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PC World's 100 Best Products of 2005

insensitive clod writes "PC World published its top 100 best products of 2005. These include Firefox(1), GMail(2), OSX 10.4(3), Alienware Aurora 5500(6), Seagate USB 2.0 Pocket Drive(7), Skype(8), PalmOne Treo 650(10), Google(16), PSP(19), GeForce6600GT(20), Ubuntu(26), iTunes(34), Half-Life 2(38), Wikipedia(60), ThinkPad X41(67), Mac Mini(75), Acronis True Image(83), Opera(88). Surprisingly, iPod only has IPod Photo at 78."

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  1. They published that list in JUNE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's OCTOBER. It's not news anymore. There was a big hubbub about Opera claiming the best browser award despite coming in at #88 compared to Firefox at #1.

    1. Re:They published that list in JUNE by deaddrunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think Opera is quicker but doesn't work as well (or at all) with some websites as Firefox even when identifying itself as IE or Netscape. That isn't Opera's fault but it is irritating which is why I don't use it as much as FF (I very very rarely come across a website that only works in IE these days before you say anything).

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  2. surprisingly? by cryptoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There *are* better things out there than the iPod. How is this surprising? And when you have such a generalized list...well, you will always get strange results. What was the criteria for determining a product that would make the list?

    1. Re:Surprisingly? by Epsillon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Posted at the same time, I imagine. Apparently, there are two of us who can see through the hype and recognise this set of devices for exactly what they are: Marketing tools.

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    2. Re:surprisingly? by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      There *are* better things out there than the iPod. How is this surprising?

      Especially since it's about products of 2005; the iPod debuted in 2001.

    3. Re:surprisingly? by jZnat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it's still 2001 technology; it's not like the iPod has gotten much better other than slimming down and featuring more space. The iPod Photo is a step forward towards catching up with established players like the iRiver, but it's no longer "the best" as Apple has lagged behind in the feature support like decent battery life, audio formats, the ability to turn the screen and/or player off when not in use, and other internals. Back in 2001, sure, I'd place it in the top 100 (probably even top 10), but now it's outdated technology.

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    4. Re:surprisingly? by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There *are* better things out there than the iPod. How is this surprising?

      It's surprising given that the iPod usually takes a couple of slots in the top ten on lists like these.

      And when you have such a generalized list...well, you will always get strange results. What was the criteria for determining a product that would make the list?

      Yeah, that's just it. Why would the iPod fare lower than a hard drive? Or a Rio mp3 player?

      I mean, if I were going to bet on whether an iPod or a Rio would rate higher on a "best products" list, I'd bet on the iPod. This isn't a earth-shattering surprise or anything, just a "huh, didn't expect that" sort of surprise.

    5. Re:surprisingly? by BasilBrush · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which would matter if it wasn't for the fact that the other players have lagged behind in controller technology, ease of use, and integration with computer and music store. i.e. the important stuff.

  3. I'm suprised at the wide variety of products. by keeleysam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Over the years, PC World has becaome very toned down, and I see them only reviewing full PC's, never individual components.

    To see products like:
    NVidia GeForce 6600 GT Graphics Board
    Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 SATA NCQ Internal Hard Drive
    Plextor PX-716UF Rewritable DVD Drive
    Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Motherboard

    That was a nice suprise, and even though I may not agree with the list, it was still interesting to see what they picked.

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    1. Re:I'm suprised at the wide variety of products. by Ubergrendle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the whole you're right, PC World has long since outlived its usefulness... it focuses on the merchandising and mainstream products but usually only catches onto a new, cool device months (years?) after the fact. By the time PC World is trumpeting the 6600GT Graphics Board, the 7800GT is released making it obsolete.

      At one point it was THE magazine to read if you were a home mod hobbiest, or you wanted to know what's going on in the industry. The internet has killed these types of magazines off for the most part... Wired got smart and went more for trend-spotting and reporting. But PCWorld is at the bottom of my list of consults after HardOCP, Anandtech, Toms Hardware, DriverHeaven, etc.

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    2. Re:I'm suprised at the wide variety of products. by Afrosheen · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are trumpeting the 6600GT for exceptional value given its speed and cost. It's really a bargain compared to other 3d cards on the market. Teamed up with SLI, you have a nice box for less money than, say, a pair of 6800's or a pair of 7800's. Personally, I bought the Gigabyte dual-chips-on-a-card, the single board SLI card called the 3D1-XL @ http://gigabyte-usa.com/VGA/Products/Products_GV-3 D1-XL.htm. The one I got is the non-gt version, the gt version is faster and of course costs more. Newegg has them if you want to get a closer look. All I can say is, SLI rocks and so does SLI 8xAA and SLI 16xAA.

  4. 2005, really? by Thantos_42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are we to believe that all those things came about in 2005? The wikipedia article on wikipedia, for instance, mentions that "Wikipedia began as a complement to the expert-written Nupedia on January 15, 2001. "

    1. Re:2005, really? by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Probably the date means "we wrote a review about this in 2005", maybe before 2005 they had no clue about what is the Wikipedia. You know, for them no product exist before they write a review about it.

      And, of course, "best" in this case means "between all we reviewed, this is what we remember to like most", that could or not coincide with your or the rest of the world opinion or an hypotetical, objective truth.

  5. ads by minus_273 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why do some of these products just seem like ads? Its hard not to laugh when you come up on something like this :

    "Microsoft Windows Media Player 10 Media Player" . I have no idea how media player is the best media player. The article cant explain it either. hmmm

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    1. Re:ads by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please note that iTunes at number 34 is also marked as a Media Player. Thus, the words after the link just describe what the product is rather than saying "This is the best _______".

      Also, Windows Media Player 10 is much better than some of the previous ones with respect to interface. And compatibility, too.

      Goodness it's hard to say that with a straight face. I mean, come on. QuickTime 7 beats it hands down in quite a few respects (Mmm. Decent H.264), and even then, QT7 isn't the best media player out there for everything.

  6. Product Inflation by Mulletproof · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um, GMail? Now I know we love google and all, but its web-based email. Admittedly, it has more storage than its competitor, but I'm still missing the part that makes it thesecond best product of 2005. Are we that hard up for products? Of course when it comes to "Top Ten" lists such as these opinions are like armpits, but web-based email? I wouldn't have put it in the top 20, to be honest with you, but that's just IMFreakinO. Number two???? Sigh.

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    1. Re:Product Inflation by David+Horn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, I agree with the article. Gmail is the best web-based mail package hands down. I forward all my email to my Gmail account now.

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    2. Re:Product Inflation by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Informative

      GMail is good web based email. That in itself sets it far ahead of its competitors. It's really the finest example of what a web interface can do.

    3. Re:Product Inflation by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Informative

      10.4 is a lot faster in my experience , It works more swiftly on my old g3 iMac (400mhz g3) (turned off the widgets) .. but besides that .
      It has a great number of functional improvements on the command line and in the system programs .. not to mention the user land programs .. though i do prefer the 10.2 look I don't think there are that many differences on the GUI front
      On my g4 machine it simply flies . spotlight is also grand
      I would rather that Ubuntu had placed higher though (not strictly a 2005 thing )

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    4. Re:Product Inflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe I have gmail to thank for massively increased quotas on my school servers, and of course Yahoo! and Hotmail store lots more stuff now too

    5. Re:Product Inflation by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Informative

      It does require at least 512MB RAM but I have never had a problem with it (both my Macs have 768 , though it was not bad on a 256MB mac mini i had a go on .. till you open up too many programs , a ram upgrade fixed that little glitch)
      I am more a *nix Zealot (though not really a zealot) than a mac zealot , but OS X is one of the best User level *nix's I have ever had the pleasure to use .10.4 has some noticeable improvements as a client computer and some great user level improvements . If your friend can afford it , tell him to get 256MB more ram in the machine , s/he will notice a world of difference .
      Honestly though , the GUI has not really changed bar some of the removed um .. bars . I suspect the problem they are having is to do with Spotlight or running Dashboard .

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  7. 2005 is not over... by seven+of+five · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're confident that nothing good will be introduced in October , November or December?

    1. Re:2005 is not over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, the perils of publishing. I remember in the early Fall of 1989 seeing a great many glossy books and magazines that celebrated the great events that happened over the past decade. Then the Berlin Wall came down. Oops!

  8. One glaring ommission by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I checked the list several times but I couldn't find "Slashdot using CSS" anywhere!

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  9. Raw list?? by backslashdot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I actually clicked the link to RTFA for once. And then all I see is a list! Surely they should specify what the ranking is based on? For me, security and reliability is important. For some people, it's ease of use. And for others, it's whether the icons use cartoon characters. Free advice to PC World: put some context as to what the ranking is based on! What were the criteria? And, if the criterias didnt weigh equally let us know that too?

  10. Interesting that... by jpellino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... only one of the PC World top ten is wintel dependent. Glad to see the blinders are off in this increasingly egalitarian tech world. Compare their 2000 list. And then there's this gem from 1998: "But you won't read much here about ADSL, Net PCs, or USB, among other hyped technologies." Yeah - glad to see we didn't get hoodwinked into that USB nonsense.

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  11. Treo? by mdm144 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if they actually tried to use a Treo 650 for an extended period of time. If they had to deal with the constant hard resets and lock-ups, I don't think it would have been number 10 on the list.

  12. Microsoft's only mention is a controversial 47th?! by D4C5CE · · Score: 2, Interesting
    To be precise, it even says:
    All Products Listed by Ranking
    (...)
    47. Microsoft Windows Media Player 10
    If a distant (and disputed, as by parent) 47th rank is all they can score in the Top 100 for an entire year, and as the whole list seems so heavily populated by penguins (and related species), maybe in Redmond now they ought to worry even more, e.g. about their role as an "innovation leader"...
  13. Re:gmail #2? by FullCircle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I still want folders. The mass of mixed up emails kills me.

    It's still useful to manually separate information without searching each time.

    Other than that I love Gmail.

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  14. Strangely strange by FishandChips · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They seem to stick to the big names, perhaps because they are the names that provide a healthy chunk of the magazine's advertising? Perish the thought.

    Unless I've completely missed them, strange they've omitted Open Office 2 (even if in beta), Debian Sarge (on which so much other software is based) and the Epox EP-9NPA+ Ultra nForce 4 motherboards which do what the tier one boards do only more stably and less expensively. Instead there is an overrated Asus board, a marque so beloved of the "independent" tests run in Tom's Hardware that it seems to win them all before even being switched on. In addition, HalfLife 2 may have been massive but arguably Battlefield 2 has given more fun to more folks without the Valve/Steam online nightmare.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    1. Re:Strangely strange by j!mmy+v. · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Battlefield 2 has given more fun to more folks?"

      That's the craziest shit I've heard in days, and I've been watching the Cooking Channel, too. Battlefield 2 is THE buggiest shit-crap beta game I've EVER played.

      Even the developers agree.

      Steam may have had issues, but they're mostly worked-out, and Steam/HL2 are mostly mature, or close to it. You're very, very silly to put them in the same room as BF2.

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  15. Re:Avant browser is better by Maven-X · · Score: 2, Insightful

    avant?... sorry never heard of it.

    i dont have time to scour the web looking for cult browsers. my point is that for mainstream browsers - part of which firefox has now become - it is clearly a crowd pleaser.

    "crowd pleasing" = doesnt use gay looking icons to enable lusers to click on the correct button in the toolbar (read: internet explorer's BIG gold star favorites button, and the hugely fashionable history button with a big arrow pointing in a counter-clockwise fashion, just so people remember history means in the past).

  16. Treo 650? Guess he hever had to Support Them by puto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well I guess this should be take as a grain of salt.

    I work for a large US cell carrier. I support devices across the data end, pda side, well everything on our network.

    The 650 is the largest hunk of junk that EVER crossed the PDA world. About 1 in 50 work properly.

    And the 650 is used mostly by non techies. Realtors, doctors, lawyers. And salesguys, and people who think it is cool to lug it around. Which is fine.

    We have to replace them out at an alarming rate. Exchanges through the roof. One multinational manufacture of corporate jets, had to have 5 sent to him in one week. I personally oversaw the case, and each unit. Two screens died, one had the white screen of death, and another would not let itself be unlocked for international use..

    Not to mention early models only supporting palm branded blue tooth devices.

    And a PDA that needs a 30 meg update download? Try telling this to the exec on the go.

    I am operating system agnostic, as well as eqipment. I am 35 years old and been in tech all of my life, and never NEVER has anything made me cringe when an escalation hits my desk, and it is usually a 650.

    I wish these reviewers would not use it for a week and then write a review. They need to do a Car and Driver six month review. They would change their tune.

    Puto

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  17. What? by ShadowMarth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd hate to come off as a fanboy, but the fact that PSP made a decent appearance on the list while the DS didn't touch it makes me question the research behind it. Shouldn't a device centered around software actually HAVE decent software to make this list? Sony's even been crippling homebrew, which negates its best use so far.

  18. Re:gmail #2? by aconbere · · Score: 2, Informative

    What is the difference between sorting emails into folders and archiving messages with labels? If you want to know what emails have the label, you click the link ... they're all there and yet... none of them exist in your inbox. If you want to remove them from the folder but still be able to search for them... remove the label. If you quickly want to remove all the messages with that label from the inbox, you click the link, click all, and click archive.

    Seriously. The Gmail interface is quite a bit different than a normal email client, in order to be happy using I think one has to abandon previous notions of how to get things done. Using labels is a very powerful tool and can easily be made to mimik the use of folders, all you need to know is how.

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  19. Re:gmail #2? by jpkunst · · Score: 3, Informative
    I still want folders

    Use labels. Labels can do everything that folders can, and more. (A message can have more than one label, but in a folder-based system, a message can't be in more than one folder at a time.)

    JP

  20. Alienware?? by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why's an Alienware computer ranked so highly, even above Google?

    God, that must be a hell of a computer... Or a hell of a sponsoring.

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  21. Re:The iPod Photo? by Tink2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Which is cool and all, except on the other side of the pond (ie: not America) they've had this thing called USB-on-the-go for some time now. Quite simply, you plug in any camera that is USB Mass Storage Device compliant (the ones that you plug into your computer and it just sees a drive, or if you prefer - a decent camera as opposed to a cheap crappy one that requires some sort of manufacturer's application to retrieve the photos) into a USBotG device and the USBotG device is suddenly a host for the camera (or any other USBotG device, like say - another mp3 player) and poof, you've got a 1:1 connection going on.

    So, I can take my iRiver H300 series mp3 player, hook it up to your iRiver H300 series player, and we can do sneakernet p2p all day long.

    Why would you think Apple would restrict it to just cameras, hmm?

  22. Re:Treo 650? Guess he hever had to Support Them by aCC · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's strange that you had such bad experiences them because you seem to be quite alone with that as far as I know.

    I have one for some months now and I absolutely love it. I occasionally read the forums for treo users (mytreo.net, treocentral.com, ...) and I haven't seen anything like you mention on there. And those forums are normally very quick in showing if a product has problems. Like they did when the first version had problems with the memory which finally got resolved by Palm. I have the GSM version, so maybe it's the CDMA version that you have problems with?

    Personally I think it is finally a usable pda-phone that works as it should. I can totally recommend it.

  23. Re:Treo 650? Guess he hever had to Support Them by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Informative

    >And a PDA that needs a 30 meg update download?

    Actually, you need 11 megabytes free on the device to upgrade the firmware. Arguably, execs on the go shouldnt even be doing this, their IT departments should be handling system updates. You wouldnt want them to upgrade from 2000 to XP on their own would you?

    Granted, it is overhyped, but it does a lot of things people want. I just wish it wasnt so big and ugly.

  24. Sometimes the results are suspect. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Informative

    In my opinion, PC World, and all the product reviewers, sometimes skew results in the direction they want them to go. Sometimes they do that by not reviewing the most popular product, but comparing the competitors only. Sometimes they change the results with tricky writing.

    Very unfortunately, it has become entirely acceptable in the U.S. culture to take money to allow corruption. For an example, look at the U.S. government.

    An example of what appears to be corruption is that magazines and columnists are recommending Sunbelt Software's CounterSpy. Until September, at least, CounterSpy would crash Windows if it couldn't get an internet connection. None of the reviewers noticed that, giving me the impression that they didn't test the software thoroughly. If they didn't test the software thoroughly, how can they say it is the best? Who supplied the collection of spyware they used to test?

    Also, CounterSpy seems to try to take advantage of customers who don't have technical knowledge. For example, CounterSpy sometimes tags text (.TXT files) as serious threats, even when the text file has nothing but printable ASCII characters. Is this done to try to make customers think CounterSpy is more important than it really is?

    What I say here about CounterSpy has been verified for me by Sunbelt Software employees.

  25. More examples of suspect results. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Informative

    Look at PC World's review of Roxio Easy Media Creator: "While version 7.5 remains a bit ponderous to navigate and threatens to overwhelm users with choices, this solid update pulls EMC even with Nero 6.6 Ultra Edition."

    Why is Easy Media Creator first choice if it is "even"? Also, did the reviewer take into account Roxio's history of releasing buggy software?

    The review of one of the most expensive APC backup power supplies reads like an ad to get customers to pay more for power they don't really need. Also, the reviewer did very little testing.

    The reviewer says "Power surges and outages can impair productivity and damage expensive equipment." I've never known a power outage to damage computer equipment. (With the Windows 98 FAT file system, it is necessary to run Scandisk after a sudden power outage.) The statement seems like a sales message. Computers need backup power supplies, but a much smaller one would be fine for most users. That fact isn't mentioned.