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Mandriva Linux 2006 Released

mhrivnak writes "Today, Mandriva Linux 2006 was released to Club members, and the tree will be publicly available on October 13. New features include the Kat Desktop Search Environment, an interactive firewall, and enhanced wifi support with Mandriva being the only Linux distribution certified for Centrino hardware. The integration of technology from Conectiva and Lycoris has led to improved installation (in 40+ languages), better package management, and quicker boot time."

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  1. You mean released today, right? by ReformedExCon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, it is just Linux, so it should be covered by the GPL. Any "club members" who want to can upload a torrent.

    Or is there some aspects of the system that aren't GPL and can't be uploaded?

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    1. Re:You mean released today, right? by soikoban · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Certifications usually cost money. No money == no certification.

    2. Re:You mean released today, right? by prr56 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ohh, you mean like on my Gentoo install I just can't "emerge nvidia-kernel" for free but have to pay to get the same as on Mancrap? No thanks, sparky. I'll never understand Mandrake-Mandrivel's approach to this issue. I used to be a Silver Club member when they were on the brink of fiscal death, and I thought that I would reap some benefit from it, but alas I could get the same everywhere else. I think this is just a scheme to pimp money from the users. Your OP's may vary, but mine don't.

    3. Re:You mean released today, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Gentoo case is a bit special, as Gentoo does not distribute the JVM or drivers themselves, only 'recipes' to download them from the distributor's site.

      And, to be honest, Gentoo would also qualify for my "low-profile" criteria (on the commercial level, which is all that matters to Sun and their ilk).

      You are always perfectly free to add any such proprietary stuff on a Mandriva system yourself, which is in essence what you are doing on Gentoo anyway, they are just not allowed to redistribute it freely. Club members are a limited and controlled population, and Mandriva probably has to report on the number of downloads.

      If you like Gentoo, good for you.
      But please keep the Mandriva criticism for their own goof-ups, not for respecting other's licenses.

  2. Its too soon. by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its too soon. This version of Mandriva still has Mozilla FireFox 1.0.6, with backported patches. I would have waited until Christmas. I would have waited to refine some more. I think they moved too fast on this. I think that major work should have been done on Heimdal Kerberos Support. Because better LDAP backend support for Kerberos is critical to doing thinngs like Linux's "Almost but not quite" Active Directory.

  3. Re:improved wifi support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd love it to just work out of the box.

    You are barking at the wrong tree. Blame the HW vendors...

  4. Not the only centrino certified Linux by stm2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Linspire people said they also were centrino certified, the even sell laptops with Linspire on in.

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  5. Re::Sighs: by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But is everything part of this distribution GNU? Or does it have apache?

    RMS is actually quite wrong about it. He just want to gain attention by saying it should be called GNU/Linux Linux is the kernel the Operating system is actually different from each version. I think in order to have an Operating System called GNU Linux all the parts need to be GNU not just some of the parts. RMS needs an other hobbie something that will help him release some of the stress in his life, maybe he should take voice lessons or something, or skiing. If not having you license as part of a name really makes you annoyed you should reconsider your life.

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  6. Mandriva 2006 rocks by Azureflare · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I installed it on my desktop and laptop, and this version of Mandrake/Mandriva is definitely one of the best in a while. Everything just works (wireless setup/installation has become a breeze). If you haven't used Mandriva before, wait until the Discovery shows up on some torrent sites or wait for the public release. It's well worth it. Especially after the Connectiva merger, Mandriva seems to have gained a lot in terms of stability. I don't use KDE all the time so I can't speak to the features, but when I fired it up it looked very nice

    A lot of the artwork has changed to a much more professional look than 2005LE (You will know what I'm talking about if you installed/used 2005LE).

    I'm using the powerpack since I'm a silver club member and I volunteered to be an early seeder so I got it early, and I couldn't be happier. If you want a linux distro that Just Works, try it out some time.

  7. Re:hardly newsworthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Ho Hum. Another "Another distro in the fragmented Linux world featuring the same desktop" post.

    This will probably get modded down as trollish, or as flamebait

    "Redundant" would be my pick, as I can't remember a distro article in recent memory that didn't have at least one post raising the same old issue as yours.

    Look at Ubuntu and Debian - another fine example of counterproductive BS where they fragment, have different ideas about how things should be done, and wind up not really helping each other like they should be.

    The perception of some weird kind of "rift" between Ubuntu and Debian is way overblown. Read this for more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth Suffice to say that Ubuntu obviously makes excellent use of Debian, and also contributes plenty back.

    Want to amaze me? Invent a new desktop that doesn't suck, and actually works without all the glitchiness I've come to expect from the two (KDE and Gnome) most popular desktop environments. Do something different! Innovate! Change the way I look at my computer! Don't give me *yet another* search tool. Or, at the very least, don't make it the *focus* of your new release.

    Woo - another desktop. Won't that be grand! As for innovation, check out the plans for KDE 4. Also, if you're not going to whine and offer up interesting and new ideas rather than vauge accusations of glitchiness, I can think of no reason at all why distros maintainers (who, incidentally, are not responsible for inventing brand new desktops) would wish to "amaze" you.

    If people wanted to help Linux mature, they'd stop fragmenting in to dozens and dozens of distros, and focus on *one* of them. Imagine what could be achieved if we weren't all pulling the same horse in different directions at the same time.

    Very well - if it were up to you, *which* distro would you choose to dictate that people focus on? If you say "SUSE", ten people will say "Mandriva". If you say "Mandriva", ten people will say "Ubuntu". If you say "start a brand new one from scratch" - well, why do you think there are 200 distros already available? Fact is, rallying all developers across the globe - many of which contribute purely voluntarily, remember - to One United Cause is an impossible dream. The only thing we can do is let nature take its course.

    If it so happens that a handful of distros attain such a degree of superiority that developers drop their tools and flock to work on it, then great. If it simply transpires that the constant flow of code causes all distros to become completely alike in terms of capabilities, then that's fine, too - somewhat wasteful of resources, yes, but there's nothing you can do about it, certainly not by posting Tired Old Arguments Against Fragmentation v2110 on slashdot.

    Finally, a word about distros themselves. Here's my theory - distros aren't important, or at the very least, they are far less important than the body of open-source software available is. The function of a distro is to package a bunch of code together into a whole for consumption by the end-user who has no time to do this for themselves, and to improve the end-user experience as much as is possible - after all, a distro that fails to do the latter will quickly descend into irrelevancy, at which point it ceases to be either a "confusing" additional choice, nor a waste of significant man-power. This improvement often comes from improving the desktop environments, or productivity software offered. Here's the crucial point - all of these types of improvements can (and are) adopted by other distros. For example, Novell have put a lot of work and effort into Beagle, and this work can be and is harnessed by other distros. Put like this:

    The fragmentation of distros, and really the distross themselves, are almost wholly irrelevant, as each produces code th

  8. Re::Sighs: by Nasarius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No no no. The operating system is more than just the kernel, but it does not encompass everything in the distro. In particular, glibc is a crucial part of the OS. That said, "Linux" has come to mean any Linux-based OS, so RMS will just have to deal.

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  9. Re:They could have been more specific by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is everybody obessed with boot/shutdown times on Linux boxes? Thought the whole point of Linux was to avoid reboots.

  10. Re::Sighs: by synthespian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The operating system is more than just the kernel

    The funny thing is Andrew Tanenbaum doesn't agree with you (or Stallman).

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  11. Re:One thing I'd like to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ach, I've forgotten my login. I'm AdamWill. Disclaimer - I work for MDV.

    Sorry, but this is just so horribly wrong and misguided I had to step in. RPM does _not_ only work with file-based dependencies, and DEB does _not_ only work with package-based dependencies. You can use either type of dependency on both systems. RPM allows perfectly well for virtual provides (which is what you're talking about, virtual packages is something different) - for instance, on MDV 2006, mailservers that provide the de facto standard sendmail setup all provide sendmail-command, so you can install whichever server you prefer. We also have virtual packages properly speaking - for e.g. the package gnome2 is an empty package which pulls in a full GNOME desktop via dependencies.

    "both Debian and Gentoo feature enormous package repositories including pretty much the whole of Open Source; it's like comparing a few apples to several kilos of oranges."

    No, it's not - it's like comparing 11,000 oranges to 17,000. MDV has about 11k packages, and covers a heck of a _lot_ of open source. It's not quite as many as Debian, but it's still in the same ballpark, and close enough to make a valid comparison between urpmi, smart and apt.

    Oh, and urpmi / rpmdrake and smart will both handle any circular dependencies for you.

    Thanks for playing.

  12. Non-Existant Mandriva Documentation by algae · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems like Mandriva have put out a fine operating system, but as an admin, it sucks to not have any kind of documentation or bug support. For example, both Debian and FreeBSD have extensive documentation easily accessable from their web sites. Where's the equivelant for Mandriva? Same goes with bug reporting; I'm not going to track down the links, but it's pretty trivial to submit bug reports for any of Ubuntu, Debian, FreeBSD, even RedHat, but I looked all up and down Mandriva's site and didn't see any kind of bug tracking system, not even a mailto: field.

    So, like I said, as an IT admin, I'm not going to support an OS that isn't going to support me.

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