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MS Upgrades To Be Smaller And More Frequent

duplicantk8 writes "Following the numerous delays to the Vista launch, MS is planning to have more frequent and smaller incremental upgrades, according to the Financial Times." From the article: "Those delays are set to end late next year with the simultaneous launch of new versions of Windows and the Office suite of PC applications in the company's most significant new product cycle since Windows 95. The new versions of the company's key PC software are likely to rekindle higher growth after a period that saw its growth rate slip below 10 per cent for the first time last year, according to Wall Street analysts. Mr Ballmer's comments are the most public sign yet of the dent to Microsoft's confidence in its core development process that resulted from the Vista delays."

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  1. Reboots by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wonder if they have finally figured out a way to update the OS without performing a reboot.

  2. Smaller changes? by JordanL · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't think they can get much smaller than the changes planned in Vista.

  3. Windows update.... by Misanthrope · · Score: 5, Funny

    For some reason windows update will be replaced by the commands.
    sudo apt-get update
    sudo apt-get upgrade

    1. Re:Windows update.... by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Funny

      Okay, they are really in trouble if Debian releases more frequently than them!

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  4. too ambitious? by sqlrob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wasn't WinFS originally supposed to be out with NT 4, and they *still* can't make it?

  5. Re:scratching head by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, this is an attempt to make you *pay* for Service Packs.

    2008: Upgrade to Windows Vista version 2.0 for only $200!
    2009: Upgrade to Windows Vista version 3.0 for only $225!
    2010: Upgrade to Windows Vista version 4.0 for only $275!
    2011: Upgrade to Windows Vista version 4.0 for only $350!
    2012: Upgrade to Windows Vista version 5.0 for only $1000!

  6. It won't help by Ruprecht+the+Monkeyb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Smaller, more frequent upgrades will cost more to publish, will increase their support costs, and won't result in increased sales/upgrades. Most home users upgrade automatically when they buy a new PC, most corporate users upgrade en masse when there is good reason to do so. Trying to shorten the upgrade cycle in the corporate environment will backfire. Smart IT managers will still only upgrade when there is a compelling reason to do so, and now they might have the opportunity to cherry-pick smaller upgrades that would theoretically be less expensive.

    Microsoft almost got it right with XP, but then they got greedy/stupid at the last minute and fragmented the product line (first Pro v Home, then Media). The 31 flavors of Vista is bad enough, but to compound that with multiple, more frequent upgrades will be even worse.

    1. Re:It won't help by theantipop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It has yet to hurt Apple. I don't see the difference between the proposed schedule and what OSX has doing for years.

  7. Re:scratching head by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny

    Basically they are saying that "Black Tuesday" becomes "Black Nine Fifteen In The Morning."

    I'm sure sysdmins in MS-centric shops all over the world are rejoicing.

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  8. Beleaguered by sg3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember the 1997 buzzword "beleaguered"?

    Does anyone else remember in the mid 1990s when Apple announced the same thing? It was around 1996, and Apple was finding it impossible to get its next generation Copland/Mac OS 8 operating system out the door. I think it was then-CEO Gil Amelio who announced after several years of delays that Apple wasn't going to do monolithic releases any longer. They would do little ones to be more manageable. Eventually, they came out with Mac OS 7.6, Mac OS 8 (what many considered to be 7.7), and Mac OS 9. That's also when they started shopping around, looking at Be and NeXT.

    As Apple discovered--and now, I guess Microsoft is discovering the same thing-- it's really hard to keep backwards compatibility, drive new features, and do it within a reasonable budget when you have a big installed base. Apple's installed base was never more than a small fraction of Microsoft's, but Microsoft's resources were also proportionately more extensive.

    Microsoft is having as many (or more) delays with Longhorn/Vista as Apple had with Copland/Mac OS 8. In the mean time, Apple bit the bullet with NeXT/Mac OS X back in 1997, and now they're seeing some pretty good returns on their investment. Releases have been fairly rapid, and they've introduced lots of innovative features.

    So as far as coming up with their next OS, Microsoft, you can use the word now. Apple doesn't need it any more.

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    1. Re:Beleaguered by sg3000 · · Score: 5, Informative
      I can't find the original article, so here's the only reference I could find:

      During his keynote speech at MACWORLD Expo Boston ... Dr. Amelio announced a fundamental shift in the way that Apple delivers new operating-system functionality.

      Dr. Amelio stated in his keynote speech that Apple is changing its strategy to deliver new functionality through incremental releases rather than large monolithic releases. Moving forward, Apple intends to follow the industry model of shipping software releases in incremental segments. ... The motivation for this change is that Apple believes that its current model of monolithic system-software releases isn't working, and that it doesn't allow Apple to get software advancements out to customers and developers soon enough.


      I found a similar statement in a Boston Globe article from August 8, 1996:
      As far as Apple's new operating system, known as Copland, Amelio wouldn't give a release date, saying instead the company would begin selling components of the new operating system as they become available. Such piecemeal advances in the operating system are part of a broader shift by Apple away from big, monolithic upgrades. "Copland is going to appear, but it's going to appear over a series of releases," said Amelio.


      Who would have thought that about a decade later, it would seem like Microsoft was having the same problems:
      Microsoft has overhauled its core software development practices to avoid any repetition of the delays that have bedevilled the next planned version of Windows, according to Steve Ballmer, the company's chief executive.

      The changes, along with plans to release more frequent, less ambitious versions of the widely used software, mark a significant shift in Microsoft's approach following one of the most troubled new product cycles in its 30-year history.

      "We attempted something that was beyond the planning and conceptualisation of the system," Mr Ballmer said of Windows Vista, the much-delayed version of the software that is now planned for late next year.

      "The product cycle has been longer than it should have been," he told the FT.

      Of course, what fixed Apple was not doing incremental releases. They had to do a step-function switch to Mac OS X.
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  9. never give it automatic control by CiXeL · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it reboots your system for you. really pissed me off how many times i lost work to it.

  10. MS becomes agile?..switches to XP for development? by FerretFrottage · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wouldn't you love the be the developer who gets Ballmer or Gates as your pair programmer.

    [developer]:You forgot to comment that code

    [Ballmer]: (pickup chair and tosses it smashing his triple head display of Dell 2405 monitors) The code comment's itself!!!

    [developer]: What about best practices? I'm suppose to be learning from you.

    [Ballmer]: Well then start by getting off you ass and picking up that chair. Now with both hands on the arm rests.....NO NO NO...use you're back to lift, not your legs.

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  11. NOT FUNNY!! Re:Reboots by putko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's not funny.

    I think the folks who suffer with Windows are used to rebooting for all sorts of reasons. E.g. IE runs too slow, my app just crashed, I need to install a new program, something is not working, ...

    Due to their inability to admin their own machine, some resort to throwing it out and trying again, with new hardware.

    I think it is the Unix admins who have the fetish for the no-reboot. Or perhaps a single, precisely done reboot, to remotely bring up a machine with an entirely new OS.

    Similary, folks who use windows think they need anti-spyware, anti-virus, extra-special firewall crap --- because they think there's no way a computer can withstand the tide of crap without extra-special help. It is just impossible to imagine that an OS could withstand it all.

    Lately it seems that hardware companies are in the game -- e.g. Intel processors with features designed to make up for the deficiencies of Ballmer's bunch in Redmond.

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  12. Just last night . . . by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I updated several of my devices without a reboot. Those sort of patches seem rare, and likely for good reason.

    The catch is that if you need to patch a critical system file, it's orders of magnitude more simple to just replace it upon reboot (since nothing's running). Otherwise you need to close down any applications and services that are using that file. Some system files are used by the GUI interface itself, at which point you're crossing your fingers and hoping it pops back to reality during the patch process.

    It's probably technically possible to do certain patches without rebooting, but you'd have to have a savvy enough user to shut down and bring back dependent services. Linux admins are used to that sort of thing. For home users, it's far easier to simply reboot.

    1. Re:Just last night . . . by Atzanteol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not locking files is good. Always. Under all bloody circumstances as far as I can tell.

      Raise your hands all who have wasted an hour trying to delete a directory that was in use can couldn't find the magic program that was using it? How many wish they had "lsof" under windows?

      And nothing like deleting a large directory only to have it come back with "Could not delete, destination file is in use". Which file? Go figure it out yourself. The system doesn't care enough to tell you...

      Sorry. Bit of a rant there. But running into the silly Windows file locking over and over again has made me pretty bitter on the subject. :-)

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  13. Deja Vu? by theolein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    2005: with the simultaneous launch of new versions of Windows and the Office suite of PC applications in the company's most significant new product cycle since Windows 95

    IIRC, wasn't almost the very same sentence used in 2001 prior to the launch of Windows XP?

  14. I can see this as only a good thing... by HerculesMO · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For Linux that is.

    Tell me which corporation will install a new point release of ANY Microsoft OS? Hell, remember service pack 2? That's technically speaking, a whole point release. And where I work, and countless other places, IT managers opted NOT to install it for a *very* long time until the bugs were worked out in that point release.

    This idea of 'smaller' and 'more frequent' upgrades plays merely into the Linux world's hands. The problem with Windows is that there's a tie-in to everything. So if a change must be made, it affects the OS at the kernel level. With Linux, kernel updates aren't as frequent nor as impacting. However, KDE can release a new version and since it's part of x windows and not attached to the OS in a surgical manner, it really doesn't matter. People don't know that now because Linux isn't mainstream, but they will when they find themselves extensively testing for compatibility with legacy apps they have in-house, or whatever with regards to Windows.

    This is the opportunity for the Linux community to come together and offer a *true* desktop competitor to Windows. As it stands right now, and I know the /. users will voice complaint -- Linux on the desktop sucks. The key to break into that market is ease of use and while as /.ers we can generally 'figure it out' even if we are unfamiliar, the average Joe will not. Apple is going in the right direction there but with limited hardware and inflated prices, it's not a viable alternative for the desktop, as pretty as it is.

    If Linux as a desktop becomes EASY to use (and I mean damned near idiotproof), the server can pretty much remain as it is. Nobody cares about the server when they are using their desktop, especially as an end-user in say, Accounting. They just want to get their figures out the door without having applications crash and close on them.

    Now's the time to do it though.. Microsoft is going to set themselves up badly with Vista... and sometimes you only get one good chance to whack the bad guy in the back of the head. And then kick him while he's down :)

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  15. Translation by Anita+Coney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Smaller and more frequent also means less expensive and yearly. Which basically means that Microsoft is moving to the subscription model it always wanted. Windows users will pay a "small amount" e.g., 20 bucks, every year for minor and insignificant updates. In other words, we'll be paying for what we now get for free.

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