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P2P Users More Likely to Cheat, Shoplift

prostoalex writes "New research report (sponsored by the recording industry, so should definitely be objective) suggests that those who download music online are also likely to cheat at schools/universities and to shoplift. From the Globe and Mail: 'Not only does music file-swapping harm artists, but it also points to an erosion of respect for intellectual property that threatens Canada's economy and values at the core of our society,' said Graham Henderson, president of the Canadian Recording Industry Association, which commissioned the polls."

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  1. P2P: the new gateway drug. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This "study" referenced in the TFA is so poisonously misleading I barely know where to begin.

    From TFA:
    Canadians between the ages of 18 and 29 are much more willing than other age groups to make illegal copies of software programs, cheat on exams or even shoplift, an Environics poll suggests.
    Regarding the first two statistics, perhaps that because (a) they're the ones to use the software programs the most, and (b), they're the ones in school. Regarding the last point, the actual figures were 6%, as opposed to 2% of the general population. With a poll base of only 2,043 individuals, and an error range of 3.1 percentage points plus or minus, one can seriously question the validity of this last statistic. Add this to the fact that teens have been shoplifting since the invention of the 'shop', and this statistic quickly becomes meaningless.

    What's especially nauseating about this "study" is that it attempts to establish a causual connection between increased P2P file sharing and these other, 'antisocial' activities:

    Again from TFA:
    "Not only does music file-swapping harm artists, but it also points to an erosion of respect for intellectual property that threatens Canada's economy and values at the core of our society," said Graham Henderson, president of the Canadian Recording Industry Association, which commissioned the polls.
    Repeat after me: Correlation does not imply causation.
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    1. Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by rlthomps-1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It bewilders me to think that the Recording industry is wasting their money sponsoring crap studies that paint their customers as theives instead of genuinely trying to understand their changing userbase to better serve them and thus MAKE MORE MONEY.

      Seriously, who is running these companies and why are investors not extremely upset about this?

    2. Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by bedroll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They have a defense, though. Read it again, there isn't a single absolute statement made to correlate the two. Everything suggests that these factors correlate. This is the weakest worded article I've read in quite some time. It's apparently meant as flamebait and to sway the weak-minded.

    3. Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by pizzaman100 · · Score: 4, Funny

      In related news, 42% of teenagers in the survey expressed an interest in illegally obtaining alcoholic beverages, while this figure dropped to 0% for those aged 21 and older. Thereby proving that downloading music causes under aged drinking. ;)

    4. Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by Simonetta · · Score: 5, Funny

      When I was young, the US president Johnson told us that if the young men did not volunteer to 'serve' in Vietnam, then after the communists 'won', tens of thousands of Vietnamese would come here and take our jobs.
          Well the young men refused to go to Vietnam, the communists 'won', and sure enough, tens of thousands of Vietnamese did come to the US and take our jobs.
          I'll never doubt the government again.

    5. Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 4, Funny

      “New Environics studies show that 100% of all smokers die.”

    6. Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by indifferent+children · · Score: 5, Funny

      Has the RIAA commissioned a study to see if young people are more likely to hijack ocean-going vessels? After all, piracy is piracy.

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    7. Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by MCraigW · · Score: 4, Funny
      Where in that quote are they saying that file swapping causes people to do these things?

      What they are implying is that being Canadian causes people to have poor moral standards... Now who can argue with that?

    8. Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by atlasdropperofworlds · · Score: 5, Funny

      Arrr! Ye be handin' o'er those mp3 cds ye scurvy swag!

    9. Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by Moofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Getting your morals from a government is like trying to get drinking water from a gas pump.

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  2. shoplift? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    who the hell would shoplift when you can just download anything you really need?

  3. Other Way Around by Azarael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe those types of people that are more likely to cheat, etc are drawn to P2P. Classic example of correlation vs causality.

    1. Re:Other Way Around by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well everyone I know who robs banks for a drives very fast while leaving the scene. So I really hope auto manufacturers address this problem and stop making fast cars. These fast cars are costing the FDIC millions. Hell, there should be a "bank robbery fine" on all speeding tickets worth 4 or more points. That'll teach those speeders to stop robbing banks.

  4. in other news by nuggetman · · Score: 5, Funny

    A more in depth study also indicated that P2P users are also "big doody heads" and that the recording industry's dad could kick the P2P users dad's in a fight

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  5. Now it all makes sense by Crimsane · · Score: 5, Funny

    If file swappers are so profficient at all this theft and cheating, music execs must be pretty worried about their job-security.

  6. In other news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Users who don't download music from p2p are more likely not to have internet..

  7. Like they say... by archeopterix · · Score: 5, Funny
    If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination.

    ... and from that to P2P and farting in crowded elevators.

  8. If this is true by DDiabolical · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why wouldn't they just walk into a record shop and steal the CD?

    Oh yeah, this article is BS..

  9. Badly Written by mysqlrocks · · Score: 4, Funny

    Canadians between 12 and 24 years of age are responsible for 78 per cent of illegal music downloading, even though they make up only 21 per cent of the population, it says.

    I'm sure this is supposed to say "are responsible for 78 per cent of illegal music downloading in Canada". I can't imagine that Canadians are responsible for the majority of illegal music downloading.

    1. Re:Badly Written by the_weasel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry - that was me.

      I downloaded the internet last week from Toronto on my cable modem. After I deleted all the porn and music I was able to fit it onto a CDROM though. If anyone wants it, please let me know.

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  10. That's not what it says! by program21 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From TFA:
    Canadians between 12 and 24 years of age are responsible for 78 per cent of illegal music downloading, even though they make up only 21 per cent of the population, it says.
    ...
    Canadians between the ages of 18 and 29 are much more willing than other age groups to make illegal copies of software programs, cheat on exams or even shoplift, an Environics poll suggests.
    What it does say is that people in the same age group as typical P2P users are more likely to shoplift or cheat. It does not make any correlation between P2P users and these things!
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  11. RIAA Executives by interiot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can we get a study done on how likely RIAA Executives are to hurt small animals, steal from donation pots, and scowl at old ladies?

  12. Michael Geist analysis by LowneWulf · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/index.php has some good comments on the two recent studies from the CRIA, plus some interesting comments on how various groups have been viewing them.

  13. Newsflash: Teenagers download more by infolib · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Downloading may turn you into a teenager" a scientist in lab coat commented. "We may have stumbled upon the fountain of youth".

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  14. Sponsored studies by Bullfish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This all just really goes to show that knowing who sponsored the study is more important often than the results. I took a journalism course once and had an assignment to check out a study about how milk sold in plastic bags went bad faster than in opaque cartons. Thing is, I found that it took a couple of days to go bad, had to be exposed to light (yeah, the fridge light does go out when you shut the door) and only two per cent of the milk sold at the time as sold in these plastic sacks. The study was, however, sponsored by ex-cello who just happen to make - opaque milk cartons.

    A lot of these studies a crap and presented as fact and are not to be taken seriously. They exist to push an organization's viewpoint while deceiving the public as to their true nature.

    Look no further than the tobacco company studies that show nicotine is not addictive. Yeah right, and beer causes cancer in asbestos workers.

  15. Re:Not really a surprise by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem here is that nobody sees the RIAA as breaking the rules. They've managed to break the copyright rules (by which I mean the natural law, not the legislated law) by ensuring that copyright never expires. Copyright is inherently a bargain between the publishers of copyrighted works and the recipients of copyrighted works. The publishers promise to eventually put the work into the public domain, and the recipients promise not to copy. That's copyright *natural* law. Whenever legislated law doesn't match natural law, you see a massive disrespect for legislated law.

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  16. In related news... by Entanglebit · · Score: 5, Funny

    In related news, users of Microsoft Windows found to use excessive foul language.

  17. p2p is directly correlated to eating disorders. by digitalderbs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since "Canadians between 12 and 24 years of age are responsible for 78 per cent of illegal music downloading" (source) and "95% of those who have eating disorders are between the ages of 12 and 25" (source), P2P sharing leads to anorexia. QED.

  18. I WOULD believe... Re:P2P: the new gateway drug. by kibbylow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would be more inclined to believe that cheaters and shoplifters are more likely to download copyrighted material.

    However, I'm not sure where the article even talks about P2P users being more likely to cheat or shoplift. It talks about Canadians 18-29 being more likely than the general population to do these acts.

  19. Darn Canadian PSP users! by BigDogCH · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was just thinking the same thing, so I guess we should conclude that we should never trust Canadians ages 18-29. I never trusted them anyway. :)

    Actually, I first read the post as PSP Users More Likely to Cheat, Shoplift. I was really starting to wonder. Actually, I read it 4x, and didn't catch the error until reading a few comments. Darn those Canadian PSP users, the hosers!

  20. Re:I WOULD believe... Re:P2P: the new gateway drug by antiMStroll · · Score: 4, Funny

    Would you also be inclined to believe copyright holders drink harder and do more cocaine? After all, look at musicians. Don't even get me started on Roman Polanski.

  21. Aye Matey! by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I find that piracy reference offensive. I am a Space Pirate and a member in good standing of the Pirate's Union. Calling stealing songs off the Internet as piracy, gives us pirates a bad name. Call it a five finger discount or something else.

    I don't hijack, I commandeer, I don't steal, I borrow, I don't loot, I find. Sometimes I have to pursaude people with a sword or gun, but they actually give me things after I threaten their lives.

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