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KDE 3.5 Beta 1 Announced

christchurch writes "The KDE Project has announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.5 Beta 1, dubbed "Kanzler". This will be the last major release in the KDE 3 series. Qt 3.3.5 was released too late to adapt to it and it shows some fundamental compilation problems. We had a preview of KDE 3.5 two months ago."

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  1. Already running it! by Mishura · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its pretty cool. Hasn't crashed yet. If you are running Kubuntu, you can go to this site: http://kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php and get the hookup.

    1. Re:Already running it! by Mishura · · Score: 2, Informative
      Lets see, everytime I try to use Transparency or drop shadows (in KDE 3.4.2) it wouldn't work. It wouldn't crash, just give me an error message.

      Haven't tried it yet with 3.5.. no point really. My system gets bogged down if I'm running amaroK and something else thats big. I do like the new mouseover effects on the taskbar (hover mouse over clock when you upgrade. Thats cool.) As far as speed goes.. feels just as fast as 3.4. I've only had it installed for about 4 hours, so.. I'll find out the little quirks later.

      Big selling point: Konqueror ad-blocking. Now I can use that instead of Firefox, which is slow. Plus Konqueror handles media types better than the mplayerplug-in hack that Firefox uses (launch in Kaffeine).

  2. Old news again! by BestNicksRTaken · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can whoever it is that reads osnews.com stop posting copies to Slashdot 4 days later?

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    1. Re:Old news again! by m50d · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not OSNews, it's KDE Dot, the summary is identical. This happened with the Qt 4 release too, even though I'd submitted a better version. I think the way to get stories approved is to bribe the /. editors.

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  3. But... by PowerPunk · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...is it Merkel or Schröder?

  4. Re:3.6? by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone think we can port KDE to Windows? It will be really cool if instead of explorer we boot up into KDE. Just an interesting possibility. I know something like this has been done before but its not as good as having complete KDE or Gnome!

  5. Re:KDE NEEDS WYSIWYG PRINTING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    it was one of the Google Summer of Code projects
    http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/pagedmedia.h tml

    it is in trunk, will be in 4.0

  6. Konqueror succeeds at ACID2 and gets Adblock! by Einherjer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Konqueror (I suppose with the Apple patches in, thanks guys) now succeeds at rendering the ACID2 Webstandard-Tests (yes, we know that it's not an official standard. Firefox still can't do this.

    And best of all, its got AdBlock-like functionality integrated, that works like a charm. Even with the Filter G Set for Mozilla Adblock.

    That's one less user for Firefox, I'm sticking to Konqueror now as it is faster and not as memory-greedy.

    Check it out!

    1. Re:Konqueror succeeds at ACID2 and gets Adblock! by zecg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use KDE and would gladly browse using Konqueror, if only Scrapbook (http://amb.vis.ne.jp/mozilla/scrapbook/) wasn't da shit.

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    2. Re:Konqueror succeeds at ACID2 and gets Adblock! by Einherjer · · Score: 2, Informative
    3. Re:Konqueror succeeds at ACID2 and gets Adblock! by Einherjer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure I understand your point here.

      Are you an Apple developer so you know that they are "newbie developers" ? Do you know that they littered their source? Have you even looked at WebCore?
      I did, and it is one of the tightest integration of an HTML engine I've ever seen.
      I presume you miss the goal of what was to accomplish:

      1. the KHTML want to make a full-fledged HTML engine
      2. the Apple guys want to make an Apple Webbrowser(!)

      there are fundamentally different concepts of the two being compatible in the process of engineering. that the KHTML guys wanted to know what they did is understandable, as per required by the license, but, once more, the Apple guys were never obliged to make the
      source "generic" as the KHTML engine would need it (one could wish).
      it was only after this reputation clash, that they opened up all of their WebCore to show their good will.

      so no bad rep. to apple for this. also no bad rep. to khtml for this. why?
      because in the end, what matters is, that both of the projects improved.

    4. Re:Konqueror succeeds at ACID2 and gets Adblock! by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Everything you want to do can be achieved by hand editing the user profiles, and then putting a 'load profile' button in your main toolbar.

      Define separate homes for browsing and file managing.

      I believe you can specify target windows for file manager tabs. You'd need to edit your default file manager profile

      Any of the KDE window settings can be defined in the view profile, and it will be specific to the profile.

      The only problem is you can't get multiple bars for the user profiles on your toolbar, just a 'load profile' button

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  7. Re:3.6? by Psiren · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone think we can port KDE to Windows?

    I seem to remember reading somewhere that Qt4 would make this a distinct possibility, or at least make it easier to contemplate doing it. I don't know if there would be any interest in doing such a thing, but time will tell.

  8. Re:KDE NEEDS WYSIWYG PRINTING by chill · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have not had a problem with printing from KWord using CUPS as the printing service and the standard KDE interface to it. The print preview looks just like the output, as does what is on the screen in KWord.

    I haven't tried it in Konqueror or KMail, but if you're having a problem it is probably something to do with KHTML's interpretation. That is a known issue and being actively worked on. It was part of Google's "Summer of Code".

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  9. Doh! by uberjoe · · Score: 4, Funny
    Qt 3.3.5 was released too late to adapt to it and it shows some fundamental compilation problems

    Oh Krap!

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  10. Website information by Shotgun · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why should I care?

    Really, in the best writing classes that I've ever taken, the instructed always made the point that a writer should always be first concerned with why would the reader care about the subject matter.

    I looked all over KDE's website. About all I could find was "Here's a new beta. Try it and tell us what you think." But, nowhere did it give me any reason to want to try it. I use KDE on a production basis, but there's no reason for me to go poking around and messing with stuff that ain't broken unless there is some benefit to realize.

    Hey, guys and gals. I know ya'll've been working on something. What have you fixed/upgraded/added?

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    1. Re:Website information by mkro · · Score: 5, Informative

      KDE 3.5 feature plan. Green is finished, yellow is in progress, red not started.
      Anyone tried the MSN and Yahoo webcam support in Kopete yet?

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    2. Re:Website information by sillysnipes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IMHO I have to agree.

      Take the recent Gnome release. A few screenshots, a bit of bragging about what they felt was cool and a simple overview that showed they had added some interesting stuff. Got me interested enough to go look at Ubuntu.

      Now look at the KDE. All we have is a feature plan which isn't even directly linked to anywhere on the page. Now add that a lot of people aren't interested in how replacing the klistbox with a klistview will improve usability. The end result is that the average user won't get the information that tells them why 3.5 is going to rock their world, and compel them to upgrade.

      Sure its a beta, but even then, it would be nice to know what is planned/implemented thats in plain English.

    3. Re:Website information by Klivian · · Score: 2, Informative

      The end result is that the average user won't get the information that tells them why

      It's a beta and it really tells it all. If you are not interested in helping finding bugs to make the 3.5 release better, this release is not for you. That's essentially what betas are for, not the average user.

  11. Alternative native Window Mangers for Windows by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Why not? Someone ported Afterstep to Windows. It was a native port, too, not using Cygwin. It should be possible for someone to examine how the replacement of the Windows GUI was achieved, and the X calls shouldn't pose a problem as KDE uses Qt, and Qt will run under Windows. Anything KDE doesn't do through Qt should be solvable by looking to see how the Afterstep port solved the problem.


    What I'd LOVE to see is someone porting the full KDE system to run natively on Windows, then write a layer that'll handle Windows GUI calls and DirectX through KDE. A screenshot of that would freak out so many people...

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  12. Re:Two Words by bsartist · · Score: 2, Informative

    A dialog box pops up where you can select the printer that you want to use under Name:. so wtf r u talking about?

    Perhaps if you spent more time reading standard English and less time using "cute" messaging baby-talk, you'd understand. The OP didn't say he has a problem selecting a printer. He said he has a problem printing the current selection. That is, the currently selected text.

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  13. Re:3.6? by m50d · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a target for 4.0, since Qt wasn't free on windows before V4. However, there's already a working cygwin version and partial pure native port at http://kde-cygwin.sf.net/

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  14. Re:3.6? by Rich · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, since the release of Qt 4, Qt has been GPL on win32 as well as unix and Mac. Plans to change the way KDE is split up were discussed at akademy that should make a win32 version easier, as will the move away from autoconf/automake to a new build system. Some parts of KDE such as kjs can already be built on win32, but there are many other parts that would need quite substantial work to port. That said, there is already a cygwin port of KDE that can be used right now.

  15. Wha? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Funny

    Kanzler? I thought Microsoft's beta naming conventions were goofy, but after Mandriva and now Kanzler, I think a torch has been passed.

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    1. Re:Wha? by Nasarius · · Score: 4, Informative
      Kanzler? I thought Microsoft's beta naming conventions were goofy, but after Mandriva and now Kanzler, I think a torch has been passed.

      Like many of their other release names, it's German. And probably a reference to the current election mess in Germany (Kanzler = chancellor).

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  16. Re:KDE NEEDS WYSIWYG PRINTING by bsartist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    HTML isn't WYSIWYG. Browsers can and do render pages differently for display vs. printing. If a separate style sheet is supplied for printing, the difference can be drastic.

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  17. Re:kiolucene vs beagle by Knome_fan · · Score: 3, Informative

    kiolucene doesn't search the content of files, so comparing it to beagle is a very stupid attempt a trolling at best.

    However, there also is kio_beagle, wich let's you use beagle from within konqueror.
    http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2 8437

    And while we are at it, there is of course kat, which is roughly the kde equivalent to beagle right now. Kat will see a major redisign in the next version according to the developers and will work together with kiolucene.

  18. Re:Better yet... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative
    Snapshots exist for Qt 4, so why not do a port for that?

    Erm, that's what KDE 4 is.

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  19. Re:Better yet... by Bralkein · · Score: 2, Informative

    KDE 4 has been underway for a little while now, and all of the software is being ported over to Qt 4. If you read this little article, then maybe it will help you see what they're doing.

  20. Re:Two Words by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny
    But KDE is low on the WAF. (Wife Acceptance Factor)

    KDE's WAF an KidAF scores are pretty high in my household. Maybe you need to upgrade your W?

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  21. Re:KDE still has a long way to go! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative
    However, one thing that tweaks me about both DEs, still, is that they go out and clone xterm. Uuh, why?

    <feed object="troll">For starters, because xterm doesn't have tabs. Second, because most people don't want to edit .Xdefaults to change their console font. Those two alone are enough for me.</feed>

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  22. Re:good linux desktop by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What might be good is a Windows-alike that doesn't do the XP-bloat thing.

    For some folks, at least. As for me, while I still use a lot of KDE apps (including Konqueror for my file manager), I switched to WindowMaker for my desktop about a month ago and immediately noticed a performance boost. (2.8 GHZ Pentium with 1GB RAM that's less than a year old, so it's not exactly ancient hardware I'm using here.) Starting a wterm takes about a fifth as long as it does to fire up Konsole, for instance, and switching desktops is also much faster. Running WM on my new laptop has proven a bit tricky with the touchpad (wayyy too sensitive and there doesn't seem to be any easy means of adjusting it), so I blew a big 20 bucks on a mini-mouse and now it's golden.

    I find that I'm heaps more productive since I made the change.

    On the eye-candy end of things, WM themes are so easy to make that my mom could probably do it. ;)

    The only thing I miss from KDE is the Kalendar popup taskbar applet, and I have yet to find a WM equivalent.

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  23. Re:good linux desktop by cozziewozzie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to do this for the longest time. I ran Afterstep with a kde session running in the background. Then, at work, I ran WindowMaker using the same setup.

    Eventually, I found that KWin can be configured to work almost exactly like AfterStep (which was my ideal WM for a long time), and that it isn't in fact any slower.

    Now I'm simply running a full KDE desktop. It looks a lot like AfterStep, and nothing like a regular KDE default, but i find it works just as well as AS/WM and it saves me some trouble.

    Similarly, I learned to love Konsole, although I used to be an aterm diehard.

    With time, KDE caught up with my special requirements, while getting more stable, featureful and faster.

  24. Konsole and KDE desktop switching by shani · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Starting a wterm takes about a fifth as long as it does to fire up Konsole, for instance, and switching desktops is also much faster.

    I am running on a 1.7 GHz laptop right now, and it takes less than one second to start up Konsole:
    $ time konsole -e "/bin/echo"

    real 0m0.603s
    user 0m0.409s
    sys 0m0.033s
    Did you actually time the startup of the shell? Even if you did, do you really notice the 0.5 seconds of difference? For myself, KDE's "bloat" actually increases my efficiency, because I can create a new tab in Konsole rather than opening a new shell.

    As for the desktop switching... the desktops switch faster than I can click - I tried to use the hotkeys to outrun the system (Ctrl-F1, Ctrl-F2, ...), but it is faster than I am.

    KDE is not inherently slow.