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Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 Released
Juha-Matti Laurio writes "MozillaZine has a report about new Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 release. Among other changes, this minor release includes fixes for the Linux command line URL parsing security flaw. Thunderbird 1.0.7 can be downloaded from the Thunderbird product page. 'Extremely Critical' Secunia advisory will be updated very soon."
You know, I just realised something... For years I've been using various e-mail clients...initially mainly OE, than Thunderbird (with some other in between, for shiorter periods of time). However, my email usage skyrocketed (literally) in last year, since I've been using Gmail. Sudennly...using mails started to be a joy for communication, somehow :/
So...what did I miss while using clients? Or perhaps...what do they miss?
One that hath name thou can not otter
Will it ever work?
Sigs are for the weak.
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"
You forget the last part: and then all my other games stopped working, because it wrote DirectX version N over DirectX version (N+p) (p>0).
But what does this have to do with Thunderbird?
It's a copy & pasted troll that appears in pretty much every article; it's in this one twice already...
I mod down anyone who says "I will be modded down for this", regardless of the rest of their comment
1.0.7 has been out for a few days now. A little bit late?
The 1.5 beta has inline spellchecking, some new RSS features and a nicer options UI.s es/1.5beta1.html
http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/relea
Bagh. I still use Eudora Pro 3.0.5. What else could I possibly need from an email client?
I'd settle for Firefox being faster on Linux. On the same hardware, Firefox on a Windows 2000 install runs much, MUCH faster then it does on an Ubuntu Linux (or for that matter any Linux I've tried) install. What's all that about?
I like the Playboy Bunny Favicon... screencap
I remember a time when trolls used to be a bit more funny...
Don't know about you but my firefox looks better on linux than windows, decent GTK theme, good fonts installed with the font server configured etc.
It's just a pity that they(Moz) don't want people to know about the security issues. 1.0.7 is vulnurable to a DoS, as reported by Georgi, but where's the info on mozilla.org?
I'd love to use a secure browser.. I used to believe FF was "it", but now I'm searching for alternatives once again..
I'm going to hazard that what you're seeing is a problem with your distribution, not Firefox itself. Firefox on Linux is quite capable of being pretty.
As much as I love Thunderbird, I would like to see it integrated with Firefox. I understand that both programs are small, however, when run at the same time they use an insane amount of memory that IE+Outlook Express doesn't. Plus, I would like to be notified of new emails in Firefox without having to open Thunderbird. How long before they merge the two?
"On the same hardware, Firefox on a Windows 2000 install runs much, MUCH faster then it does on an Ubuntu Linux (or for that matter any Linux I've tried) install. What's all that about?"
GTK for one. I haven't looked through the source so I will let someone with actual knowlege handle the rest.
As for fonts, while most distros continue to struggle I notice that recent Redhat variants all have superior font support. In fact when I boot back into Windows one of the first things I notice is that their fonts look worse than Fedora. Every distro should make it a priority to support that quality.
Everytime I read about TB or some other mail client I wonder "who the heck is still doing POP3 email"?
Free web email(Gmail and Yahoo) works great for personal stuff. I think most ISPs these dies provide web mail interface but I NEVER like to use them because ISPs change.
I guess if you get volumes of email and need a features to manage it all then maybe.
So my question is who is using TB and the like and why?
Keep the Classic Slashdot.
User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Windows?"
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"
You forget the last part: and then all my other games stopped working, because it wrote DirectX version N over DirectX version (N+p) (p>0).
But what does this have to do with Thunderbird?
Is it just the 'google factor' at work for you? (Meaning either that Google did the job or that the interface is streamlined and snappy enough to make 'webmail' really work?) For me, I'm not sure. I've used various clients over the past decade+ myself. OE, Eudora, netscape communicator suite, outlook (work thing), evolution, kmail, other odd-balls, and lately g-mail. (Most anything except Mac system clients, really.) My own recollections are that, for me, OE on win probably worked overall the best, but considering the security record, I haven't touched it in many years. Otherwise, IMO, *all* client-side POP/IMAP clients tend to suck ass in some respect or another. (security, config'ability, encryption support, contact management/import/export, mail format import/export, calendar integration, other misc. bits). Also, being someone who jumps around various OS's, various computers (my own, plus relatives and in-laws), config'ing yet another mail client to get to my mail is a PITA. Let alone that I've never had a dialup ISP provide IMAP.
/dear google >
;-)
Now, along comes Google with their AJAX (whatever) web-based thing, and webmail is responsive enough to use withOUT full page-loads any time I click somewhere. I had been just S-POP'ing my gmail to a local client (and to a thumbdrive version of thunderbird), but lately I'm just logging in via the web server and dealing with it there. I will say that I have seen some odd quirks in g-mail's behavior (I reply'ed to a message and it filled out the wrong TO addy) and that there are a few things I'd like thought out differently (various operations and functions are accessed in slightly different ways), so I'm not fully sold there either.
< dear google >
If g-mail provided iCal service for people and then linked that over to the gmail accounts, then I'd be a fairly happy guy.
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Call me picky, I guess... it'd be fair enough.
Until Pat updates -current (and /patches), I made a 1.0.7 pack using his slackbuild script:
r d/
http://rlworkman.net/linux/pkgs/mozilla-thunderbi
RW
I'll bet your Eudora Pro 3.0.5 doesn't integrate well with Mozilla Firefox, does it? Can you use the same theme as Firefox to have a consistent looking environment? No. Can you EVEN theme Eudora Pro? No. Plus, Thunderbird and Firefox are both open source, so I'm free to hack it if I want. But I don't need to because the two are already perfect. Well I'd like to see the two integrated better, but that's just me. Plus it's free. You're Eudora Pro is being left behind the new wave of open source software. Join the Mozilla team today! http://www.mozilla.org/ and give Firefox and Thunderbird a spin. You won't be able to go back to IE and Eudora.
Your points have been disproven just about every time in every thread you've posted that copy-paste troll in. We need a new mod category, -1 Copy-Paste Troll.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
Better yet, on Windows they could allow T-Bird/Seamonkey/Mozilla to import email and settings from something other than Outlook/Outlook Express/ Eudora.
Until the email client can import from other previous versions (Say Seamonkey can import Mozilla & Tbird, and T-bird can import from other versions of itself) by using a widget, not twenty manual steps, the email client is a big no-no.
I know that the import widget exists, because it was included in one of the Mozilla builds - a long time ago. Unfortionatly, there was a decision to remove the import from Mozilla function. A very stupid one.
Funny...we're thinking about the same thing: recently I've realised that adress http://calendar.google.com/ (as opposed to http://boo.google.com/ for example) is actually configured on their server and working, although right now it points only to their search site. Could they be preparing for something? :) I mean...why configure the adress at all?
And half a year ago I mailed Google with proposition that they can perhaps do something like Hula
http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html (worth reading IMHO...)
http://hula-project.org/
http://www.nat.org/2005/february/#15-February-2005
http://nat.org/2005/august/hula.html - how it looks now
Hmmm...easy webcalendar, with parts made "public" so other people can see what you're planning partly, and integration with Gmail to announce something automatically to others/retrieve their calendars/etc.
Another feature that isn't mentioned anywhere and would be great IMHO - some kind of collage of few webcalendars (of others) on one, yours, so you can adjust...
I actually submitted this recently to /. but it got rejected...oh well, fvck this.
But back on topic.
I should say "ignore me", I remember suddenly that on my own computers I haven't had acces to the net through most of last year :P
However...I DID noticed extremelly high, compared to previous times, email usage on my part...I guess thanks to something that Gmail done right and you probably mention.
(BTW, too bad I never played with IMAP really...but I haven't stumbled upon any free provider that I know wouldn't suck and any client for that matter...but when you think about it, Gmail is conceptually very similar to IMAP...)
One that hath name thou can not otter
(I forgot, again, to check "use txt"...why isn't it default dammit...)
:) I mean...why configure the adress at all?5 /. but it got rejected...oh well, fvck this.
:P
Funny...we're thinking about the same thing: recently I've realised that adress http://calendar.google.com/ (as opposed to http://boo.google.com/ for example) is actually configured on their server and working, although right now it points only to their search site. Could they be preparing for something?
And half a year ago I mailed Google with proposition that they can perhaps do something like Hula
http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html (worth reading IMHO...)
http://hula-project.org/
http://www.nat.org/2005/february/#15-February-200
http://nat.org/2005/august/hula.html - how it looks now
Hmmm...easy webcalendar, with parts made "public" so other people can see what you're planning partly, and integration with Gmail to announce something automatically to others/retrieve their calendars/etc.
Another feature that isn't mentioned anywhere and would be great IMHO - some kind of collage of few webcalendars (of others) on one, yours, so you can adjust...
I actually submitted this recently to
But back on topic.
I should say "ignore me", I remember suddenly that on my own computers I haven't had acces to the net through most of last year
However...I DID noticed extremelly high, compared to previous times, email usage on my part...I guess thanks to something that Gmail done right and you probably mention.
(BTW, too bad I never played with IMAP really...but I haven't stumbled upon any free provider that I know wouldn't suck and any client for that matter...but when you think about it, Gmail is conceptually very similar to IMAP...)
One that hath name thou can not otter
Back then, we used punchcards to write data on. Those were the days!
Care to provide some instructions so this issue will finally go away?
Does a Christian soccer team even need a goalkeeper?
Or you could use SeaMonkey. I mean, if you're going to be using Firefox + Thunderbird, you might as well download the suite, which uses less hard drive space and memory. The mail client has had inline spellchecking for a while, virtual folders, and warns you if it thinks a message is a scam. It's at least worth checking out.
The World is Yours.
Thunderbird has been a great proggy for my use, though one thing seems to bug me: just about every POP/IMAP client seems to support some form of external filtering in Linux, Thunderbird doesn't, what gives? If only I could run spamassassin and clamav...
I *could* go for fetchmail + local mta + procmail, but I'm so damn *lazy* and Thunderbird has a nice GUI...
Is there a way to combine multi-part messages in Thunderbird yet? (yes, insert porn joke here) That's the only reason I still run OE.
Why are you still complaining about fonts? This has been fixed many years ago.
Oh well, what the hell...
If you're already in Linux, shouldn't you be using Evolution? IMHO its way better.
Most people on Slashdot don't need the organizer since they have to life to schedule things for. Might as well save the RAM.
There's only 5 font types (Serif, Sans-serif, cursive, fantasy, monospace) for any browser, period. One could use locally installed fonts using CSS by using the font-family property but then you're calling on local fonts which aren't going to be 100% consistent. 80% consistent maybe but that's good enough for most people.
Fonts aren't cheap which is why Linux has an extremely limited library of them. Bitsream was kind enough to donate their Vera family to Linux and I am extremely grateful for that. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on fonts for the Mac in years past and type face authors are greedy like the RIAA when it comes to fonts.
Actually a default installation of a Fedora flavor looks as good as an out of the box Mac. If your work requires custom fonts, then Linux won't be good enough
if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
As much as I would love to try out Thunderbird, there is one basic problem. Once I move all my existing OUtlook mail to it, I can't move BACK to outlook. Granted this is OUtlook's problem, but if Open Source projects would like more people to try it, they should add an "Export to YYY Format" as they have done for INPORT. How hard could it be? They already have it working in one direction, why not add to a second. Blah p.s. Yes, I know. Put my money where my mouth is, but I am not a programmer :)
GTK for one. Firefox doesn't use GTK+ for its UI. If it would, it'd be much faster (compare for example the UI speed of epiphany to firefox). It uses XUL and CSS.
I love the speed of epiphany and its consistency and integration with the gnome desktop, but there are certain firefox features I can't do without, like adblock, smooth scrolling, the search box, and mouse gestures. I wish epiphany would implement these or firefox to start using gtk+ and the gnome libs, at least on the linux version.
VStrider.
I just hope I never wake up and see : "Installing: Sentience ..."
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Installing:
kernel i686 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 updates-released 16 M
kernel-devel i686 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 updates-released 4.2 M
Updating:
gtk2 i386 2.6.10-2 updates-released 4.8 M
gtk2-devel i386 2.6.10-2 updates-released 2.6 M
thunderbird i386 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 updates-released 14 M
unixODBC i386 2.2.11-3.FC4.1 updates-released 859 k
util-linux i386 2.12p-9.12 updates-released 1.6 M
vino i386 2.10.0-4.1 updates-released 288 k
Transaction Summary
Install 2 Package(s)
Update 6 Package(s)
Remove 0 Package(s)
Total download size: 43 M
Downloading Packages:
Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
Installed: kernel.i686 0:2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 kernel-devel.i686 0:2.6.13-1.1526_FC4
Updated: gtk2.i386 0:2.6.10-2 gtk2-devel.i386 0:2.6.10-2 thunderbird.i386 0:1.0.7-1.1.fc4 unixODBC.i386 0:2.2.11-3.FC4.1 util-linux.i386 0:2.12p-9.12 vino.i386 0:2.10.0-4.1
Complete! /usr/local/bin/yum.sh ended on Sat Oct 1 10:32:19 CDT 2005
It seems that Secunia advisory has new information now, late update from Friday says that Linux issue was fixed: http://secunia.com/advisories/16901/
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> I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on fonts for the Mac in years past and type face authors are greedy like the RIAA when it comes to fonts.
Considering that a very well designed professional font (a rare thing) might take one or two years to design, just for a single wight and width, I wouldn't call it greedy for these authors to get a meager percentage of the 50 to 200$ foundries charge. ;)
I laugh every time I see this troll. Sadly though, this is the 10,000 foot view many have of the Linux and F/OSS community at large.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Evolution is way better of a program to use in Linux *if you're using Gnome.* Under KDE, Evolution looks absolutely crappy. Thunderbird still looks okay, especially since it can be reskinned. When I used KDE, thunderbird + Kontact handled my PIM/E-mail as KMail bites. Now I use Gnome and have a much better time with Evolution. It is what MS Outlook should have been.
Just "gittin-r-done," day after day.
At least you admit that Linux will fall, just like Rome, under its own weight and mismangement.
"""
Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".
"""
Windows
-- Task: install latest version of Firefox
-- Open browser.
-- Go to Mozilla.org.
-- Click download link.
-- Go through "where do you want to save this?" pop-up windows.
-- Close / minize browser.
-- Open Windows Explorer.
-- Remember where I saved the setup EXE.
-- Hmmm... It's not there. Maybe here.
-- OK, double-click setup.
-- Follow directions in pop-up windows.
-- Luckily, I don't have to reboot for this one.
-- Double-click icon on desktop.
Fedora Core 4 Linux
-- Task: install latest version of Firefox
-- Open terminal.
-- Type in "yum install firefox".
-- Type "y".
-- Double-click icon on desktop.
Maybe N.O.W. should have gotten Mattel to change the talking Barbie to say, "Installing software on Linux is hard!".
What's that? You want to install a program on FC4 that isn't in the default repository? You dumb bastard! Now you prob'ly have edit a text file to add a new repository to the list. Oh, the horrors!
Now, if you want to talk about easy, let's talk UPDATING.
Windows
-- Task: update OS and installed programs
-- Go to WindowsUpdate.com.
-- Reboot.
-- Repeat a couple times.
-- Go to the website of program A.
-- Look to see if there's a new version.
-- If there is, download it and install it, as above.
-- Repeat for EVERY program on the system.
Fedora Core 4 Linux
-- Task: update OS and installed programs
-- Open terminal.
-- Type in "yum update".
-- Click "y".
yum/apt/emerge works for TENS-OF-THOUSANDS of programs. Take your pick. WindowsUpdate.com (barely) works for the OS, and a couple of their buddies (But only for their drivers). WindowsUpdate.com doesn't even update MS Office... WTF!!!
'Scuse me, but if your work requires custom fonts - do what you'd have to do anyway on any OS and "install" them. That's about as easy as drag 'n drop on any desktop OS out there. Yes, also on linux - I did say desktop OS didn't I?
OfficeUpdate.Microsoft.Com updates Office, does it not?
I think I have you all beaten. To get the latest Firefox version in Ubuntu: -- See little GUI pop-up saying "New updates available." This happens automatically. -- Click on "Show Updates" -- Type in user password. -- Hit "Accept." No CLI, no typing in commands. It doesn't get any easier than this and you can upgrade the WHOLE OS this way. Try doing that through Windows Update...
Just "gittin-r-done," day after day.
FYI. the new free e-mail provided by.... AOL (boo). For aim accounts mail.aim.com gives you 2gigs of online space, and IMAP access. I'm not thrilled with their online interface, things like no serverside filtering, except for spam. But it is a nice free IMAP space to play with.
winky footface springy sandwich. Blocka blocka wocka wocka. Hooperfish melt horse wipe sniffer. Pffft!
I particularly enjoy rubbing your noses in my towering intellect. On a personal note, I am an avid mustard enthusiast.
When will they fix the run-mozilla.sh bug on Linux?
Am I the only one experiencing this bug?
It's the only thing that crashes my browser, as it seems.
I just signed up for bgxmail, and this is a portion of my introductory email.
t phz&p=3053&l=1
Please note that in order to keep this account, you must fill out the form located here (only do this if you live in the US - you should NOT do this if you do not live in the US): http://www.lynxtrack.com/afclick.php?o=445&b=g8cm
-You need only to fill out the first page.
Use the following info:
Property Location: District of Columbia
Loan Type: Home Improvement
Property Value: 780,000-800,000
Mortgage Balance: 95,000-100,000
Rate your credit: excellent
If in the US: -If the form above is not filled out, this account will be deleted in 24 hours.
If not in the US: Your account will not be deleted regardless of filling out this form or not.
What the hell is this all about? I didn't click on the link of course, but what are they trying to do...scam me for money? This isn't the kind of thing hotmail, yahoo mail or gmail would send a customer. And it most certainly is not something an ISP would send to a customer. This came as part of the email introducing me to the service, and telling me how to set up my mail client. Should I even use this service???? I am having bad feelings about it.
One would also require applications that use font management (when you're used to having 10,000+ fonts on a system) and also applications that output in print ready files which Linux lacks.
Has the grave bug of lack of basic functionality like reply-to-mailing-list fixed yet?
Help us build a better map!
There go my mod points, but whatever.
I guess you haven't noticed that you can just copy the mailbox and index files of the old installation into the mail directory of the new installation, no? This works since the Moz 0.x days and also between Mozilla Mail and Thunderbird, even cross-platform between Windows, Linux and OSX.
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
...Why is this newsworthy?
Information wants to be anthropomorphized!
XUL supports "native" widgets, which themes can use if they wish. Because of this, GTK is used quite a bit.
Does this version know how to read attachments send from an Outlook (lookout) client?
The last few didn't
Keep your mod points: however this requires that I set up the account (each account), then find the correct folders that are associated with each account, and copy them over by hand.
Much easier to say "Import Settings, contacts and email from xyz" Also, it's something I can tell business zombies to do, while copying the account by hand is not.
Possibly, but it doesn't update anything third-party.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
I do use Eudora 5 on Windows. It has some good features such as editing received e-mail messages that I haven't seen in any other clients.
Wish I could, but alas I didn't write down what I did when I did it, mostly it involved quite a lot of effort trying to work out what font server is being used, then installing the various needed fonts for it, then fiddling with the configuration files for that server so that it actually anti-aliased all fonts of all sizes as I think it defaulted to only anti-alias fonts of over a certain size, ergo not normal web fonts.
:)
But it was a long time ago, as my mother says, I've slept since then
...you use FF 1.0.7 to read the Slashdot article about the release of FF 1.0.7. Sheesh.
Human being (n.): A genetically human, genetically distinct, functioning organism.
Fair enough I could probably dig the info out from Google, however your explanation sounds like fodder for that copy-paste troll lol.
Does a Christian soccer team even need a goalkeeper?
Firefox doesn't use any native gtk widgets on my system. It tries to look more consistent with gtk, but you can tell it's CSS themes and not native widgets althouth it looks quite similar. And all dialogs(open/save) look like windows dialogs.
VStrider.
I'd rather see spamassassin do that modding.
Ironic, considering that Quake 3 is one of the few games which use OpenGL and not Direct3D.
Then actually you and me pursue different strategies of dealing with multiple mail accounts. I really *hate* setting up multiple accounts (partly because of the hassle you mention), so I redirect mail from all the other accounts to my main account and sort them into separate folders on arrival. Maybe this can save you lots of time, I know it does for me.
;) )
(Yeah, I know that it's a single point of failure, but I haven't had *any* mail outages in seven or eight years, and if the main mail server fails, there's still two failbacks on different networks, so what the fuck.
As for the mod points - if you moderate in a discussion and post afterwards, your mod point will be lost, that was what I was referring to. My reply cost me three points, but if my post helped just one slashbot, it's well worth it, and I regularly get mod points anyway.
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?