Alchemy in the Desert, Diesel Exhaust into H2O
Carl Bialik writes "The Wall Street Journal is reporting that 'Using technologies developed for the space program, the U.S. Army is conducting an experiment that could convert the exhaust pipes of military vehicles into water fountains.' The idea is meant to help alleviate the logistical challenges presented by two essential army liquids: water and diesel fuel. A soldier in the desert needs about 20 gallons of water a day, for all purposes; 'Water gets to the front in vulnerable, slow-moving truck convoys that require armed escorts, or it is pumped from local rivers, lakes or ponds and purified by heavy-duty filters.' And maybe, in the future, it will also be extracted from diesel exhaust. The president of a company that developed the test technology tells the WSJ: 'This is one of those things where, when you first hear about it, you think the scientists have gone out of their minds. But once you taste the water, you realize the potential.'"
We all know vehicle exhaust is pretty nasty.
Anyone know how the filtration system performs in regards to removing exhaust toxins(benzene, sulfates, etc)?
Grump.
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"But once you taste the water, you realize the potential."
Perhaps a coffee flavoring agent for Folger's "value roast" blend, sold for office use only?
I doubt that we will ever figure out - and I suspect that even if we did figure out we couldn't do much about it
This could mean any of the following:
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Scientific American had an article about 15 years ago on this.
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Wired has a good article on this:
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,65035,00.h
Stupid Humans.....
It is quite surprising to hear them say they use chlorine for disinfection as the last step of the process. It does not look like they are using a reverse osmosis device to filter the water, only mechanical and carbon filters and judging from the look of the water color after filtering but before treatment by chlorine, it is not clean at all. Its brown! This would worry me A LOT if I had to drink it. The addition of chlorine to such a mixture is going to immediately create lots and lots of different types of halogenated polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, ie. extremely nasty and carcinogenic compounds. Why don't they just use a simple inline UV filter instead of chlorine, or better yet, use a high efficency RO membrane for filtration!
- "Hear that?! The percolations are imminent! Cease your ingress!"
First a Slashdot story about U.S. preparations for war: Army Eyes Anti-Sniper Robot, then, after two other stories, this story, also about preparations for war.
The mood in the U.S. is violent, and pro-violence, in general, it appears.
I'd try it, but I'm afraid it'd give me gas! *rimshot*
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Alchemy? It seems like the process takes a simple chemical combustion, not atom-altering alchemy.
It's bad when the old chemistry trick is viewed like some kind of magic...
[nontheless, this is a cool stuff, though. Beats drinking my own urine via filtering.]
They've invented vaporators!
Only in Iraq will you realise the potential as you taste the water.
Here's a patent the inventors got for this in 2003:
United States Patent: 6,581,375 - Apparatus and method for the recovery and purification of water from the exhaust gases of internal combustion engines
I don't think this will work quite like a catalytic converter, which reduces he emissions into something less nasty. Rather it just extracts chemical H2O from the emissions. I was hoping for news that someone can actually convert the diesel exhaust into something less nasty. That would be a good thing.
"needs about 20 gallons of water a day, for all purposes"
We all know US soldiers are spoilt, but 20 gallons is rediculous. Did the world war 1 solders shower daily? Did the Civil war veterans need Jacuzzis? Its crappy food and rationed water for all other armies, bathe when you run across a river.
"But once you taste the water, you realize the potential."
I'll probably realize the potential too. In fact once I taste THAT water, I'll probably invest in nortel and place advanced orders on Duke Nukem Forever as well.
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Drinking water's great but what about simplifying this system a bit (Less filtering? Drop the chlorination) and feeding the output into that box dohickey (which produces pure hydrogen from water and introduces it into the combustion chamber for greater fuel efficiency) that was on /. recently?
If system in this article can reclaim 50% of the fuel volume as water is this enough to get these two systems working in harmony and self sustaining?
It's a crazy idea but I wonder how many technologies are really out there to enhance fossil fuel combustion to an almost green and/or better economical level that just haven't been thrown into a single vehicle yet.
I don't know too much about military affairs. Is it common for soldiers to be cut off from a source of water, but not from a source of diesel?
A soldier in the desert needs about 20 gallons of water a day, for all purposes
Unless "all purposes" includes taking a shower or using a flushing toilet I'm not sure I understand this estimate. A person in the desert needs to drink perhaps 1 gallon of water a day to stay sufficiently hydrated. Where does the other 19 gallons go?
And the bulk of it is for bathing and the like. Amazing. I can understand this for established camps perhaps, but surely they don't bother with this on the front lines? If cleanliness is really that much of an issue, wipe down with a sponge. It'll take half a gallon of water and you'll end up almost as april fresh.
Alchemy in the Desert, Diesel Exhaust into H2O
Concidering exhaust from any combustion contains H20, it is simply a filtering process, nothing too special.
Or maybe we could stop sending our military to desert lands to slaughter the people there?
Then we wouldn't have to worry about this pie-in-the-sky bullshit handwaving garbage thought experiement.
But no, you can't blow billions of the people's tax money if you're doing the right thing, so by all means, let's keep discussing RO filtration units.
You must be under 20 and completely uneducated in what happened during the cold war. The USSR didn't make the US 'stay at home'. The USSR made the US fucking bat shit crazy. Everything could go to hell in Iraq, and unless you live there, you wouldn't notice. During cold war though, if JFK had pushed the Soviets any harder during the Cuban missile crisis... well, you would have noticed the big ugly radioactive cloud that would encircle the earth and exterminate all human life. During the cold war everyone and their dog got guns from the US and the USSR to kill each other with. You think the US is meddlesome today and that during the Cold War the USSR kept that meddling in check? Try opening up a history book. The suffering the rest of the world had to endure as the US and USSR fought the Cold War makes these days look like a fucking utopia.
The US is meddlesome to be sure, but kicking over a theocracy and a dictatorship hardly qualifies as the high point in US meddling. I would consider the high point of US meddling being the time when entire world was split between US allies, USSR allies, and the poor dumb bastards in the middle. Me personally? I do not long for the good old days of literally countless military coos, toppled governments, rebels serving as proxy armies, and two nations pointing enough nukes at each other to kill everyone else in the world with just with the indirect radiation cloud and nuclear winter caused if the two ever went to war.
Honestly people, I know it is cool to say the US and Bush = sux0r, but get a fucking grip on reality. This is by not stretch of imagination the worst time in history. It isn't even the worst time in the past 50 years. This is just another minor hiccup that the people will forget roughly as quickly as they forgot the wars the US had in Serbia, Bosnia, Granada, Panama, Korea, Lebanon, exc, exc.
I'll believe anyone intends to give a shit about what is going on right now the second someone shows me that they gave a shit about all the other dozens of wars that have been fought. I am not saying what is going on right now is right. I am saying that wishing for the 'good old days' of the Cold War like it was a time of peace and tranquility is fucking stupid.
- The Soviet Union was one of the most murderous regimes on the planet. It starved millions before the war gave Stalin an excuse for it (read up on "kulaks" sometime); of the ~20 million who died, most of them starved due to forced collectivization and outright stealing of all food from farmers. Anyone who had ever been "wealthy" was deemed a class enemy and sent to a labor camp from which they were unlikely to emerge alive. Being wealthy meant as little as owning a cow or two, even if they were an inheritance or a gift.
- The Soviet Union allied itself with Nazi Germany, and would have remained so if Germany had not attacked it.
- After the war, Stalin went back on all his agreements to allow free elections in eastern Europe. Thus, we got more murderous regimes in Poland, the Baltics, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and the division of Germany into two states.
- Until the fall of the Soviet Union, it financed armed aggression (both by states and terrorists, such as the PFLP) against non-communist states. Iraq was a Soviet client state for quite a few years, back when Iran was a US ally. Saddam's tanks were all Soviet built.
You should get the idea. Or maybe you won't, if you've been brainwashed by the "everything the West does is evil/wrong and anyone who opposes it is right and moral" meme spread for years by the crypto (and not-so-crypto) Marxists running academia and a lot of the "progressive" movement (it's a certainty if you think Zinn writes good historical accounts). It's just Soviet propaganda, shambling on with a life of its own after its makers were dead and buried.Sustainability and energy independence essay
CH2 + 3/2 O2 -> CO2 + H2O
An interesting thing is that the molecular weight of CH2 is 14, while the MW of H2O is 18; thus, you can recover as much or more weight of water than you supply as fuel. I seem to recall this being used on Zeppelins to replace the weight of the fuel they burned so that they would not have to vent (and later replace) lifting gas, but I am unable to find a reference with Google.
Sustainability and energy independence essay
C + O2 = CO2, and
H + O2 = H2O
Internal combustion engine exhaust is chock full of that nasty pollutant, dihydrogen monoxide. The only new and interesting development here is someone is attempting to perfect a method to capture that H2O in a useable form, at a rate of "one gallon of water for every two gallons of fuel burned."
A soldier in the desert needs about 20 gallons of water a day,
Twenty gallons a day? I think not. That's a typo. They'd have to drink almost seven pints an hour over a 24 hour period. This article seems more reasonable in saying they need 3 or 4 gallons a day. The article says two gallons of diesel produce 1 gallon of water chock full of sulfer, benzene, and soot. Yum! Why not just fit the soldiers with Dune style stillsuits? They can drink their recycled pee and sweat. Yum!
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