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Pepping Up Windows

PhairOh writes "Toms Hardware has an article about improving Windows with free and Open Source Software. It features everything from the obvious like Gimp and OpenOffice and also some interesting choices like Virtuawin. From the article: 'The average Windows user tends to be less than satisfied with Windows. And that's no surprise, either, given the rather woeful state of its default applications.'"

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  1. My Brother, The Windows Fanboy by geomon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My older brother is a 100% MS man. He spend about half of our visits together telling me how I have wasted the last 10 years working with Linux. On one of his last visits he saw me switching virtual windows in X and thought that looked like a cool app. I searched the web and Virtuawin. When he came over I installed it on his laptop and he has reported that his productivity has increased. I don't know what he is using for a metric, but he likes the idea of switching windows to applications that aren't buried behind muliple instances of IE.

    I guess there are still some ways that *NIX can influence Microsoft, but at this point everyone is using and recycling each other ideas. Few companies are actually building new and interesting interfaces.

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  2. how many people actually _like_ windows? by tjr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I get the impression that there are more users who actually _like_ (not just put up with) Mac OS X (or maybe even GNU/Linux) than there are who actually _like_ (not just put up with) Windows. Anyone here actually like Windows? I'm not trolling, just want to know. If you do, what do you like about it?

    1. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by Rinnt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Though I can't say I care much for windows, I did know an admin that seemed to be a huge fan. Unaware of this fact, I called him one day to spread the exciting news about OpenOffice (I had just found out and wanted to let others know about this $$ saving alternative). He cut me short and said "I don't care for open source - we only do Microsoft here". That was pretty shocking to me since I'd never actually encounted someone *seriously* devoted to Microsoft. Then again, in retrospect, maybe those that "love" Microsoft simply fear the unknown of OSS...

    2. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      These days I find that different Windows apps are beginning to look nothing alike. You have renegades like WinAmp, with their godawful themes. Then there is the removal of the toolbar in the upcoming release of Office. Of course there's also Mozilla-based software with its themes. And software like GAIM, which can use various GTK+ themes.

      At least with most X11 toolkits you can go with a fairly standard Motif theme, if you really want consistency.

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    3. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by geomon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      These days I find that different Windows apps are beginning to look nothing alike.

      It is funny that you had that observation because I was thinking the same thing when I was writing my post. I noticed that my brother and his circle of friends will often *avoid* apps that do not have the same theme/look as other Windows apps. They are completely locked in to the way Microsoft presents options to them.

      If Vista breaks too much with the original thematic concept from the Win9X desktop (by brother and his friends opt for the Windows "Classic" theme), then he might refuse to upgrade.

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    4. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by Tezkah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I like Windows. I like the fact it is able to do suspend/hibernate/resume on my laptop without crashing, and it is able to use my graphics card drivers to make the smooth scrolling in Opera extremely smooth, and I didn't have to compile/reinstall the kernel in order to GET these graphics drivers.

      I like the third party software, last time I was on a Mac there was absolutely no way to use videoconferencing with the three major IM platforms (Thats changed since iChat A/V came out, but is there anything available for Linux?).

      I like that I can run Photoshop, and use a familiar interface that I can theme to my hearts content. I'm also able to run Free Software like Firefox (meshes best with Windows, IMO), GAIM, and others from even this article, but still have a healthy set of closed source apps when FOSS apps aren't able to match them (still haven't found a replacement for Office Outlook 2003).

      Basically, Windows works for me right now. I enjoy using my computer with Windows on it. I'm sure I'd enjoy having a Mac (waiting for the x86 Powerbooks), and I have run Linux, but right now Windows is the best fit.

    5. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Don't know if it familiarity or just the right balance. I like Windows because it suits my needs for eye candy, functionality and geekiness. It let's me try a whole bunch of softwares and hardwares (especially the real cheapo ones without having to worry if they are compatible. At the same time, if I need to do something trivial like change the extensions of 4000 files at once, I can do that easily on the command line. I use Macs every day because my office is full of them and i have just started dabbling with Linux at home but I still find Windows gives me the right mix I need.

    6. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by Kaa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anyone here actually like Windows? I'm not trolling, just want to know. If you do, what do you like about it?

      It runs software (from Photoshop to World of Warcraft) that I want to run and does it on generic hardware.

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    7. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by ThePlague · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Linux users are much more forgiving of their OS than windows, or windows users are of windows. How many times have we heard how great linux works on a new/re-imaged box, only to have it eventually admitted that the sound card doesn't work (yet)? Or the graphics card doesn't have full functionality? Or...etc. Ok, maybe not as much now as in years gone by, but that tendency is still there.

    8. Re:how many people actually _like_ windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Amen, KFG. I use Windows as a gaming platform as well, especially since I game on rather "dated" hardware by ummmm... "industry standards" I guess. Thus my hardware can't really handle the performance hit I'm gonna get in WINE (no matter how good it is, since it's a re-working of the Windows API from scratch it's just not ever going to perform as well as the real thing on old hardware for some games).

      In fact I'm so greedy about getting the most out of my old hardware that most of my games are run with a batch file that does /taskill on a number of processes, including Explorer.exe (why the hell does my desktop, taskbar, etc need to be taking up 20mb+ of memory while running a game?) and other non-essential processes (which vary from game to game).

      Using this trick I can run World of Warcraft (yeah yeah, I know you personally have an issue with subscription games, but it's my vice and I'll have it thank you heheh) on my "ancient" system by WoW's standards. I always find it amusing in a game like WoW where players complain about "lag" and attempt to shift the blame on Blizzard or the Internet Gods, or something, when really a better configured computer would reduce half the "lag" issues.

      I loved AOE... But did you ever play Total Annihilation? For being such an old RTS it was way ahead of its time, in many ways. Very 3D terrain, a million units... Sometimes you could wage half the battle from the minimap, with super longed ranged cannons that would lob shells across the map...

  3. Cygwin and Emacs by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've installed Cygwin and Emacs to my Windows install at work. I was looking for some sort of grep functionality a while back and decided Cygwin was the way to go since I also get a BASH shell and piping, too. I also installed emacs a long time ago. It's the Emacs for Windows, not the one for Cygwin. Both of those have increased my productivity tremendously without needed to install a full-blown Linux distro on the box.

  4. My suggestions: by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Media Player Classic (open source). Who needs WMP anyway? :)
    IrfanView (freeware) for image browsing and very basic manipulation, like gamma correction or applying photoshop filters

  5. I'm fine... by utnow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Notepad serves me just fine. Paint is crap. Wordpad works fine as well.

    Windows gives alot of room for 3rd party developers to make money off of the lack of default applications. There's room for improvement and so people make those improvements and then are able to earn a living off of it. If the OS were to come with 4 copies of every imaginable type of software it would come on too many discs, be bloated, and leave no room for a developer to make money from their work. Yay linux! Reducing the software developer to a novelty act for decades.

  6. Paint.NET by Eslyjah · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Rather than messing with the GIMP on Windows, I prefer to use Paint.NET for my light graphics needs. It's not as powerful as Photoshop or the GIMP, but it is quite nice and available under an MIT license.

  7. Virtual Desktop options by gregoryb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've never used Virtuawin, but I have been using Virtual Dimension and have been really impressed with it. It integrates almost seamlessly with windows and is decently configurable. Another option to consider if (like me) you feel hindered without virtual desktops.

  8. I am by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm just one datapoint, but I sure hated Windows. I knew it, and I used it for ages, but I also fought it and struggled with it, watched it trash my data, fill my hard disk with clutter, cover my desktop with pop-up windows and spyware.

    I tried Linux for half a year, really tried to like it. Ended up with a Mac, and now I like using a computer again.

    Heh, and Windows is even worse once you've used OS X.

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  9. Re:Linux Version by swillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Also check out Konqueror's "File Size View". It provides a graphical view of space used where files and folders are represented as nested boxes, with the size of the box proportional to the amount of storage consumed. A folder that consumes 50% of the space will cover 50% of the Konq window.

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  10. Other nice tool by Nanoda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let me add yet another recommendation - I really like Steffen Gerlach's (free) Scanner. It shows disk useage as a simple pie-graph, and lets you drill down to directories, delete stuff, open an explorer window, etc.
    I'm quite impressed with it anyways, and it comes with source if you're into that.

  11. Re:WinDir by L.+VeGas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not to pimp my own site too much, but the entire site is dedicated to free tools to improve Windows. It includes many of the tools just listed here. nedwolf.com

  12. Re:Are you sure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Yes. That should read more like

                The average user is frustrated and angry with Windows, but also unaware of any alternatives - making
                them even more angry and frustrated

    They find basic things like, for example, being able to turn the computer on and have it start up just like when it was new, just don't work. So they put up with it, not knowing what is wrong or how to fix it. After a flurry of these things going wrong, they are so worn down they just have to try to accept this is that way "computers" are.

  13. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by dirty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because when Firefox crashes people will send the bug reports to Microsoft. There is no incentive for Microsoft to bundle Firefox, and a very real cost if they do. It just doesn't make sense.

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  14. Re:Integration versus Bundling, Choice by aaronl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, those comparisions are NOT valid. One costs the company money to produce, the other does not. One is physical, the other is not. They are related only in that both are products that someone else came up with. It would cost Microsoft nothing additional to put Firefox on their Windows CDs over what they pay to make the CDs right now. It would cost Microsoft hundreds of dollars per unit to ship a PS3 and a Nintendo with each XBox. How can you say the two are comparable? The comparison would be valid if Playstations and Nintendos were free, had no weight, and took up no physical space in the packaging.

    The "copyright infringment is ok" argument comes from people that are trying to rationalise that they aren't doing anything wrong; they are incorrect and they know it.

    I was complaining about how MS goes out of their way to make it exceeding difficult to *not* have their software installed on your computer, set to be used by default, and hooked into the OS so that all Windows functions must use it. I was informing you that the GP *also* was saying that, and not what you decided that s/he said.

    Ultimately, the reason that computer users are "stupid" is because so many of them try quite hard to not learn anything. To do a real world comparision, the way most computer users are is like having the same problem with your car every week, being capable of fixing it in two or three minutes for free, but having to get a mechanic to come and fix it because you never learn the procedure to fix it, even though he tells it to you every time. You can tell someone how to stop a computer from screwing up, how to install a USB device, how to duplex a print job, etc, but a lot of them will never bother to actually learn it.

    Providing choice does not equate to the same problem. When I install Linux, I can typically choose between a few programs that do the same thing, right off from the installer. That's not as important as the fact that I can choose to have *no* web browser, from the installer. That is what we were saying to you, and that is the larger problem. Microsoft *doesn't* let you pick the "no program" option anymore.

  15. Re:Talking out both sides of out mouths. by wvitXpert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To me there are arguments for both sides. I don't like the idea of MS putting everyone out of buisness because they include every possible app with windows. But I also would like to have a functional, usefull computer without having to install a hundred different programs. I mean, an argument can be made that MS should only ship the core of the OS since there are other options out there for almost every component of Windows, but I wouldn't want to pay for that.