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Top 50 Science Fiction TV Shows

pbaumgar writes "Boston.com is running an article discussing their top 50 Sci-Fi TV shows of all-time. What are some of your favorites?" From the article: "Number 10 -'Sliders. 'Sliders' should have been a widespread hit, but it was ahead of its time. The show was about a wiz-kid genius Quinn Mallory, played by Jerry O'Connell, and his band of three companions who slide among Earth's alternate realities. Toward the end of the series, the show quickly slid in quality as three of its stars - O'Connell, Sabrina Lloyd and John Rhys-Davies - departed and were replaced by others. A tragic demise to a fine show." They don't even give a nod to greatest-trek-of-all-time DS9, so I don't know about this list.

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  1. Flamebait Squared by jpardey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot is not a place for a reasonable discussion of Sci-Fi shows. This might hurt someone's karma...

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    1. Re:Flamebait Squared by nmb3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Flamebait? No, no. Slashdot is the perfect place to post this. In fact, I'd be surprised if the folks at Boston didn't submit it themselves. After all:

      3. Get 50 ad-ridden pages semi-related to scifi posted to a tech site with almost a million readers.
      2. ???
      1. Profit!

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  2. ranking by hungrygrue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dr Who was relegated to number 8 while Stargate got number 6?! Something is very wrong with this list.

    1. Re:ranking by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also, oddly they say it ran from 1963 to 1989...

      Hmmm, you know... I could swear I saw something on BBC 1 called Dr. something a short while back.. I wonder what it could be.

      Also, as a strange side note.. some of the shows they listed can hardly be described as "Sci-Fi", I'd say they thought: "Let's make a top 50 list of the greatest sci-fi shows ever!" and then kinda got bored half-way through and just started adding shows they liked as kids regardless whether they be sci-fi or not.

    2. Re:ranking by Rew190 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      BSG has proven to be interesting but the writers are stuck on the idea that changing the sex of known characters constitutes "unique" changes. After the premier that "stunt" loses all meaning.

      There is also the possibility that the series is highly rated because it's simply a good show and not because it is completely "unique" from the original.

      The fact that Starbuck used to be a guy doesn't have any impact on that unless you're stuck on the original series. Starbuck being a woman has created some interesting plot points, and the "stunt" you were referring to has only been made a big deal by detractors, not the producers. It has never been a major selling point to watch the show.

      BSG is doing well because it's simply a good, entertaining, and thoughtful show. The end.

    3. Re:ranking by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My complaint is that The Twilight Zone (Original Rod Serling version) was way down the list. That was easily the greatest Speculative Fiction series ever made for TV. Easily. Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Trek: TNG were good series, true, but not as good as Twilight Zone. Some of the greatest SF/Fantasy writers ever wrote for it, and I most emphatically include Rod Serling among their number.

      The Twilight Zone will stand the test of time. It already has since it's a creature of the late 1950s to early 1960s. While so much of what is on the list will be forgotten, it will remain a classic.

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    4. Re:ranking by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you didn't read closely.

      When Starbuck was presented as a woman that indeed was unique and a good change to make. After listening to the podcast for Pegasus the writers seem to think that it still is original to recast male characters are female characters. The whole story of multiple Boomers, who used to be a male character, also is a great touch because they did something with the character other than changing the sex. The problem that currently exist with the Starbuck character is that it is very little different from the first Starbuck other than sex. It would be nice to see some creativity in regards to the character.

      Strong female characters are needed in Science Fiction. Too often we get bouncing boobs on horses or what boils down to girls on trampolines. BSG comes close to these violations much more this second season as compared to the first.

      Some good strong female characters from science fiction shows.

      Samantha Carter : Stargate SG-1
      Delenn : B5
      Susan Ivanova : B5
      Ensign Ro : ST:DS9
      Captain Janeway : Star Trek Voyager

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    5. Re:ranking by Ubergrendle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That was painful to see, but when Battlestar Galactica (new) after ONE SEASON ranked higher than both is ridiculous in the extreme.

      I loved the old Dr Who, but I can see reasons why you'd give Star Trek or Twilight Zone a leg up. Unfortunately most of what passes for "Sci Fi" nowadays is Space Opera w/ Wild On chicks given scientist roles. IMHO the last decent sci-fi series was the first half of the X-Files... nothing in the past 5+ years has much to do with science at all... is space-fantasy at best.

      Keep in mind this list also includes "Lost", and "Xena Warrior Princess"... not very sci-fi IMHO.

      PS Where's "Max Headroom"? "Probe"? There's _lots_ of short-lived TV series that had more legitimate SF themes.

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    6. Re:ranking by zaax · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exactly it shouldn't be in the list at all.

  3. No Max Headroom? by jdunlevy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wah??

    1. Re:No Max Headroom? by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Max Headroom would have defenitely gotten my vote. But this list is shit anyway. Voyager is 12 but Firefly is 17? Blasphemey.

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    2. Re:No Max Headroom? by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yea That is a crime. They also left out.
      Red Dwarf.
      Blake's Seven.
      Star Cops. I really liked that one from the BBC.
      Both series called Probe. Probe from the 80s was written by Asimov no less. I didn't remember Probe from the 70s until I looked up the one from the 80s. It could be redone today.
      You also had Time Tunnel from the 60s
      I dream of Jeanne! Think about it. It had fantasy, the guy was an Astronaut. It was as much science fiction as say Buffy, or Third Rock. It was also very popular.
      And the almost forgotten Planet of the Apes TV series.
      And of course a HUGE Hit show that seems to be totaly forgotten from the list... Mork and Mindy!

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  4. Moore's still up there. by feyhunde · · Score: 2, Insightful
    They do screw up by leaving out DS9. However BSG is #2 and they comment along the lines that it would be #1 if it wasn't new.

    Moore's better baby did pretty damn well.

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  5. Um, hello by scolby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are better sci fi shows than Farscape, but there aren't 50 sci fi shows better than Farscape. What a horrible omission from that list.

    1. Re:Um, hello by Klivian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Totally agree, Farscape are a definite top ten. The list is plainly flawed, lacking both Farscape and Red Dwarf.

    2. Re:Um, hello by GroovyChk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No doubt! I kept expecting to see Farscape - then I got to the top five and thought wow - they gave it proper credit - then boom - no Farscape. WTF?

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    3. Re:Um, hello by Braedley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Didn't even notice that. Farscape deffinately should be there. And whats with the fantasy and super hero shows? If they're gonna include them, they should say so.

  6. I'm not sure of the list either. by DarkBlackFox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Come on, they put the Thunderbirds in front of Futurama... That's just wrong.

  7. Space Above and Beyond by vspazv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It only lasted a single season but I really liked Space, Above and Beyond.

    1. Re:Space Above and Beyond by Coryoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have to agree. As someone else said of Farscape, there are better SF shows, but there certainly aren't 50 of them! How it could be left off (along with Farscape and Red Dwarf apparently) is a mystery to me. Sure, it started poorly, but the last 2/3rds of the season were great. It had a lot more darkness and grit than many SF shows.

      Also a little cnfusing is that while they managed to pick up Nowhere Man (which was a surprisingly good show all things considered) they somehow neglected The Prisoner (to which Nowhere Man owes a great deal).

      And how exactly does Firefly finish behind Voyager and Xena?

      Seems like a real slap dash hodge podge to me.

      Jedidiah.

    2. Re:Space Above and Beyond by ParadoxicalPostulate · · Score: 2, Interesting

      SAAB was definitely one of the more promising Sci-Fi shows around.

      It was mature in that there were no ridiculous alien species and warfare was very much a serious business - there was less reliance on rely on flashy special effects and cool guns or technobabble and more focus on conflict and tragic destruction. I remember vaguely the episode "Abandon All Hope" where

      It was human in that the main characters were flawed in ways that were fundamental and related to their scarred past. It wasn't the sort of cheap comical character flaws (Roddney McKay in SG:A) which provide for briefly interesting/amusing plot elements but ultimately fail to make up a significant and serious part of the character. In SAAB, these people were struggling with inner demons on a daily (or episodic) basis, and they often made mistakes. The human race as a whole made many mistakes (the AIs, In-Vitros, Season 1 finale) which made viewers question themselves as human beings.

      Space: Above and Beyond was mature, it was human, and it was classic in its grittiness. It reminds me of my favorite show of all time, the new Battlestar Galactica, which is at the moment enjoying immense success. Honestly, now that I think about it, I'm led to wonder why SAAB didn't get the same reception. Sure, BSG is far removed in quality from anything we've ever seen before - but SAAB almost shares a cousin-like resemblence to it, at least to my mind.

    3. Re:Space Above and Beyond by ilyaaohell · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong. This is the best SAAB website: http://www.cyberpursuits.com/heckifiknow/saab/defa ult.asp They have one of the finest Multimedia sections I've ever seen for any show. Full downloads of the entire soundtrack, a HUNDRED video clips... this is just a motherload of content. This show is everything that the new Battlestar Galactica is (#2 on their list). SAAB was truly ahead of it's time with it's long story arc, outstanding characters you really cared for, fantastic special effects, a realistic, gritty feel, and so many of the episodes were written like award-winning sci-fi short stories. Great, great show.

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    4. Re:Space Above and Beyond by Coryoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "no cheap and lazy 'holodeck' plot contrivances"
      Well you had space ships with wings that banked like airplanes, I do not remember how they solved that whole FTL thing. And if I remember right they often had the fighter jocks land there space planes and become ground pounders.
      It may have been enjoyable but no cheap and lazy contrivances?


      Less than a lot of shows. It compares pretty well to the new BSG actually. The ships actually had control jets front and back (similar to BSG) and while they did have a tendency to do too much airplane style maneuvering, they did at least have some acknowledgement of the sorts of control systems required. They solved the whole FTL thing the same way everyone else does - they cheated and had some sort of hyperspace "jump". Find me an SF TV show that has some careful considered and well explained FTL system. And as for the last point - they were supposed to be "marines" thus mixing space and land combat - it's not an entirely unreasonable suggestion and, for instance, BSG does much the same thing: the pilots often find themselves acting and land troops.

      Which is not to say it wasn't without plot contrivances, but they weren't of the "cheap lazy" form that all the holodeck and alternate dimension adn so on episodes of Trek.

      Jedidiah.

    5. Re:Space Above and Beyond by Tatarize · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, that was a little stupid. They had a few other references that were just out of the way. As a general rule of sci-fi, you don't make any references to religion (unless it's an alien religion). But, SAAB was a good show, in fact, I think episode 17 "Sugar Dirt" was the best episode of any scifi show ever.

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    6. Re:Space Above and Beyond by wakdjunkaga · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yes, it does seem odd that Space Above and Beyond (or Star Trek:Deep Space 9, for that matter) aren't on The Boston Globe's reviewer's radars, yet shows which have no to little Sci-Fi content (Buffy, Xena, Tales from the Crypt ... mostly fantasy, horror, and occult themes) are.

      Sci-Fi, after all, means Science Fiction - a genre considering the implications of science (both by extending known physical laws, and speculating what would happen under a different set of physical laws) upon individuals and society at large.

      Space Above and Beyond closely matches, to my mind at least, a vision of Science Fiction compatible to that posited by masters of the 'golden age' - Asimov, Heinlein, A.C. Clarke, Bradbury, et al., and did a good job of exploring that realm. Too bad it was produced for only one season.

      It is interesting to note that ten percent of the listed series (five of fifty) have strong linkage back to Gene Roddenbury's vision - the three Star Trek series, as well as Earth Final Conflict and Andromeda.

    7. Re:Space Above and Beyond by william_w_bush · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, food for thought indeed.

      I see that resemblence, but in a way BSG has more hope, there is more room for "gee what if". SAAB had a relatively confined, military story, just soldiers trying to get through the war. BSG (not counting pegasus) was dark, but every episode tried to give you hope that, even though your race was killed in a horrific nuclear holocaust, and you were running from an inplacable foe with little or no resources, things were kinda looking up.

      That said I still love SAAB more than any series till BSG, but they were short on plot points and heavy on character development, which is great, but not exactly what people tune into sci-fi for (laser guns going
      "pyoo-pyoo!", big explosions, fast ships, and klingon boobs?)

      It was a bit too real, and seriously depressing, but a great show, sigh.

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  8. Science Fiction? by Dionysus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have a pretty weird definition of science fiction. I mean, The Man from U.N.C.L.E.? Mystery Science Theater 3000? Tales from the Crypt? Avengers? Batman? Buffy? Why not Friends while you're at it? I mean, a New York without any colored people?

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    1. Re:Science Fiction? by unapersson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless you have a particularly narrow definition of Science Fiction, most of those fit. For example, The Avengers had invading plants from space, killer robots etc. How can you not call it Science Fiction?

    2. Re:Science Fiction? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Informative

      " They have a pretty weird definition of science fiction"

      The media industry, in deciding what genre a show is, can't slice the pie too fine, or the definitions become useless. They are more likely to define the genres according to audience, since that's what advertisers want to see. So, no Horror-fantasy, Horror, High Fantasy, or Historical Fantasy genre labels for us.

      Given that the media industry has so much influence on public perception of things, is it surprising that people slowly change how they label things to fit the media labels?

      From http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Science_ficti on_on_television:

      "There is some ambiguity as to what exactly "science fiction" covers in terms of television. In recent years, the term has come to cover any programme that deals in the fantastical or even merely the horrific, such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Charmed or Angel. More accurately these programmes are not science fiction as they don't involve any real scientific element, and are perhaps more comfortably covered under the generic term "telefantasy"."

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  9. Buffy? by oxymor00n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Buffy the vampire (s)layer a sci-fi-show? I suspect they pulled this list out of their ass..

    1. Re:Buffy? by Slow+Smurf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you miss Xena? I didn't read the entire list.

      Though in their defense, Xena had at least one episode about cloning in modern times. On a similar note, Buffy had the occasional episode that could qualify equally well as science fiction(Robot buffy, the Internet using robot in season 1, etc). Neither were.

  10. Science Fiction?!! by nebaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sorry, and I'm sure this is beating a dead horse, but Superman, Batman, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, et als. are not SCIENCE FICTION. Granted, there may be a correlation between the viewership of said shows, but these shows don't even pretend to be futuristic, or contain a science element at all. Batman, maybe, but I hate it when people lump these things all under the "sci fi" umbrella. This is why we have all this horror shlock on the Sci-Fi channel and things like Farscape get cancelled.

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    1. Re:Science Fiction?!! by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, but when you are talking about blood sucking vampires (Buffy et al), you've left the realm of Science Fiction and entered fantasy.

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    2. Re:Science Fiction?!! by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aliens don't make science fiction.

      Science fiction needs two elements - *science* and *fiction*. Everything else is just fluff.

      Superman and Buffy have no science elements. They are merely fiction.

  11. Re:DS9??? by Ismilar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But have you seen the list?
    A lot of those shows aren't Science Fiction.

  12. No Lexx? by satanami69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The top ten of this list I can agree with. Lost isn't even close to sci-fi, but man, how do you leave off Lexx from this list? Nothing grabbed my attention(and made me cover myself with a pillow) more than that show did.

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    1. Re:No Lexx? by anticypher · · Score: 2, Informative

      If they just hadn't made that fourth season, Lexx might have made the list. The first season's four movies were great, showing the result of the four creators fleshing out their story, characters, CGI artwork, and background details for over a decade. Every idea they had went into crafting that universe, and it showed. The movies were good enough to get the series picked up for at least two more seasons, but by then they were out of ideas, and the 2nd and 3rd seasons were abyssimal.

      To get the series funded they were forced to bring in an investment group from Germany. There was too much interference by their German investors, who insisted on making the characters more into extreme cariactures, putting lots of T&A into every scene, and attempting to be a german star trek rip-off. The Stanley character became too annoying and lost any depth that was present during the movies.

      The fourth season was unwatchable, I've only been able to stomach about three of the episodes, and have relied on friend's opinions to keep me well away from the rest. Its what happens when a series has jumped the shark so far they know they have nothing left to lose and just shamelessly stole every movie cliche but forgot to add anything to the process.

      the AC

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  13. They forgot the #1 Sci-Fi show! by dada21 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I watched it once, it was too alien to me.

    Synapsis: This head alien interrogates others like it regarding its numerous abuses by Man. Freaky episodes about the aliens' fashion, body morphing in their latter life stage, even discussions about how they can get their alien race to win the Presidency.

    Eerie.

  14. Re:I call shenanigans... by bryce1012 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Um, they ranked the new BSG #2.

  15. The Prisoner by ettlz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Greatest 50, my arse! Where's The Prisoner?

    1. Re:The Prisoner by Oracle+of+Bandwidth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who is number one? Exatly!

    2. Re:The Prisoner by pauljlucas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Prisoner (despite Netflix's incorrect synopsis) isn't science fiction. It's a cold-war-era spy story.

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    3. Re:The Prisoner by cowboy_small · · Score: 2, Informative
      I guess I just saw The Prisoner in the same tradition as Philip K. Dick's masterpieces (who, as I'm sure you've gathered, happens to be one of my favourite authors). I was specifically thinking of the theme of the individual who finds himself captive in a fake reality...

      Also from Wikipedia;


      "In 2002 the series won the Prometheus Hall of Fame Award. In 2005, readers of SFX magazine awarded the series fifth place in a poll of fantasy television programmes"


      So it seems I'm not alone in regarding it as science fiction.

      J.K.
  16. Best sf show by MsWillow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hands down, Farscape. Well-thought-out, well-scripted, believable aliens, and an interesting ship. 'S a crying shame that the SciFi channel pulled the plug. I really miss it. It made cable tv worth the money - that, and F1 racing.

    Next best is an oldie: The Prisoner. If you're under 40, you likely missed it. :( #6 just refused to cave in, and he won... or did he?

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  17. firefly? by cavetroll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't believe no one seems to have mentioned this yet, slashdot is not normally short of firefly fanboys. Not that it actually deserves top spot, that should belong to Babylon 5, with Blake's 7 in second, but IMO firefly should still have made top 10

  18. Re:DS9??? by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't see why a sci-fi series shouldn't have a soap-operatic quality to it. Babylon 5 (and, on its heels, DS9) showed other sci-fi writers that a long-term, overarching plot is well-received by many sci-fi fans. Witness Voyager, on the other hand, where the only thing tying the shows together was this "Oh Noes, We're A Bazillion Light Years From Home" thing, while five minutes before the end of every episode they pushed the Magic Reset Button to solve their problem and restore the plot to the way it was when the episode started.

    These days, every episode of Stargate SG-1/Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica (some of the most popular current sci-fi) is based on the entire series up until that point (in fact, the first line in most episodes of SG-1 these days is Chris Judge saying, "Previously, on Stargate SG-1...").

    Besides, the soap operatic plot of most sci-fi shows holds up to scrutiny a lot better than most actual soap operas: "I love you, but.... I have amnesia!"

  19. list as high quality as navigation by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, this list is clearly just a cheap method to generate ad revenue, but if we give the paper the benifit of the doubt, I think the list is a bit daft.

    Xena, though a fine show, is hardly a science fiction. It has none of the technology, exploration of current social problems, or even exploration of various cultures. Pretty much it just a medeival cop show.

    Sliders was not ahead of it's time. It was just another huckleberry finn, star trek, docotor who knockoff with none of the redeeming factors. It is quite suitable for the adolecent maile, with a good role model, a pretty girl into geeks, and trivial story line. However, there are no layers that might make it interesting to an adult. The writing was woodden, even by scifi standards.

    One contemporary scifi show that is seldom mentioned is 'The Cape'. Based on reality, good exploration life, and how we might move forward. Much more interesting than anything I saw on that list, though the show only works if you ignore current reality, as is true for most scifi.

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  20. Full Listing by scovetta · · Score: 5, Informative

    From scovetta.blogspot.com:

    50. 'Earth - Final Conflict'
    49. 'The Wild Wild West'
    48. '3rd Rock From The Sun'
    47. 'Buck Rogers in the 25th Century'
    46. 'That Was Then'
    45. 'The Greatest American Hero'
    44. 'Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman'
    43. 'Nowhere Man'
    42. 'Science Fiction Theatre'
    41. 'Futurama'
    40. 'The Thunderbirds'
    39. 'The Man from U.N.C.L.E.'
    38. 'Batman'
    37. 'Space 1999'
    36. 'The Bionic Woman'
    35. 'Battlestar Galactica' (Original)
    34. 'The Avengers'
    33. 'Lost In Space'
    32. 'My Favorite Martian'
    31. 'Alien Nation'
    30. 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea'
    29. 'The Six Million Dollar Man'
    28. 'Adventures of Superman'
    27. 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'
    26. 'Stargate Atlantis'
    25. 'The Jetsons'
    24. 'Wonder Woman'
    23. 'Tales from the Crypt'
    22. 'Andromeda'
    21. 'Quantum Leap'
    20. 'The Hitchhiker'
    19. 'Dark Angel'
    18. 'V'
    17. 'Firefly'
    16. 'Flash Gordon'
    15. 'Logan's Run'
    14. 'Star Trek Voyager'
    13. 'The Outer Limits'
    12. 'Xena: Warrior Princess'
    11. 'Lost'
    10. 'Sliders'
    9. 'Mystery Science Theater 3000'
    8. 'Dr. Who'
    7. 'The Twilight Zone'
    6. 'Stargate SG-1'
    5. 'Babylon 5'
    4. 'The X-Files'
    3. 'Star Trek: The Next Generation'
    2. 'Battlestar Galactica' (New)
    1. 'Star Trek' (Original)

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    1. Re:Full Listing by Aphrika · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Top 10 missing ones:

      Red Dwarf
      Blake's 7
      Battle of the Planets (C'mon, Futurama's in there!)
      Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
      DS9
      Lexx
      The Prisoner
      Seaquest DSV
      Stingray
      Captain Scarlett

      Seems someone's got selective-memoryitis...

  21. Re:Sliders by JamesD_UK · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've heard John Rhys-Davies in person speak about his leaving sliders. It was several years ago and so I'd probably not even try and quote what he actually said whilst I was present, the gist of it was that he left because although he loved the concept of the series he saw it already going downhill before he decided to leave. I think he's been quite public about this and I managed to find this quote.

    "I like SF. I love intelligent SF," Rhys-Davies says in his deep basso voice. "When you come across good writing, and I think 'Scorpion' was finely written, it's a wonderful thing. I had just come through a period where the contractual nature of my job obliged me to take scripts that frankly wouldn't get past Writing 101. We had the most wonderful series concept with Sliders, but we did everything that had been done before and we did it every damned episode. We did Species. We did Tremors. We did Twister. We did War of the Worlds. We did The Island of Dr. Moreau. It was out of control, just out of control.

    "I think Tracy did a nice job early on. We had our differences and we fought occasionally. In the end, Sliders wasn't the worst experience I ever had. I was just disappointed. Again, I love SF. I'm a passionate believer in Sliders. The series could have been great. The public always understood the of Sliders. The public understood that you could go anywhere in the galaxy. The writers, though, would try to graft a Law and Order story, or something they had done or seen before, onto Sliders and just make the characters work around it."

  22. ad revenue by boarder · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Post list of top 50 things a geek cares about.
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    2. Make list available one item per time on a page heavy with ads

    3. Post link to /.

    4. There is no ..., just straight profit from the geeks clicking through 50 pages of ads.

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  23. There's Something Really Scary About This ... by Lemurmania · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You do realize that arguing about this list makes you sound like the Comic Book Guy on the Simpsons, right? I'm serious. Just read some of the threads in his voice, and it sounds like a custom-made script, a soliloquy of unrequited geek passion.

  24. Sci-Fi? Nah, Fantasy.. by WarwickRyan · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..and they missed the best fantasy show of them all.

  25. Re:Sliders by Seumas · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was already going hill and that's why John Rhys Davies left. He wanted Sliders to continue to be good science fiction and venture into more solid, hard science fiction whereas the rest of the powers that be wanted the show to be more light and fluffy and typical crap that qualifies, these days, as scifi. So, he left.

    I've always liked him, but after that decision, I gained a lot of respect for him as a professional. And the fact that they couldn't keep a solid cast stringed together afterward just shows how important he actually was to the series. I mean, every week it was a different person out of the cast and another in. Including the two O'Connell brothers.

    But at least the show had the super hot military chick. Yum.

  26. Who is number one? by Oracle+of+Bandwidth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Where is The Prisioner? I mean it's not exatly Sci-fi, but neither is this list, and at least it was innovative.

  27. Re:Star Trek DS9 Was truly superior by Seumas · · Score: 2, Funny

    The only good Star Trek was TNG - and that's only in comparison to the other Star Trek spinoffs. Otherwise, comparing Star Trek series is like comparing the color of different shits. Yes, there are slight differences, but they're all still steaming turds.

  28. Doctor Who: 1963-2007 (at least) by pauljlucas · · Score: 5, Informative
    Also, oddly they say it ran from 1963 to 1989... Hmmm, you know... I could swear I saw something on BBC 1 called Dr. something a short while back.. I wonder what it could be.
    Doctor Who was resurrected in 2005; 2006 is in production, and has been green-lighted through 2007.
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    1. Re:Doctor Who: 1963-2007 (at least) by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Doctor Who was resurrected in 2005; 2006 is in production, and has been green-lighted through 2007."

      Not only that, but the resurrection also brought in a munch needed jump in the quality of the show. The filming is better, the writing is better, and the effects don't look like MST3K anymore. Hehe.

      I'm starting to realize that a lot of complaints about these shows are by people who haven't invested in them. I didn't like Farscape or B5, but man, I honestly can't say I've seen more than 5 eps of either. So who am I to make declaritive comments about either? (Sorry, this isn't in reply to your comment, I've just seen a flood of bickering over all of the shows sucking.)

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    2. Re:Doctor Who: 1963-2007 (at least) by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "As you've said repeatedly. People who want to have their SciFi spoon-fed to them with a predictable Star Trek space opera format will not like Farscape. Something original is out of many viewers' comfort zone, but it's too bad that it resulted in the cancellation of a show that appealed to fans of real science fiction."

      Oh brother. First, Farscape died because it was too dependent on cathing every single episode. Second, enough of the elitist bullshit. I can't believe how obnoxious the Farscape fans I've talked to are. I'm sorry that a show you loved died, I truely am. It really sucks when a good show (Futurama, Miracles, Firefly, Quantum Leap, etc) has its life tragically cut shot. But to act as though you're opearting on some higher level is irritating. You may have made the time to watch and fully appreciate Farscape, but not everybody can. Star Trek was more accessible, that's why it was successful. TV is a luxury. Tastes are wildly diverse. If you catch a bizarre show and you have no fucking clue what's going on, it's not because you're simple. It's hard for a show to work if it demands that you stick to its schedule.

      In any event, these are fortunate times for sci-fi. Lots of people have DVRs and entire seasons of TV shows are selling well on DVD. It's difficult to imagine a show like BSG making it 10 years ago. Just this week I finally talked a friend of mine into catching an episode of it. He was really really confused. He didn't understand who the Cylons were. (it worked a lot better on the original series where the Cylons were all big toasters.) He didn't understand what the conflict was about. Well I could keep going. But at the very least he has a DVR. Maybe when the show runs its course again he can catch it and fully appreciate it. It would be awful, though, to judge him harshly for not being in his 'comfort zone'. It's not his fault. Fortunately, BSG stands to succeed.

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  29. Re:Too bad... by Kohath · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah. Don't the writers know that TV is about pure, accurate depictions of science? You'd think they were trying to entertain us or something! Stupid unenlightened TV writers!

    That's why I only watch PBS and listen to NPR -- so I can be safe from entertainment and news about regular people.

  30. Re:New BSG is #2? WTF? by Oracle+of+Bandwidth · · Score: 2

    I kinda enjoyed the old BSG, but I have to agree, I find the new one fairly unwatchable.

  31. Can we mod an entire *News Article* as Flamebait? by Vthornheart · · Score: 5, Funny
    "They don't even give a nod to greatest-trek-of-all-time DS9"

    Flamebait (-1)

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  32. Saturday Afternoon by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well we (you and me too) are all here on a Saturday afternoon reading (and replying to) Slashdot, ya know. That's already pretty nerdy and kinda implies we don't have too much of a life to begin with.

  33. Re:Star Trek DS9 Was truly superior by Jeff85 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    DS9 was superior to all of the Treks. You can't beat the Dominion War arc that spanned the last 3 seasons. All the characters were great, though I was disappointed they killed off Jadzia and replaced her with Ezri. Though I'll admit maybe they overdid it with Vic's sometimes, the one where they have to put the jack-in-the-box away was pretty good. Ronald Moore writes great storylines.

    Voyager was pretty bad, I thought. I can't believe they put that in the top 50 and not DS9. Too many episodes about the doctor or how holograms have taken over their ship. I mean, how many times did Voyager get captured by aliens in the delta quadrant? I remember one episode in particular about how they had an opportunity to return to the alpha quadrant via a wormhole, but a couple of Ferengi in an inferior ship outsmarted the Voyager crew and they ended up not being able to return home themselves. And don't even get me started on that one episode where Paris mutates into a frog and impregnates Janeway...

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  34. Re:Idiotic List by LithiumX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shows like The Outer Limits and The Twilight Zone were not always sci-fi, but when they were, they were usually the absolute best. Cutting out these shows would be like cutting Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, and others from a list of the best rock music, because some of their music wasn't rock.

    I have never understood why so many people seem to believe that "sci-fi" must include aliens or space ships to be sci-fi. Sci-fi often becomes confused with fantasy.

    If we were to make a list of "best" sci-fi, and strictly adhered to them being actual sci-fi, I do not believe you could get a list of 50 if you limited yourself to television. In order to have a list with any meaning, you would have to seperate the truly great from shows that either failed entirely, or were never able to garner more than a niche audience. And because of the non-linear nature of the best specimens of sci-fi (Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, etc - shows that were not dedicated to sci-fi-only), you would be forced to either include these sometimes-sci-fi shows, or admit that your list just lost it's heaviest hitters.

    In such a list, I get the feeling that Farscape MIGHT only stand a chance of getting in. As for Lexx, First Wave, this new BSG, and many of the other shows experiencing a brief period of popularity or who have a dedicated and vocal but small audience... they wouldn't stand a chance.

    As for Stargate, I never personally got into the show, but it would most likely make it into such a list intact. It's probably the only currently running show that would.

    And dammit Star Trek SHOULD be at the top of the list. No one can say another sci-fi show has had a greater impact. Twilight Zone would be next in line, then probably Lost In Space (another show I never loved, but has stood the test of time).

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  35. Jilted Again by Burz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When will these Sci-Fi "critics" finally live up to their lofty edifice and recognize Lost Saucer as one of the greats?

    Someday, Ruth Buzzy and Jim Neighbors will get their due.

  36. Re:"The Invaders" is not on it? by Reziac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Great, now I feel old.... (I remember The Invaders first-run) .... The Invaders was one of the very first SF series to achieve mainstream acceptance and commercial success, as it generated an audience among folk who normally only watched soaps and dramas.

    I agree with someone above who said that this article was for the purpose of generating traffic, and the list was pretty much pulled out of their ass. That is, it's whatever shows they could remember offhand, with no research whatsoever, and probably by a mainstream TV type rather than a viewer who gravitates toward SF as such.

    And mind you, I'm not a purist who says it has to have Science and Social Issues and can't have Fantasy or Whatever -- to me, "Science Fiction" is a broad enough umbrella to cover all these and many more, including a lot of fringe subgenres (yes, folks, The Original Wild Wild West was SF, despite initial appearances. Actually, there have been several SF series set in a Western environment.)

    Side thought: one reason some SF series are dull is because they ARE "purist SF" and contain nothing but science and the future, without any concern for who *lives* there.

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  37. Re:Ahead of their time by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Man from U.N.C.L.E. was SF in the same way that The Wild Wild West was (in fact they were very similar series, just set in different environments) -- in that both frequently had "futuristic" (with respect to the era the show is set in) villains, and futuristic villains' gadgetry.

    So yeah, these shows are borderline by any standard, and don't fit the purist definition of SF. But under the broad definition of SF as any sort of non-mundane fiction ("we know it when we see it"), they both fit.

    At the time I didn't see this, but in retrospect, I do. Perspective is a wonderful thing. :)

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  38. Re:Sliders by twiffy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Holy crap, that's the most pretentious sounding post I've ever read on /. Good job on cramming "Shakespeare", "classic writers", "refined", and "caviar" into a posting about Sci Fi. The basic concept for Sliders was around before George R. R. Martin. And while it's true that Sliders failed in some basic ways, the unfortunate fact is that most SF shows fail in at least one basic way, a way that leaves most of us thinking on some level that we could have done better. Sliders has its stagnation, DS9 has an overly soap-opera bent to its episodes (and has Sisko doing a faint Captain Kirk impression for every 2 out of 5 episodes). Although it wasn't the audio-visual equivalent of Dune or Ender's Game / Shadow or Song of Ice and Fire, as far as SF TV goes, especially for its day, Sliders was awesome.

  39. Re:DS9??? by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Worse than soap opera, it was a political soap opera. Hours and ours of policital posturing, the Dominion, the painfully boring politics of Bajor.... That's the only Star Trek series that was so bad that I stopped watching it.

    Don't get me wrong, Enterprise jumped the shark on occasion (alien Nazis), but at least Enterprise had a little humor, characters with personality, and story arcs about characters you actually cared about. They were just occasionally a little too far-fetched.

    DS9, by contrast, when it wasn't devolving into wormhole fantasy and pseudo-spiritual Bajoran mythos crap, could just as easily have happened in 20th century Earth if you substitute the Chunnel for the wormhole and convince the military to fly jets through it. There was nothing futuristic about it. It was just a protracted war with an enemy who was basically evil by design rather than actually a war over something tangible like territory. It's basically the war on terror, only with an even less well-defined objective.

    The characters were wooden, the story lines boring, and the whole Dax changeover ranks right up there with the whole baby switching thing. The whole series read like gratuitous verbal masturbation by Berman and Friends. If DS9 is the best Trek has to offer, the franchise should just die now and for all time.

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  40. Re:Soap Opera, DS9, B5, BSG by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I won't complain about the possibility of a Sci Fi being a soap opera.

    Babylon 5 was not a soap opera. Babylon 5 was a story. It has a beginning, a middle and an end. Towards the end of B5 you can definitely see all of the pieces being moved off of the board one by one.

    A soap opera is not going anywhere. Things just keep happening. You can keep it up for as long as you want. Characters can come and go. The basic direction can change. This is very different than a novel, or Babylon 5.

    DS 9 might be a soap opera. (I quit watching after 2nd season due to liking B5 better and had insufficient time for both DS9 and B5.) I don't know if DS9 was a soap opera. Was the story working its way towards any overall conclusion?

    This brings me to the new Battlestar Galactica. I wonder if it is like B5 in that there is a distinct conclusion that they are heading towards? Maybe so, but maybe they don't have a plan for getting there? Will they drive off into the ditch along the way and never get to the conclusion. I sure hope not. I would be very disappointed in investing time to watch it.

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  41. Re:New BSG is #2? WTF? by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now I've tried it(Battlestar Galactica). Thanks to some of these people, I've watched MANY episodes of it, and I understand it less each time. How can even average-smart people put up with such terrible writing? Such stupid plots and stupider plot holes? Such transparent and flacid attempts to be edgy and gritty? Such... lack of immagination?
    (edit mine)

    In contrast to the origional series aka Wagon Train in Space staring Lorne Greene? A boy and his mechanical dog? And evil inverse video goat man? Making it a point to create perfectly reflective robots without regard to lighting resulting in having to use colored filters so you couldn't see the crew? Recycled special effects from the movie which employed recycled special effects. Not to speak of Galactica 1980 who had a group of kids farm with their super strength or play baseball and win to avoid detection from the goverment. Or worse yet "You're pregnant? How is this possible? Must have been devine intervention!" Can you say a transparent attempt to prevent kids from finding out where babies come from?

    I know there are fans of the old series who might be offended, but let's face it BSG 1979 had some awful moments and the new series in many regards is an improvement. I agree it shouldn't get a #2 spot. It's too new and hasn't had long enough to prove itself.

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  42. Can I get a HELL YEAH! by Lordleppard · · Score: 2, Insightful
    WTF.. no Farscape? Certainly should have made the top 50.. perhaps even edging in on the top 10.

    It's MUCH better than Xena which ranked 12.

  43. Blake's 7 4TW! by Attaturk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Us Brits were just lucky I guess. Blake's 7 was the ultimate anti-Star Trek. Here Blake and his dubious crew of criminals and freedom fighters/terrorists took on the all-powerful Big-Brother-esque Federation.

    In the first episode our hero is set up as a post mind-wipe former rabble rouser that witnesses the mass murder of a secret meeting of dissidents. The authorities have him set up as a child molester, destroy him and his reputation and then ship him off to a penal colony (after having his lawyer and the lawyer's wife killed off because they were getting in the way).

    Dark enough for you? That's just the first episode. Written by Terry Nation, mind behind the better Doctor Who stories amongst many other things, this series has all the depth and tension that you could possibly hope for. Of course the special effects look very dated and they seemed to find every last disused quarrry and scrap of wasteland left in England to film in.

    Even if you're not much of a sci-fi fan, I highly recommend it.

  44. Re:DS9??? by MurphyZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Absoultely. DS-9 started off weak, but once the long plot lines were developed (more than one) the show became a great ones. Not only that, the magic reset button can totally ruin a show (mucking about with time for example to reset for example. SG-1, for example, has done this at least twice, and both times they did not fit well with the rest of the plot.

    In a book, that's what can make a great book, is a well-defined plot line that goes from start to end. We should expect that of a series (any, not just sci-fi), not just the individual shows that make up a series.

    Sliders was a show that had a magic reset button (the slide at the end) but tried to develop a long plot line (besides the slide home) , but didn't quite succeed. I have heard that network executives also got involved to be able to switch the order of the shows, which is why after the first couple shows you never saw the lead-in to the next show. You instead, possibly got a tease starter or ender: hints about what happened on the previous planet, but wasn't an episode or hints about the next planet, also not an episode. That plus the main characters leaving were a sure demise.

    Stargate and Stargate Atlantis don't focus on that underlying plot line, but it is there. Not necessarily linking every show, but it does provide some development of the characters. Case in point, the 'two hour season finales' for both the past two weeks. Two one-hour shows, the second of which was a finale. Little linking, between them.

    Battlestar Galactica focuses on it, where nearly every show depends heavily on the previous one. Makes you need to see each episode when it runs.

    So true about actual soaps' reset buttons. At least the sci-fi resets are a little more plausible (though I still hate most of the time travel ones).

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  45. Re:Idiotic List by LithiumX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Outer Limits never portrayed technology as evil, it just used technology to show the darker side of humanity.

    That's a good indicator of what sci-fi is when at it's best... not stories about cool futuristic technologies, but stories about how technology affects the way we think and interact with eachother.

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  46. You suck, Boston.com by falloutboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This isn't really a story; its just a bunch of blurbs about show plots with actually no commentary whatsoever. I clicked through fifty pages of that nonsense hoping to find some meat to it, but I hath been led down a path of ad impressions and wasted time. From now on I'm boycotting all thigns Boston, except when the Sox play the Yankees, and then only to root for the Yankees. Thats right Boston.com, I said go Yankees.

    On a slightly more relevent note, I just marathoned like seven episodes of the new Battlestar Galactica on my DVR, and I think it might actually be the best show on TV, including those edgy shows on cable where they show boobies. Its that good.

  47. Six Million Dollar Man by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This show, more than anything else, caused me to pursue a career in engineering. The whole idea that science and engineering could restore a man who lost two legs, an arm and an eye to full function convinced me that the way for me to make a difference in the world was to learn how to design electronics and robotics. I'll admit that 30 years later, we still haven't created technology equal to that depicted on the show, but that doesn't change my opinion that the only way to improve the human condition is through intelligent application of engineering.

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  48. Re:DS9??? by vsprintf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A lot of those shows aren't Science Fiction.

    Agreed. I can't believe Farscape didn't make the list while shows like Wild Wild West, the Man from UNCLE, and the Avengers did. The Prisoner was far more SciFi than the Avengers, and that didn't make the list either. While I liked the other shows, they were not science fiction. While the original Star Trek probably deserves the top spot, the only other show that had fans actively protesting and trying to reverse its cancellation was Farscape.

  49. Re:DS9??? by zerojoker · · Score: 2

    The first Star Trek series where the Federation wasn't the only superpower in the galaxy, where there's no black and white and you can't force others to do the "right thing", but instead have to deal and negotiate with others and sometimes accept other cultures and different behaviour that you don't like

    I understand that this isn't very popular in the US ;-)

  50. Re:Outrageous by Savantissimo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Agreed. Red Dwarf belongs near the top.

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  51. WTF? by dtfinch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Number 27: 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'

    Number 12: 'Xena: Warrior Princess'

    Xena better than Buffy? Both sci-fi?

  52. Farscape.. by bezgin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a list without Farscape and the 4400 where even Xena came in.. forget it.

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  53. Prisoner Not Sci-Fi? by Thedalek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Episode 1 introduces the balloon-like Rover, guardian of the Village. No technology like it existed then or now. Later in the episode, #6 is given an "electropass" which, by inferrance, amounts to a low range wireless transmitter, which emits a "key" signal to Rover, telling it to ignore the bearer. This is not dissimilar to current technologies which didn't exist in 1967 (such as bluetooth or WiFi).

    Episode 3 (A B & C) features "dream viewing" technology, something far beyond the grasp of even current technology.

    Episode 5 (The Schizoid Man) mentions and Episode 6 (The General) features an advanced AI in charge of predicting complex social patterns and forming brainwashing strategies. It is presented as being capable of answering any question, with the exception of one, insoluble by man nor machine.

    Episode 6 also features a concept called "speed-learn," a process by which a person can quickly absorb large amounts of information via a television broadcast. It is presented as giving a full 9-week class in the space of 30 seconds.

    Episode 12 (A Change of Mind) fatures a non-invasive form of neurosurgery, using highly focused soundwaves. Although the device is not used on #6, its functionality is demonstrated. Technology such as this did not exist in 1967, and likely does not exist now.

    Episode 14 (Living in Harmony) features a combination of hallucinogenic drugs and audio stimuli which produces an impossible effect with any known drugs.

    Many elements within the series are used frequently, including implied mind-control rays/beams/lights/sounds which induce instant paralysis, the precise location of The Village, and the unknown function of the teeter-totter device.

    And if the final episode (Fall Out) takes place in this universe, I want to know how.

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  54. "The Time Tunnel" by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about "The Time Tunnel"? The list has "Quantum Leap" and QL is simply an updated TTT. Both were pretty much the same thing except QL overlayed a social commentary on the time jumps that TTT didn't.

  55. Martin Landau as Walter Koenig? by HatofPig · · Score: 2, Informative

    Uh, try John Koenig. And Andromeda as 22! These guys must be on crack!

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  56. Re:Idiotic List by hayden · · Score: 2, Insightful
    And dammit Star Trek SHOULD be at the top of the list. No one can say another sci-fi show has had a greater impact.
    I'll agree that Star Trek had a big impact but that doesn't make it any good. I saw an article or essay once that suggested that the only reason Star Trek was so popular was because it was the first time that the general populace had been exposed to sci-fi. Sci-fi writing had moved on from the "go places and do stuff" type of stories thirty years before Star Trek came out.

    The acting is ordinary and the characters two dimensional. The plots are simplistic with only the vaguest linking between shows. And, most importantly, the world isn't internally consistant. It always amazed me that the ship's science/engineering officer was always able to come up with the solution to a age old problem just in the nick of time. Strangly the thousands of scientists not working on ships can't do the same.

    Compared with the current crop of good sci-fi (Firefly, Farscape, B5 and the new BSG), most of the Star Treks are B grade. Especially the original and TNG.

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  57. Crap list... by psykocrime · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whaaa-waaaa--wwwwaaattt?????

    no Salvage, Blue Thunder, Airwolf, Knight Rider, Automan, Max Headroom or The Prisoner????

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  58. Lexx, Lexx, Lexx, Lexx by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 3, Interesting

    where the hell is Lexx? it makes my top 50 easily so does
    Time Tunnel, Land of The Giants and The Invaders

    There are a bunch of good SciFi series out there that far outranks some of the ones that made the top 50 -

    I love Linda Carter as Wonder Woman, but give me a break as SciFi it does not even rate a number IMHO !

  59. Re:Not only is DS9 not on the list... by TFGeditor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pity. UFO was pretty cool for its time. Intriguing story line, more or less plausible technology, believable aliens. The special effects were grade "B" and the characters sorta thin, but good entertainment nonetheless.

    And some pretty hot babes, too! Sorry, couldn't resist.

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  60. Re:DS9??? by Velox_SwiftFox · · Score: 2, Informative

    Star Trek TOS did the alien Nazis first. Remember Spock giving McCoy the scientific method of putting on his overtight boots - "point your toe and push"? For that matter,they did 1920's gangsters, the Cooms vs. the Yangs, and Ancient Rome never fallen too. TOS wore that theme out, even using the unlikely "parallel evolution" multiple times.

  61. RED DWARF!!! by brian0918 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nuff said.

  62. Re:DS9??? by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Stargate SG-1 has only had like four time travel episodes. 1969, 2010, Window of Opertunity, and the Season 9 closing double, Moebius. Stargate Atlantis has had one.

    1969 was a 'stranded in time, need to get back.'. No reset button.

    In 2010, we entered in 2010, and the plot was 'send something back to 'the present' to change history. Arguably that's a reset button, but that was rather the plot.

    WoO was a classic 'time loop' episode. You could argue there were a very large number of reset buttons in it, but I think that's rather required in a time loop episode. (And sci-fi shows are required by law to do time loop episodes.)

    In the Atlantis episode, we learn that this is the second timeline, and what happened in the first time. No reset button.

    In the SG-1 season ender, we have SG-1 go back in time and screw up the timeline so bad that the the Stargate program doesn't even exist, leaving only a video recording of themselves.

    So the team members that should have been in SG-1, who get shown the video, go back and screw up the timeline even more, so much that not only does the original timeline come back, but altered in such a way that SG-1 doesn't have to go back in the first place. (Hence the title 'Moebius'.)

    So, in eight and a half seasons of SG-1, and one and half seasons of Atlantis, let's see..

    If by 'reset button' you mean 'altering the timeline and then altering it back where no one remembers it', we've had...one. Although, technically, the original SG-1 still died in the past, as did later did their replacements. The new SG-1 doesn't remember because they didn't do it, although they do have a tape recording to tell them what happened.

    If by 'reset button', you mean 'events got out of control and the solution was to alter the past', the only episode that did that was 2010, and that was rather obviously the solution in the first place, as skipping 10 years of history would be a silly way to continue the show.

    I don't really know which reset buttons you are talking about thtat didn't fit with the theme.

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  63. The Complete List by Tatarize · · Score: 2, Informative

    In case you folks haven't I'll Karma-whore the whole list out.

    1) Star Trek (TOS)
    2) Battlestar Galactica (new)
    3) Star Trek (TNG)
    4) X-Files
    5) Babylon 5
    6) Stargate SG-1
    7) The Twilight Zone
    8) Dr. Who
    9) Mystery Science Theater 3000
    10) Sliders
    11) Lost
    12) Xena: Warrior Pincess
    13) The Outer Limits
    14) Star Trek (VOY)
    15) Logan's Run
    16) Flash Gordon
    17) Firefly
    18) V
    19) Dark Angel
    20) The Hitchhiker
    21) Quantum Leap
    22) Andromeda
    23) Tales from the Crypt
    24) Wonder Woman
    25) The Jetsons
    26) Stargate Atlantis
    27) Buffy the Vampire Slayer
    28) Adventures of Superman
    29) The Six Million Dollar Man
    30) Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
    31) Alien Nation
    32) My Favorite Martian
    33) Lost in Space
    34) The Avengers
    35) Battlestar Galactica (Original)
    36) The Bionic Woman
    37) Space 1999
    38) Batman
    39) The man from U.N.C.L.E
    40) The Thunderbirds
    41) Futurama
    42) Science Fiction Theater
    43) Nowhere Man
    44) Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman
    45) The Greatest American Hero
    46) That Was Then
    47) Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
    48) 3rd Rock From the Sun
    49) Wild Wild West
    50) Earth: Final Conflict

    DS9, Earth 2, First Wave, Space Above and Beyond, Crusade, Enterprise, Max Headroom, Farscape they missed some major ones, and included some totally non-scifi ones.

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