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P2P Now and Then
brajesh writes "There was an earlier story on Slashdot regarding eDonkey overtaking BitTorrent in P2P traffic. The BBC story was based on this press release by CacheLogic. To expand on this, there is a comprehensive analysis of P2P trends in 2005 by the same firm. The report makes some insights into the present and future of P2P, particularly interesting in the light of recent steps taken by BBC -BBC iMP and others. The analysis also makes some observations about the break-up of P2P content."
Or it could still be the porn thing.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Now: stealing stuff
Then: stealing stuff
Feal free to replace stealing with infriging if it will help you get through the day. And don't give me no "linux ISO" bullshit.
No, it's not. Sorry.
-- sb
- There is a lot of P2P traffic.
- This will not decrease.
- P2P packages will come and go.
- Industry had better embrace this.
I may sound like an idiot for saying this, but does anyone ever get the impression that p2p is going to be the new conduit for the oppressed ( oppressed being everyone subject to coorprate america). The first conduit was the free press on obstructed information flow allowing abolitionist and the like to band together and spread there cause, then radio TV etc . Now there is p2p another on obstructed means of passing information uncontrolled by the cooprate majority.
...towards more fancy looking interfaces
http://gnunet.org/screenshots.php3.
Or maybe it was there and I just missed its sub-pixel width on my high resolution monitor.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
(Includes Winny)
Not surprising since the program interface is in Japanese by default (and even with an English interface, you'll most likely still have to search for the files in Japanese if you want to actually find anything).
But with its relative anonymity, plausible deniability (think Freenet), while maintaining really high speeds (although this may be more a factor of Japanese having much better broadband than we do), I wouldn't be surprised if this was their main source for P2P as well as a glimpse at the future of P2P as lawsuits just drive P2P users into using networks that afford a bit better protection.
works fine for me, using Opera's built in RSS support.... Maybe your client is broken?
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
Its working fine for me, just loaded it up (this story is right on top)
dunno what your problem would be
"Something's wrong with you...and I hope we never do meet again." - Deftones When Girls Telephone Boys
OTOH, P2P is small, cheap, everywhere, and hard to suppress. While it cannot merit the need for such heavy handed protection yet, it disseminates information broadly and uncontrollably. For The People this is often a good thing!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
You may want to check your own configuration and the status of any proxies between your machine and slashdot.
My live bookmark points to: http://slashdot.org/index.rss
It's been working for me all week.
By the way, the correct place to report that isn't in the middle of the forum but the "Bugs" link that's available in the side bar.
There are two kinds of people: 1) those that need closure
My work blocked access to this site (likely due to the site being categorized as "file sharing").
Fortunately Slashdot can work as a file sharing network in a pinch.
Just some things I noticed...
There is always a frontier where there is an open and willing mind
Are there any P2P networks left that you can actually transfer data at a reasonable rate, that aren't full of viruses?
eDonkey/eMule take hours to download small files, and days/weeks to download big files
bittorrent is virtually useless, apparently everyone only has parts of any data that i want not equalling a whole
limewire is all viruses
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
I would hazard a guess that whomever modded this Informative +1 didn't read it closely enough. You were suckered!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I don't know squat about eDonkey and Fasttrack, so I don't know how these considerations apply to them.
I've tried to download files from edonkey for several months, without success.
All i've got is "Queue #4339 of 4339" (in the worst case) and average of 140 people before me in my around 20 sources. And I mean anime fansubs, not pron (but it could apply).
Considering that each file takes around 5 hours to transfer, my ETA would be equal to 29 days before my download actually starts.
This makes me wonder if all the traffic in edonkey belongs to the 1/140 = 0.71% lucky guys who got to be the first ones in the queues.
Gnutella, on the other hand, is my preferred source for downloads. I always get to download stuff.
So... my question is... has any slashdotter in here been able to ACTUALLY download ANYTHING from edonkey? How long it takes before a download actually starts? Does the p2p client change your probability of success?
Answers would be appreciated.
On http://www.cachelogic.com/products/cachepliance.ph p/ they sell several configurations of a P2P file caching server, saying it will save the ISP money in bandwidth. But wouldn't it also remove their protection as a common provider? I mean the ISP would actually be hosting the files going around on P2P, which would mostly be copyrighted works.
It sounds fine to me personally, the ISP saves bandwidth and I get sent the file from a server hosted right at my ISP, but it seems like an insanely risky thing for an ISP to do. A general purpose caching machine would be fine -HTTP, FTP, Bittorrent, etc. indiscriminately stored, but picking just p2p traffic.... what do you think?
I was on my google start page. I thought google could never fail!
That bugs page looked kinda complicated so I didn't bother trying to use it.
I guess I can be modded into oblivion now...
Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
CacheLogic, the company which did this "comprehensive analysis" of P2P also happens to sell network hardware which does "Deep Packet Inspection" (read the specs on the device here).
Innoculously, the technology can efficiently route packets to ensure better QoS, elimination of network congestion, and even provide cached streaming.
But, one has to wonder if this technology, when used by the likes of the RIAA/MPAA would allow massive consolidation of data on P2P users. The above device specifically analyzes the content of the packet -- it's not a far cry that a company would create software for a device like this, which could automatically detect "flagged" files/hashes, and report them to "copyright owners" who have subscribed to the service.
are these statistics true i mean i dont use gnutella, edonkey, fastrack only bittorrent which tend to go slower and slower lately and the superior dc network which in my opinion is lightyears ahead of those gnutella edonkey fastrack i find everything on dc even the very rare things like dutch shows, swedish films, ... mame roms and i dld really fast if i put myself into the job of searching alternatives
by the way i use this client http://dcgui.berlios.de/
Why doesnt someone even mention these p2p network it used to be much more elite 2-3 years ago and free of viruses back then which tends to change lately but still on the upside,now regulary there pops off a new hub over 8000 usrs and with more then 1 PiB share! or do i know exposed a network that everybody agreed on to never reveal????
Right... P2P is going to break up. I want the shit their smokin'. P2P is as strong as ever be it in torrents, Kazaa\Limewire\EDonkey\EMule\etc., IRC, or the oldie but goodie Newsgroups. These people obviously don't know JACK. The hard people try and squeeze it off, the more people will find better ways to distribute material. Freedom of information and the exchange of it is what the Internet is based off of. Some people never learn
I eat Karma for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. That's why I don't have any.
Your problem with BitTorrent is that you're actually trying to download Linux CD and other legitimate files. Go for torrent warez, the download speeds will make you cum.
The word I had to type in to confirm I'm not a script was "brothel".
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From Slide 10:
eDonkey is fully decentralised, there are no "tracker" sites to shut down
eDonkey is not fully decentralized. Users still have to connect to servers; larger servers will provide better results. Users are therefore encouraged to connect to these centralized servers. These large servers can be shut down, but most users would just switch to other servers.
FYI AVI is a generic container where the media may include many differing codecs with almost no limits. The mpg, wmv and rv formats follow a much more strict standard in contrast.
http://www.thozie.de/avimaster/avi_faq.htm
^ Look here for more info.
One would think that using advanced Layer-7 technology, routers could be instructed to drop P2P packets relatively easily...
Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
some unknown genious comes up with a new codingmethod that allows a true form of AI. and wishes to keep it out of coorprate hands and make it free to all. Can you think of a better way of passing it to the world at large ? trust me it's much more than music and porn.
Oh I think we did..
*spends another mod point*
Man, with easynews I have practically quit using P2P for ANYTHING.
:P
Anything I want is on their fast server.. and with their global search that takes like ~2 seconds, zip manager, and autounrar (useful for streaming tv shows, movies, xvids et cetera) i can't ever see using p2p again
But then again, it isn't 'free', but the $10 a month is well worth it in my eyes
Excuse me, I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean
Printing presses for large runs of daily papers might be large but book presses can be small, in your basement, that's how samizdat publications were published in the soviet states. Also, if a bordering country has a different regime, books can be smuggled over borders.
While computer to computer traffic is distributed, it faces a different form of threat - the systemic block. This will continue to happen in relation to commercial content with DRM and to political information in states like China.
Anyway, the printing press was considerably smaller and cheaper than the predecessor technology, the monastery!
Keep rotating your phaser settings, so they cant adapt.
when Filesharing, keep rotating the ones you use so they cant sue.
One reason that I argue that BitTorrent is *NOT* true file sharing ah la Kazaa, is that it relies on trackers that must be posted to website/boards/etc. That is pretty much the same as posting an MP3 directly to your geocities. therefore BitTorrent is a downloading AID.
Ok, so as far as I see this the entire internet is made up of P2P connections. Heck, I made a point-to-point connection to pull down the slashdot page. Distributed P2P networks (where files from multiple systems are put into a list as available from my location) like Kazaa, Limewire, etc... are pretty much just fancy extensions of what I do at home when I'm on my laptop and want to pull a file from my server or workstation. So unless I'm missunderstanding all the buzz, I've been using P2P since way before Kazaa and Napster and don't see how anyone (including the *AA groups) going to interfere with my ability to transfer a movie from my PC to my laptop.
Having said that, anyone can transfer information in a number of different ways, be it open or copyrighted so how can the *AA ban a service from working because when they checked it, it happened to be transfering copyrighted material... the same service could transfer legal data (like a webserver). P2P networks will be here to stay in one way or another. That's just the way the internet works, and, as a previous poster mentioned, the Industry will just have to get over it and *gasp* use that to their advantage!
-=JML=-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVI
As you can see, AVI was invented by Microsoft, and so classified (albeit sometimes incorrectly) as Microsoft Avi by many ed2k clients. Filtering by individual codecs is something that's integrated into neither the ed2k network or most of it's clients.
Slow Down, Cowboy! It's been 60 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment.
Yep, that's right, P2P traffic blockers and shapers. Does anybody think they figures would be under-inflated or over-inflated ? My bet is the latter.
The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
"While *some* used/use it as justification and denial, I have also seen, ans have used it because when talking about FACTS (not opinions or personal beliefs), the crimes involving p2p and copyrights involve piracy copyright infringement, not rape, murder, larceny, stealing, theft, etc.
/.ers often say that labels should make albums cheaper so they'd buy them instead of stealing them.
Copyright infringement (gain + no loss) != theft (gain + loss. Copyright education + RIAA/MPAA/BSA = PROPAGANDA AND F"
You don't understand English:
Or are phrases such as "you stole my idea" or "you're stealing cable" not correct English
You don't understand Economics:
Claiming copyright infringement causes no loss to the producer is a fallacy. Illegal sources of the product lower the effective value of the product i.e. the price at which it can be sold. So therefore a loss of the product's value has occurred. Note that
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Maybe it's just me, but I worry about when it'll look centralized "enough" to go after it. I don't remember the last time I heard anyone say they got it on Usenet... they say they got it on Easynews. It was something quite different when there were hundreds of newsservers at every isp and university around, I know recently our biggest national isp wanted to discontinue it altogether. Easynews holds the files, they provide the search... tell me, isn't that a lot more than Napster and KaZaA ever did?
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
From the article, the section on P2P market share, it shows that the majority of Singaporeans use BitTorrent for their P2P filesharing needs. One of the reasons for this may be that the ISPs in Singapore throttles down the eDonkey traffic significantly more than the BitTorrent traffic. It's a pity, as eD2k is a great P2P network. The recent versions of eMule supports Kademlia, which makes the client even more efficient in message passing between the P2P nodes.
While eD2k users are suffering from poor performance, the BitTorrent users seem to be fine. Thus, many eD2k users have switched over to the BitTorrent network for their files.
In the past before the P2P proliferation in Singapore, my eMule could download at ~40KB/s easily. Now, it is crawling at 10KB/s. Sometimes even the upstream capacity gets capped.
I wonder why the BitTorrent network does not suffer from bandwidth throttling as much as the eD2k network.
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