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IBM Training Employees To Leave IBM?

lucabrasi999 writes "IBM just launched a new program that will encourage some employees to earn teaching certificates and degrees. IBM will help defray the costs of these new degrees. With those newly earned degrees, the IBM employee would then become a 'former' IBM employee who moves onto a career as a public school math or science teacher. While it seems odd that IBM would encourage employees to switch careers, the point is that IBM is trying to help offset an expected shortage in the number of math and science teachers in the United States." From the article: "While many companies encourage their employees to tutor schoolchildren or do other things to get involved in education, IBM believes it is the first to guide workers toward switching into a teaching career. The company expects older workers nearing retirement to be the most likely candidates, partly because they would have more financial wherewithal to take the pay cut that becoming a teacher likely would entail."

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  1. PR by daniil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My guess is, they're just trying to pick up some good karma, "encouraging" people to pick up a teaching career and leave, instead of just laying them off life HP did. That way, they'll be able to cut their employment costs, at the same time still retaining a positive image.

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    1. Re:PR by Namronorman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I honestly don't think so. As the article said, the most likely candidates will be the ones near retirement.

      As much as you and I may fear it, today's generation is tommorow's work force, and a lot of that work will have to do with math and science. I know when I was in school, math and science classes seemed to be lacking, or sometimes more advanced classes weren't even available. This might not show an immediate success, but over time it could change a lot of people's minds about math and science and open a way for people who want to learn these subjects more.

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    2. Re:PR by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Schoolteachers with real-world work experience are very valuable.

      Most teachers never... ever... left the school system.

    3. Re:PR by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Very true. The best teachers I ever had in college (engineering) had real world experience. I think it is actually the best kind of career to have after you work in industry for about 20 to 30 years. You don't have to work too hard when your body is older and can't take as much stress. Both you and the people you teach are much better off for it.

  2. Random thought... by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Lately, it seems more and more to me that IBM is taking Google's place as the "Don't be evil" company.

    With moves like this and their support of the open source scene, you'd think that they'd be Slashdot's new baby by now. :)

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    1. Re:Random thought... by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
      I agree that this is the most cuddly downsizing ever, but am still not sure that IBM deserves quite as much love for this as they're getting.

      Anyway, until they drive a stake through the heart of Lotus Notes they can't claim to have fully abandoned evil...

    2. Re:Random thought... by hendridm · · Score: 4, Funny
      With moves like this and their support of the open source scene, you'd think that they'd be Slashdot's new baby by now.

      We're still recovering from Lotus Notes.

  3. Well by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's nicer than firing them.

    1. Re:Well by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's nicer than firing them.

      And that's precisely the idea. IBM figures if they "encourage" their most senior and skilled (read: most expensive) employees to go elsewhere, they can downsize without the PR unpleasantness of layoffs. It's the same logic as "early retirement" programs, but rather than buying out a contract you pay someone to go into teaching instead.

      Frankly, IBM can have all the good PR they want from this move. Helping your employees to get another job before you fire them is great from a social responsibilty standpoint, and helping them into teaching, a field that always needs *experienced* people in it, is even better. Sure, IBM is doing it for primarily financial reasons but everyone wins in the end, so I'm perfectly fine with that.

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  4. Go IBM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there's anything America needs, it's more science teachers.

  5. Altruistic... by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This definitely sounds like one of the most altruistic actions of a company I've ever heard. This will certainly lead to some happier employees. But it can also lead to more college professors having IBM experience, which could lead to students better educated to work at IBM. Not only does it help the industry, in the very long term it can come back to help IBM. This seems like fantastic foresight on IBM's part.

  6. Sometimes, there's just no other choice. by topical_surfactant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My (engineer) father was axed from his company one year before retirement. No one wants to hire an aging engineer in this market, so he took up high-school teaching as a last resort. It was a huge pay cut, but at least he could maintain medical benefits. He has an 70 mile commute every morning, since entry-level teachers were not in high demand.

  7. Too bad the Gov. won't step up like this. by Declarent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know about you guys, but every year a greater percentage of the engineers that I work with are Indian or Asian. A few decades ago, we were world technology leaders, all with home grown talent.

    Now we're less educated than ever before.

    The government could double the existing education budget and fix our school systems, get more teachers, and build the infrastructure that has been lost and not rebuilt for decades. There are plenty of places that we spend money that aren't as important.

    At least IBM sees the crisis as it looms over us, if the government doesn't. An educated populace means there's a country worth defending, move a tiny portion of the defense budget to education, dammit!

    Kudos, IBM. At least somebody has an eye on the ball.

    1. Re:Too bad the Gov. won't step up like this. by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      every year a greater percentage of the engineers that I work with are Indian or Asian. A few decades ago, we were world technology leaders, all with home grown talent.

      Now we're less educated than ever before.


      Almost all of those immigrant engineers have degrees from American universities and as long as the majority continue to settle here and become permanent residents, then they are us.

  8. Re:Shortage by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Informative

    Shortage is IBM's mainframe skills... IBM is running on its last generation of mainframe employees.

    I'm not sure where you get your info, but a few weeks ago I met a handful of young IBM workers from their mainframe department. They each work in different teams and told me there are both young and old. There's simply an age gap due to the 10 years of not hiring in the NY state area. But there are plenty of young employees working on ancient systems. These weren't kids installing linux, either. They were talking Z/OS and encryption.

  9. I RTFA when it was posted in FRAK by williamyf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before it was Slashdoted, and it seems like a Short and long term win win Situation:

    IBM Wins, short term: Good karma, and reducing (somewhat) their headcount.

    Employee wins: A new career, pursued while still having IBM benefits (like health plan) and partial salary, because they will be in a leave of absence.

    IBM wins, long term: Continuin g supply of skilled workforce

    Society wins: Teachers.

    This is a sort of thing that companies have been doing for a lon time, but this is a very innovative way for them to do it... kudos to IBM.

    In Venezuela we dub this "La cajita feliz" (the happy meal, a reference to McDonalds kids lunch). When you offer incentives to the employees to leave on their own will, therefore reducing headcount without layoffs.

    Our PTT, CANTV, did this. In HP now, to reach their staffing targets, they anounced a change of the early retirement policy, and many employees arte taking advantage before the deadline, so, in the end, they will reduce the workforce by some number X of employees, but they will have laid off a number less than x, the others leaving on their own volition....

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  10. No more math teachers by xchino · · Score: 4, Funny

    Look, there's already an estimated 50,000 math teachers in the US. This move by IBM may add another 5,000. Who the hell needs 75,000 math teachers?

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  11. Another reason to justify this... by alexhmit01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, companies and and should do GOOD, they just can't do altruism at the shareholders (owner's) expense, that's being a bad fiduciary. That said, there is a wide range of good you can do and justify it...

    That said, this actually should accomplish a LOT for IBM.

    The target is near-retirees, people that are leaving anyway.

    1. If you lay them off, you risk a age-discrimination class-action suit (SCOTUS just allowed disparate affects in age discrimination, though the bar is set high).

    2. If they join the public workforce, then they probably snap up the yummy government provided benefits, which gets them off IBM's benefits, at least until they retire from their new profession... Who knows, the ludicrous school retiree benefits may kick in in a short-enough time, that this may get some of the people off their benefits long term.

    3. It NEVER hurts to have someone with a MAJORLY positive image of IBM teaching youngsters, the future's consumers and employees. IBM is an old established company, planning for 3 decades isn't unreasonable.

    4. Brain Drain - if the person is going to retire soon anyway, you are losing their skill set. If you keep them on "leave of absence" for two years, you can pick their brain (even if not contracted to help, who wouldn't help their company that they were on leave for when called with a question). Also, if they moved into teaching with IBM's help, they are probably very happy with IBM, and may remain accessible for years helping people with arcane problems.

    This looks like a HUGE win. IBM is able to do something good for the world, and there are enough plausible business benefits to justify it as a proper fiduciary activity.

    Alex