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P2P Now and Then
brajesh writes "There was an earlier story on Slashdot regarding eDonkey overtaking BitTorrent in P2P traffic. The BBC story was based on this press release by CacheLogic. To expand on this, there is a comprehensive analysis of P2P trends in 2005 by the same firm. The report makes some insights into the present and future of P2P, particularly interesting in the light of recent steps taken by BBC -BBC iMP and others. The analysis also makes some observations about the break-up of P2P content."
Or it could still be the porn thing.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Now: stealing stuff
Then: stealing stuff
Feal free to replace stealing with infriging if it will help you get through the day. And don't give me no "linux ISO" bullshit.
- There is a lot of P2P traffic.
- This will not decrease.
- P2P packages will come and go.
- Industry had better embrace this.
I may sound like an idiot for saying this, but does anyone ever get the impression that p2p is going to be the new conduit for the oppressed ( oppressed being everyone subject to coorprate america). The first conduit was the free press on obstructed information flow allowing abolitionist and the like to band together and spread there cause, then radio TV etc . Now there is p2p another on obstructed means of passing information uncontrolled by the cooprate majority.
Or maybe it was there and I just missed its sub-pixel width on my high resolution monitor.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
(Includes Winny)
Not surprising since the program interface is in Japanese by default (and even with an English interface, you'll most likely still have to search for the files in Japanese if you want to actually find anything).
But with its relative anonymity, plausible deniability (think Freenet), while maintaining really high speeds (although this may be more a factor of Japanese having much better broadband than we do), I wouldn't be surprised if this was their main source for P2P as well as a glimpse at the future of P2P as lawsuits just drive P2P users into using networks that afford a bit better protection.
OTOH, P2P is small, cheap, everywhere, and hard to suppress. While it cannot merit the need for such heavy handed protection yet, it disseminates information broadly and uncontrollably. For The People this is often a good thing!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Just some things I noticed...
There is always a frontier where there is an open and willing mind
I would hazard a guess that whomever modded this Informative +1 didn't read it closely enough. You were suckered!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I don't know squat about eDonkey and Fasttrack, so I don't know how these considerations apply to them.
I've tried to download files from edonkey for several months, without success.
All i've got is "Queue #4339 of 4339" (in the worst case) and average of 140 people before me in my around 20 sources. And I mean anime fansubs, not pron (but it could apply).
Considering that each file takes around 5 hours to transfer, my ETA would be equal to 29 days before my download actually starts.
This makes me wonder if all the traffic in edonkey belongs to the 1/140 = 0.71% lucky guys who got to be the first ones in the queues.
Gnutella, on the other hand, is my preferred source for downloads. I always get to download stuff.
So... my question is... has any slashdotter in here been able to ACTUALLY download ANYTHING from edonkey? How long it takes before a download actually starts? Does the p2p client change your probability of success?
Answers would be appreciated.
On http://www.cachelogic.com/products/cachepliance.ph p/ they sell several configurations of a P2P file caching server, saying it will save the ISP money in bandwidth. But wouldn't it also remove their protection as a common provider? I mean the ISP would actually be hosting the files going around on P2P, which would mostly be copyrighted works.
It sounds fine to me personally, the ISP saves bandwidth and I get sent the file from a server hosted right at my ISP, but it seems like an insanely risky thing for an ISP to do. A general purpose caching machine would be fine -HTTP, FTP, Bittorrent, etc. indiscriminately stored, but picking just p2p traffic.... what do you think?
CacheLogic, the company which did this "comprehensive analysis" of P2P also happens to sell network hardware which does "Deep Packet Inspection" (read the specs on the device here).
Innoculously, the technology can efficiently route packets to ensure better QoS, elimination of network congestion, and even provide cached streaming.
But, one has to wonder if this technology, when used by the likes of the RIAA/MPAA would allow massive consolidation of data on P2P users. The above device specifically analyzes the content of the packet -- it's not a far cry that a company would create software for a device like this, which could automatically detect "flagged" files/hashes, and report them to "copyright owners" who have subscribed to the service.
are these statistics true i mean i dont use gnutella, edonkey, fastrack only bittorrent which tend to go slower and slower lately and the superior dc network which in my opinion is lightyears ahead of those gnutella edonkey fastrack i find everything on dc even the very rare things like dutch shows, swedish films, ... mame roms and i dld really fast if i put myself into the job of searching alternatives
by the way i use this client http://dcgui.berlios.de/
Why doesnt someone even mention these p2p network it used to be much more elite 2-3 years ago and free of viruses back then which tends to change lately but still on the upside,now regulary there pops off a new hub over 8000 usrs and with more then 1 PiB share! or do i know exposed a network that everybody agreed on to never reveal????
FYI AVI is a generic container where the media may include many differing codecs with almost no limits. The mpg, wmv and rv formats follow a much more strict standard in contrast.
http://www.thozie.de/avimaster/avi_faq.htm
^ Look here for more info.
Ok, so as far as I see this the entire internet is made up of P2P connections. Heck, I made a point-to-point connection to pull down the slashdot page. Distributed P2P networks (where files from multiple systems are put into a list as available from my location) like Kazaa, Limewire, etc... are pretty much just fancy extensions of what I do at home when I'm on my laptop and want to pull a file from my server or workstation. So unless I'm missunderstanding all the buzz, I've been using P2P since way before Kazaa and Napster and don't see how anyone (including the *AA groups) going to interfere with my ability to transfer a movie from my PC to my laptop.
Having said that, anyone can transfer information in a number of different ways, be it open or copyrighted so how can the *AA ban a service from working because when they checked it, it happened to be transfering copyrighted material... the same service could transfer legal data (like a webserver). P2P networks will be here to stay in one way or another. That's just the way the internet works, and, as a previous poster mentioned, the Industry will just have to get over it and *gasp* use that to their advantage!
-=JML=-
Continued abuse of those protocols will simply give the industry the hammer they need to outlaw their use.
:) in this scenario computer A and C supposedly transefered an illegal document that would get my shot by 'his greatness our supremme commander for Life' meanwhile innoculous old computer B which just passed the data along, was really the computer that wanted a copy of the data. done right computer B doesn't even HAVE an ip address. it just operates on layer two of the OSI model, and looks no different from any other piece of hardware that allows data to be sent over a greater distance without needing an ip address.
:) so when do we get a p2p app that operates by default on layer 2 of the OSI model, pretending to be a switch between some random ip address that isn't in use and the real IP of the person downloading the file ;) ;)
So you're saying they're gonna outlaw the internet huh?
No matter how many times you encrypt a packet and sneak it around the net, at some point in time you, the recipient, have to actually receive it at your IP address
you don't understand much about how the internet works. Let't say I am the evil hacker downloading the 'constitution' because you know it's been modified and i'm distributing the unmodified text. But I'm sneaking the packet around and don't want to look like i am recieving it. as long as i set it up so that MY computer is a route between two compromized systems the end destination of that packet isn't me, but i can have manipulate and swipe a copy of all that data without anyone on the entire internet being aware of anything other than the fact 'that packet passed through' my system. so now instead of blaming me, you're balming the compromised system of someone's 80 year old grandmother, and when you sieze her computer there is no trace of who exploited her, nor of any of the 'files' that supposedly were downloaded to her computer.
see
so there you go
the data might have gone Through my computer network Sir, But as you can See my System is Clean of any suspicious files or activities!
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
"While *some* used/use it as justification and denial, I have also seen, ans have used it because when talking about FACTS (not opinions or personal beliefs), the crimes involving p2p and copyrights involve piracy copyright infringement, not rape, murder, larceny, stealing, theft, etc.
/.ers often say that labels should make albums cheaper so they'd buy them instead of stealing them.
Copyright infringement (gain + no loss) != theft (gain + loss. Copyright education + RIAA/MPAA/BSA = PROPAGANDA AND F"
You don't understand English:
Or are phrases such as "you stole my idea" or "you're stealing cable" not correct English
You don't understand Economics:
Claiming copyright infringement causes no loss to the producer is a fallacy. Illegal sources of the product lower the effective value of the product i.e. the price at which it can be sold. So therefore a loss of the product's value has occurred. Note that
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From the article, the section on P2P market share, it shows that the majority of Singaporeans use BitTorrent for their P2P filesharing needs. One of the reasons for this may be that the ISPs in Singapore throttles down the eDonkey traffic significantly more than the BitTorrent traffic. It's a pity, as eD2k is a great P2P network. The recent versions of eMule supports Kademlia, which makes the client even more efficient in message passing between the P2P nodes.
While eD2k users are suffering from poor performance, the BitTorrent users seem to be fine. Thus, many eD2k users have switched over to the BitTorrent network for their files.
In the past before the P2P proliferation in Singapore, my eMule could download at ~40KB/s easily. Now, it is crawling at 10KB/s. Sometimes even the upstream capacity gets capped.
I wonder why the BitTorrent network does not suffer from bandwidth throttling as much as the eD2k network.
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