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Wifi Camera Uploads without Computer

* * Beatles-Beatles writes to tell us NewsDay is reporting that Kodak has released the first "computer-free wireless camera." The new widget can connect directly to the Internet wherever there's Wi-Fi available to download and e-mail pictures. Users can even use the camera to view photos stored in Internet photo albums via Kodak's Easyshare Gallery service.

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  1. Re:What's the big deal? by John+Nowak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your cellphone has a multi-mega pixel resolution and doesn't require a service plan? Wow.

  2. clever maneuver by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple made a product that seemlessly connects users to their online service, and iTunes as I understand it, and I'm guessing as a result, has a 90% marketshare of online music sales. Though the ability to "view photos stored in Internet photo albums via Kodak's Easyshare Gallery service" without a computer involved is an untapped market, you can expect other companies to follow Kodak's lead. But, in addition to having a great brand, Kodak will dominate this new market largely because they got there first. From the article: "Cameras, I believe, are moving from the wired world towards the wireless world," said Lee, director of consumer services at InfoTrends. "It's not going to happen this year but, starting next year, you're going to definitely see some more cameras coming that incorporate wireless-transfer capabilities."

  3. No FTP upload? by TuxPaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The provided URLs don't say whether it allows FTP upload, so I'd say no.

    Ahh, businesses always thinking about the users, by leaving out obvious features so that they can sell services that provide those missing features.

  4. and e-mail pictures. by MavEtJu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and e-mail pictures

    When will people understand that SMTP isn't a file transport medium?

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    1. Re:and e-mail pictures. by CdBee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everyone who uses gmail as a low-tech backup medium might disagree with you.

      Its flawed but not everyone can securely configure a remote file-server. Email's a tool that's universally available to net-connected people, and the rise of large inboxes makes it highly practical.

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    2. Re:and e-mail pictures. by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do you need a hug?

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    3. Re:and e-mail pictures. by Ziviyr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its a text transport medium. Files are ground up into text and stuck in it. It is inefficient at best, and doesn't change the nature of the medium at all.

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    4. Re:and e-mail pictures. by tintub · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had some trouble adapetting to your attrocious spelling, but then I learned to love the bomb.

      Whereas spelling 'adapt' as 'adapet' is obviously a typo, turning 'adapet' into 'adapetting' rather than 'adapeting' and spelling 'atrocious' as 'attrocious' is obviously plain old stupidity, especially in a post complaining about spelling!

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  5. And... by Gobelet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does it support WPA? WEP? If it doesn't it's not even worth it.

  6. Re:That's interesting, but... by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nikon's D2X, the holy grail of cameras, can upload wirelessly via ftp when in range. All I'm seeing in the article is that the camera forces you to use some service that they offer, something more annoying than straight up FTP. Nothing to see here. What am I missing?

  7. Tactical possibilities in conflict situations by Kream · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Coming from a country where major riots and civil disturbances have flared up several times in a decade, and where the electoral process in certain areas is inflected with violence, this may be a very positive development.

    Visual documentation of violence, including street violence, is something that is very powerful in these circumstances. A network of WiFi cameras that connects to a battery-powered wireless switch(es) could turn this into an extremely powerful journalistic tool.

    Journalists, especially some very courageous ones, have had their (expensive) equipment seized and smashed - even by the police. In effect, the very act of powerfull and provocative reportage causes the reportage to be fuitless. A couple of cheap wireless cameras clipped onto someone's lapel or mounted in places where there is a clear field of view could provide (highly incriminating?) video data even upto the moment the cameras were destroyed.

    And think of the possibilities for exposing corruption. If you were to go to, say, a police station where you knew a bribe would be demanded of you, with the intent of secretly filming the proceedings, you'd be banking on the camera remaining undetected and being able to take the recording away with you. With a WiFi camera broadcasting to an Internet-connected laptop(s) across the street, things change quickly :)

    Cheers,

    Aniruddha "Karim" Shankar

    1. Re:Tactical possibilities in conflict situations by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Except of course now you're expecting there to be wifi spots at the same places there are riots and civil disturbances. It's hard enough to find wifi access at the best of times, let alone in a pitched battle rolling back and forth between streets. And if there were, no doubt you'd have to stand quite still while your pics were uploaded which wouldn't necessarily be convenient at the time. If that weren't unlikely enough a totalitarian state is likely to have little internet access or extremely restricted access. On top of that is Kodak itself. Their site probably pitches itself as "family friendly" so you can bet that any civil disobediance pics would be wiped off their site without a second's thought.

      I wouldn't diss the idea completely - after all if your camera would connect to an ad-hoc network you could perhaps arrange for someone with a PDA or small laptop to shadow you at some distance and broadcast the pics back to them, but it would still be an awkward arrangement. And its doubtful that this camera would help you do that.

      Perhaps it's simpler and equally effective to use redundancy - multiple photographers, with each passing their filled memory cards to runners.

    2. Re:Tactical possibilities in conflict situations by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bring the wireless with you. It wouldnt be the most efficient (or cheap), but if you had the right cellphone/pda/laptop/external aentenna/wireless router combo sitting in your car, you'd be able to take unlimited[1] pictures and have them stored remotely before anyone can destroy your setup.

      [1] Atleast, a lot more than you could get out of a conventional rig. You don't want to slap in a new roll of film or another memory card in the middle of something like this. Hopefully this will be hackable enough that people can create stuff to upload only locally, so that all you would need would be a wireless router in your car and a network storage device.

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    3. Re:Tactical possibilities in conflict situations by Kream · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Except of course now you're expecting there to be wifi spots at the same places there are riots and civil disturbances.

      Let me clarify. A civil society organisation or an NGO or a news gathering organisation could easily put in place combos of wifi hubs with cheap UPS battery backup during conflict situations since the worst violence is often orchestrated and happens a few days after the initial flareup. That would allow it's reporters / photographers / videographers to capture events and constantly keep on uploading them to base camp, from where they could be dumped/mirrored onto the 'net.

      And if there were, no doubt you'd have to stand quite still while your pics were uploaded which wouldn't necessarily be convenient at the time.

      I'm not sure I understand. I've managed get WiFi net access from a laptop while riding in a cycle-rickshaw. I would assume that the camera, since it's WiFi didn't expect me to remain stock still while the images were uploading.

      If that weren't unlikely enough a totalitarian state is likely to have little internet access or extremely restricted access.

      The point is not to get the cameras to upload to the Internet - but to upload to someone's laptop back in base camp. from there, an org could burn VCDs, use various (stega/ssh/proxies/tor/freenet) methods to put the material onto the net.

      On top of that is Kodak itself. Their site probably pitches itself as "family friendly" so you can bet that any civil disobediance pics would be wiped off their site without a second's thought.

      Well, the article talks about how the camera can be used to view pics from Kodak's site..and that it can email (or otherwise transfer) the pics FROM the camera. There're a number of places that are more hospitable to civil disobedience pics than familyroom.kodak.com

      I wouldn't diss the idea completely - after all if your camera would connect to an ad-hoc network you could perhaps arrange for someone with a PDA or small laptop to shadow you at some distance and broadcast the pics back to them, but it would still be an awkward arrangement.

      Why ? that would be perfect. The camera would only need batteries. F'rex, a minority area is being threatened by a majority area. Place cameras on rooftops/overlooking approach roads, have them constantly take pics and mail them. Even if the cams were found and destroyed in the subsequent violence, they'd have done their jobs.

      Perhaps it's simpler and equally effective to use redundancy - multiple photographers, with each passing their filled memory cards to runners.

      That's the point. You can block/kill the runners and smash the cameras. Once you do that, no more coverage. Imagine if you could film a policeman trying to smash your camera up, and have the satisfaction of knowing that while he may be able to smash your camera, the images of that act will live on...

      cheers,

      Aniruddha "Karim" Shankar

  8. not the first standalone wireless camera... by bsyd · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've got a Sony SNC-RZ30 at work since two years and it has got wireless, smtp, ftp, web and alarm capabilities... See it here

  9. Re:That's interesting, but... by NickFortune · · Score: 4, Informative
    What am I missing?

    Kodak thinks it has found a solution to plumetting revenue as everyone in the world suddenly goes digital. If everyone in the world pays five bucks a month rent^H^H^H^Hservice charge then even after T-Mbile takes a slice, Kodak are going to be happy unies once again. And of course you have these Kodak branded print kiosks as well.

    I can't see it working myself, both for the reasons you describe, and for the fact that after paying $600 for the damn thing, I;d be anoyed to have to pay $5 a month to keep it working.

    Especaially since the damn thing doesn't seem to have an option to talk to my computer direct. To say nothing of all the folks who already pay T-Mobile or similar for basically the same service for their phones...

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  10. I can see it now... by tacarat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Front page /. "A hack firmware hack has been published that enables a person with a kodak wireless camera to specify the photo uploads to multiple websites, not just the Kodak easyshare gallery. Streaming video features have also been enabled." The living room of an unspecified porn star: "Wow! This is the seventh camera I've recieved today!"

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  11. Good for demonstrations by putko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One problem at demonstrations is that the cops attempt to seize and destroy images (video/cameras) made by people there attempting to document abuses by the cops.

    This would solve that problem -- realtime uploading of the images to a location where the cops can't get them.

    This doesn't apply to America, where cops are all lawful and good (/sarc) -- but rather, to countries that have repressive governments and no free exchange of information.

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    1. Re:Good for demonstrations by twoshortplanks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My mobile phone already does this. And I don't need to be near a wifi hotspot to do it.

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  12. Download pictures? by John+Hurliman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wouldn't a camera that could upload pictures be more useful? Sorry to be pedantic but this is Slashdot we're talking about.

  13. Re:That's interesting, but... by neonstz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, with $5000 for the camera and $500 for the wireless addon, I don't think the target audiences for the D2X and the kodak product don't overlap.

    The D2X is one heck of a camera, and if I ever get the money I'll replace my D70 with one...

  14. Re:We'll see. by DJCF · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Most people don't like PCs -- they see them as slow and ugly behemoths, and most of them don't work without crashing every five minutes (spyware, etc.). That's why there is a percieved 'demand' for devices which bypass the computer.

    It...really... annoys me.

  15. Post-PC world by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This is the type of device that's perfect for someone who wants to take digital pictures, but doesn't want a PC (or a Mac or a Linux machine). I was talking to an engineer from a large European telecom company and he told me about an increase the numbers of non-PC-owners with digital cameras. They keep all their photos on memory cards (cards are so cheap its pennies per photo), print directly from the card (at shops or with printers that accept memory cards), show their photos on TVs, etc. No PC required.

    With a camera that can email or post photos to a website, its just another reason not to get a PC (for some people).

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  16. Re:That's interesting, but... by alperthereal · · Score: 2, Informative

    true, most of the hi-end cell phones are capable of doing this; but, we are talking about a digital camera here -- 4 megapixels, 3x optical zoom, etc. (if i am not mistaken) the highest resolution you can get from a built-in cell phone camera is 2.

  17. Re:That's interesting, but... by spec8472 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're not missing anything.

    Canon's EOS 1Ds Mark II and 20D cameras do Wireless + FTP Uploading too, given the appropriate wireless adaptor (WFT-E1, for both of them).

    Note for anyone fact checking: The Canon EOS 20D needs a firmware update (free) to support the WFT-E1, but otherwise works fine on wireless.

  18. NOT INSIGHTFUL. by hummassa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The parent poster had already said: infiltrate the cameras and some battery-operated hotspots. The cameras, policeman can see and seize and smash. The hotspots will be connected to the Net (via GPRS for instance) and will be invisible to the Man.... and even if found and seized the damage would have been done already.

    It's not "simpler" not "equally effective" to have "runners" getting memory cards. Supposedly a wi-fi camera has the option to upload immediately each foto after taken.

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  19. Security by Crouty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one that thinks an access point that fakes an Easyshare connection could be fun? It would not only give you the pictures currently uploaded but also access to the rest of the user's Easyshare galleries. Who would have thought sharing would be *that* easy?

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  20. BFD by pcjunky · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dlink has had WIFI equiped video cameras with built in FTP to send stills to an Internet server for over a year now.

  21. Re:That's interesting, but... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 2, Informative
    That's because even beyond that, Kodak is well behind the eight ball.

    When digital loomed as a threat, they held a big strategy meeting, and they brainstormed, and came up with the conclusion "digital is a passing fad", sat on their hands and waited for the market to return to film. Their accounts are significantly worse now, for obvious reasons.

  22. old news by greggman · · Score: 2, Informative

    This may be the first WiFi camera but it's not the first camera that can upload images without a computer.

    Sony has had bluetooth enabled cameras that can connect to the net and upload images if you have a bluetooth cell phone for 2-3 years now. (no computer needed)

    And of course all the cellphones with camears built in do it just fine without a computer including the 7 megapixel samsung.

  23. So Exciting by VaticDart · · Score: 2, Funny

    Woooooo whoooooo! A Canon vs. Nikon flamewar on Slashdot!

  24. Re:That's interesting, but... by shmlco · · Score: 2, Informative

    Might refine that search. A $1,900 EOS-1 is a film, not digital, camera. EOS-1 series DIGITAL cameras are the 1D, 1Ds, 1D MII, and 1Ds MII.

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