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Kernel.org Moves to Oregon

Bryce writes "Looks like the main kernel.org machine has moved to the Oregon State University Open Source Lab. "Last night, Peter Anvin took master.kernel.org (hera) down and handed it off to his friend, Javier. This morning, Javier flew it up here to Corvallis in his Cessna Skylane. This is the first time the OSL has had a server hand-delivered by plane, and so we were giddy as schoolgirls." Kees Cook, the senior IT guy at OSDL helped them get it installed and configured."

114 comments

  1. Flying Penguin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Penguins CAN fly afterall

    1. Re:Flying Penguin by xPhoenix · · Score: 1

      No no, you've got it all wrong. It means that Cessnas now run Linux.

    2. Re:Flying Penguin by fafaforza · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can you imagine a Beowulf cluste.... oh, no, that would be just down right dangerous.

    3. Re:Flying Penguin by joostje · · Score: 1

      Linux (debian) first visited space in 1997: Debian Rides Space Shuttle.

    4. Re:Flying Penguin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Penguins CAN fly afterall...through Windows!

    5. Re:Flying Penguin by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

      That would be a Beowulf squadron.

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  2. Cool. by lisany · · Score: 1

    Well I have to say I'd be happy as a schoolgirl if someone brought me a server, too. Why was it moved?

    1. Re:Cool. by beset · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have to say I'd be happy as a schoolgirl if schoolgirls brought me a server.

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    2. Re:Cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be happier if somebody brought me a school girl

  3. Crash by Krast0r · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lucky it was the linux kernel, had it been Windows the fate of the plane may well have been sealed.

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    1. Re:Crash by ramblin+billy · · Score: 1, Insightful


      Seems like there's been an awful lot of servers flying around in planes lately. First Sun over Dell and now the Holy Kernal is fleeing California. Could there be more to this than meets the eye? What if these servers have their own agenda? Were the "giddy" geeks the victims of mechanistic mind meddling? Could the servers be dispersing as a "pretakeover" precaution? Could they be preparing for the Great Crash? Could the Holy Kernal have been installed ON TOP of the Mozilla boxes for a reason? Was the Sun server recruiting? Could the first AI have awoken?

      And yes...it does run Linux.

      billy - 'I for one...'

    2. Re:Crash by mrRay720 · · Score: 1

      Would have been good if it had turned up on 'Lost' though.

    3. Re:Crash by TheHawke · · Score: 0

      It it WERE Windows, that poor Cessna would have been overloaded.

      Woe to the poor bastard that breaks the landing gear struts on a vintage Skylane.

      "oops we're overloaded! *watches as the plane starts squatting down at the haunches"

      "not to worry we'll get upgrades" *breaks out a set of floats*

      *watches as the Cessna does a good imitation of Titanic sinking into the water tailfirst*

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  4. Slow news day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Big deal, a computer moved.

  5. Re:Waste by agraupe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Possibly because flying a personal plane is a recreational activity for many people, and if you're building up hours for a commerical license, you have to go flying some place anyway?

  6. Wow. by C-Diddy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Stunning news. Somebody moved. Stop the world, I want to get off.

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    1. Re:Wow. by jleq · · Score: 1

      Stunning news. Somebody moved. Stop the world, I want to get off.

      You must be new around here. :P

    2. Re:Wow. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1
      S...l...o...w...n...e...w...s...day...

      Next article, "Bill Gates opens a refigerator!"

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    3. Re:Wow. by matts-reign · · Score: 1

      Next article, "Bill Gates opens a refigerator!"


      Turns out the fridge runs linux!
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      Waffles rock.
  7. Server moved. News at 11. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't you just love to see the news stories that CmdrTaco reject this morning in favor of this one?

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  8. Obl simpsons quote by Psionicist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gates: You know Ballmer, I think I'll donate a million dollars to the local orphange . . . When a pengiun fly.
    *Both laugh as an airborne pengiun suddenly "flies" by*
    Ballmer: Will you be donating that million dollars now sir?

    1. Re:Obl simpsons quote by Zarhan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny and all, but I think he already did that donation.

    2. Re:Obl simpsons quote by idokus · · Score: 1

      nope he didn't there :)

      the headline FTA: Seattle Children's Home receives $150,000 award from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

    3. Re:Obl simpsons quote by cibus · · Score: 1

      Gates: ehhh... I'd rather not.

  9. But the question is... by Vorondil28 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...did anyone die of dysentery? Or maybe typhoid fever? For me it was always dysentery though.

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    1. Re:But the question is... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      No, but Alan Cox fell off the wagon and drowned, while fording the river - along with four changes of clothes, six bags of wheat and two oxen.

    2. Re:But the question is... by briancurtin · · Score: 0

      i wonder if they stopped to hunt at all, then shot 2600 lbs of food and were only allowed to take back 250 lbs or whatever

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    3. Re:But the question is... by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Better watch out for those thieves. The last time I tried to make it to Oregon, a thief stole six of my oxen! How the fuck does a thief fit six oxen into his pocket?! Mallot space?!

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  10. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by C-Diddy · · Score: 1

    I moved to Austin late last year. It was a big deal, but there is STILL no story about it on Slashdot. Alas.

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  11. Perhaps this explains... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that formerly unexplained bulge that was reported earlier.

  12. Unimpressive by suwain_2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Was this all of kernel.org that was moved over? I noticed no interruption in service.

    However, kernel.org mentions that, as of April, it was being served from "quad Opteron servers, each with 24 GB of RAM and 10 TB of disk." Bandwidth shows that they're routinely pushing almost 300Mbps of traffic.

    The photos show a single, unimpressive 2U machine. Can someone clarify exactly what was moved over, and why?

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    1. Re:Unimpressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beleive it is the server you see when you go to kernel.org, not the files server.

    2. Re:Unimpressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, master is the server that holds the original contents that is later cloned to the other two machines. So when Linus uploads a new kernel, he does it to master and from there it's cloned to the front-end servers.

    3. Re:Unimpressive by kveton · · Score: 5, Informative

      Head-lines crack me up ... it _sounds_ like the whole of kernel.org moved over to the OSL.

      Yes, this is the machine that acts as the "master" in terms of it replicates out to zeus1 and zeus2. The reason it was moved was that hera was hosted behind a T1 and the OSL offered to provide backup services. Its just a 2U box and its not the entire kernel.org ... however, its a pretty important piece.

    4. Re:Unimpressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, around 300Mbps.

      If you take a look though it says 313371!!!!!kbps
      I don't know about the next guy, but I'm proud its at that number.

  13. Of course! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    Aren't all .org sites were supposed to be in Oregon?

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    1. Re:Of course! by Seumas · · Score: 1

      As a life time Oregonian, I have to say that it seems like most people in this (worst job market in the country) state have given up on making a living and having real jobs in exchange for starting "organizations" and free projects. Then again, what do you expect from a bunch of flannel-wearing, pot-smoking, heroin-junkie hippies? :P

      Anyway, for those who don't get what the big deal is - this just shows more of the recent immigration of tech (especially open source) to Oregon in the last few years. Most notably of late, Linus himself.

    2. Re: Of course! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > Then again, what do you expect from a bunch of flannel-wearing, pot-smoking, heroin-junkie hippies?

      Don't lumberjacks wear flannel shirts?

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    3. Re: Of course! by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      "I'm a lumberjack and i'm ok..."

      *scritch*scritch*scritch*

      Except for this itchy shirt!

      ^.^

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    4. Re:Of course! by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      I personally think the TLD should be reserved for porn sites. ;-)

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  14. hope TUX is easy on the BEAV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope TUX is easy on the BEAV (OSU beavers that is)

  15. but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you *are* schoolgirls!

    1. Re:but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, especially that oneiros guy!

      res0's a little plaid skirt too!

  16. Re:Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it that some people must try to find negatives in EVERYTHING?

    A. Not everyone is so much of an environmentalist that they worry about wasting a little bit of gas.

    B. A courier would take longer. There is no faster way of getting something less than a few thousand miles than flying it yourself.

    C. Train? This is the United States. You can't just hop on a train and go somewhere. I don't know about Oregon, but I am over a hundred miles from the nearest Amtrack terminal.

    D. Flying is fun. Maybe they just WANTED to fly it there.

    E. Don't be an ass.

  17. Oregon Trail by bunnyman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linus has dysentery.

    1. Re:Oregon Trail by Kethinov · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pay the Indian or float it... but whatever you do, DON'T ATTEMPT TO FORD THE RIVER! The future of Linux is at stake!! *passes out*

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  18. Heh by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Funny

    I love the caption to this pic, yea . . safe and snug if you drive 10 mph the whole way and take no corners.

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    1. Re:Heh by kveton · · Score: 2, Informative

      I drove slow and steady the whole way to the co-location facility. The machine didn't even budge (there is enough disk in there that its so heavy it can't move).

    2. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still would have been just slightly safer if you had placed in in a seat and buckled it in. No... seriously. I will actualy do that some day.

    3. Re:Heh by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      The question is, how come you don't show traffic numbers for the sites you host? Those of us in the know use Nero's Site But it doesn't brake it down by project. You guys have an absolutely giggly amount of traffic!

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    4. Re:Heh by kveton · · Score: 1

      We're actually working on this right now with an instance of Cacti. We're in the midst of moving into a new data center and were going to wait to update our bandwidth information until after we're on the new switches, etc.

    5. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah, when I want to move a server, I just take it out of the rack, slap an address sticker on it, and hand it to the UPS guy.

      When it reaches it's destination, there's usually enough pieces inside to rebuild the server.

    6. Re:Heh by LordHatrus · · Score: 1

      Ah, but had you been Kibo, you would have focused your captions not on the server's condition, but upon the overworked, underpayed, and oft neglected traffic cones.

  19. Re:Waste by mrRay720 · · Score: 2, Funny

    B. A courier would take longer. There is no faster way of getting something less than a few thousand miles than flying it yourself.

    I don't know about that. 10 metres is less than a few thousand miles, and I know full well that it'd be faster to walk.

  20. Back of the envelope. by reality-bytes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just did a quick calculation for a Turbo Skylane gph into mpg (assume static weather etc) and it works out around 14MPG.

    Now, I'm pretty sure there are a good few SUVs / pickups etc on the US market that do that sort of economy.

    The economy of the Cessna looks even better when you consider it can take the shortest route (staying VFR and barring airspace restrictions) whereas the SUV has to 'dog-leg' around the road network to get where it wants to be. Plus the Skylane consumption is more or less constant. An SUV's consumption can be expected to spike when starting/stopping in traffic.

    Sure, you could give it to a courier but I honestly can't think of a single one I would trust with an important server.

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    1. Re:Back of the envelope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I think of economy, I think money

      As much as a private plane like cessna saves fuel, you have remember that the aviation 100-octane gas is more expensive than car fuel. Also, the high cost of overhauling the engine every x amount of hour, and just the initial training of flying involve requires a lot more overhead in time and (more importantly) money.

      I don't trust couriers either though, although use the insurance and insure it for more then price of the hardware itself (because it has crucial data on it) and back up the data, if the server does get lost/breaks you have even enough money to buy a newer and better and server in oregon, and you might as well just wire the information via internet.

    2. Re:Back of the envelope. by Old+Telco+Guy · · Score: 1
      The economy of the Cessna looks even better when you consider it can take the shortest route (staying VFR and barring airspace restrictions)

      I've found the shortest route is usually IFR, even in VMC. You can usually go direct, or near direct, and just cancel when you have the destination in sight. Takes care of expeditious routing through those pesky class B's and allows you to cruise above 180 if you have the gear and the inclination.

      But for a 20 mile hop, you're right - VFR.

  21. Re:Waste by Seumas · · Score: 1

    A. Not everyone is so much of an environmentalist that they worry about wasting a little bit of gas.

    Good luck fitting in, in Oregon.

    B. A courier would take longer. There is no faster way of getting something less than a few thousand miles than flying it yourself.

    UPS. $210. 10:00AM next morning.

    C. Train? This is the United States. You can't just hop on a train and go somewhere. I don't know about Oregon, but I am over a hundred miles from the nearest Amtrack terminal.

    Union Station, heart of downtown Portland.

  22. Too many eggs in one basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to laugh at Microsoft's amateur network topology. They always made the mistake of clustering everything in to one place, where single points of failure would take out 3/4th of their net.

    So, we've got master.kernel.org along with what looks like an impressive part of mozilla.org... what else is going in there?

    1. Re:Too many eggs in one basket by kveton · · Score: 3, Informative

      master.kernel.org was down for over 12 hours while it was moved and nobody noticed because the front-ends were up and running (so nobody had to care). As for the Mozilla cluster, there is an identical one in California so even if the OSL facility goes down, life goes on.

    2. Re:Too many eggs in one basket by kfg · · Score: 1

      ... what else is going in there?

      Magic smoke and mirrors.

      KFG

    3. Re:Too many eggs in one basket by stu42j · · Score: 1

      Lots of stuff.

      Most notably:
      Debian
      Gentoo
      Freenode.net
      Xiph.org
      Drupal

      Although, at least with the bigger projects, I don't think that any of them have all their eggs in the OSL basket.

  23. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wouldn't you just love to see the news stories that CmdrTaco reject this morning in favor of this one?

    I would love to see the rejected stories. Slashdot should publish rejected stories via a voluntary feed, and let us (the readership) choose what is important and interesting or not. Obviously it would be vulnerable to spamming and trolling, but both could largely be taken care of with a half decent bayesian filter.

    Come on Taco - do it.

  24. trust by zogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't know about you, but something as important as the actual linux kernel server I wouldn't trust to any random hired courier service to carry. When you think about all the other BS ways people waste gas on, something that critical is perfectly OK.

    1. Re:trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, except that in the worse-case senario wherin the server is damaged beyond repair, kernel.org would still remain running, and once a replacement server is shipped out it should take no longr than one week to bring it back up. even shorter of the had an infrastructure backup, so that all they would have to do is load the backup image and copy the data over from the slaves.

    2. Re:trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ever heard of backups? ever heard of insurance? FedEx Custom Critical would be ideal for this

      I'm with the others.. in a time of national crisis and looming oil shortages (and peak oil), this is hardly time to be guzzling away at our precious fossil fuel resources

    3. Re:trust by zogger · · Score: 1

      it's having the machine out of trusted hands. I don't care what insurance you have, out of sight is out of your control. Like when I have moved before, some gets shipped or stored for later move, other stuff travels directly with me in the car. I think also it was the speed factor in this case, they had the ability to go move it quickly and efficiently, and frankly, small airplanes are pretty efficient and fairly fast compared to any ground transport.

      I can think of a lot more ways to save a lot more gas in the US than being picky over one airplane ride for the kernel server. How about fuel taxing any luxury rides at 500%, like jetskis? How about just making illegal any corporate business jets? why even allow lawns when we need more gardens, just eliminate mass lawnmowing. And for that matter, why not triple fuel tax ANY airplane travel to discourage it? Trains are more efficient cross land,and ships are more efficient cross ocean. Them ceos and rich clients can fly coach on public jets or ride the bus or train or some big sailboat across the pond. How about running public school busses to haul around high school "sports" teams? That's kinda silly in a way. Hundreds if not thousands more examples there for fuel "waste".

      It gets down to anyone-you "your" travel for whatever reason you think is cool or necessary is "justified", but the other guys ain't and he's "wasting fuel". i.e. pot meet kettle

  25. Get a life by UberXY · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Being a hetero guy, I will never be as happy as a school girl.

    1. Re:Get a life by smcallah · · Score: 0

      Man, you sound so totally secure with your sexuality .

      So secure that you had to let everyone know what it was, and for THEM to get a life.

      I can smell your testorone from here.

      It's making me horny.

  26. strange route? by Danathar · · Score: 1

    Interesting....

    I work at an Internet2 connected organization.

    www.kernel.org still get's routed over our regular commercial internet backbone. I expected it to go through I2.

    But when I tracerouted master.kernel.org it went over I2.

    How many interfaces with different IP addresses does this thing have?

    1. Re:strange route? by kveton · · Score: 5, Informative

      www.kernel.org != master.kernel.org

      www.kernel.org is comprised of two insanely beefy boxes (see www.kernel.org for the specs). master.k.o is just a 2U 3Ware box where things are built and shoved at the front-end "beefy boxes".

      master.k.o should be connected via I2 and www.kernel.org should not (as far as I know they don't have a path to Internet2 out of the ISC facilities).

  27. Re:Waste by Diellan · · Score: 0

    C. Train? This is the United States. You can't just hop on a train and go somewhere. I don't know about Oregon, but I am over a hundred miles from the nearest Amtrack terminal.

    Union Station, heart of downtown Portland.


    Actually, there's an Amtrack station in Albany, which is some 12-20 miles from Corvallis (depending on which highway you take). Or you can take the Greyhound Bus, which stops -in- Corvallis.

  28. Uh oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That could give new meaning to "server crash"...

  29. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by saitoh · · Score: 1

    many news submissions died to bring us this information...

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  30. Slow Day? by ilyanep · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Not to troll or anything, but it seems to me that there ought to be something more interesting than the kernel.org server moving.

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  31. Re: Of course! ... must ... continue by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

    "...I sleep all night and I whack all day..."

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    Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
  32. Re:Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a station in salem as well.. I know that I've seen amtrak trains going thru corvalis as well.

    Looks like Oregon is slowly becoming the opensource capitol.. yay!

    Good thing I'm majoying in programming with all my electives being unix and linux based..

    Jimi
    www.jimispier.com

  33. Why move from California to Oregon? by Kirkoff · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think the light went on in their mind!

    Q: How many Californians does it take to change a light bulb?

    A: Six. One to turn the bulb, one for support, and four to relate to the experience.

    Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    A: Five. One to change the bulb and four more to chase off the Californians who have come up to relate to the experience.

    -

    So what it's lame? At least it's on topic -- sort of. Shut up.

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    1. Re:Why move from California to Oregon? by winkydink · · Score: 1

      No, no, no. It's

      Q. How many Californians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

      A. None. Californians screw in hot tubs.

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    2. Re:Why move from California to Oregon? by Saberwind · · Score: 1

      There are exactly 42,935,718 letter sized sheets in a square mile.

      Not "exactly". Assuming partial sheets can be used along two edges, your figure is high by about 3/8 of a sheet.

  34. Sweet by kernel_dan · · Score: 1

    I get a 20 ms ping now!

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    1. Re:Sweet by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Too bad they aren't running a QuakeWorld server on it....

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  35. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I moved to Austin late last year. It was a big deal, but there is STILL no story about it on Slashdot. Alas.

    I'm surprised you missed it! Not to mention the dupe a week later. ;)

  36. Not quite by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    A: One. But the one can't be you.

  37. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by rehannan · · Score: 2, Interesting
  38. Re:Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, breaking news: you're an idiot!

  39. Landed in a Beaver Marsh. by baomike · · Score: 1

    Can penguins coexist with beavers?
    Will the beavers knaw on the the cables?
    What will happen at the bottom of the beaver pond when penguin meets beaver?

    1. Re:Landed in a Beaver Marsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kinky sex and a strange son!

      this code is the ba*tard son of a beaver and
      a penguin!

  40. Bandwidth by belg4mit · · Score: 1
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  41. uh... by Sr.+Pato · · Score: 1

    I think that was the joke. :-)

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  42. Personal bathing? by baomike · · Score: 1

    How long has it been since you have fallen in a creek? Maybe you need to again?

  43. Re: Of course! ... must ... continue by maotx · · Score: 1

    "...I put on women's clothing, and hang around in bars..."

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  44. Right in my backyard... by Gr1mm-R34p3r · · Score: 1

    Wow, only 10 blocks away. I'll have to pay a visit to the OSL sometime as there is no excuse ;-)

  45. Re:Waste by dragonman97 · · Score: 4, Informative

    UPS. $210. 10:00AM next morning.

    UPS?! UPS?!!

    There's no way I would every trust something that important to UPS - I'd expect to find the thing with a switchblade in it, as someone had to use the package in 'self-defense' or the box would otherwise be bashed and beaten. If I absolutely had to ship it, I'd use DHL (formerly Airborne Express).

  46. Re:Waste by Seumas · · Score: 1

    I've had more problems with FEDEX than UPS. I shipped my $5,000 1U Rackmount server from Portland to San Jose for $210 and it arrived for installation by 10:00AM the next morning.

    On the other hand, I've had Fedex deliver things (typically anything larger than a shoebox is a bad idea) with terrible results. Like the time they delivered a $1,200 200lb portable air conditioner that was labeled as clearly having to be delivered up three flights of stairs and all they had was a scrawny teenage girl who couldn't even get the package out of the vehicle, much less up the curb and three flights of stairs.

    UPS, on the other hand, delivered my 500lbs of steel (power-rack for olympic barbell lifting) - and arranged to have two people in the UPS truck who carried every package and all 500lbs of it up three flights of stairs and into my living room without so much as a scratch on any of the parts.

  47. Re:Waste by birge · · Score: 1

    Yeah, life is a waste of fossil fuel. Why don't we all just sit in our apartments all day and practice shallow breathing? Your use of a computer to write your post was a waste of fossil fuels, too, wasn't it? Next time leave your computer off, Mr. Gore.

  48. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Erm, digg is even worse than slashdot from what I can see.

    The problem with digg is that it presumes that the people voting are half way intelligent.

  49. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oooh, but there's the rub.

    Isn't that the problem *anytime* *anything* is decided by letting everyone vote?

    Be it "Us the readership" or "We the people", you're gonna run into that one. It's either worth it or not. Pick one.

  50. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Uh, you mean kinda like Kuro5hin does?

    Because that system works soooo well.

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  51. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, I said nothing about any sort of user voting or promotion to the main site.

    I would just like the ability to see all of the rejected submissions, with or without the ability for user comments. I have a general feeling that a lot of useful tech news is passed through Slashdot every day, but of course much of it gets rejected.

  52. Re:Waste by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    I guess my question is, if you're doing Olympic barbell lifting, was carrying a 200lb air conditioner up the stairs a big deal? Seems like that ought to be a good warmup or something. :)

    Just messing with you. I've actually never had a real problem with either, although UPS did drive over a package of mine once. However they were totally upfront with me and called immediately after it happened, and got my insurance check on the way quickly. (Actually as a result of the shipper overvaluing the merchandise, I made a profit at the end of the day.)

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  53. Worrying trend ... by kbahey · · Score: 1

    Recently, a project I contribute to moved to OSL as well (Drupal.org).

    While free bandwidth is always good, I find that more and more projects being concentrated in a single site is not good.

    I think they have Debian there too.

    Suppose this place got hit by a volcano or an earthquake, then what?

    Anyone knows what disaster recovery plan they have?

  54. You miss the purpose of governmental elections by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    The problem with digg is that it presumes that the people voting are half way intelligent.

    Isn't that the problem *anytime* *anything* is decided by letting everyone vote?


    No.

    In the case of the elections in republics (and to some extent in other democratic governmental forms) the purpose of elections is NOT to "tap the wisdom" of the population. It makes NO assumptions that the people are smart.

    The purpose of the election is to find out how the civil war would come out, so you don't have to fight it.

    It doesn't have to be perfect - and can call an election wrong if it is close (provided it also calls the election as close). But if it does a good enough job, and it is BELIEVED to have done so, it stabilizes the country's governance and reduces or elimintaes internal warfare. The losing side realizes that it can't reverse the elction by violence (which would bring a bunch of people out who don't care about the issue but DO care about not reversing elections by warfare.)

    Regardless of his intelligence level you can assume one thing about a voter: Nobody else in the world has a stronger incentive to vote in his interest.

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  55. Re:Waste by drsmithy · · Score: 1
    On the other hand, I've had Fedex deliver things (typically anything larger than a shoebox is a bad idea) with terrible results. Like the time they delivered a $1,200 200lb portable air conditioner that was labeled as clearly having to be delivered up three flights of stairs and all they had was a scrawny teenage girl who couldn't even get the package out of the vehicle, much less up the curb and three flights of stairs.

    That's a pretty generous definition of "portable"...

    UPS, on the other hand, delivered my 500lbs of steel (power-rack for olympic barbell lifting) - and arranged to have two people in the UPS truck who carried every package and all 500lbs of it up three flights of stairs and into my living room without so much as a scratch on any of the parts.

    Ah, now I understand. You probably call 700L refrigerators "portable" as well ;).

  56. Re:Server moved. News at 11. by skochak · · Score: 1

    If that is what you want... maybe you need to check out http://digg.com/

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  57. Re:Waste by agraupe · · Score: 1
    To quote Cleese, in A Fish Called Wanda, "My, my. You are a true vulgarian."

    I'm not sure exactly why you take this so hard, but if you can articulate your objection in a slightly more coherent way, I'd be happy to address it more specifically.