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Music Industry Threatens to Pull Plug on Apple

bacterial_pus writes "First the music industry wanted more money, by changing Apple's 99 cents per song policy. Now one exec is threatening to pull the plug on Apple if Steve Jobs doesn't change the iTunes Music Store pricing." From the article: "Nash's comments echoes those made last week by Warner CEO Edgar Bronfman, who called for Apple to adopt variable pricing and share out revenues from iPod sales. The record companies' position is based on the dubious argument that digital downloads sell iPods. In fact all the evidence points to the opposite: that iPod sales have driven demand for downloads. The vast majority of digital music sales are made by iPod owners. Cut off Apple and the labels digital sales will slump." More recently Jobs resisted their pressure, and the execs snarked back. Looks like they're getting more serious.

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  1. Quotable quotes by M00NIE · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Quoted from the article: 'What if Jobs says 39 cents or 29 cents per download - what then?'

    *gasp* MORE people might actually BUY your music... NO the humanity, the HUGE MANATEE!

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    1. Re:Quotable quotes by Hugh+Manatee · · Score: 5, Funny

      NO the humanity, the HUGE MANATEE!

      The name's Hugh. Hugh Manatee

  2. Yeah, right by rjung2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many hits does the iTunes Music Store get in a day?

    Hell, how many does it get in an hour?

    Good luck walking away from that, Mr. Nash...

  3. Killing the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg by metternich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's probably just a bluff, but if the Music Industry does go through with this it would be incredibly stupid of them. I know it would be contrary to their agreements with Apple Records, but if the music execs do go ahead with this, I think Apple should start selling music directly from the musicians rather than going through the labels. They could simultaneously reduce the prices and give the musicians much more than they get under their current contracts.

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    1. Re:Killing the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They should do what some slashdotter wrote a while ago.
      When you select songs, the song price should be written and additionally the break-up of where the money goes. When they see 9c to apple, 90c to the record company and 1c to the artist, they'll understand something is wrong.
      Then they'll see indie labels, 10c to apple, 40c to record comapny, 50c to artist.
      And then indie artists, 10c to apple, 90c to artist.

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  4. Re:The original goal of ITMS.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Informative

    no.. that "share" is ipod sales. ITMS barely breaks even.

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  5. Re:Ridiculous by DaveFromChicago · · Score: 5, Funny

    What? You mean the recording industry doesn't get a cut whenever a CD player or a set of speakers is sold? Clearly the music industry is floundering.

  6. 'bout normal by Nf1nk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The recording industry never saw a cash cow they didn't want to kill.

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  7. Could be the best thing to happen to Music by NatteringNabob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd love to see Jobs tell the RIAA members to go screw themselves and open up iTunes as a 'label' for independent artists most of whom would probably be happy to take a much smaller cut then the leaches at the labels do. Talented muscians don't need multi-million dollar marketing campaigns to be successful, they just need an audience. And iTunes could deliver that audience much more efficiently than Warner or Sony/Columbia ever could.

  8. Re:How about a share of iTunes instead? by pete6677 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They don't want it to succeed. The recording industry actions over the last few years have pointed to a common goal: stop online music distribution. It could never be as profitable for the music cartel as physical distribution. I think they allowed iTunes to temporarily succeed with this plan in mind all along so they can later kill it, to establish that there is no market for online music distribution and people can now go back to paying $20 for a CD with 2 good songs on it. But it's too late for that to happen now. The only thing that will ultimately pull the music industry's collective head out of it's collective ass is when well-known artists bypass them altogether. When things like this happen, that day will come sooner rather than later.

  9. The RIAA has a point. by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    iTMS is destroying the RIAA's right to speech:

    1. The RIAA can't pat iTMS DJs and Producers to force users to download the hot song of the week.

    2. The RIAA can't pay iTMS to list the proper version of the Top 40 Charts.

    3. The RIAA can't control which markets get their music, heaven forbid a black consumer getting a listen to Kenny G by accident.

    [/kidding]

  10. I like STEALING THINGS by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fine with me, I'll just go back to stealing music.

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  11. Here's what Apple needs to do... by Chordonblue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First of all - this is a power struggle, plain and simple. The recordcos are, once again, shooting themselves in the foot. They seem to think they're still in charge - Apple should show them otherwise. The first record company to pull out of iTunes should be made an example of.

    Let's say Sony decides to pull out first. Well, then everytime a customer tries to do a search for one of their artists or songs (like Switchfoot for instance), have a big, HUGE message for the customer about how Sony wants to charge more than anyone else does and that Apple isn't playing. Let the iTunes customers know about what Sony is trying to do and to contact them to protest their decision.

    Then when Sony finally comes back to the table, Jobs should demand that Sony's songs go 2 for 1 for a time. Jobs has a lot of power here - iTunes is the number one place to get digital music. I hope he realizes it.

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    1. Re:Here's what Apple needs to do... by vought · · Score: 5, Informative
      Let's say Sony does pull the plug, have all of the pages that previously held their artist information have a small message that state that Sony pulled their artists due to a conflict over pricing.

      The record companies should check with Michael Eisner before they fuck this up badly. You do not renege from a deal with Steve Jobs, and you do not double-cross him at the deal table. Pixar SAVED Disney to a large extent. With the ABC albatross around the neck during the 90s, the only thing Disney made massive revenues from were the box office hits conceived, created, and executed by Pixar.

      When negotiating with Jobs beyond the initial five-picture deal, Disney then tried to play cheap. Pixar walked. Disney is now having to learn how to build Pixar-caliber films all by themselves and they're finding that it's, ah, hard.

      The record companies had better take a lesson from this; if it's just their own stupidity or some other forces causing them to draw a piston on their own foot, they'd better watch it - building a successful online music store isn't easy, and it won't be profitable for them, as selling music through iTMS currently is.

  12. Re:don't blink, Apple by LnxAddct · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Steve Jobs could potentially become the poster boy for our generation from this. If the record labels do pull out, all Steve Jobs has to do is stand up on a soap box and say

    "Look everyone, I tried my hardest to make it easy and affordable for you to get music over the internet. We had succeeded at this and we revolutionized the industry. You and me showed the world that if you were given the choice to affordably download music that you'll choose that over pirating. Alas, the music industry has become extremely greedy. Their profit margins are already extremely inflated and they just want more money. The only option they left open for variable pricing was price increases, but where are the price decreases? It costs them nothing to distribute music this way, its cuts out the cost of the CD, the CD case, the label in the case, the cost of shipping, the cost of manufacturing. It is saving them extreme amounts of money, but they are just becoming greedier. As a result I hope we can all band together and boycott the RIAA, Sony, Warner, etc... Obtain your music through alternate channels, rip it off your old CDs, do what you must but please don't support these labels."

    He would instantly be praised and supported by millions of teens and twentysomethings, cutting nearly completely into the record label's profits. On the other hand, Apple could also simply start their own music label and really rock the industry.
    Regards,
    Steve

  13. Were I Steve Jobs by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Were I Jobs or Apple, I'd pull a preemptive strike. Announce "Since Warner Records doesn't feel the agreement with iTMS is fair, we've decided to resolve the problem. All Warner titles have been removed from iTMS and Warner Records has been released from the agreement. They're now free to market their music through a service whose pricing is more in line with their desired price points.". Then sit back and watch Warner scream as their sales plummet.

  14. A lawyer working for Warner said this: by sgant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kenneth Hertz, partner at Goldring Hertz and Lichtenstein LLP, a law firm representing major recording industry artists said "What if Jobs says 39 cents or 29 cents per download - what then? The industry can say, OK we'll cut him of - very few people buy music from digital downloads... [Jobs] will figure out another model ... The industry got together and said 'We don't want another MTV'. Well, now we've got another MTV, in Apple. And we have to deal with it."

    So, I have to ask...if very few people buy music from digital downloads according to this suit, then what the FUCK do these guys care what price Apple sells their music at? This is greed. Pure greed. The recording industry is so used to making reams of cash without doing any of the actual work that they're lashing out when someone tries to take that away from them.

    And then to turn around and say they want a cut of the profits from the physical iPods themselves shows they have HUGE balls too. I mean, do they get a cut from every CD player sold that plays their music?

    Yes, I'd rather blatantly steal all the music from here to the end of my life then have to pay anything to the bastards that run these companies. I'm sorry to the artists but lets face it, they only see a 10th of the actual cash these companies are actually raking in.

    Or better yet, I won't even listen to music anymore. I'm so pissed off and disenchanted with the whole industry I'll just sit and listen to the birds outside my window...or laugh like a brook as it trips and falls over stones on it's way. Sorry, was channeling "Sound of Music" there....DAMN!

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    1. Re:A lawyer working for Warner said this: by tsm_sf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh they got the moral, but for them it was "kill the goose and get the next egg faster."

      I have to totally agree with the GP. This will drive me back to p2p and the used record stores. Actually, you know what? Fuck this. I like stealing from corporations. I'm tired of trying to do the right thing when I see the wrong thing being rewarded on a macro level every day. How the hell did we get shamed into being "good citizens" by these bastards? It's like listening to Tony Soprano give a "crime doesn't pay" speech.

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    2. Re:A lawyer working for Warner said this: by mr_shifty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Damn skippy.

      I pay on average $3-$8 for used CDs in "like new" condition, via Amazon.com.

      No low-quality downloads, no DRM, no overpriced songs I can't play where I want, on whatever device I want. No bullshit.

      Why in the world would I ever even consider paying a dollar per TRACK of the same music, only to have harsh restrictions placed on me as to where I can play it, and how many times I can copy it to other devices?

      Screw that. As long as I can still buy CDs used, that's the route I'll take. If iTunes Music Store goes the way of the dodo, I guess it won't bother me.

      Between you, me, and the dodo, though, the RIAA's dumber than a sack of hammers to let a potential cash cow like this die.

      Free money. For a product they already have. Being sold by someone giving them a cut. For something they otherwise wouldn't be selling at all.

      What collossally stupid people must they be, those in charge of the major labels. These are potentially the best years to get in on the ground floor of the internet music revolution, and here they are, trying to stamp it out and drive themselves out of business.

      Heh.

      And I thought music execs liked money. I guess they don't.

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  15. Apple gets 4 cents on every 99 cent download by saha · · Score: 5, Informative
    First I think Apple earning only 4 cents for every 99 cent download is very reasonable. Considering it is Apple who hosts the iTMS (servers, bandwidth and ...other over head), R&D for the iPod and they came up with an elegant solution for consumers to gain access to music from a wide variety of labels under one roof.

    The record industry is too anachronistic to have the foresight to create this solution themselves and are still obsessed with selling a solid medium (LPs, tapes, CDs), while treating its customers as criminals and artists as expendable commodities that can ignore paying royalties if they can help it

    A brief look at the practices of the record industry reveals that they are the dishonest lot:

    Apple earns less than a nickel per iTunes track

    States settle CD price-fixing case

    RIAA Continues Distributing Dud CDs to Satisfy Settlement

    A music industry case study Shows how little the artist makes thanks to middle men like the record industry

    Wal-Mart Wants $10 CDsRemember when CDs first came out and people said it was too expensive and the record industry promised that it would go below $10 eventually. Never happened

    How Apple saved the music biz

    FTC: Labels charged with price-fixing - again

    Music Firms to Look Harder For Artists Owed Royalties Spitzer announced a settlement in which the nation's five largest recording companies promised to do a better job of tracking down and paying $50 million in unclaimed royalties to thousands of performers.

    Finally, last night 2005-Sep-29 on Nightly Business Review (NBR) was a four part series on the music industry. It shows how iTMS allowed one relatively unknown electronica artist sell directly to her consumers with the iTMS . Her music was featured on NPR and then people all over the world wanted to download and listen to her music. Stores like iTMS are the great equalizer from years of abuse from the greedy record labels. "The Business of Music,"-Part 4: The Down Low On Download Distribution

  16. This just in... by meadandale · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Having just bought an iPod in the last week and bought my first music in well over 3 years via iTunes I have only this to say to the RIAA and these Music Industry morons:

    Force iTunes out of business and I'll revert to stealing your music.

    Downloads on iTunes aren't cheap. On the contrary, at a buck a song, it is only marginally cheaper to buy music on iTunes (though arguably more convenient). So, with no physical product to produce and distribute, we are being charged almost the same amount as if we go into a store and buy a CD? And you want to charge more?

    What part of 'greedy fscking assholes' don't you understand?

    1. Re:This just in... by EntropyEngine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well over here in England, it's quite a lot cheaper to buy music from iTunes than it is to buy from the high street.

      The greed of the music labels really does know no bounds.

      It's just pure greed that they want a slice of iPod sales.

      These people are just parasites feeding off the very entity that saved their collective margins from a razor-thin oblivion.

      Will they ever learn? Of course not.

      I don't see any other alternative than for piracy to rise again and their sales to fall for them to realize the error of their ways. But with their totally blinkered attitude, all that they would do is put on yet more spin on the economics and blame some other nameless / faceless force for their own idiocy...

  17. 4th option by ifwm · · Score: 5, Funny

    The finger