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Are Cell Viruses A Real Threat Now?

Celpha writes "According to security firm F-Secure, a Trojan virus (Cardtrap.A) attacks Symbian mobile phone operating systems, attempting to infect users' PCs if they insert the phone's memory card into their computers. From the article: 'We expect to see more of this on the mobile front,' an F-Secure chief research officer said. Trend Micro issued a media alert stating it is a 'fully functioning' mobile threat. However, Antivirus firm Sophos slams the claim of this first example of a serious mobile malware threat as just plain bonkers."

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  1. Heh by Walkiry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'We expect to see more of this on the mobile front,'

    I bet you do, as you are probably already hard at work to make it happen.

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  2. Cell Phones by certel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone knew this was coming. Anything that has any type of software code will eventually be exploited or tried to be exploited at some point.

  3. You better believe it's a threat. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting


    TrendMicro claims that the Symbos_Cardtrp.A trojan is a "fully functioning threat", while Sophos dissmisses the entire thing as "bonkers". I'm thinking that the truth is rather in the middle.

    The Symbos_Cardtrp.A trojan is one of the first clumsy attempts at this sort of thing, but we all know that the malware only gets more sophisticated and polished over time. People certainly should be alarmed about the appearance of this trojan...not because it itself is all that threatening, but because it clearly demonstrates the potential for mischief.

    As Raimund Genes, president of the firm's European Operations, said: "This attack is really a proof of concept and may be an indication of a new type of blended threat to come." You can bet that as cellphones become more sophisicated and more interconnected to our computers, malware authors are going to turn this into a genuine threat.

    In short, while it's rather sensationalistic to tout this as a "fully functioning threat", claiming that there is nothingto worry about disingenuous in the extreme. Sophos' claim that paying attenton to this threat distracts sysadmins from the "real threat" of attacks on Windows desktops is pure sheepdip. Imagine if we dismissed out of hand the new threat of infection via USB thumbdrives, because we were all too busy paying attention to the "real threat" of infection over the network?

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    1. Re:You better believe it's a threat. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You can bet that as cellphones become more sophisicated and more interconnected to our computers, malware authors are going to turn this into a genuine threat.

      An objective observer (which the various anti-virus people probably aren't) might ask why a mobile phone needs to become "more sophisticated" in the first place. My phone was a freebie about four years ago when I signed up, and still has way more features than I ever want or need.

      Give me a good phone book feature, voice, text messaging and some sort of answerphone if I can't take a call. I don't need it to be a low quality digital camera, hard-to-use PDA, sub-standard web browser, trivial calculator, poor-capacity MP3 player, pathetically quiet alarm clock, and all the other junk. Nor do I need it to run some super-complicated operating system that's ripe for attacking.

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    2. Re:You better believe it's a threat. by black+mariah · · Score: 4, Insightful
      My phone was a freebie about four years ago when I signed up, and still has way more features than I ever want or need.
      I highlighted the key words there for you. You may not use those features, but someone does, and probably on a very regular basis.
      I don't need it to be a low quality digital camera, hard-to-use PDA, sub-standard web browser, trivial calculator, poor-capacity MP3 player, pathetically quiet alarm clock, and all the other junk. Nor do I need it to run some super-complicated operating system that's ripe for attacking.
      So you'd rather carry around a camera, a PDA, a calculator, an MP3 player, an alarm clock, and all the other junk instead of having it all in one convenient package? I hope you have a lot of pockets...
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    3. Re:You better believe it's a threat. by Alistar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yea, thats your opinion. I have a Treo and I use the various advanced functions of it everyday, well except the camera, stupid vga camera. The address book, alarms, contacts, mobile e-mail, fairly advanced graphing and calculatory functions, a multitude of clock and timer functions, memos, encrypted memos, having important data with me on the go, editing and reviewing documents, etc. Ill admit, I don't use the camera or music playing capabilities of it, but everything else allows me to stay ahead of problems in my business.

    4. Re:You better believe it's a threat. by black+mariah · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I love how there are so many total fucking Luddites on a supposed tech forum.

      How many people would really miss any of these features if they weren't there?
      How many people would REALLY miss their cell phone at all? If you get into such stupid questions as "Who NEEDS that?" the answer is always "Well, nobody really NEEDS it... it's just nice to have if you have a use for it."
      There's a huge difference between having a real PDA and some token naff organiser thing on a mobile phone. A real MP3 player would have far more capacity than the recently announced phones. A real calculator or computer system can blow away anything integrated into any phone I've ever seen. A real digital camera can produce vastly higher resolution images than any phone.
      So fucking what if you can store 12,000 songs on your new whiz-bang MP3 player? Even at home I'm rarely listening to more than 20-30 songs in rotation so having enough room for that many songs on a phone is a nice feature. Okay, a real calculator can beat up a phone calculator... so what? Who uses a calculator so often that they carry one in their pocket every day? But how many that almost never use one will be glad there's one on their phone that one time they need it? Why are you worried about the resolution of a camera phone anyway? The point isn't super shiny photo-quality images the point is to send something immediately.

      For every argument you make against including something on a phone, I can make ten why it SHOULD be on there.
      Even ignoring that, how often do people really need to take all of these things everywhere they go anyway? I don't see the convenience, nor even the novelty value, and apparently neither does pretty much everyone I know or walk past in the street.
      The question isn't "how often do people need to take these things with them?", it's "how often do you need these things and not have them?"
      I'll bet you a drink that when large parts of mobile phone networks start dying because all the 3G/4G devices running $MOBILE_OS got infected with a virus within minutes, people find giving up all the naff extras a small price to pay for being able to make a call when they need to.
      Line up the Red Bull, 'cause I'll be thirsty. Cameras, text messaging, PDA functionality, MP3 players... they make too much sense and are too useful to give up.

      Like I said before, YOU might not find these things useful, but SOMEONE does.

      If one in a hundred people find a use for something, that's 3.5 million people that use it in this country alone. That's a LOT of potential users for something that is trivial to implement and will only bother people that are large enough asshats to complain about something that has no impact on their life whatsoever.
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  4. Cell Viruses are the most common! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    I thought the computer term virus CAME from Cell Viruses. Now we are using Cell Virus to talk about cell PHONE viruses?

    yeah, my Motorola phone caught a cold, and it passed it along to my PC.

  5. Just Windows. by kihjin · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you are going to quote some one, quote them completely.

    From TFA(emphasis mine):
    "We expect to see more of this on the mobile front," Hypponen said. "We may begin to see Windows viruses spreading to PDAs that are synched up to computers, or go from PCs to mobile phones with the memory card."

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  6. Focus you energy. by OctoberSky · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am calling on all hackers and script kiddies to stop writing malicious code for cell phones and start writing codes that allow me to get a connection (place a call) without my carrier knowing.

    $39.99+ is far too much to pay per month. I want free calling. And I am not talking about cloning, I am talking about getting on Verizons antenna and placing calls from my phone without them seeing it, or seeing who owns the phone.

  7. Re:I'll give it 3 comments by welshwaterloo · · Score: 3, Funny
    Does anyone come here for serious discussion anymore?

    No, I came here for a good argument..

  8. Simplicity is the key to beating this easily... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just buy a damn PHONE. You know. Those things that used to just go ring-ring, and you pick it up and talk on it and maybe keep an address book on? I still use a Motorola V60 flip phone. No windows/PalmOS/WinOS/WinCE/PocketPC/2003 crap to worry about. Ring tones? No thanks. I'm not 13 anymore, trying to make some sort of 17-second "statement" to the crowd around my ringing phone. Sometimes simplicity is the key. K.I.S.S. metheodology is still around for a reason.

  9. Got paid to develop Trojans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I got paid by a major company in the mobile field to develop Trojan horses for Java, Symbian, PalmOS and Windows Smartphone.

    The goal was not to release "in the wild" but to showcase the need for funding for mobile phone security.

    Nevertheless, pretty much nothing has been done even though modern smartphone OSes are incredibly close to allowing excellent OS security (MMU enables kernel / user separation).

    It's pretty easy to do fancy stuff once you get in the mindset of an attacker. Like waking up the phone at midnight to place calls to a premium number. One doesn't even need to stack-smash to have fun (that is harder on ARM platforms bc you have to develop your own shellcode anyway).

    The problem is especially important for wireless operators because people pay with their mobile phone. While that is the basis of revenue, it also enables major fraud (very much akin to what the "dialer kits" do to modem owners by silently ringing 900 numbers).

    Examples:

      * There's a WAP (wireless browsing) service where you can download ringtones for $2. What if a program on your phone starts downloading those silently?

      * In some countries SMS are charged with a premium. What if a program are sending premium SMS without your knowing?

    Of course it's also important for users ("what if a Trojan posts my phone book to some website", "what if a Trojan gets my location from the network and gives it to my wife". It's also important for security that the phone not be transformed into a jammer by changes in the radio firmware / software, but that's harder to do.

    Hopefully the players involved will wake up before we find a nasty one in the wild.

  10. Still just a trojan... by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Informative


    It irritates me when trojans are lumped with the virus crowd. This requires a user to ACCEPT and INSTALL the application before it becomes an issue, it is useless without that user interaction.

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    1. Re:Still just a trojan... by FirienFirien · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, the average phone user is not so virus savvy as the average computer user. To wit, a semi-quoted example from an article from earlier - may have been slashdot, probably wired magazine or similar though.

      User gets notification on phone. Accept or reject? Reject.
      User gets notification on phone again. Accept or reject? Reject.
      Repeat line above a few times. A virus doesn't care about the user rejecting it, and will keep trying to give it. User (hooray for the general public, sigh) eventually presses accept. Granted, this doesn't happen every time... but I bet you know a fair number of people who would, even out of curiosity.

      And there's your issue. If this thing keeps popping up on someone's phone - especially if they're trying to do something else, like dial a number - there's a good chance that they'll get irritated enough before moving out of range.

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  11. Get with the times, Grampa! by MrBoombasticfantasti · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, you are a Luddite, we know. Some of us actually like to have a phone with all the bells and whistles because it saves hauling around a dozen other devices like an mp3 player, a camera and pda. Need internet? I'll whip out my phone and can connect to any Wifi, UMTS or GPRS network. I even use Skype to save on long distance calls.

    But I suppose you drive around a horse and carriage too...

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  12. Re:I'll give it 3 comments by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry, this is abuse.

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  13. Cell "phones" by BarkLouder · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh, cell "phones" . . . . . whew!

  14. Cell viruses? by ftoomch · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've always been threatened by cell viruses, in fact I have a bad cold at the moment.

    Surely it's cellphone viruses the article refers to guys.

  15. Cell Phone Viruses would pose no threat if.... by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cell companies would make cell phones that didn't rely upon such an exploitable OS.

    Granted Symbian is nice, looks pretty, but everyone I know with a cell phone running Symbian also complains that the phone is so slow to respond.

    All the old Nokia phones were extremely fast, responsive (no 3-4 second lag waiting to go back a screen just to look at one freaking phone number) and best of all, didn't require such an exploitable OS because at the time, it was all hardware logic-control.

    I don't know what the OS is on my Kyocera Phantom phone, but even it's slow to respond to keystrokes, and it doesn't have all those little capabilities that most phones nowdays have.

    Simply put, as long as phone companies use software instead of hardware to control a phone, there will always be a threat of software infection.

    Just an opinion...

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  16. Dirty telephone by Aerion · · Score: 3, Funny

    What? Phone viruses?

    Damn, we shouldn't have sent all those telephone cleaners off in the B ark!

  17. Don't blame the user, they are human. by BillGodfrey · · Score: 2, Interesting
    (Full article at http://billpg.me.uk/2005/09/barbarians-at-mobile-p hone.html )

    Selected extract...

    A good model to follow could be something similar to Flash files. Commonly seen used in animations, a program inside a flash file can do a lot. Here's a jigsaw puzzle. Here's a simple arcade game. Here's a collaborative document editing system.

    Flash implements a full program language, but the program's wings are clipped. Unlike regular executables, a flash program can't interfere with other programs and it can't mess with files it doesn't own. Add a way allowing programs to interact with other components (including the file system) with a strict and manageable protocol, and there's no big need for any program to run unrestricted. (Except the operating system and the occasional device driver, that is.)