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State of the 360

IGN is reporting on The State of the Xbox 360, detailing information on the next-gen console since this past E3. From the article: "Coming into the home stretch here, it's clear Microsoft has had its fair share of problems. The MTV event, though brilliantly conceived, was a hype-without-substance infomercial that impressed nobody, especially the most important people -- gamers. At the actual MTV event, I did an informal poll which revealed that three-fourths of the people attending were there only to see the Killers. E3 was underwhelming to put it mildly, and the summer months proved to be vacant of everything but rumors, leaks, and more rumors and leaks. The Tokyo Game show helped Microsoft's cause a little, and Microsoft finally revealed its Japanese pricing and the worldwide release dates, leaving one major news announcement left open - the day-and-date launch games. Apparently, Microsoft and friends are still working on these last details."

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  1. Rushing to Market by FadedTimes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I feel MS is going to rush the product to market and may have a poor launch because the quality of the first titles won't be much better than the games we have now on the latest generation of consoles. The one thing MS does have going for it is the upcoming holiday season, they will be the only new console in town and may get a lot of sales just from that. You would think MS would be doing a lot more to make people want to get the 360, but so far it's all been 'talk' and no actual content to look forward to.

    1. Re:Rushing to Market by lazyrobb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree that Microsoft seems to be rushing. They are trying to go from being the one with the last console out to the first; however, the four year separation is similar to the minimal time period between unsuccessful Sega systems. There is a wide range of launch titles which should help, but it is looking like the PS3 will have better games at its launch. It's still to early to see if the PS3 dev kit will be too complicated at first, but at the same time Microsoft rushed out its own developement kits which cannot help. My biggest concern is Microsoft sticking with DVD9 for the 360. Whether HD-DVD or blu-ray whens the blue laser battle won't matter because the 360 can play neither. One is going to win and people are gonna demand the 360 to be formatted with the winning version. Thus, buying an XBOX at launch would be ridiculous unless you could afford to buy a second when the upgraded 360 comes out.

  2. Which is surprising... by Lisandro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...seeing how the MTV audience usually devours everything that is spoon-fed to them.

        People are falling less and less for the hype, and that's a good thing - besides asthetical differences, there's nothing really different with the current-gen console systems and the one that's soon to be unveiled to us. IMHO, Nintendo is the only one coming with something remotely interesting.

    1. Re:Which is surprising... by TitusC3v5 · · Score: 5, Funny

      IMHO, Nintendo is the only one coming with something remotely interesting.

      You, sir, need to be shot.

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      And the masses cried out, "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0!"
    2. Re:Which is surprising... by game+kid · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think 2006 will be marked by the return of the cartridge--at least, to PCs. All the consoles and their games seem a bit out of reach of the Incredible Shrinking Wallet at this point.

      We'll start seeing small companies selling USB flash sticks (the "cartridges") with their games saved on them. Big corps will fight back with overly DRM'd, 20-GB dongle-games that only look like they're on USB flash sticks.

      Hey, if artists can do it with music*...

      *I can't seem to find the /. article that mentioned that...

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      You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
    3. Re:Which is surprising... by cowscows · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mario 64 is a pretty crappy game to be judging the potential of a touch screen on, seeing as the game was originally designed to show off what an analog thumbstick could do. Meanwhile, there's been plenty of games released for the DS that could not be played without the touch screen controls.

      I have no doubt that people looking to play N64 games on the backwards compatible revolution will use a more standard controller to do so. But you can be sure that when they release a new mario game specifically designed for the revolution, the new controller will be required.

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      One time I threw a brick at a duck.

  3. alternative name for product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dreamcast 2

    Seriously, I give Nitnendo credit for showing something interesting because othewise it's all tech-demos until the product takes advantage of the hardware. And graphics aren't the only thing. I recall Next-Generation overlooking Grand Theft Auto and giving it a mediocre review when of course it brought sandbox-gameplay to the table. The graphics weren't drool-worthy, but the gameplay resulted in the first - and most amusing crowd responsees I'd seen when it appeared at the local Gamestop.

    I'm hopeful that the tech-specs of Sony's product will provide the muscle needed to blow my brain cells at some point, but I suspect they won't be blown until a year after the product is on the shelves. Of course, having some major horsepower behind GTA will be nice in of itself.

    I thought microsoft might have put itself behind Nintendo once they kept themselves to their off-the-shelf model. I can't see the point in having a next-next-generation system that's only marginally better than my home computer - but then that's just me.

    But a race for 3rd place isn't nearly as interesting as what Sony's doing anyway (HDTV centric - next gen HDTV movie playback sooner than the rest - GTA first release - deep developer pile - count me in).

    1. Re:alternative name for product by Freexe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think I may well be temped to buy sony, but only if the price is right (you gotta get the extended warranty with sony because you know it will break 3 days after it runs out.) But I will definatly be getting a revolution as i think it has the potential to kick start my love for computer games (the last gen didn't really do much for me)

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      "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
  4. Dreamcast 360 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even the Dreamcast 360 label seems a little silly now. The Dreamcast was another dead before it hit the shelves console, but I don't think Sega could have had more disasters with their Dreamcast pre-launch if they had tried.

    I don't think we will ever see a console launch disaster of this magnitude ever again.

    Going all the way back to the 2600, I can't think of any console that even is in the same league as the 360's year long release and launch fiasco. Jaguar, CDi, Dreamcast...none of them are close to MS's 360 disaster.

  5. Well.. by Daysaway · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While strolling through the EA Tiburon campus, I overheard a few things about the XBox 360 development units. It seems out of the 10 (or so) Dev Kits that Tiburon recieved, 7 of them had something serious wrong with them. Now granted these are beta kits, and not expected to function perfectly, but 7 out of 10 that could not so much as operate at all is a bad sign for even betas.

    I also overheard this quote, "If the release version is even twice as good as these beta dev kits, you will never see me throwing down for one."

    I am praying that there was just a bad string of chips, or the parcel was run over by a forklift before being delivered, but if they are correct, then I forsee a very rocky release.

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  6. I was a fanboy... by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, I said, "Let there be PS2," and there was PS2, and PS2 was good.

    I hadn't owned a console system since my old NES, and I was blown away by the graphics, sound, and playability of the latest generation of games. I bought Tekken. I bought Madden. I bought Ridge Racer. I bought SSX.

    Then, I said, "Let there be Xbox," and there was Xbox, and Xbox was good.

    Several of my friends passed up the PS2 in favor of the Xbox, and I ended up buying on purely out of peer pressure. I hosted a few cookouts where they brought their Xboxes, hooked them up to my spare tv's, and we kicked each other's asses on Halo. I bought DOA Volleyball, and said, "Wow, a really unique and original game. (Oh, and by the way, Hitomi is a goddess...)"

    Then, I said, "Let there be Gamecube," and my wallet reached up and punched me in the eye, so I had to pass up that system. :-(

    I bought a few more games for each of the systems I had, and slowly came to the realization that the impossible had happened—I was bored with them. I bought Generic Fighting Game #362, Generic First Person Shooter #178#, Generic Role Playing Game #204, Generic Racing Game #140, and a bunch of others. (I've got to admit, Generic Stealth Mission Game #78 was not half bad...)

    At this point, I am thinking that I will forego the Xbox 360 and the PS3 in favor of the Revolution. Why? Because what I need now aren't better graphics and sound. I've been there and done that, and it's no longer enough. What I need are new and original games, games that leave me saying, "Wow, that's pretty cool, the first of a new generation of Generic Games that will inevitably follow on the other systems. But until now, I haven't been there, and I haven't done that!" All indications I've seen so far from Microsoft and Sony point to just a bunch more Generic Games.

    I may be mistaken, but Nintendo seems to be the only company right now thinking outside of the proverbial box. When I first saw the controller, I thought, "Are you kidding me? How can you play a decent game with a remote control?" The more I think about it, though, the more I think that it's probably not a bad idea after all. And more importantly, I respect Nintendo's willingness to say, "We know you haven't seen anything like this before, and that's what we're going to sell you: something different, and really, it won't suck!"

    Next time I buy, that's exactly what I'm going to look for. If you're looking for prettier pictures, buy your Xbox 360 or PS3 and have fun. As for me, I'm going to wait until something more interesting comes along before I plop out hundreds of dollars.

    1. Re:I was a fanboy... by defkkon · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I own an Xbox, a PS2, and a Gamecube. I enjoyed quite a few of the PS2 games I played. I also enjoyed quite a few Xbox games (KOTOR, Ninja Gaiden, just to name a few). However, I couldn't agree more with your assesment of the generic games that come out.

      The Gamecube, on the other hand, is a whole other story. If you're not planning on purchasing an Xbox 360 or a PS3, I highly recommend you purchase a Gamecube to keep you busy until the Revolution comes out. I easily purchased twice as many games for the Gamecube as I did for the Xbox and PS2 combined. There are some stinkers for the Gamecube (mostly the ones that come out for all three consoles), but I found the experience to be better on average. Throw the Wavebird controller into the mix, and you can't beat it.

      I'm not a Nintendo fanboy - I just appreciate good games. There are some unbelievable games for that little console. I have passed more time playing games like Windwaker, Eternal Darkness, Metroid, and Pikmin than I have with the games for the other two consoles. That's saying a lot considering how much time I've put into Morrowind on the Xbox. :)

  7. Just don't care by wandazulu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have read a lot about the 360. I was there with the IBM jokes, I even watched the MTV show pretty much in its entirety (exception: I don't really care for the killers). After all is said and done, I'm probably not getting one.

    Why? Microsoft hasn't triggered my herd instinct. There's no buzz or *reason* to want to line up at 12 am or whatever to be one of the first to buy the thing. Project Gotham Racing 3? Yawn...I haven't finished PGR2. I didn't like Perfect Dark on the N64, why should I like it on the 360 (full disclosure: I'm one of the few people, I guess, who didn't like Halo *at* *all* and have decided that for the rest of my life, I will play FPS on a mouse/keyboard rig, not a gamepad).

    In short, I'm not going to spend that kind of money for "more of the same".

    But wait, there's more!

    Here I may be crossing into treasonous territory, but I feel pretty much the same about the PS3 as well. Lots of cool pics, awesome specs, but no game that I really care about has me marking Xs on my calendar till launch date.

    The only *interesting* console was the, you guessed it, the Revolution, and the only thing that has piqued my interest is, like everyone else, the controller. Other than that, I think my feelings about the games run about the same...there'll be a Mario game (though hopefully a decent one...the GameCube seemed to have missed that). There'll be a Zelda game probably, and throw in a MarioKart and you have yourself a Nintendo console.

    Come to think of it, *none* of the systems have inspired me to want to get the latest-n-greatest. I don't have a HD tv, I don't play sports games. So this puts me in an interesting situation...I can sit back and wait for the inevitible price drops. I can wait to see if certain vaporware ever materializes. I can kick back with my I Love Katamari and Zelda Twilight Princess and PGR2 (yes, have all three consoles) and determine my next move entirely on the *games* available.

    Looks like I won't have to think about it for quite awhile.

    1. Re:Just don't care by cornface · · Score: 4, Funny

      Looks like I won't have to think about it for quite awhile.

      Yes, other than every day for the next year during the times that you eagerly log on to slashdot to post excessively long and detailed posts explaining how disinterested you are, it will be completely out of your mind.

    2. Re:Just don't care by StingRay02 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My family owns a console gaming center, and, by and large, I've heard little to no buzz in the store for either the 360 or the PS3.... I get the same thing from my old co-workers in the Electronics department at Wal-Mart. It seems like there was an excitement with the last generation of consoles that just isn't there right now, something palpable that's missing. I was working for Wal-Mart when the DS and PSP were releasing, and we had people coming into the store on a regular basis, for three to four months in advance, asking about new information, looking for anything that they might not have heard elsewhere, and that just doesn't seem to be present. We're not even certain that we're going to need any 360s when they come out for the center.

  8. lone wolf, once again... by parrotheadpsu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i guess i'm in the minority here. i'm looking forward to the 360 and planned on buying one at launch (fortunately i won one through the mountain dew contest). games like call of duty 2 are going to look sweet on the wide screen HD. plus the fact that it's a media extender just makes the microsoft whore inside me all giddy.

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    "first they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win"
  9. Re:What Revolution? by cornface · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are you going to spend your first hour of a game sitting there with a manual practicing the multitude of movements required?

    Don't worry, sir. You can start now.

    Pick up your tv remote. Got it in hand? Now smash it into your face as hard as you can. You just did a dash attack! Do it again! Oh my god, Gannon is injured! Again! Again! Keep smashing, you've nearly won!

    Now, press the enter key a few times, just so you know it's working. (hint: it's not working.)

  10. Microsoft fanboys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What I kinda want to know is why Microsoft has such hardcore fanboys. The Xbox was a terrible excuse for a console, yet there are legions of gamers who love it, not only for Halo, but for what other random crap they put out on there. They seem to love paying $50 dollars for playing an FPS online with a controller. Some of them even sold their Gamecubes and PS2's because they were 'bored' with them.

    Why has their market penetration grown beyond just the stupid people who will buy whatever's marketed to them?

  11. Re:Too Little by StingRay02 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So essentially Sony is beating them in the hype war by lying? Sounds like Sony's been adopting some of Microsoft's tactics now.

    This is more a failing of the Microsoft PR department than anything else. MS was releasing hyped up and glorious screenshots of what they thought the 360's real graphics might well have been, but now that we're only a couple months from release, we're starting to see real screenshots, instead of "made on computer hardware that has sort of the same specs as the console" screenshots.

    Sony, on the other hand, is just starting to enter the "we think they're gonna look like this" stage, and it's only Microsoft's own fault that their real shots end up compared to Sony's assumed shots. Every console, and most games, really (think Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness one... two.... three years prior to release), go through that stage. Most people understand it's just hype, but being Microsoft's stuck with being the proof that it's hype.

    The consumer looks at Sony's mock-ups and Microsoft's real shots, and says "Hey, you (MS) promised me those graphics, with this system! I'll wait and see if Sony pulls it off better, before I spend my money on either."

    I'm not sure I'd even classify the hype machine as any one company lying anymore. If it's anyone's fault it's the game media for publishing these pictures and gushing about how great it looks, only to bitch about the real game in their reviews that come out a week after the game releases on their own preview reccomendations. I've seen games that EVERYONE knows are going to be crap (Tomb Raider, again) hyped to high heaven by outlets like EGM, PSM and the likes, and then give 50% reviews.

  12. Re:Maybe they -did- botch it. by Hast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing i normally hear people talking about is either live or gears of war. Being somewhat of a sony fanboy i can only hope that they will botch up the 360 release, giving sony an extra edge on there release.

    That's just stupid!

    No really, it's just really, really stupid.

    Do you know who will win in the next gen consoles? I can tell you that now, and it's the same answer as for the current gen. The winners are the gamers that have all consoles and play the games on the console which they are best on or exclusive to.

    Seriously, stop using you consumer choices as a basis for your self image. It will only end you up in therapy.