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Under the Hood of Office 12

An anonymous reader writes "ZDNet has posted an FAQ on Office 12, plus a quick preview of Office 12 pre-Beta 1. From the review: Microsoft Office 12.0 pre-Beta 1 drastically revamps the interface layouts of Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Access. More than a year before the final product will hit the shelves, a pre-beta version of Microsoft Office 12.0 is revealing radical interface changes and user paradigm shifts that recall the overly ambitious Microsoft Office 97 update of the past."

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  1. Clippy? by Pichu0102 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clippy? What have they done to you, Clippy? Clippy? Clippy? CLIPPY! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    1. Re:Clippy? by mrjb · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unlike the late Clippy, a ghostly text-formatting toolbar hovers near your cursor; it fades or darkens in response to your mouse movements. Right-clicking a mouse will reveal the same task-specific menu choices as offered in the masthead banner. (cues creepy music) I see dead Clippies...

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    2. Re:Clippy? by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you fire up an Office app you may be surprised to find that the name of the Office Assistant in question is actually Clippit. Not Clippy.

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    3. Re:Clippy? by hrm · · Score: 5, Funny

      So now Clippy will give birth to two children (staples?), one of which will cause Ballmer to turn on Gates and restore balance to the source?

      Interesting times ahead...

    4. Re:Clippy? by xs650 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Right, Chessy

  2. Competition driving innovation by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...or the appearance of innovation, anyway.

    Interesting tightrope Microsoft is being forced to walk here...if they don't change things enough, they still have OpenOffice and StarOffice nipping at their heels, but if they change too much, they risk alienating their established user base.

    The real question is: Just how much can you improve an office suite, before it's 'good enough'? Many Office users (my employers included) feel Office 2003 is just fine, and have no plans whatsoever for Office 12. Other offices I've seen have standardized on Offive XP, or even Office 2000, and steadfastly refuse to upgrade. When these holdouts finally do upgrade, it's only because they are having issues with using documents from other facilities that are in the new format (non-backward-compatible by design...thank you so much, Bill), and when they do, they commonly skip at least one release.

    The bottom line is that the strategy of staying out ahead of competitors like OpenOffice and StarOffice is becoming increasing untenable as the office suite becomes more and more complex and capable, and closer and closer to the ideal of 'good enough' for the average user.

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    1. Re:Competition driving innovation by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you're right. Moreover, now is a good time for users to consider OOo because there is going to be these interface changes to Office 12. As long as you're learning something new it might as well be something that isn't costing you an arm and a leg, no? Add to that the fact that it's open and there's a huge opportunity for OOo.

    2. Re:Competition driving innovation by tpgp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      feel Office 2003 is just fine, and have no plans whatsoever for Office 12. Other offices I've seen have standardized on Offive XP, or even Office 2000, and steadfastly refuse to upgrade.

      Indeed. I used to work for an extremely large company in Australia - they are still standardised on Office 97 on Windows NT.

      They see no business motive to change - and frankly, I think they're taking the right approach. If they wait long enough, they will be able to "jump sideways" as it were to a completely open solution, with no loss in functionality and vastly improved management.

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    3. Re:Competition driving innovation by Zemplar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The real question is: Just how much can you improve an office suite, before it's 'good enough'? Many Office users (my employers included) feel Office 2003 is just fine"

      I can tell you that there is great room to improve Excel, good as it is. Many statistical functions in Excel need work in addition to addressing the poor memory limits - and I don't mean a marginal bump as is common with most Excel upgrades. Someday I'd also like to be able to address more than 65,536 rows and 256 columns.

      Threading in Excel is poor! Admittedly this is not an issue for your average user.

      So basically Microsoft will only marginally update Office for power users needing an extra speed or function fix and totally rework the GUI for the newbies to gawk at. Unfortunately this is a good business move if your business is to simply make as much money as possible from upgrades.

    4. Re:Competition driving innovation by utnow · · Score: 5, Informative

      I installed OOo a few days ago for the express purpose of never having to deal with office again. I REALLY REALLY wanted it to be good. Sadly, I uninstalled it less than 5 minutes later. It's come a long way, but side-by-side with Office... well you get what you pay for.

      And to head all of the jokes about bugs that I'm paying for, I'm saying that Office is better.

    5. Re:Competition driving innovation by MarkWatson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hello utnow,

      Only tried it for 5 minutes? That does not seem like long enough for a good evaluation.

      I'm an author (nothing good on TV, so might as well write :-) and I wrote two published books with OOo.

      Yes, I do own Office licences for Windows and OS X, but I find that OOo just stays out of my way so I can get my work done.

      I also very much like the drawing program for technical figures.

      Give it another try :-)

      -Mark

  3. Nothing beats Office 97 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing will ever top Office 97 for what it brought the table when it came out. They made it too good - several versions later and most people probably can't tell the difference, except for Outlook, which has changed more than the other apps in the suite. Is it possible that we don't need new versions of Office coming out every couple years anymore?

  4. Awesome new feature!! by coolGuyZak · · Score: 5, Funny
    You'll be able to make changes to attributes such as font style and watch your document transform in real time

    This has got to be the most innovative thing to come out of Microsoft in years.

    1. Re:Awesome new feature!! by Manip · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know you're joking but I've seen this feature and its nothing to be turning your nose at. You have a drop down list (with pictures of sized letters, not sizes) and as you move your mouse over them the text in the document (or selected) resized allowing you to find what you want without clicking the size box more than once.

      It is one of those That is *so* obvious features that ends up in every product because it is just so *DUHHH* after someone popularises the concept. :-)

  5. Whooosh! by Coimhad+fearg+fhear · · Score: 5, Funny

    As long as the new version of Office allows you to use that cool "Whoooshing" noise between slides in Powerpoint I'll be happy.
    Not that I ever use Powerpoint, honest...

  6. This will call for extra training by bogaboga · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The radical change that M$ is introducing in Office 12 will call for training. I vividly remember what effect Office 95 had on our users.

    The trouble here is that more of technology pundits will not see this requirement as an additional cost burden at all! So when it comes to comparing Office 12 to StarOffice/OpenOffice.org, assumptions will be made that those using M$ products already have the training.

    StarOffice/OpenOffice.org programmers could capitalize on this, save companies the trouble or burden of training. This is not to mention licensing costs not forgetting closed and changing formats.

  7. Re:RIP by Alranor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Personally I don't want clippy to RIP.

    I want it to suffer eternal torment in the fires of silicon hell, where daemons will flay it continally until the end of time.

    "It looks like you're trying to inflict agonies beyond belief on me, would you like so.... aaargh, no, no, stop with the poker! Anything but the poker, pleeeaase!"

    But that's just me.

  8. Re:Why exactly is it called Office 12? by buro9 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Internal numbering... major number goes up for each suite release.

    From my blog dated a month ago:

    "
    Microsoft have been using internal numbers for their major Office release for some time:
    Office 9 = Microsoft Office 2000
    Office 10 = Microsoft Office XP
    Office 11 = Microsoft Office 2003

    And right now they are in pre-beta with Office 12... yet to be assigned a product name (or yet to be announced depending on whether you believe what you hear).

    A curiosity though, I've just been conversing with a product manager in the globalisation team over a feature that the company I work for would dearly like, during this conversation she mentioned that the feature in question would not be in Office 12, but some part of it will be considered for Office 14.

    Office 14? So what happened to Office 13?

    Could it be that Microsoft are superstitious enough to not want to number a feature version of Office as Office 13?
    Or am I reading too much into this, and did they just use Excel to do the numbering?

    Maybe someone should point out to them that missing 13 doesn't make it any less Office 13.
    "

  9. Screenshots by neosake · · Score: 5, Informative

    Definitely, check out these screenshots, I mean I haven't tried it but this ribbon thingy doesn't strike me as intuitive as the menu paradigm we're used to.

    Microsoft's Screenshot
    Zdnet series of screenshots

    Plus it takes loads of screen real-estate.

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  10. Re:Why exactly is it called Office 12? by timster121 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe someone should point out to them that missing 13 doesn't make it any less Office 13.

    Obligatory Mitch Hedburg:

    "My hotel doesn't have a 13th floor because of superstition. But people on the 14th floor, you know what floor you're really on.!"

    "If 13 is an unlucky number, then 12 and 14 are guilty by association."

  11. Past good enough for most users. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Office really is way past good enough for most users. My office uses Office 2000 and really doesn't see a big need to jump to Office XP or 2003. Office 12? Big harry deal. I wonder if Microsoft will have to start droping the price.

    What I really wonder is why no big PC companies like Dell, IBM, or Gateway are including OpenOffice with their PCs?
    Seems like a brain dead way to give your customers a free office suit. I guess the answer is they are all hoping to sell you MS Office.
    Maybe Gateway/Emachine should think about it.

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  12. Upgrade Cost by saddino · · Score: 5, Funny

    What will it cost?
    Microsoft hasn't yet specified.


    Translation: prepared to be raked over the coals for failing to upgrade from Office 97 for all these years. You don't think those dinosaur ads pay for themselves do you?

  13. Re:Where is office 11 ? by coolGuyZak · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Paraphrasing/compiling the parent:

    New feature -> Translated as:

    1. Tabbed browsing -> Ripoff off Firefox
    2. Missing menus -> Bye bye familiarity
    3. Clippy replaced with a Ghost -> Transparency showoffs
    4. Shortcuts change for no reason -> Alt keys are teh suck
    5. Task oriented design -> All users are idiots

    And now appraoched in turn:

    1. A couple things about this one:
      • Firefox was not the first application to feature tabbed browsing.
      • User interfaces are "ripped off" all the time. When someone comes out with a good idea, others copy it. This is a good thing, as it allows evolutionary development. Say the first person to come out with the button had patented (and enforced) it. We'd all be screwed.
    2. Sometimes familarity has to be sacrificed for the sake of advancement. This will irritate more than a few users though.
    3. Mostly, yeh. But I can see if having its uses. Personally, I'd rather have smart tags similar to the ones in VS2005. They're hot.
    4. True, but when I lose mouse support, it would be nice if my computer is still usable :)
    5. Even if all users are idiots, that doesn't mean that they are second-class computer citizens. As a matter of fact, since "All users are idiots" it would make sense to tailor the interface to them.
      A mental exercise: Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that "not all users are idiots". Changing from a "functionality based" system to a "task based" system still has benefits:
      • Users can learn the interface faster, as it makes more sense to them.
      • Users can access the interface faster, because all of the tools they need for a particular task are grouped together.
      • The interface has the potential to becomes less cluttered, as only tools pertinent to your task are displayed.

    Before anyone tries to "call me out", I am not a MS shill or apologist. (May be a KDE apologist, though).

  14. Undo past save? by JPyObjC+Dude · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I personally will not install any Beta microsoft product so I cannot verify.

    Does anybody know if they finally have undo past savepoints.

    Because of my experience with MSO (been using since Excel 4.0) is that it is best to save the document ALL the time else the app will crash and you will loose hours of work. BUT when you save, you loose the undo history :[

    MSO up to now has never had this feature (bad programmers BAD).

    BTW - OOo has this feature in 2.0 :]

    God I love open source

    JsD

  15. Office 97 is still good enough for me... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I still install Office 97 on every Windows computer I own. There are no license key or registration "phone home" issues to deal with and it's a pretty lean word processor compared to the others out there today. Honestly, I can't tell you what features have been added to Office in the last 8 years that would be of any use to me.

  16. Pushing Vista by Murgatroyd · · Score: 5, Funny
    My favorite part of the FAQ:
    Will Office 12 require Windows Vista?
    No. Although there were some initial plans to more tightly couple the new products, they will work independently of one another. There may be some features that "light up" only when a user is running Vista, however.
    Like... oh, maybe, "Save Document"?