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Updated OQO Model 01+ with USB 2.0 and More RAM

xanthines-R-yummy writes "OQO has announced the availability of the OQO Model 01+. The new model has more RAM and USB 2.0, which were probably the main deficiencies in Model 01." They now start just short of $2k but they still look very yummy.

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  1. Santa? by Wayne247 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please, i need one :)

  2. Besides... by demondawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    being a blatant slashvertisment (I mean, there's not even an article about it, it's just a link to OQO's website), this doesn't really seem all that impressive. Especially in the $2000 range, when for that price I can have a decent desktop PC (with better specs than this thing) AND a decent PDA. Do people in "healthcare and public safety" really need this sort of computing power at their fingertips all the time? And if so, shouldn't there be a better way to give it to them then that horrific looking mini-keyboard? Of course, I'm biased, I suppose.

    1. Re:Besides... by MoralHazard · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Especially in the $2000 range, when for that price I can have a decent desktop PC (with better specs than this thing) AND a decent PDA.

      Well, duh! If you buy a desktop and a conventional PDA for $2000, YOU obviously don't need one of these things!

      This seems more like a laptop--portable and fairly full-featured, without making any concessions on the interface or operating system. Sure, it's expensive, but it's brand new and doesn't have any competitors, yet, that I know of. So of course it's going to be pricey. Remember when PDAs first came out? We were paying $300+ for something with 8MB RAM and a black-and-white LCD.

      And for the record, there IS a reason to buy one of these things: carrying a goddamned laptop around gets old, really quick! Unless you shell out for an ultraportable, you're lugging around several extra pounds of gear whenever you need to take it somewhere. But if you only take your PDA, you're sacrificing a lot of functionality, ESPECIALLY the full keyboard. On airplanes, too, using a full-size laptop in coach can be a real bitch.

      Now, granted, I wouldn't buy one of these things with WinXP installed on it, but as soon as someone has it booting Linux... look out, bank balance!

    2. Re:Besides... by demondawn · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except this thing doesn't have a full keyboard either; in fact, the keyboard on this thing looks comprable to that on the higher-end PDAs. Which means if you DO want a full keyboard, you'll have to lug that around. For this price, if you really want to shell out $2000 for something superportable, there's the Sony U-line, which is about the same speed, just as portable, and has a real keyboard (if not full-sized, at least a lot more useable than the one on the OQO 01 (did they make that name just so it'd be hard to pronounce?)). This seems more like a laptop--portable and fairly full-featured, without making any concessions on the interface or operating system. Except we are making concessions on the interface. The screen pretty darn small, for laptop-style work, and as I said, that's not a "real" keyboard, in my opinion. And if you're looking for one without an OS pre-installed, I think you're going to have a bit of a wait there.

    3. Re:Besides... by WigginX · · Score: 4, Informative

      OQO has been working on linux support.

    4. Re:Besides... by iocat · · Score: 3, Funny

      They smoked at their desks and used really heavy keyboards. And they talked about punch cards all the time. I was all "what was the primordial soup like?"

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      Dude, I think I can see my house from here.

    5. Re:Besides... by interiot · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Engadget says it's cool. I say it's cool. Wired thinks it's cool. Digg thinks it's cool.

      I can understand that if you don't think it's cool, that your initial impression might be that this is a Slashvertisement. But I think it's established that it has somewhat wide appeal (not necessarily practical appeal, I don't know how many of these people linking to it are actually forking over the $2000 for one, but they still like to drool). At the very least, it's unlikely that Taco had to receive money to post this.

    6. Re:Besides... by hesiod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Do people in "healthcare and public safety" really need this sort of computing power at their fingertips all the time?

      I work in a hospital and yes, they need that power. Clinical Info Software can require a heck of a processor for some things. Also, the 100% availability is a very attractive prospect for bedside documentation, such as being able to point out EXACTLY when medication was given, and having an immediate notification to stop if you are about to administer the wrong drug.

      Of course, at $1900 apiece, PDAs are a much more cost-friendly alternative.

      As for the keyboard, you are exactly right. That thing is hideous. It's like trying to use your 1980s watch calculator for complex statistical analysis.

    7. Re:Besides... by HardCase · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's also a doggone shame that they just appointed Joe Daltoso to their board of directors. That guy is the kiss of death to any tech company he touches. Just look at what happened to Micron PC (now MPC) and Interland after he got hold of them. MPC merged with Interland, Interland paid Gores Technology to take the company, which they turned around into a money maker. Interland's stock promptly went into the crapper and has stayed there ever since. Joe's famous last words? "The PC is dead - the future is the pure play Internet company."

      The guy was so inept at Micron Technology that they shuffled him off to the red-headed stepchild (Micron PC). Fortunately, I got out before they laid off half the company!

      -h-

    8. Re:Besides... by jjshoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      does healthcare needs this? quick answer, yes.

      you're out in the field several buildings from your desk, how do you look up the remedy ticket to make sure you're in the right room when your shop has gone paperless? right now you're stuck finding a desktop or opening up a clunky laptop. you can't use a palm sized device because the screen size/resolution can't handle displaying something like a remedy ticket. there are a zillion and one more situations like this.

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    9. Re:Besides... by aonaran · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If linux is your thing try one of
      these

      Not quite as high in specs, but it's less than half the price.
      I have a c860 with a 1 gb SD card and I've not had much desire for a laptop since getting it.
      My main portable use is just e-mail, web and wireless network auditing, so the little c860 with pdaXrom works fine for me.

    10. Re:Besides... by dud83 · · Score: 2, Funny

      HTML pages over FTP, the pain! Such raw abuse of standards and protocols.....

  3. Any Details On Battery Life? by Tha_Big_Guy23 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to TFA, it's 4.9x3.4x.9 inches, which as far as I can tell doesn't leave a whole lot of room for batteries. Considering that it's running a 1Ghz processor, and a fairly sizeable full color display for a portable, that has to be draining on the battery. I mean, it looks exceptionally cool, but I don't think I'd want one if I had to recharge it every hour.

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    1. Re:Any Details On Battery Life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. Great, I've got to have one! by Roofus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, what the hell is an OQO? The writeup was a litle* lacking

    * little = completely missing any and all relevant information. didn't want to waste time doing a real writeup, eh?

    1. Re:Great, I've got to have one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      what the hell is an OQO?
      It's an ascii art elephant head, duh.
    2. Re:Great, I've got to have one! by interiot · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's something that's been widely covered in the tech press, so it's reasonable to assume that people know what it's basically about. But here's a quick summary:
      • QWERTY keyboard
      • touch screen
      • runs a full version of Windows XP
      • 20GB hard drive
      • 256MB DDR RAM
      • 1GHz processor
      • built-in Bluetooth and WiFi
      • 3D-accelerated 1280 x 1024 VGA video output
      • very small size (4.9 x 3.4 x .9-inches), about the size of an iPod or PDA (scroll down for pictures)
    3. Re:Great, I've got to have one! by Minwee · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Despite being so widely covered, I have never heard of it.

      Would it have been that hard to call it an "Itty Bitty Computer" in the writeup, instead of linking to a slashdotted site and assuming that everybody knows all about it?

  5. Nice but... by BattleRat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know about you guys, but I am curious to know if its been hacked to run Linux (pick your distro)...

    1. Re:Nice but... by Wayne247 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You must be new to this interweb thing.

      Rule #1: Chances are, liunx or bsd will run on [insert name]
      Rule #2: Chances are, google will find information regarding rule #1.

      Like here, 2nd google result.

    2. Re:Nice but... by thisfred · · Score: 4, Informative

      First question that I asked too. The answer is on their site under support:

      question

      Can the OQO model 01 run Linux?
                  answer

      The OQO model 01 is a standard x86 PC and can run Linux. However, you will have to install and support it on your own.

      OQO does not currently have any plans to offer a Linux-based product, nor does it provide technical support for a model 01 running Linux. ...

      One recent reviewer has installed Linux, and you might find his writeup (10/13/04) helpful: http://www.handtops.com/show/news/55

      Another handtops.com poster has published a through "tutorial" of a Linux install: http://www.handtops.com/forum/752/0//OQO_Linux_Ins tallation__amp_Configurati.html# ...

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  6. Re:not small enough by Wayne247 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd rather have a nice Zaurus like the C3000 then.

  7. Video by mysqlrocks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is the only computer you need.

    I was wondering how this works if you need more than the 800x480 resolution built-in monitor. However, I checked the specs and you can get video out of up to 1280x1024 VGA. It would be nice if it had DVI out.

  8. a really cute laptop by oever · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For quite a bit less you can get a real laptop like the Dell Latitude X1. This one is also very small and light but has a real keyboard. This machine is _smaller_ than A4, weighs only 1.1 kg and runs linux very well.

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    1. Re:a really cute laptop by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Informative

      "For quite a bit less you can get a real laptop like the Dell Latitude X1. This one is also very small and light but has a real keyboard."

      If you're looking at the OQO, it's not because today's laptops are sufficient. You can actually hold that thing in your hands instead of balancing it precariously on your lap.

      I'm not an OQO fanboy or anything, but the main reason I have a TabletPC right now is that I can't stand using a laptop unfolded on my lap. With a TabletPC, you can actually use it while standing up and walking around. (This is great if you're taking inventory, for example...) This thing is not only more portable than a TPC, but it's obviously more typist friendly.

      Lots of you may be shaking your head due to sticker shock or whatever, but this thing would be a god send to a lot of business professionals that need mobility. Heck, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the company I last worked for bought two of these.

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      "Derp de derp."
  9. Pretty cool by EggyToast · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Now that it has more RAM and storage space, it really is a pretty sweet pocket computer. I especially like that it has both USB and Firewire, as a nod that it can function quite well as a portable device and a full computer in its own right. Very attractive for anyone looking for an ultra-portable laptop that's not totally gimped.

    Of course, the downside is that it's kind of pricey. But, given what else is out there, it seems to sit nicely among its peers -- it costs more, but it seems to offer a lot more as well.

    I have a small portable video device, an Archos 420, and while I got it pretty much just for the portable video and photo abilities, I do know it would be nice to hop on the internet for various reasons without having to stow my laptop -- after all, that's why I got the small portable video thing in the first place.

    Something like this that not only can play video, but also surf the web and do pretty much anything a decent computer can do is great for portability. But kudos to the company for an ultra-small, high-functionality computer that doesn't skimp.

  10. The original version did have shortcomings. by jbarr · · Score: 5, Informative

    A colleague of mine purchased an OQO to test in our work environment, and though it worked well overall, the MAJOR shortcoming was its VERY limited WiFi range. We could not hit access points with the OQO that we could easily hit with several PalmOS and PocketPC PDAs. This was a real deal killer, because of its limited range.

    Also, while its all-in-one cable was nice for travel purposes (minimizing what you have to carry) it was cumbersome on the desktop. We would have rather seen a nice docking station/cradle instead of the kludgy "friction-hold" stand/all-on-one cable combination.

    It is certainly a stunning and elegant device, but it still needs some improvements here and there.

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    1. Re:The original version did have shortcomings. by WigginX · · Score: 5, Informative

      OQO fixed the wifi range issue, and is allowing anyone who purchased a unit with poor performance to return it for upgrade at no cost. Excellent customer service.

      The cable is still terrible, though.

    2. Re:The original version did have shortcomings. by ilmdba · · Score: 2, Interesting

      sorry actually they didn't. i have a late numbered OQO (with the supposed wifi fix) and both the range and the reliability of the wifi is horrid.

  11. Does It Run Linux? (tm) by oGMo · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, seriously. I've commented to them and asked a number of times whether it supports Linux; and until it does, I will stick with my Zaurus. (Actually I only have a C860, no 4GB microdrive or whatever, but I don't come close to needing more than the gigs of SD I have.)

    Linux is not just a gee whiz thing in the palm. Having all your full-blown apps in your palm is far, far more useful than any stripped-down PDA apps could be. Firefox? Check. Thunderbird? Check. GIMP? Check. Nethack? Doom? ScummVM? Vim? Emacs? GCC? Perl? Python? Ruby? Checkcheckcheckcheck...

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    Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage

    1. Re:Does It Run Linux? (tm) by oGMo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Eh, the Zaurus has a fairly small "thumb" keyboard and I've done plenty of hacking, irc, etc. on it. The size of the keyboard doesn't really matter as much as the quality. No, it's not something you're going to be spending a lot of time on, but when you're in a cramped airplane seat and your 17" laptop won't even open (or sitting on the bus, or standing in line, or whatever), it's nice to have something to whip out a few lines of code on (or run ethereal on, or nmap, or nethack, or firefox, or whatever).

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  12. Re:RAM?? by Knight+Thrasher · · Score: 2, Funny
    Pshaw.

    640K ought to be enough for anybody.

  13. Not to troll, but ... by SilicaiMan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ... what would the average slashdotter need such a machine for?
    (This is a serious question. I'm curious to know)

    Now, don't misunderstand me. Those machines look amazing, and I would love to get my hands on one. But, apart from the initial 5-minute infatuation, I think I would simply place it in a drawer, where I would eventually forget that it ever existed. But, maybe that's just me.

  14. OQO missed the curve by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I seem to remember OQO showing prototypes of (back then) incredibily small PCs four or five years ago. It seems that their products have taken too long to materialize, and in the mean time the rest of the industry has really started to catch up with them. In the end, I believe their target market is too small; most folks will be happy purchasing a Dell that's 25% larger but less than 50% of the price -- and all the time, the trend of miniaturization across the entire segment marches onward. OQO will become a small footnote in the history of laptops -- a great idea, but too long on the drawing board and not to market soon enough.

    1. Re:OQO missed the curve by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      " In the end, I believe their target market is too small; most folks will be happy purchasing a Dell that's 25% larger but less than 50% of the price"

      I'm not as optimistic. There's a rather strong niche they could chase after. Those executives with a little too much spending power who are sick of lugging their laptop around the country. You have to understand that it's not just physical size, form factor makes a big difference in the use of these machines. It is very difficult, for example, to use a laptop on a plane. This seems like it'd be easier. (Although I should reserve judgement until I've used one...)

      Anyway, there is a potentially lucrative market here. Unfortunately, these guys are doing a terrible job of marketing. I seriously doubt most IT dudes know about this device, let alone the executives who 'need' them.

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  15. Finally... my NDA doesn't have to stop me... by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 4, Informative

    I demo'd one of their 01 models a few months back and signed a nice NDA that prevented me from discussing this newer Model 01. What's missed in the announcement is that the older, original 01's also got a free wifi antenna upgrade and from 802.11b to 802.11b/g. This change was emailed out about 2 or 3 months ago when OQO Ebay'd a charity OQO, but this means that the 01+ now has the extra RAM & disk storage, plus USB 2.0, but *also* an upgraded radio. Many, many people had complained about poor, directional issues with the original 802.11b radio/antenna.

    Engadget also covered this and mentioned the Model 02 that they hope to see soon. My NDA bars me from discussing this, but since Engadget spilled the beans, let's just say that I was told there'd be an "upgraded Model 01" before the end of the year and a newer Model 02 out before the end of quarter 2 next year. The Model 02 should have some significant updates including *possibly* having a different CPU instead of the Transmeta among other things. Considering the Model 01+ actually happened, I can only hope the Model 02 will be forthcoming as well.

    I for one didn't get the Model 01 simply because I steer clear of the first generation of new devices like this. The unit I demo'd confirmed why I didn't buy one. The upgraded 01+ looks appealing, but I'll probably hold out for the Model 02 sometime next year. But once I get it, I'll be a happy man... I'll have a Treo 650 (Palm-based, not a Winblows version) in one pocket and my OQO in the other. :)

    http://blog.mobileoptimized.com/
    http://mobileoptimized.com/

    1. Re:Finally... my NDA doesn't have to stop me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your facts are way wrong. OQO never gave an option of 802.11G both the 01 and the 01+ only have 802.11b.

      As for you and your NDA. I'm sure this was for a 01 and not the 01+ the 01+ testers was a very short list.

  16. For that price... by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can get a Sony Vaio TX with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, a 60 gig drive, and a real keyboard that weighs 2.75 pounds. No, it won't fit in my pocket, but it will fit in anything I carry around. It also has the two holy grails of /. It will run Linux, and it is liquid cooled. :-)

    No, I don't own one, and I don't work for Sony.

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  17. What "hack?" by StarKruzr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a standard x86 PC with a Wacom tablet built in. There are no magic wismos here.

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  18. Need optical quantum PDAs! by scovetta · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hear the Model 01++ will feature that neat 6.8 Ghz optical-quantum technology. They probably won't be able to fit a terabyte of ram, but I'm hoping for at least 512 GB.

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  19. quit complaining. by TenLow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you're all complaining about this, that, and the other, but you're missing the most important part: It's cool and you cant afford one. Thats why you are blasting it. Nobody needs a computer. Nobody needs a PDA. Nobody needs a fullsize anything. You need food, water, and shelter. Anything else is a luxury, and this is just one of the many things on the list of james bond like gadgets that you want, but wont admit because you've spent your money on the food, water, and shelter.

  20. Mini Laptop by Sundroid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The basic idea behind OQO is to fill the gap between laptop and PDA. MS came out with tablet pc, but the jury is still out on that one. I personally would like to see something like a "Mini Laptop" that has the following essential features:

    #1 Rectangular landscape screen about 4" x 8" in size, with a keyboard about the same size so the Mini Laptop can be snapped shut into a compact case no bigger than a 6" x 9" 300-page hardcover book.
    #2 Runs full Windows, or Apple, or Linux operation system.
    #3 Priced under $1,000.

    Then perhaps I'll consider buying one.

  21. Linux will run on it... by cobrajs · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you are like me, the first thing you did is to check and see if Linux runs on it...

    Linux Devices Review
    Tuxmobil list of successful installs
    and
    Handtops guide to installing Debian

    Note:
    It is also possible to make it a dual boot (of course!), just in case you actually wanted XP.