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Linux Gains Lossless File System

Anonymous Coward writes "An R&D affiliate of the world's largest telephone company has achieved a stable release of a new Linux file system said to improve reliability over conventional Linux file systems, and offer performance advantages over Solaris's UFS file system. NILFS 1.0 (new implementation of a log-structured file system) is available now from NTT Labs (Nippon Telegraph and Telephone's Cyber Space Laboratories)."

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  1. So... by Juiblex · · Score: 5, Funny

    If it is lossless, I won't be able to store MPEG, XVid, JPEG and MP3 on it anymore? :(

    1. Re:So... by valeriyk · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, but you can use the soon to be released MILF 1.0 file system for your jpg and mpg needs.

    2. Re:So... by Iriel · · Score: 1, Funny

      I wouldn't have space for that on a Linux box after my (practically monthly) regular download of $distro['foo']!

      That's why I have Windows, because I can afford to lose what's on it ^_^
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    3. Re:So... by BottleCup · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, but you can use the soon to be released MILF 1.0 file system for your jpg and mpg needs.

      Now that's one filesystem I would like to fsck upon every boot(y) ;)

  2. Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Websites with MILFS have been around for years.

    Oh, wait. NILFS. My bad.

    1. Re:Old news by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, we know it doesn't stand for nerds...

      (Sorry...Couldn't resist)

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    2. Re:Old news by schon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Willow wasn't a nerd, she was a geek (geeks have social skills.)

      I can think of at least one Norwegian-ILF (Kristanna Loken.)

  3. The dreaded question by digitalgimpus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will there be a Windows Driver?

    If there isn't, this has no chance on taking off. Consumers today want portability. They don't like lock-in. A linux exclusive format is lock-in.

    Create a good windows (and Mac OS) driver, and it's got massive potential.

    1. Re:The dreaded question by reynaert · · Score: 3, Funny

      Will there be a Windows Driver? If there isn't, this has no chance on taking off.

      Yes, that's why I only use FAT filesystems on my Linux server.

  4. Needs a new name by winkydink · · Score: 1, Funny

    NILFS is too close to MILFs

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    1. Re:Needs a new name by chochos · · Score: 4, Funny

      NILF: Netserver I'd Like to fsck (but I don't need to anymore, apparently)

    2. Re:Needs a new name by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know, F'ed is the last state I want to see my file system in.

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  5. Shutdown versus power off by Matt+Perry · · Score: 2, Funny

    More file integrity is always good. Ever since journaling file systems became available I just started turning the power off to my computers (via a power strip) rather than going through the shutdown command. It never made sense to me that we'd have to "shut down" as opposed to just turning the thing off.

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    1. Re:Shutdown versus power off by Marillion · · Score: 4, Funny
      Hard drives with voicecoil head positioning (some 99.99% of them sold in the past 10 years) will autopark on poweroff. The real risk is how much latency the os has between when an application saved it's data and when the buffers are flushed.

      Some applications keep files open for a long time: MySQL, gDBM-based apps, Squid. Most of those application implement their own mini-filesystems within a file optimised for task. These systems are supposed to preserve their integrity by journaling their modifications in case the underlying os doesn't.

      Switching off a computer because it has a journaling filesystem is like stopping a car by driving into a something because it has seat belts.

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  6. Re:Bloat? by Skye16 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Scratch my previous post, I actually read the article. My bad :)

  7. Excellent information retention by totallygeek · · Score: 4, Funny
    I installed this lossless file system. rm is now chmod 444. I have not been able to lose information since.

    Note: instead of modding this +1 funny, mod it +0.1 pathetic.

  8. Re:New Improved? by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Funny
    The article was a bit light on details. Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to exactly why this is better than existing log-structured filesystems, such as NetBSD's LFS.

    Logs structures are suceptible to termites, carpenter ants, and various forms of rot.

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  9. Re:There's no replacement for ext3fs yet for me... by metamatic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Reiser3 works fine on Debian with no kernel patching required.

    It seems as if you're holding out for perfection, not willing to upgrade from ext3 to anything else unless you find The Perfect Filesystem. I think that's kinda silly; better to get 90% of what you need now, than to wait another 2-4 years, surely?

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  10. Re:New Improved? by rpresser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Logs structures are suceptible to termites, carpenter ants, and various forms of rot.

    Even worse, when many logs are added together, the problems multiply.

  11. Re:Here's an overview for lazy people like me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Here's an overview for lazy people like me

    Hold on a sec -- if lazy people like you provide overviews, does that mean they (and you) are no longer lazy? And do all of us have to provide overviews now?

    Good God, man, think of the ramifications of what you say!!!! ;)

  12. Re:Horrible headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    > A lossless file system? Good lord... I most certainly hope
    > all the existing file systems out there are not lossy.

    I usually store my files at the "CD Quality" setting. For simple emails and stuff I'll go as low as "Radio Quality" but I have to squint a little to make out the text later due to the aliasing.

  13. Re:Bloat? by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Funny

    /. is a journaled website. We can't scratch your previous post. Years from now you will be able to come back and show your grandchildren how silly you were.

  14. Re:New Improved? by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, yes, when I leave behind too large a log, it won't properly flush, and that does lead to overflow.

    Er ... we were talking about bathrooms, weren't we?

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  15. Re:Lossless??? by Medievalist · · Score: 2, Funny
    Is this lossless as in "my gmail emails are lossless" or is this lossless as in "my Escalade is lossless (because when it gets stolen or lost I call onstar and they find it for me)"
    Your Escalade is lossless because nobody would steal that pig with gas at $3 a gallon!

  16. Re:VMS isn't entirely closed source... by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny
    "As I recall, RMS is an indexed file management system."

    I have heard Stallman referred to as a great many things on this site, but I think this is the first time anyone has used that comparison.

  17. Re:Data is the new currency my friend by Ahnteis · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about "Redundant Raid Array of Disks"?

  18. Re:Data is the new currency my friend by mc_barron · · Score: 2, Funny
  19. Re:Data is the new currency my friend by Old+Wolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    I keep all my original digital photos (in .tiff format) along with full-quality movies and all the games I've ever played back to Duke Nukem on 80x386 on a RAID array that's grown to nearly 2 terabytes.

    So, basically, you're going to keep Duke Nukem forever?

  20. Re:Data is the new currency my friend by pod · · Score: 2, Funny

    I prefer Redundant RAID Array myself.

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