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The Implications of Google's Digital Library

Connectmc wrote to mention a CNN article discussing Google's Digital Library project. From the article: "Tony Sanfilippo is of two minds when it comes to Google's ambitious program to scan millions of books and make their text fully searchable on the Internet. On the one hand, Sanfilippo credits the program for boosting sales of obscure titles at Penn State University Press, where he works. On the other, he's worried that Google's plans to create digital copies of books obtained directly from libraries could hurt his industry's long-term revenues."

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  1. Same article 100 years ago... by dougman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    would sound like this: "Buggy-whip makers concerned that new automobile may hurt industry revenues".

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  2. Industry Revenues... by lordsony · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe we shouldn't worry so much about the lost profits, but more about the knowledge we made avaible to the world...

    1. Re:Industry Revenues... by notasheep · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Easy to say when they're not your profits... Why don't you donate your next year's salary to your local library so you can increase the amount of knowledge available to your community?

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    2. Re:Industry Revenues... by MikeFM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At least I don't use the law to keep myself paid. I actually keep producing work so that I can keep getting paid. Funny that if I stop working then I stop getting paid. Rough isn't it? Other's keep using the fruit of my labors but they don't keep paying me over and over?! Shocking.

      Publishers just want the benefit of being paid over and over for the same work rather than having to create new works. Nobody else enjoys such a benefit. Let them profit from selling the physical books (which some of us quite like) but do they really need the sole right to reproduce that content?

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  3. Brick and Mortar?? by Artie_Effim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If someone could explain to me the difference between this and a real LIBRARY I would love to hear it. Other than of course, the full text search available at my fingertips, the quick to get, no return fee aspect. I mean, the information is already 'free' it just becomes available in another media format.

    1. Re:Brick and Mortar?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful



      Well, the primary difference would be that millions of people can access the file simultaneously, whereas in a library, only one person can check out a copy at a time. So... let's say that a library has one copy of a book, and each person checks it out for one week. In one year, that library would only serve 52 people that book. But Google's library could serve thousands of people simultaneously, with no check out/check in to limit it's use. If a library wanted to serve more than one person at a time, it would need to buy additional copies of the book, which would pay back to the publishing company, printing company, distribution company, author.. etc.

      So there's a huge difference there.

      What publishing companies could do however, is set up licensing like software companies do. You can buy software for single use license that says one user for one copy. or you can buy a multi-user license at varying levels for varying prices depending on how many users you want to have using it.

      So Google could purchase a distribution license from the publisher and set the maximum connections to the file depending on the scope of that license.

      Also, there is the additional problem that books in paper media are really hard to reproduce. The easiest way is to break the binding, load it into a photocopier and make crappy copies of the text that way. Not a saleable item either way. You COULD go through the effort of scanning, OCR, layout, and re-print in a nice format, if you wanted... So by making all these books into text format that makes redistribution outside of the license very, very, very easy.. much like the situation with CDs/DVDs/mp3s/Napster/etc.. or the situation software companies have always faced with software pirating.

      So... it means that if we're going to take books into the digital realm, we're going to have to deal with things like licensing schemes, registration schemes, encoding, things like that, in order to keep the industry profitable, and thus in existance.

      However, it will hurt at least some aspects of the industry, and probably increase other aspects of other industries.

      Hopefully it will mean more people will read books more often, which is always good for society.

      _illium
      (sorry no user account here).

  4. Longterm revenues... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't anyone bothered by the fact that companies trying to secure "longterm revenues" are constantly preventing society from progressing as a whole? If a new idea or technology emerges that is going to put you out of business, it's time to do something else. Perpetuating the same crap year after year after year serves no purpose other than hindering progress.

  5. Imagine that! by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    . . . he's worried that Google's plans to create digital copies of books obtained directly from libraries could hurt his industry's long-term revenues.

    Innovation usually reduces demand for the obsolete version. The fact is, books are a pain in the tail to search through any way you look at it. It's about time a serious effort is made to make printed material electronically searchable.

  6. Libraries by COMON$ · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Isnt this the whole purpose of libraries anyway? To make knowledge available to the public that would normally only be available to the rich or well connected?

    A man should be no more afraid of google's attempt to digitize information than a library's ability to purchase and distribute books for free.

    On a side note, I am more likely to buy the paper version of a book than sitting and reading it off of a LCD display. Which I assume the average person would do the same.

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  7. Googutenberg by timeToy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just like Gutenberg disrupted the Copyist Monk industry few century ago, Google library has the potential to completely change the way people find books, is it bad ? is it good ? I think it's just different and easier for the book's end user: us.

  8. Out-of-print titles? by Brunellus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've always wanted a service like this--not for books that are in print and thus (relatively) easy to get, but for books that are out of print, and have been out of print for years.

    I'm thinking particularly about relatively obscure academic books, which have short print runs...It's somewhat frustrating when you're researching to learn that yes, someone has already explored a particular line of questioning, but that his work is no longer in print and thus not easily available

    Fortunately, at least some publishers are becoming responsive to this need. The Cambridge University Press have begun a print-on-demand service. Here's hoping it catches on.

  9. Afraid of what exactly? by JordanL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've learned that whenever an industry tries to resist progress/technology they always get the short end of the stick.

    People want things faster and easier, and what people want ultimately will force, especially in a capitalist society (or something close to it), even non-profit industries to adapt.

    RIAA resisted technology, and look what happened. Apple did not, and as such iTunes has been one of the greatest success stories in a while.

    Books have been books for a very long time. I enjoy having a book in my hand, and that's how I would prefer to read it, but you wouldn't believe how many times I have been reading or re-reading a book and wished that I had a search function to look up this specific phrase that I remembered.

    Google may get flak from Universities and publishers for its project, but ultimately, they are filling a void in a way that has been much needed for a very long time. It's an improvement, and that in itself will perpetuate the progress of Google's project, whether or not its Google who continues it.

  10. Re:What's He Complaining About? by fireboy1919 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article, "Under the Print Library Project, Google is scanning millions of copyright books from libraries at Harvard, Michigan and Stanford along with out-of-copyright materials there and at two other libraries."

    So they're not just making it easier to do what is already legal; that's what project Gutenburg does. This is something else entirely.

    I don't know...text against black and illuminated text is much easier on the eyes than books are. Not having to turn pages makes it faster, and being able to read in the dark is kind of nice. I don't know why you'd want to read on a laptop when there are plenty of good tiny PDAs that fit the bill and are smaller than books.

    Here are the reasons I've been given for reading from dead wood:
    "I like the feel and smell of pages."
    "I like to turn the pages."
    "I like the feel of a book in my hands."
    "Reading from my PDA makes my eyes hurt"
    "I don't have a place to get e-books."

    All of those are reasons based upon the fact that they've gotten used to doing it that way except the last two. The last two generations (within four years) of PDAs alleviate the second to last concern, and the last one is only a matter of time.

    When there is a generation that starts by reading electronically, they won't want to go back, since in the nonsubjective ways reading electronically is pretty much universally better, so book publishers are very much in trouble.

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  11. First you must understand the meaning of copyright by DaoudaW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Copyright law exists for two reasons. First, it provides the author and/or publisher with certain rights which allows them a profit. But it then, and maybe more importantly in this case, provides the consumer with certain rights regarding the use of copyrighted material. If copyright locked down material to the extent that many people believe it would be difficult to gain any benefit from access to information. These consumer rights are usually referred to as "fair use." Two major examples of fair use are libraries and book reviews.

    IANAL, but in TFA, a lawyer opined that Google also had a strong case for protection under fair use. No it's not the same as a brick and mortar library, but Google traded off having a limited number of copies of a book for limiting a clients access within a book. Book reviews have long been held to be protected by fair-use and they often quote long passages of a book. Google provides the opportunity to look inside a book without mediation by a reviewer, but serves much the same function in helping the consumer decide whether the book is an important resource for them.