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SUSE 10.0 OSS Released

O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O writes "Today, Novell released SuSE 10.0 OSS for download. Product highlights include kernel 2.6.13, gcc 4.0.2, glibc 2.3.5, improved boot times and Xen 3. Torrents are available for the i386, ppc and x86_64 versions. The downloadable OSS edition lacks some packages for licensing reasons of which some, like Java, can be installed via package repository."

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  1. PPC? by Anubis350 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had been under the impression that SuSE had not had a ppc release in a while (since~7.2?). Glad to see they're back with it, it might just tempt me to migrate my apple-debian servers to SuSE ppc (I love SuSE's config tools).

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  2. I hope XeN on x86_64 works better than on the RC by cduffy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Per subject. I've done testing at my place at work using the release candidate (we're interested in Xen3 on x86_64... once SLES10 comes out and it's fully supported, of course), and it wasn't exactly successful. It did give me a chance to file some bugs, and Novell reported one of them fixed in their bugtracker -- but I still was unable to start up a DomU.

    Hopefully the release will be more effective. As for me, I'm playing with the 10.1 alpha, which I hear is what will eventually become SLES10.

  3. bloatedness - good point by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've seen it in smaller distros and I'd like to see it in bigger ones:

    Customized ISOs where you choose your packages THEN download the ISO.

    Heck, if disk space is a problem these "ISOs" can even exist only virtually on the web server, with the "iso" being created on the fly from component files. Hmm, if there's not already a program out there to do that then I should get started writing one :).

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  4. Evolutionary or revolutionary? by claes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there anything in particular that motivates the jump in major version, or is it just a marketing thing? I purchased 9.3 - will 10.0 bring me anything that is new and interesting, or just more recent packages of the same software? For example, exactly how is the faster boot process accomplished? Are there new configuration modules in Yast? New features in package managment? New freedesktop standards implemented, new LSB standards implemented.. what is really interesting about this release, what should make me jump to upgrade?

    1. Re:Evolutionary or revolutionary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      100% evolutionary. This makes sense with openSUSE's new rapid development schedule, 10.1 alpha is already out and had been for about a week before 10.0 gold was released. I've been using various flavors of SUSE since the beginning of this year and I can say each release has been a healthy speedup in terms of boot time as well as user feel. Newer releases have just seemed faster. I can attest that 10.0 RC 1 was a decent spead increase over 9.3. Partly KDE improvements and partly openSUSE bloat removal.

      In terms of improvements over 9.3 I noticed a few neat features in Yast that make refreshing Yast sources easier. Also, 10.0 RC 1 picked up my Sony XDM monitors without any hassle, unlike 9.3 where I had to manually set the frequencies.

      Revolutionary? Hardly. Nice small evolutions towards a Windows replacement desktop? Definitely. And since the entire distro is now free (only the boxed sets costs $$$) don't feel compelled to buy every release.

  5. Re:Interesting, but only if a certain bug is fixed by ZakuSage · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a friend who's had their Linux server running since the last blackout here, appx 10 months ago.

  6. _THE_ DISTRIBUTION by cies · · Score: 4, Interesting

    okay, okay... we all still have to test it. but this has good potential to become _the_ distribution. It performs we on both the server side with (with standards, service, licencing, training, certifying, oracle, etc. etc.), and on the desktop side (with loads of UI improvements, YaST, quicker booting, suspend to disk, automatic network configuring).

    And it seems that also the doing well on both the corporate (Novell Desktop, SuSE entreprise) and the freesoftware side with this glorious new release.

    i really whish OpenSuse the best, yet im not installing right now since 9.3 still does all i need and i have a lack of spare time already. but i will be soon!

    if you are installing make shure to check out:
    http://www.suseforums.net/ -- all things suse inlcuding community support, and
    http://packman.links2linux.org/ -- the missing (some times not fully legal) mulitmedia packages.

    g'luck,
    Cies Breijs.

  7. Re:Xen 3.0 by jonastullus · · Score: 3, Interesting
    yeah, and when having a closer look at their feature list:

    http://www.opensuse.org/Xen3_Status_and_Updates

    we can see that they have package a far from ready "xen 3.0" with their supposedly stable release of their distribution. maybe it really IS a more-or-less stable branch of the "still in development" xen cvs tree, but the xen developers don't see it fit yet to be released, so why should novell/suse?

    i mean, maybe some of these "limitations" are really non-features/problems in the final xen3 (when it comes out), but this seriously doesn't sound all that great:

    • Graphics (AGP, DRM, 3D) don't work or even crash the machine
    • Hardware support is still limited (e.g. no PCMCIA)
    • ACPI support in Domain-0 is limited (e.g. no cpufreq)
    • 32 Bit kernel is not PAE enabled
    • Full virtualization on VT not well tested
    • Other Operating System support on top of Xen and VT not tested

  8. I love my Suse by nrgy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was a on and off suse user from 7.0 to 8."something". Then I left windows and stuck with suse from 9.0 to the present. I love suse for a noob distro. I like the fact that if you want to not worry about the core workings you dont have to, or if you want to not worry but still be able to learn you can. I've gradualy learned to work in the terminal more, do alot of things in the command line, compiling my applications and even started programing my own little tools in c and c++.

    I'm a whatever tool works use it kinda guy and the same applys for distros. It's good to see all linux distros being updated and offering newer and better linux experiences. It's a shame Microsoft already took the slogin "Where do you want to go today?" because thats what each new version of Suse makes me think.

  9. OSS version? by AstroDrabb · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From this page at Novell titled "Packages on the retail version and not the OSS version of SUSE Linux 10.0". It lists packages that you would get if you bought the retail version because those packages are not OSS? I have not looked at the whole list yet, however, a few big ticket-items (to me) stood out:
    eclipse-gtk2-3.1-4.i586.rpm
    eclipse-jdt-3.1-4.i586.rpm
    eclipse-platform-3.1-4.i586.rpm
    eclipse-scripts-3.1-4.i586.rpm
    Since when did Eclipse become non-OSS? According to www.eclipse.org
    Eclipse is an open source community whose projects are focused on providing an extensible development platform and application frameworks for building software. Eclipse provides extensible tools and frameworks that span the software development lifecycle, including support for modeling, language development environments for Java, C/C++ and others, testing and performance, business intelligence, rich client applications and embedded development. A large, vibrant ecosystem of major technology vendors, innovative start-ups, universities and research institutions and individuals extend, complement and support the Eclipse Platform.
    There is another one I noticed:
    bitstream-vera-1.10-169.noarch.rpm
    I thought the Bitstream Vera fonts were release under an OSS license? I know I have enjoyed those excellent fonts under Fedora for a while now. Why doesn't SuSE OSS offer them in the OSS version?

    Did anyone else notice other OSS software in the list that SuSE left out of the OSS version claiming that it is NOT OSS when in fact it is?

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  10. Where is the source DVD? by AaronW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I received my copy of SuSE 10 today but have yet to install it. One thing I noticed is that the source DVD is no longer included. Version 9.3 Professional included 5 CDs and 2 DVDs, one DVD containing the source code. Hopefully it won't require me to go to SuSE's FTP site, which has always been notoriously slow (hopefully some of the mirrors will have the source code).

    As it is right now, I do not see the source code on their FTP site, nor do I see how they can fit everything for both the 32-bit and 64-bit and the source code on a single DVD unless they have cut back significantly on what's included.

    The reason I'm looking for the source code is I want to see if they have added the Gentoo patch to Xorg to support the event interface for the mouse so I can take advantage of the extra buttons on my Logitech MX1000 mouse. I patched earlier versions of SuSE's X, but without the source I won't be able to do it with this version.

    If I can apply this patch and if the kernel is more responsive on my Athlon64 I'll finally be able to switch my new desktop machine to my Athlon64. SuSE 9.3 tended to stutter at times when using the GUI. Also, hopefully some of the issues I've run into with V4L2 with my pcHDTV tuner card will also be addressed by the new kernel.

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  11. Here is the real information on this by TheOneBiscuit · · Score: 1, Interesting

    (Taken from a post by gsrdemon)

    Windows crashes automatically if you don't switch off the machine for
    49.7 days.This is accepted by Microsoft.

    Do you know why?

    In windows the Virtual Machine Manager(VMM) is responsible for
    creation, execution, monitoring and termination of virtual machines. This VMM is a
    32 bit protected mode operating system, provides a number of system
    service at chip level of programming.

    One of these services is "Get_System_Time". This particular service
    loads the EAX register with the time in milliseconds since Windows
    started.This service is accurate to 1ms.

    EAX is a 32 bit register. So the maximum number of milliseconds it can
    hold is:

    (2^32) - 1 = 4294967295 milliseconds
    = 4294967.295 seconds
    = 71582.79 minutes
    = 1193 hours
    = 49.7 days

    So after 49.7 days the EAX resets to zero.Most of the Drivers use this
    Time Service to keep track of the time out of various services they
    provide. So after 49.7 days the drives cannot use the Get_System_Time
    funtion of VMM and they crash.

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