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Ulrich Drepper On The LSB

Posted by Hemos on from the all-life's-a-stage dept.

Sam Lowry writes "In a recent post at his livejournal, Ulrich Drepper criticizes the LSB standard and urges the distributions to drop it." It's an interesting piece; Ulrich raises some good points.

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  1. WE NEED STANDARDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.

    Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".

    Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:

    User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?"
    Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in /tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"

    User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Windows?"
    Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"

    So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.

    1. Re:WE NEED STANDARDS by slashflood · · Score: 1, Troll

      What's wrong with you??? You're posting that again and again!!! See: Comment 1 Comment 2 Comment 3 Comment 4

  2. Huh??? Sorry, this story makes no sense. by mrRay720 · · Score: 0, Troll

    In a recent post at his livejournal... It's an interesting piece; the reason are thought-out well

    I'm sorry, but isn't this the ultimate in oxymorons?

  3. is this really livejournal? by SuperBanana · · Score: 0, Troll
    I took the liberty of making it a little more livejournal-ish.

    Like, there are still loosers out there who think that the LSB has any value..ohmygod, that is SO last week! This just means they're listening to whatever Jenny the head cheerleader says. Ohmygod, my parent's just don't listen to me, and they totally don't understand ABI issues.

    (Seriously, wtf is a technical article doing on a site full of whiny emo-kids?)

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    Please help metamoderate.
  4. Re:who? by _bug_ · · Score: 0, Troll

    Who is Ulrich Drepper, and why should I care about what he says on his LiveJournal?

    Indeed. God forbid you should listen to someone you don't know as a name.

    Clearly a person must be well known to ever put forth a worthwhile idea or argument.

    I think that's part of the political problem that Ulrich dances around when discussing the LSB's lack of usefulness.

  5. Re:I agree, but something needs to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    May be you want try to other linux distributions?

    http://lwn.net/Distributions/

    There's already 462 entries listed.
    Honestly I don't know what and how to choose, but may be you can investigate it?

  6. Speaking of wrong and offtopic by Prototerm · · Score: 0, Troll

    N/T

    --
    "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." --Senator Carl Schurz (1872)
  7. We don't need LSB, That's ineffecient! by MrJerryNormandinSir · · Score: -1, Troll

    An LSB distribution isn't optimized for your target processor. I tried Suse and Fedora in a VM. (compared to a Gentoo Image in a VM)I didn't like it. I'm hooked on Gentoo! Imagine, a distribution that's optimized for your target platform! It works! I've got Gentoo running on my ShuttlePC, Apple G3 (my firewall/IMAP/SMTP/WWW) server, my oldest son's AMD64 desktop. All of these installations are optimized for the hardware they are running on with Gentoo.

    Now, in a DataCenter configuration you could create an optimized base image and setup a
    jumpstart style installation server. This base
    image should only contain the bare essentials to get your servers up and running, the applications
    unique to your hosts could be installed with emerge later on.

    The result, a very fast OS.

  8. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    You are lame to call somebody an asshole anonymously. You are an asshole.

    -Anonymous Coward