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How Chinese Evade Government's Web Controls

Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes "China is moving to 'centralize all China-based Web news and opinion under a state regulator,' the Wall Street Journal reports, but determined citizens have found a way out of previous restrictions in what has become a cat-and-mouse game: 'Many Chinese Internet users, dismissing what they call government scare tactics, find ways around censorship. The government requires users of cybercafs to register with their state-issued ID cards on each visit, but some users avoid cybercaf registration by paying off owners. In response, the government has installed video cameras in some cafs and shut others. ... While certain words such as "democracy" are banned in online chat rooms, China's Web users sometimes transmit sensitive information as images, or simply speak in code, inserting special characters such as underscoring into typing.' Also noteworthy is that major portals seem to be cooperating with authorities' restrictions: 'Insiders who work for the big portal sites say they are already in regular contact with authorities about forbidden topics, such as the outlawed Falun Gong religious group, which their teams of Web editors pull off bulletin boards.'"

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  1. How fitting... by Mathiasdm · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Move along. Nothing for you to see here."

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  2. 100 million users and climbing by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Note to Chinese government...censorship of the Internet is a lost cause, give it up. If you want to be the next economic superpower, you are going to have to deal with dissenting ideas found on the Internet. You'd do better to work out an ongoing public discussion forum on incorporating the best ideas into the public and private sectors instead of trying to censor access.

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    1. Re:100 million users and climbing by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Note to Chinese government...censorship of the Internet is a lost cause, give it up. If you want to be the next economic superpower, you are going to have to deal with dissenting ideas found on the Internet. You'd do better to work out an ongoing public discussion forum on incorporating the best ideas into the public and private sectors instead of trying to censor access.

      Yet the majority of Americans would blindly accept limitations on their Constitutional rights in the name of "National Security" or "Terrorism".

      It's amazing how differently our two populations behave.

    2. Re:100 million users and climbing by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not going to work. Too much of their system is based on control of information. they have to try and hold on to that control, because if they lose it, they'll end up with another Tiananmen Square...and another and another...

      Here, people are passive. Things are too good, no one cares enough to put themselves out. Everyone has too much to lose. The population is also on the old side, which tends to curb activism.

      There? The more they communicate, the more they realize that they're paid nothing, they're treated like crap, they're not allowed to have dissenting opinions without being thrown in jail. The more they'll realise that they don't really have that much to lose...Not everyone, of course, but what percentage would it take to be too much to suppress? There are a hell of a lot of people in China...And thanks to their female infantacide issue, they've got a large number of unattached young men, the most volatile population group.

      China's in for interesting times.

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    3. Re:100 million users and climbing by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most Americans also have a car, two TV's, a video game system, a cell phone, a job , and could probably obtain illegal substances without fear of being caught.

      They can also protest openly (within reason) against the government without fear of being arrested.

      We're basically too busy entertaining ourselves and stuffing food in our faces to realize we are being slowly robbed of our freedoms.

    4. Re:100 million users and climbing by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think we see eye to eye on this, but I disagree with some of your analysis.

      The 100 million internet active Chinese are represenatives for the rest of their population. These people have the skills to use the internet to their advantage and have the resources to do. They use these skills to voice the opinions of those who cannot, and have been doing it for some time now - hence the attempts at censorship.

      In reference to my previous statement of Americans having cars, cell phones, ect - I would argue that the 100 million internet active DO NOT have these things. Internet cafes are very popular in China, I can't say that I've seen too many here in the US. Now, we do have free WiFi everywhere but that is not the same. The free WiFi requires that we bring our own equipment, an internet cafe provides all of the hardware for you. This difference alludes to the fact that most of the Chinese population DOES NOT have the financial resources to obtain these items. Either the infrastructure does not exist or the proliferation of the hardware is not on par with what it is in the US.

      Now, if most of the 100 million internet active in China cannot afford an item that is manufactured in their borders and available at a fraction of what it costs here (an internet capable computer), why would they have a car? And how could they afford it? A cell phone, I can concede that point, but only with the caveat that the infrastructure for its use is not on par with the ubiquitous coverage in the US.

      Almost all of our population has a cell, a car, a computer, ect. For the sake of argument lets use a grossly underestimated number of 70%. That is almost ten times more that the 7% of the internet active Chinese, and thats assuming every one in that 100 million has all of these items. Now what do you think the difference in social response would be between an internet user who looks around and sees a society where comfort is almost ubiquitous and a user who sees that most of the people around him are impoverished?

      Both users can make a case for being oppressed in some manner and having their rights taken from them, but the American can look around and easily justify to themselves that it's not that bad. That his fellow countrymen have a pretty ok life and that a few liberties are no big thing. I do not believe a Chinese citizen could look around and come to the same conclusion.

    5. Re:100 million users and climbing by thebdj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Protests do still happen, and while some people will argue with you that the federal, state and local governments create these "restricted" areas for these demonstrations as a means to censor the protestors this really isn't the case. There are actually plenty of good and logical safety reasons for this, so as far as our ability to still protest and have protected speech, those aren't going anywhere. You know why those won't go anywhere? Because some of the largest and richest people in the USA are media conglomerates or other people with a high interest in the media.

      Due process, however, is one that comes under direct fire. The Patriot Act, as it is so called, actually gave the ability for the US to hold suspected terror suspects as "enemy combatants" taking them outside the realm of Due Process. This "war on terror" is a new beast with no borders, as has been pointed out by the government before. The problem is this law provides no limits to who can be placed in prison indefinitely and not given access to legal counsel or a right to a speedy trial. While it might be a bit paranoid to think that this will turn into a witch hunt where thousands or millions or normal citizens are locked away, it is a possibility thanks to the law.

      You are correct in stating we are a long way off from a totalitarian state as China. The bi-partisan government does sort of prevent a single party from gaining too much control, but things could change if Democrats or Republicans were to lose bad in elections resulting in a major lopsided government. The bi-partisan problem also prevents new ideas from being introduced because third parties, two of the largest being the Libertarians and Greens, rarely see much if any coverage, and neither party has had much success getting into the federal government.

      It might only be a matter of time before we see the end of China as it is today. The government already relented to a capitalist economy, seeing it as the best way to promote the countries growth and make it a world power to truly be concerned about. I think that slowly they will be forced to change their ways, but not in any sort of rapid progression, unless of course there were to be a political uprising, but I do not see that being too likely.

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    6. Re:100 million users and climbing by Mac+Degger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Most Americans also have a car, two TV's, a video game system, a cell phone, a job , and could probably obtain illegal substances without fear of being caught."

      Uhm, no?

      Hasn't Katrina taught you anything? Do you stil think the US is 'the richest nation on earth'? Look at unemployment, illiteracy, innumeracy, infant mortality (43rd, after Cuba!) and poverty figures for the last decades. Compare to any other country and then do the same for the added figures for the whole EU. Be shocked.

      "They can also protest openly (within reason) against the government without fear of being arrested."

      Yeah...Sheehan found that out today.

      "We're basically too busy entertaining ourselves and stuffing food in our faces to realize we are being slowly robbed of our freedoms."

      No...to many of you believe FOX and your president.

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    7. Re:100 million users and climbing by TheGavster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can sit wherever you want. But if you're going to have a couple hundred people, and be making a racket, in a busy urban area, you need to stay the hell out of the way. Getting a permit means that traffic can be redirected, police can know what you're doing, etc. It's not like they use permits to silence people; the Klan gets permits to demonstrate all the time (though quite often the police need to protect them, rather than keep them in line). To not even make an effort to follow proceedure is just retarded, but totally in line with Cindy "Withrdraw from Occupied New Orleans" Sheehan's love of the limelight.

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    8. Re:100 million users and climbing by Mac+Degger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have a concentration camp filled with people who are bereft of habeus corpus, and will not be tried by a propper jury. You have a camp filled with people (including american citizens!) for who the law does not apply.

      How the fuck dare you say "I just haven't heard of anyone's rights being limited"? With free speech zones where protesters are herded to fields miles away from where the action is, how the fuck can you still say "I still see people speaking freely about whatever political views they have."? With religious thought being pushed into science classes, how the fuck can you say "I still see religious and areligious views being upheld in courts of law"?

      With all that going on, how can you say that the US is free-er than ever? Are you really that good at deluding yourself?

      And remember, if you reply: 'But [blahterroristsblah]'; that is not a counterargument. That is rationalisation.

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  3. Hurrah! by Knight+Thrasher · · Score: 5, Funny
    Will the Chinese soon write their own underground freedom documents?

    Teh D3cl4r4ti0n 0f 1nd3p3nd4nc3?

    1. Re:Hurrah! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      PRC Constitution

      Some of the more salient articles:

      Article 35. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.

      Article 36. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief. No state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion; nor may they discriminate against citizens who believe in, or do not believe in, any religion. The state protects normal religious activities. No one may make use of religion to engage in activities that disrupt public order, impair the health of citizens or interfere with the educational system of the state. Religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any foreign domination.

      Article 37. The freedom of person of citizens of the People's Republic of China is inviolable. No citizen may be arrested except with the approval or by decision of a people's procuratorate or by decision of a people's court, and arrests must be made by a public security organ. Unlawful deprivation or restriction of citizens' freedom of person by detention or other means is prohibited; and unlawful search of the person of citizens is prohibited. Article 38. The personal dignity of citizens of the People's Republic of China is inviolable. Insult, libel, false charge or frame-up directed against citizens by any means is prohibited.

      Article 39. The home of citizens of the People's Republic of China is inviolable. Unlawful search of, or intrusion into, a citizen's home is prohibited.

      Article 40. The freedom and privacy of correspondence of citizens of the People's Republic of China are protected by law. No organization or individual may, on any ground, infringe upon the freedom and privacy of citizens' correspondence except in cases where, to meet the needs of state security or of investigation into criminal offences, public security or procuratorial organs are permitted to censor correspondence in accordance with procedures prescribed by law.

      Article 41. Citizens of the People's Republic of China have the right to criticize and make suggestions to any state organ or functionary. Citizens have the right to make to relevant state organs complaints and charges against, or exposures of, violation of the law or dereliction of duty by any state organ or functionary; but fabrication or distortion of facts with the intention of libel or frame-up is prohibited. In case of complaints, charges or exposures made by citizens, the state organ concerned must deal with them in a responsible manner after ascertaining the facts. No one may suppress such complaints, charges and exposures, or retaliate against the citizens making them. Citizens who have suffered losses through infringement of their civil rights by any state organ or functionary have the right to compensation in accordance with the law.


      Sounds nice, doesn't it? Try this one article on for size, though:

      Article 51. The exercise by citizens of the People's Republic of China of their freedoms and rights may not infringe upon the interests of the state, of society and of the collective, or upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens.


      Note the emphasis, taken from the original document. Nice to have a constitution that doesn't matter to the state, isn't it?
  4. Information freed! by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This article helps reinforce my constant philosophy that information is now freed of regulation and censorship, and that no law can trump humanity's moral law that makes only offensive crimes truly wrong, legally or morally.

    I feel bad for the Chinese, but thankfully the ways around censorship are growing in number. We have to note these gains internationally as we watch our speech get restrained even in the U.S.

    No law will prevent the average person from doing what they feel is right, which to me is proof of the inherent rights we're all born with. Every person in this world has the God-given (or inherent) right to speak. It is only government that attempts to restrain it.

    Take note, your freedom to speak is declining as we support persons we vote for to further degrade our rights. As the Chinese save up to 40% of their income, they also find ways to save their rights. As we U.S. citizens look to the federal government to educate us, rebuild our mistakes and provide our retirements, we save nothing (1%) and lose rights.

    1. Re:Information freed! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's worse than just censorship. The problem is that China is commiting blatent violations of their own constitution. From the summary:

      ...such as the outlawed Falun Gong religious group...


      Now take a look at their constitution:

      Article 36. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief. No state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion; nor may they discriminate against citizens who believe in, or do not believe in, any religion. The state protects normal religious activities. No one may make use of religion to engage in activities that disrupt public order, impair the health of citizens or interfere with the educational system of the state. Religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any foreign domination.


      But it's okay that they throw these people in jail because...

      Article 51. The exercise by citizens of the People's Republic of China of their freedoms and rights may not infringe upon the interests of the state, of society and of the collective, or upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens.


      (Emphasis in the original.) So in one article, the "People's" Republic of China says that their entire constitution is subject to the whim of the state. Is that really freedom and personal rights?
    2. Re:Information freed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So in one article, the "People's" Republic of China says that their entire constitution is subject to the whim of the state.

      Well, shit, at least the Chinese have the decency to put that article in their Constitution. Plenty of other governments do exactly the same thing, they just pretend that they don't. The Chinese are refreshingly honest and up-front about it.

  5. Communism requires information restrictions by wheelbarrow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Chinese Communist governement is fighting a battle that they will eventually lose because they have lost the hearts and minds of their people. The internet today provides the average Chinese citizen with enough information about alternative forms of government that communist propaganda is just one source of information among many. The Chinese communist government cannot finger every hole in the dike forever. They're already knee deep in the leaks. I'm proud to be part of the wider information technology community that is taking communism down.

    1. Re:Communism requires information restrictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Communism took itself down in China years ago.

      No, whats hanging on for dear life there is fascism. The government is attempting to control everything you think or do, from what political party you support to what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. Meanwhile, the state and our exalted leader is beyond reproach, and anyone who says otherwise is a traitor to our country.

  6. Re:Astroturf? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't mind people submitting things that they have written or are affiliated with (although the times I've been on Slashdot someone else has submitted). At least the author is honest about it - their name contains their affiliation, so it's not like they are trying to trick you into visiting their site.

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  7. Pecunia Non Olet by korba · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also noteworthy is that major portals seem to be cooperating with authorities' restrictions.

    Happy 7th Birthday, Google.

  8. Re:The problem with banning the words by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's an interesting fantasy book by Gene Wolfe where an empire has declared that one may only speak using sentences from the holy books. This was supposed to prevent anyone from communicating anything improper.

    So a captive from this empire would tell a story by selecting passages from this holy book that matched what he wanted to say, it was not as efficient and required the listener to interpret more. But still it did not prevent him from telling a story unrelated to the holy books.

    Banning words will only make the communication channel less efficient, and somewhat more ambigious, but people will still be able to say what they want.

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  9. Lost war by AnonymousYellowBelly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You are right, but most empires do not like to quietly go down in flames. On the other hand...

    I do not think that freedom of speech is necessary for economic growth. Sometimes it might work the other way around. Having a strong leadership with no space for dissent guarantees that if the leader knows the way no time will be lost discussing. Look at Slashdot, many times the discussion is so out of focus that no usable conclusion is ever reached. A group is trying to troll, another to be funny, etc. I know that the ./ is not supposed to be going anywhere, and that it's purpose is just informing nerds (TWICE) about stuff that matters, but having freedom of speech does not solve many problems.

    Please, don't jump to the conclusion that I want oppressive governments or dictators. All I'm saying is that China can be (IS) the next economic superpower without the civil liberties or political models of the West. Most people don't know what real freedom is, nor do they care if they have enough 'freedom' to have fun and live a 'no worries' life.

    I sometimes think that 'freedom' is way over rated by people like us, who believe in some World way beyond the Rainbow where all software is GNU-like and MS does not exist.

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  10. Re:New sp33k to learn by thelexx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not only is this not funny, it's wrong. The Chinese have no problem pronouncing the letter 'L'. LAO Tze, Bruce LI, etc.

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  11. this is normal... in a sense good by xutopia · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I had a Chinese friend tell me he found it normal that the Chinese government controlled the internet and information the way they do. His argument was that if you change the dynamics too quickly you can do more damage to a country's economy and people. To support his point he used Russia and Irak. He says the changes made in those countries were too drastic over too short a period of time. People need to be psychologically ready before accepting the challenge of self-rule. He also says that the Chinese governing body knows that the transition will happen (to democracy) but they are controlling every step (yes to some extent to benefit from the power) to ensure that the whole country doesn't fall into chaos.

    I'm not sure I agreed with everything he said but it certainly made an interesting discussion.

  12. Compare Chineese vs. US power structure by RradRegor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Both China and the United States are actively trying to "control information" on the internet. Its interesting to me to look at the differences and similarities to see what that says about who has the real power in each country.

    In China, what is forbidden is anything that might threaten the obvious power structure of governmnet. In the United States, forbidden information is anything that hurts the profits of a large corporation. Even honest commentary that names the company responsible is effectively impossible here, unless you can afford to fight the charges of slander or trademark infringement in court. The DMCA is another example that's been covered exhaustively elsewhere.

    I've heard it said by someone else, and someone please tell me who if you know, that in America we have free speech only as long as it doesn't make any difference to anyone. As soon as what we say has an impact on someone's life or a company's bottom line, then we can't say it anymore. Is that really freedom?

  13. it's not blindly accept by zogger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Phooie! Lets get real here. Who's "blindly accepting"? We are under painful threat of personal terrorism if we DON'T accept their dictates. Americans know we are getting screwed,you would be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't think this, the deal is, the government will and does use force-at any level-to get their way, up to the point of the barrel of a gun. It is not 'we the people" anymore, it is "us versus them".

    Want to go exercise political "free speech" at a rally? If they have decided that speech is ok here but not over there across the street, their armed agents WILL use any amount of force necessary to make you comply. How about "random courtesy roadblocks"? What BS is this, when I was a kid this was taught to us as only something some tyrannical regime pulled, the third reich or stalins soviet union or some place like that, we were shown how utterly bogus that was, because it's true, it IS bogus. Now? What are you supposed to do, NOT STOP? Guess what happens to you if you don't stop, they'll run you off the road or shoot you in the head. How about taxes going through the roof, what do you do about it, taxes and out of control government spending? Vote for the two cooperating political gangs who have hijacked government and make it near impossible for any other party to actually function and get a toe hold in? they have killed off any effective third party action, this is pretty obvious since the reform party actually made a showing. Even took them off the national debates, the League of Women Voters was so disgusted with that blatant power grab that they stopped sponsoring the national debates. A CLUE. How much of "black box" electronic vote hijacking, gerrymandering and skewing the nomination and ballot process has to occur before the government guys doing it arrest themselves, which is what it would take? that just ain't gonna happen, and everyone knows it, and you as joe citizen can't just go and "detain" some governmental crook. They would kill you dead.

    We can all see corporate/governmental industry collusion, no bid contracts, blood profits pushed over everything else, yet what are you supposed to actually do about it? You can't stop it physically, you can't vote it away, and any crimes committed by the government are aided and abetted by their armed agents in various colored uniforms. I've been in this gig for decades, for every one little retreat back to the constitution we've seen, we get several large steps forward into despotism.

    No the problem is, the government has way too many "just following orders" types who will follow any order given to them, even if they know it is pretty dodgy. And that means both overseas and domestically. Wars based on utter lies and fabrications-still being waged "just following orders". .Look at what they did with hurricane katrina, went WAY out of their way to keep private help and citizens out,walmart trucks with water told to go back, citizen convoys with rescue boats, ordered to go back, civilian communication lines CUT by agents of the feds, on and on, until it had dissolved into chaos, THEN they decide to show up to 'restore order". THIS IS A CLUE. That isn't an "intelligence failure" like that additional 9-11 bigfat lie, it was done on purpose.

    Face reality, we have been under a violent armed coup for several years now, just no one really wants to say that out loud too much. check the "hate crimes" bill about to pass, this will affect online and printed and broadcast speech, yet the mass media is mostly ignoring it-wonder why? could it be they are in on it at the top, it's the same technofeudalists who run things, the same elite?

    From my perspective, the coup started in earnest when they got clean away with whacking JFK and it has gone downhill from there. A nice slow semi stealth dictatorial take over, every day, establish more command and control and surveillance.

    We aren't too many years away from being more like China

  14. Re:It's because we live in a liberal society by fafalone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Essentially, it ammounts to doing whatever you want to without harming other people.

    Except for all the chemicals the government has rather arbitrarily decided you aren't allowed to put into your own body. And you can't break encryption to watch media you bought on other platforms. And you can't download stuff that's no longer available to purchase. And you can't drive without wearing your seatbelt. And... you get the point. And the current religious right in power is moving towards placing even more restrictions on what consenting adults can and cannot do.

  15. Re:Anyone know a Chinese proxy? by liangzai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read this article in Shanghai, China, without a proxy. This is also true for the WSJ article.
    221.239.214.3