    $3.00 per US gallon (seems about average)

    £0.92 per UK litre (at my local Asda)

    1 US gallon = 3.79 litres (1 Imperial gallon is 4.54 litres)

    £1 = $1.82

    therefore, UK price is currently $6.35 per US gallon.

    The other day it cost me £5 more to fill my car than it had done three weeks previously when I last filled it prior to a trip to York. I dread to think what people driving big 4x4s are paying when my little 1.6 Alfa Romeo costs £42 to fill.

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    1. Re:Use a bike by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wish I could bike to work. Fuel even costs more in my country (the Netherlands, I think we're even no.1 on the list).
      Last week it was even 1.50 euro for a litre.
      3.79 * 1.50 euro = 5,685 euro/U.S. gallon
      1 euro = 1.22 U.S. dollars,
      so I payed almost 7 dollars (6,94) for a US gallon.
      I have to refuel my (small) volkswagen car at least once a week, currently I pay 96 dollars to fill it up (55 litres).

      Bleh!

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    2. Re:Use a bike by Quarters · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I would love to bike to work. I live nine miles from where I work and the commute is essentially a straight shot down a state highway.

      I'll never do it.

      The highway, while straight, level, and well paved, is heavily travelled (to the point of congestion) by annoying suburbanites driving their SUVs and talking on their cell phones instead of paying attention to the road.

      At speed lane changes with no turn signals used, no checks in the mirrors, no looking out the side windows. Stopping short at lights, making right (or left) turns from the wrong lane because they forgot to get into the turn lane, etc... I've seen it all on my daily commute.

      It's dangerous enough in a car. I'd be nuts to try it on a bicycle.

    3. Re:Use a bike by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Use a bike

      I've been cycling to work for the last three months and it has been great. Some days I have to use public transport if the weather is really nasty but I am averaging about 80% of my travel by bicycle.

      First of all, I currently drive my car maybe 5 miles a week, as i'm able to use the DC subway and bus system to get to work every day. Worth it in terms of saving on gas/insurance/car wear, but it does mean my commute time is probably at least twice what it would be if I just drove.

      That said, it's great that you can do this, but quite a few (maybe even a majority, I don't know exact stats) people in the US either live too far away to get in on a bike/public transport in a reasonable amount of time ( i live 10 miles away from work, and it still takes me almost an hour ), or must take a route that would be life-threatening to ride a bike on (major highways, bad neighborhoods, etc.)

    4. Re:Use a bike by deranged+unix+nut · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have had some luck exploring my way through business parks and residential dead end roads. Maps usually don't show them, but there are often walking paths and cutouts that bicyclists can use to connect between sets of dead ends.

    5. Re:Use a bike by RandomJoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've tried this. Most frustrating 30 miles of biking I ever did! ;)

      I live all of 5 miles from my office. I'd love to ride my bike (and have, two weeks last year and just finished about 3 weeks last month) but the "last mile" is the problem! It's all residential and pleasant until I get right near my office. I have tried every side route I could think of, and can literally see my office building 1/4 mile away across a field from the nearest side road. But between the tall grass, stickers and railroad right of way (3 1/2 ft high berm!) it's basically unnavigable. Especially on my comfy but pavement-bound recumbent bike.

      So I wind up having to go 1 mile down a VERY busy 4-lane divided. 50 MPH, LOTS of businesses for people to turn in and out of, no shoulder just a curb. I've done it, and it doesn't bother me to ride streets like that occasionally, but to do it twice per day every day during rush hour...

      Grr... If they'd just put in that short stretch of side road!... (Probably will, too, about the time our lease is up on this building and we move out!)

  8. A few simple suggestions by FidelCatsro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously some of these are not always applicable , but where they are then they can be very useful . Both for your cash flow and the environment .. not to mention your health in some cases

    1: Walk or cycle to work :get some exercise whilst saving money and the environment

    2: Share a car (Car pool) :not as good as walking , but when you're not in a position to walk to work this can help your cash flow and the environment

    3: public transportation : pretty much the same reasons as sharing a car.

    4: working from home : The story does mention this , It is a great idea . You save the environment and money .

    The Petrol prices here in Germany make me wish I had your Dearth . I always walk to work as if i didn't i would start creating a huge hole in my wallet .

    People should be doing these things anyway , but a huge hike in Oil prices is a great way to kick it off .

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  9. Re:Call me offtopic, but... by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A prius does not cost $50,000. My mom bought one a few years ago and it was just a tad over $20,000.

    At the time though, I thought it was a silly purchase from an economical perspective as she only drives 7,000 miles a year. Even now, with the gas prices going up, it's questionable whether the cost differential between that and a nice corolla and the increased risk of abnormal maintenance needs is worth the gas savings. 7000Mi/y / 30 MPG = 233 G. The Prius @45MPG could cover the same distance in 156 G... so you only save 77 G. $144 ($2/G) then, $231 ($3/G) now per year. If you keep the car for 8 years and gas prices remain constant, your only looking at around $1000-2000 in gas savings over the life of the car with low mileage driving patterns.

    That said, many people drive 20,000 miles per year, and for them, the 3x ($3000-6000) savings may be worth it or at least around the break even point.

    I think my mom bought the car for its environmental friendliness and its coolness factor rather than any perceived economical savings. There are probably other much cheaper more effective ways to help out the environment, but one can hardly argue with the coolness factor.

    If you are thinking about doing an engine mod to save money, you should run the numbers before investing $10,000 into your car. In particular, look at the expected lifetime of the car and your cost savings per year. Also, it might not be a bad idea to take into account the interest you could earn on that $10,000 over the lifetime of the car. Eg, if the life of the car is 8 years, and you invest 10K at the beginning, well, that 10K earning 10% interest could pay for $1,000 worth of gass per year ($1,000/yr / $3/G * 30Mi/G = 10,000 Mi/yr... and you get to keep the $10,000.

  10. Has anyone considered moving closer to work? by deranged+unix+nut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I keep reading and hearing complaints that people live too far away from their work to bicycle.

    Well, maybe we don't all need to own a house and have yard. Maybe a condo with a nearby park would also fit your needs and you could live close enough to work to *gasp* walk to work.

    Our idea of the american dream has pushed the market to create huge sprawling cities with inadequate public transportation. How much will that house in the outer suburbs be worth when gasoline is $6/gallon? Could fuel prices go higher than that?

    I am living my american dream. I bicycle to work in 10 minutes, I don't even own a car anymore, and tomorrow I set off on 280 mile bicycle ride that includes a little over 4000 feet of climb in 3 days. Bicycling has given me a new sense of freedom. I lost 40 lbs in the first 4 months of bicycling and have kept it off over the following 6 months...how many SUV drivers would kill for that much weight loss?

    By the way, how much does it cost for you to fill up that tank these days?
    I keep forgetting to look at the gas prices.

    1. Re:Has anyone considered moving closer to work? by deranged+unix+nut · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Daily commute cost
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      1.5 Hr time = $20.00
      20 miles gas * 40mpg * $3/gal = $1.50
      Wear and tear on a car $15000/5 years = $11.54

      Daily commute cost = $33.04
      Weekly commute cost = $165.19
      Yearly commute cost = $8,590.00

      $50k mortgage / yearly commute = 5.8 years ...or if you don't consider your time to be worth anything:

      $50k mortgage / yearly commute = 14.7 years

  11. My company's great by LePrince · · Score: 2, Interesting
    They started doing this BEFORE the increases in gas prices... But hey.

    They try to make peolpe carpool more. They encourage this by saying "go ahead, carpool. If someday you're the passenger and the driver has to leave early/later than usual, we'll issue you a cab ticket worth 20$ so you can return home".

    But hey, I work for an environmentally-friendly company... We don't all have the same chance.

  12. Totally the wrong question. by holy+zarquon's+singi · · Score: 2, Informative

    What do you mean during petrol shortage. Prices won't be going down significantly until demand drops. Here is a good explaination of the problems with oil supply and energy exploration more generally.

    What kind of circumstances do you think will cause a drop in demand significant enough to cause petrol prices to drop to the levels they were at the turn of the century?

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  13. No Other Options by ShelfWare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some of the European posters have commented about options such as walking, bicycle, or public transportation. If you live in a metropolis here in USA, then those are viable options.

    I live in one suburb of a small city and work in a different suburb of the small city. My commute is about 25 miles one way, 95% highway, which burns about 1 gallon of fuel.

    Walking or cycling are not options, neither is public transportation (doesn't go where I go).

    The only other option is car pooling, which is nearly impossible with a variable schedule including meetings at other locations that require a drive, picking up kids at day care, etc.

    There's also a growing trend here in the states of people moving further away from cities into rural farming areas.

    So keep in mind that some Americans have vastly different circumstances. That isn't an excuse to drive some monstrosity that gets 10 MPG though.

  14. New Policy by Ratbert42 · · Score: 3, Funny
    How is your company responding to the current situation?

    Because of complaints about the high cost of gas, the CEO asked my manager to draft a work-from-home policy. He's a butt-in-seat manager that doesn't trust anyone. His new policy? You can work from home for a maximum of half of the day.

    1. Re:New Policy by gknoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So work from home for twelve hours some day, and when he complains, note that it's half of a day.

  15. Policy Recommendation by oni · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work at a university which is pretty liberal about this sort of thing, but I can make a recommendation to any private companies that want to encourage it.

    Assign a work-at-home day. If everyone picks their own day then you'll never have a day where everyone is at work.

    Make the work-at-home day Thursday. My experience suggests this is the day that you'll get the most productivity at home. Definitely don't do it on Monday or Friday or work-at-home day will just be a 3-day weekend! (what do you think this is, France?)

    Have an online meeting at about 10:30. Set everyone up with cheap web cams and just spend 30 minutes to an hour on an informal, "here's what we did this week" meeting. Those kinds of informal meetings are good for small groups anyway.

    Use an IM client. It's much better than email or phone calls for quickie questions: "hey bob, tell me again what the param list is."

    Require a followup email at 5:00. Even if it's just to say, "I've been working on this all day but I'm not done yet."

    On the technical side, obviously you're going to need to let employees set up a secure tunnel into a VPN - not the main company network. They need to be able to get to shares on file servers for example, and to hit their machines via remote desktop, but they shouldn't be able to hit shares on their local machines.

    All of that said, I really prefer to be at work. My chair and desk here are more comfortable. I'm also one of the lucky ones who lives close to work and I try to ride my bike at least once a week.

  16. Telecommute? Hah! by jgerry · · Score: 3, Funny

    I work for a big telecom that encourages customers to get DSL service so they can telecommute.

    Our own telecommute policy? We're not allowed to telecommute. Yeah, we suck that way.

  17. Re:Fine, then by oni · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fine, then pay for my internet connection and get me an equivalently spec'd computer for home that I use for work, and I will work from home.

    Isn't the point of all this that you save money on gas? Why should your employer buy you a computer so that you can save money?? It's like if your employer says, "on friday you can wear jeans to work if you want to but obviously you don't have to." And then you cross your arms and stomp your feet and say, "FINE, THEN YOU BUY ME A PAIR OF JEANS!"

    Uh no, if you don't want to do it then that's cool. Have fun driving to work.

  18. Re:Get with your road commission to add a bike pat by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2, Informative
    I hear you. In the US and some other countries, if you are on a bike, motorcycle or any kind of vehicle smaller than your opponents^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H fellow commuters, they seem to take sadistic pleasure in dangerous and threatening maneuvers.


    I don't usually see sadistic pleasure, just angry frustration that a given driver is impeded and sometimes endangered because he has a bicycle in front of him in his lane.

    THe bicycle is going slower than traffic, invariably, and the person stuck behind him is getting passed by people, without himself getting an opportunity to pass the cyclist.

    This means the driver behind the cyclist is screwed. Of course he's going to be pissed.

    Doesn't help that in my area, there's a cycle trail 15 feet to one side of the road, but most cyclists (not me for damned sure) insist on riding in the street to be "Seen" and to show off their fucking gay spandex suits, complete with fake endosement logos.

    Newsflash Lance. If you're commuting to get excercise and save gas, you don't need the attention. Just admit you're showing off, and go drink bleach.

    When I ride, I'm getting from point a to point b. I have no interest in becoming a spectical or demonstrating to the masses how healthy and pro-environment I'm being. Give me the lovely bicycle trail that the local government spent so much fucking money on, which I never have to leave to get where I'm going, and I'm happy.

    "activist" bicyclists do none of us any good.
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