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FreeBSD Project Launches New Website

UltimaGuy writes "The FreeBSD Project has launched a new website today. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith College that they had the pleasure of working with through Google's Summer of Code program. The old website is also still available."

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  1. Heck of an improvement by danbond_98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well that's a heck of an improvement on the old one. Now if only some of the other BSD's (Open, i'm looking at you) would do something similar, would be good. And yes, i know, better they spend time hacking at the source than making their site pretty, but as was shown by the summer of code thing, finding people willing to take on the responsibility of sorting it out isn't hard.

    1. Re:Heck of an improvement by welsh+git · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes.

      Now, go troll elsewhere, moron.

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  2. About time.. by eztiger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...this is much much better than the old website. The important details are much clearer (i.e where to get it, what the current releases are) and the whole thing generally feels very fresh and modern.

    Hopefully they will give the handbook a bit of a spring clean next...whilst informative it sometimes lacks in either explaining concepts sufficiently or just assumes a lot of prior knowledge in certain areas.

    Kev

    1. Re:About time.. by Arandir · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hopefully they will give the handbook a bit of a spring clean next...

      Are you volunteering? The FreeBSD Documentation Project is always on the look out for new blood.

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  3. go back to school emily by DrSkwid · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    <div class="frontgetroundbox">

    etc.etc.

    call things what they are not by their attributes

    and grey text on grey background, HELLO some of us are hard of sight

    you 20 somethings think everything will be rosy when you lose 30% of your ocular capacity in 30 years

    hehe bitch bitch

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    1. Re:go back to school emily by hattig · · Score: 1

      Use the 'Large' stylesheet you old blind coot. :)

      (agreed about the naming convention however, but sadly I think around 90% of web developers haven't worked this out yet)

    2. Re:go back to school emily by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem for us blind old coots is finding the large stylesheet. Maybe they should default to large and let you whippersnappers choose the tiny stylesheet.

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    3. Re:go back to school emily by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      It's still grey on grey action.
      By the time you are 60 you lose 30% of your contrast.

      Especially if you read Wired, you will appreciate that there is a reason why we make paper white as possible and use black ink.

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    4. Re:go back to school emily by moro_666 · · Score: 1
      yeah, the large stylesheet button should be better visible.

      i watch 1280x800 resolution on my 15,4" laptop, but my parents look 800x600 on a 17"CRT , and i still notice things that they miss...

      this micro measured large stylesheet button should be a bit bigger and have more contrast perhaps. currently it's like throwing a walking stick to blind man and missing by a mere "150 feet", which is quite a radius to search for a blind man.

      anyway, aside from that, the site looks cool! i love it (thou i liked the old one too). and they can pretty honestly say again that freebsd ownz ... well ... at least their web owns. :)

      /* as for freebsd itself, i like it as on o/s, but the lack of hardware support on "nowadays" items dont quite let you to use it on a multipurpose desktop pc just yet ... but they are making progress i hope. as for the server, for the newcomer it's hard as hell, and this just adds 1 tiny bit of security to the usual bsd style "all off by default" style. linux seems to be glitching lately, since all people want more features and security is often forgotten :( */

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    5. Re:go back to school emily by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The old site packed a lot of information in without sucking, which is justification for admiration in itself. The new ones is in fact a bit better on this account (in my opinion). It looks a lot better, and I understand that this is important in a world where many people don't have the time or skill to look at things more than skin deep. However, this in itself doesn't impress me much. There are a lot of good designers out there (and a lot of bad ones to be sure); it isn't hard to make things look whizzy. What's nice is that substance and organization don't take a backseat the pizzaz, resulting in solid and usable design.

      I had this discussion about this with one of the junior guys at work the other day. He was holding forth on how the web was really about information content, and sites should emphasize text, data and organization. I said, hold on. Should a web site for a movie or video game be text-centric? Or one proselytizing for a religion, or promoting a rock band? Web sites don't have to content-centric or text-centric, any more than books all need to be dictionaries. They do have to have a purpose, to accomplish certain goals. They are software. They have to variously allow the user to accomplish certain goals, or in some cases produce a kind of experience. One side or the other of this dichotomy may predominate, but there's nothing wrong with a reference site that looks impressive, or an entertainment site that also informs.

      The old and new sites both get high marks for usability and organization, based on how I use this kind of site.Genreally, when I go to a software project's site, I'm in one of two modes:

      First Time Mode:

      (1) What does this thing do?

      (2) How does it stack up against other projects/products in a similar space?

      (3) What is required to run this?

      (4) How do I obtain (buy/download) this software? How do I install it?

      (5) Who is the organization behind this? Will it be there in six months? Can I get a hold of somebody if necessary?

      (6) Where are the training and support materials?

      (7) What are the differences between the various versions?

      (8) What are other people saying about this? Is there evidence of mindshare?

      Return Mode:

      (1) What has changed in the product since my last visit? How are the various releases different? How have hardware requirements changed?

      (2) Are there security or high priority bug fixes?

      (3) What has changed in the support/documentation?

      (4) Where do I get the software if I haven't installed it, or upgrade it if I have?

      (5) Does the project show evidence of continued development and ongoing mindshare?

      In both these modes both the old and new sites are very good for my purposes. The new one is definitely more "professional" looking, which is to say it looks a bit less like an open source project site and a bit more like a commercial software site, only not as brain dead.

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    6. Re:go back to school emily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /* as for freebsd itself, i like it as on o/s, but the lack of hardware support on "nowadays" items dont quite let you to use it on a multipurpose desktop pc just yet ... but they are making progress i hope. as for the server, for the newcomer it's hard as hell, and this just adds 1 tiny bit of security to the usual bsd style "all off by default" style. linux seems to be glitching lately, since all people want more features and security is often forgotten :( */

      Yeah, not really true at all. Well, i guess it's true if you're a moron.

    7. Re:go back to school emily by HungSquirrel · · Score: 1

      ...And if you stare at a CRT all day, you'll curse the fools who apply the same scheme to websites.

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    8. Re:go back to school emily by TCM · · Score: 1

      A "stylesheet" that needs cookies and Javascript? Ugh.

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    9. Re:go back to school emily by moro_666 · · Score: 1

      roflmao dude,

      >>> Yeah, not really true at all. Well, i guess it's true if you're a moron.

      do you read what you write ?

      it is true, and i cant be a moron in such case (whereas you seem to be a solid candidate).

      a) my freebsd cant do a thing with my usb irda dongle, my freebsd barely works with my digicam (with some hacks on libusb) and freebsd doesnt know a "dong" about my webcam. - so the hw support for desktops is a bit lacking, at least from my point of view. (yeah the motherboard, screen, hdd and network card work, but there's more to a computer nowadays)

      b) a friend of mine who is a pretty solid solaris and linux admin, had to ask for my help just to get some elementary and a bit not so elementary web server/mailserver software apps running. he's no newb and knows what usually there is to do, but freebsd is a lot different from a linux box to a newb.

      c) linux is glitching a lot lately, most "common" distributions enable far too many things by default, many of them having exploits and unless the user manages to keep all his n+1 applications up to date (on debian apt-get dist-upgrade does the trick but still, many users havent even once used the command). havent seen redhat a lot lately, but last time i saw it, the rpm tracking was a hell and i dont ever want to see that again.

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    10. Re:go back to school emily by hattig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How else will you persist a stylesheet selection over multiple pages*?

      Without the cookie or javascript you will just get the default stylesheet each time and you will have to change it on every page you go to.

      * Yes, you can store it at the server end, with a lot of hassle. I don't think this is an ideal solution.

    11. Re:go back to school emily by TCM · · Score: 1

      If you use Firefox, see View -> Text Size or View -> Page Style. There is always the possiblity to use multiple style sheets where the page doesn't have to do anything to switch them, the user does this in his browser.

      If you use 1600x1200, the width is fixed to about 800 pixels. Well done. Perhaps they should've hired one that isn't stuck in 15" 800x600 stone age.

      The most hilarious thing is this bug: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/200 5-October/002938.html

      I think the site is one half-assed wank.

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    12. Re:go back to school emily by hattig · · Score: 1

      View-Text Size doesn't scale the layout or images. It is only useful for when a designer thinks that 7pt text is 'cool'. Admittedly scaling images with CSS is a hassle, but at least the layout is easily changed or resized.

      View -> Page Style doesn't persist your choice.

      Javascript and a Cookie does, and it does it in under 20 lines of code.

      Yes, the stylesheets available on that site aren't great, but hey, why not contribute your own that is built for a higher resolution screen? I'm sure they would be grateful.

      The site looks good on a 1024x768 laptop display. I can see that it would suck for the typical Windows weenie full-screen everything user however.

    13. Re:go back to school emily by NuShrike · · Score: 1

      You forget there's sections of any site where there's copious amount of text.

      Resizing the window to maximum takes advantage of available screen real estate and eliminates scrolling. It's the difference between reading a webpage on a celphone, or reading it on a real display. I like how well packed the old website was because I didn't have to go through more than one link to get to the section I wanted.

      Unless it's one of those weenies where the pretty desktop background is more important than properly sizing a window for content, or one of those still stuck in the pre-windowed display days of fixed-sized monotext screens on 14" RGB monitors.

    14. Re:go back to school emily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the playa hater's ball.

  4. Nice by PrayingWolf · · Score: 1

    Didn't know it was that new... I was just looking for info on FreeBSD Java on wednesday on those pages (the new ones).

    1. Re:Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?! The designer is a bitch?

    2. Re:Nice by Momo_CCCP · · Score: 1

      Well you have this Text Size : Normal/Large in the top right corner as soon as you go further than the home page so it's not much of an issue really imho.

    3. Re:Nice by DES · · Score: 1

      For example, most of her fonts are below 1em

      Your statement does not make sense. 1em is the width of the letter m in the current font.

      DES

  5. Needed an overhaul by hattig · · Score: 1

    The FreeBSD website was in dire need of an overhaul.

    Looks like the new site keeps the best of the old site, but in a better form.

    It'd be nice if the 'Large' stylesheet also made the columns wider however.

  6. Quite an improvement. by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I must admit, it makes it look more like they're providing a serious product rather than something made by a group of hippies and slackers.

    *dives under a table with his Powerbook*

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    1. Re:Quite an improvement. by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah -- if I had some free time I'd offer to help Debian fix their site. It's pretty awful.

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    2. Re:Quite an improvement. by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I must admit, it makes it look more like they're providing a serious product rather than something made by a group of hippies and slackers.

      One might think it's weird how much the quality of some products seems to be judged based on the looks of the box it comes in. But wait - maybe these are related?

      I can't help to think that any quality product needs 1 thing at least: not suck badly in any aspect. Meaning it doesn't need to shine in every aspect, but if it really sucks in any department, overal quality is affected.

      Why? Because this signals bad attention to details. And it's exactly attention to details that makes great products. Many developers working for months on useability-features, bugfixes and performance improvements for a desktop OS? And then they fail to pick some nice-looking backdrop(s) and meaningful icons to finish it off? Or fail to properly document how it works? Says more about overal project quality than developers would like to admit, IMHO.

      Lesson to be learned: if you have something great, make it look good as well. Get some HTML coders and graphic designers onboard, besides C coders and beta testers.
    3. Re:Quite an improvement. by aztektum · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know if this story was about some start up who raised a buncha money in VC and had a slick website and was promising a unique product that would revolutionize the world and it turned out to be a battery operated hammer, I might agree with you. But the story is about FreeBSD, which isn't dead btw, and the majority of /. readers, whether they want to admit to it or not, recognize the quality of this product.

      Could we be a little less cynical and jaded over something as trivial as FreeBSDs website redesign?

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    4. Re:Quite an improvement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah you ahead, compare to slack and debian because they are the best representatives of the distros business, first time people etc. are directed to.

      Put this in your pipe and smoke it:

      http://www.novell.com/linux/suse/
      http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
      http://www.mandriva.com/
      http://fedora.redhat.com/
      http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/

    5. Re:Quite an improvement. by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know. I'm a Gentoo user and have been for a long time. Mostly it's because their site is so incredibly useful and well built.

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    6. Re:Quite an improvement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I must admit, it makes it look more like they're providing a serious product rather than something made by a group of hippies and slackers."

      You do probably have a point here, but when I tried to contrast by myself, I found both Microsoft's and Apple's main page were just starting to load (over a 1MB ADSL line) by the time I already had a clear idea on what Debian and Slackware were about, so well, since that was exactly what I was looking for, I have no doubt Debian's and Slackware's sites are much, much fitted to the point than those from Microsoft or Apple.

      By the way, FreeBSD's main page, while not so fast than Debian's or Slackware's, load reasonably fast, and its contents go quite to the point too.

  7. Late 24 hours+ by Lucractius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I posted this yesterday
    ( " The New FreeBSD Website is UP Thursday October 06, @06:15AM Rejected" )
    as news only to be rejected. I dont know why it was rejected so i cant complain i was treated unfairly. But when someone posts news and is rejected then the news appears a day later posted by someone else. It makes me wonder what the fsck is going on round here.

    On the topic. The new design is a major improvement, much nicer to look at, and hopefuly it can get carried through to a HTML version of the Handbook some time soon. that could do with a style overhaul, just to make reading the thing online nicer :)

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    1. Re:Late 24 hours+ by wolf31o2 · · Score: 4, Informative
      I posted this yesterday
      ( " The New FreeBSD Website is UP Thursday October 06, @06:15AM Rejected" )
      as news only to be rejected. I dont know why it was rejected so i cant complain i was treated unfairly. But when someone posts news and is rejected then the news appears a day later posted by someone else. It makes me wonder what the fsck is going on round here.

      Well, with a multitude of editors and tons of people submitting articles, they simply just pick them at random. You might have been the first, you might have been the last. It doesn't matter. They simply pick one. This is also one of the main reasons for duplications. So many people post variations on the same thing, and with the multiple "editors" on the site, things simply get posted by more than one of them. The only real way I can see to improve this situation would be to get people that actually check the site for duplicates, and check the submission queue for duplicates, and pick the best submission for a topic. I think time constraints are probably the main reason this isn't done.

      When Gentoo makes a new release, we submit a story to Slashdot. Since we know about our releases well ahead of any users, you would think that our submission would get used. It never has. We even go so far as to make sure our Slashdot submission is more of a teaser/summery, than a full-blown press release, as I could understand not wanting to post something that reads identical to the press release. Instead, hours and hours later, we usually get a posting that was submitted by a user, is chock full of false statements and half-truths, and doesn't point out anything that would actually be of interest to anyone.

      What do we do about it?

      Nothing. We understand that this is the nature of Slashdot, and we submit another story the next release.

      I do think the new site looks awesome. Great job, FreeBSD and Emily!

    2. Re:Late 24 hours+ by Lucractius · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can understand the process but it seems somehow unusual that ANY credible BSD news would get rejected given how infrequently it crops up, so im left with the possibilities that they A: didnt care or B: already had one and chose not to put it up for 24 hours.

      But finding out that an official one from you guys has never gotten through to submission is rather surprising.

      ahh well who cares when ive got a lovely new BSD site to look at now :)

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    3. Re:Late 24 hours+ by Anonymous+Cumshot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, judging from the date of the forum post (10-05-2005, 05:26 PM), the new website has been up even before that.

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    4. Re:Late 24 hours+ by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      well at least we dont have zonk over here.

      While ( ( pingSlashdotOnlineBoolean() ) = True )
      {
            dupe();
            spam();
            fud();
            fake();
            realNews();
      }

      then again its like hes the only one allowed to subit or post anything round there.

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    5. Re:Late 24 hours+ by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      Note To Self: watch elbow doesnt accidentaly hit enter key before real point has been made while contemplating what to say.

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    6. Re:Late 24 hours+ by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

      It really is a plot against you. Sure, others will pipe up and say how perhaps the submission queue is quite large that it takes a while to get through... or that maybe the other person's submission was better worded than yours, but don't believe any of them! It's actually a personal affront to your good character!

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    7. Re:Late 24 hours+ by Nimrangul · · Score: 1
      That's nothing, they consistantly reject 2/3s of the stories I submit, and the stories I submit have never once been duplicated in the days surrounding my submissions. Infact, I had submitted about when OpenBSD 3.8 went to beta and Theo called for testers and nothing, hell noone else seems to have gotten it through to the newspage. Not even the release of the 3.8 music got through.

      The editors just don't like getting too many BSD articles in a short time I think.

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    8. Re:Late 24 hours+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its because you're not a favorite boy-toy.

      Just give up on slashdot for anything useful. Its only for mild diversion when you feel like reading half-misinformation and other crud. ;-)

    9. Re:Late 24 hours+ by DeafByBeheading · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How hard would it be to write a script that checks submissions to see if any link to identical URLs? That's right, trivial. This would eliminate 90% of dupes. Throw URLs and story submission IDs as (key, value) pairs into a hash table. If you get a collision, flag both stories--the editor could check the conflict via the hash table. Keep stuff in the table for maybe a week. We'd still get dupes linking to different versions of the source story, but that doesn't really happen that often...

      And I guess it wouldn't help your problem--editors would still be free to choose an inferior submission. But hell, if editor A rejects submission 1 about some topic, and editor B comes along and doesn't see submission 1 (because it's already been rejected) but sees submission 2 and likes it, he would then see that it dupes (rejected) submission 1. He is then free to compare the two submissions, and greenlight 1 instead of 2...

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  8. Where is the new logo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What! A new web page a no new logo? I couldn't see anything about the logo contest at first glance. (disclaimer: I didn't submit any logos, no personal agenda).

    Come on FreeBSD, it has been 3 months since the contest ended, are you having trouble deciding which is best out of the 500 submitted or which is the least worst? At least post the submissions in a gallery.

    1. Re:Where is the new logo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      from http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/

      The result will be announced via announce@ mailing list and on this page (planned before the end of October).

      Chill, coming soon.

    2. Re:Where is the new logo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      At least post the submissions in a gallery.

      They can't. All the submissions remain the copyright of the artist. Only the winner will turn over all copyright to the FreeBSD foundation. All non-winning entrants keep their copyright so unless they get permission from every entrant, they can't display them in a gallery.

    3. Re:Where is the new logo? by setantae · · Score: 1

      Yes, we are having trouble deciding.

  9. Bluecurve? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who thinks it looks horrendously derivative of Red Hat's Bluecurve theme? The old look was distinct, although not entirely intuitive. The new one looks very generic.

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    1. Re:Bluecurve? by Nimrangul · · Score: 4, Funny
      Yeah, when I first saw the site I was expecting the to see phrases like, "using our optimal community user-base, FreeBSD intensely expands its marketecture through a synergy between private and public parties which desire optimum performance on the Intel architecture," or, "through the maturation of our dynamic enterprise system, FreeBSD has engineered the means for swift, clean and easy vulnerability handling, taking the worry away from end-users," and, "with FreeBSD's worldwide penetration of the enterprise server market, FreeBSD has become one of the most essential operating systems to have in your NOC.

      You know what I mean? I thought we'd see; "In today's ever-shifting market one must dynamically synergize when the chance arises, in order to properly facilitate the introduction of vital new resources for the further progressive development of their intellectual property portfolio."

      Or at least something more along the lines of, "here's where it all comes together in one operating system; Middleware, Applications and Management Tools."

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    2. Re:Bluecurve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who thinks it looks horrendously derivative of Red Hat's Bluecurve theme?

      Yes.

  10. Asking for legal trouble? by Florian · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The new FreeBSD site boldly states: "Based on BSD Unix (r)". To my knowledge, the AT&T vs. Berkeley case was settled with (among others) the regulation that BSD may not be called Unix. The official Unix trademark FAQ states that Unix "must not be used as a generic term. It must not be used in connection with products, unless the product is licensed to use the mark".

    I am not sure whether the new headline on the homepage is a very wise and professional move of the FreeBSD project.

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    1. Re:Asking for legal trouble? by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      Apple has gotten away with throwing around the word "Unix" a lot more egregiously (and with less justification than FreeBSD). If the Open Group sues anyone, it will probably be Apple.

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    2. Re:Asking for legal trouble? by Arandir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a "BSD UNIX" and it was distributed by the University of California. I don't know if it ever had a registered trademark, but it does exist, and that is its name. Some people, particularly lawyers, might not like the name, but facts are facts.

      But that's neither here nor there. FreeBSD isn't using the UNIX trademark. They're saying it's "based on" which is factually accurate and does not violate trademark. It's not that much different from a generic pain killer saying "Same active ingredient as in Fruzrin(tm)!".

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    3. Re:Asking for legal trouble? by justins · · Score: 1
      Apple has gotten away with throwing around the word "Unix" a lot more egregiously (and with less justification than FreeBSD). If the Open Group sues anyone, it will probably be Apple.

      There was a lawsuit between them on this issue. I don't know what became of it.
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    4. Re:Asking for legal trouble? by justins · · Score: 1
      The new FreeBSD site boldly states: "Based on BSD Unix (r)". To my knowledge, the AT&T vs. Berkeley case was settled with (among others) the regulation that BSD may not be called Unix. The official Unix trademark FAQ [unix.org] states that Unix "must not be used as a generic term. It must not be used in connection with products, unless the product is licensed to use the mark".

      The trademark hasn't been owned by AT&T for a long time, it's owned by The Open Group.

      This brings to mind a lawsuit between The Open Group and Apple on this very topic. Does anyone know if that was settled or what?

      I am not sure whether the new headline on the homepage is a very wise and professional move of the FreeBSD project.

      It's certainly not anything new. I remember seeing "Turn Your PC Into A UNIX Workstation" ads for FreeBSD back when Walnut Creek CDROM was still selling it. I was taken aback by that but nobody really seems to care.
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    5. Re:Asking for legal trouble? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      The full sentence is "It is derived from BSD, the version of UNIX® developed at the University of California, Berkeley.", which is irrefutable historical fact. Note they are not using "unix" as a generic term, but referring to the specific software work, and are not saying that FreeBSD is "unix". As an aside, I happen to be one of those people who recognize BSD as the true and pure Unix, and lament the fact that the commercial vendors stole the name. However, as one by one they bite the dust, I think in the long haul we'll be down to GNU/Linux and the BSDs, and then maybe we'll get the Unix name back for them.

    6. Re:Asking for legal trouble? by __aaxwdb6741 · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, FreeBSD is UNIX certified, which means that FreeBSD has been allowed to describe their OS as a "True UNIX operating system".
      I dont really know for sure, because I cant find any place on The Open Group's website where they list certified OS's.

      I say this, because I know for sure, that Linux is not UNIX certified - and it never will be, which is one of my main reasons for not using it.

      I will email The Open Group to ask, and post the result as a reply to this post.

  11. hmm.. okay then by josepha48 · · Score: 1

    lets here it for primary colors.. yellow to red.. .. nice layout, but I'm not a fan of the red... I wonder if they did any research on usablilty and making it easier to find things..

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  12. Proposal for YAFBSD (pitch) fork by aminorex · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Given their unshakable devotion to that stupid looking demon guy, maybe they should rename it Satanix.

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    1. Re:Proposal for YAFBSD (pitch) fork by Daeron · · Score: 1

      While we're at it ... may i suggest in that case to just rename Linux to "Red Herring" ?

    2. Re:Proposal for YAFBSD (pitch) fork by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. Chuck (AKA Beastie) is a daemon not a demon. Dumbass.

  13. oh no! by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    No.... cant have change.. noo... All kidding aside, i was used to the old format and knew where stuff was, but this seems to address that issue for new comers..

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  14. a BackStep... by NuShrike · · Score: 1

    Contrast isn't so great now, text is tiny and yet too big with the large stylesheet.

    It's also following the brain-dead trend to LOCK the size/alignment of the layout making window resizing useless; a PRINT versus WEB layout. Sorry, my windows aren't primarily 800x600.

    If you are centering your layout, you have a whitespace flaw/problem.

    1. Re:a BackStep... by Nimrangul · · Score: 1
      It's alright, you just have to zoom into the site at 130 % percent and it looks like a normal website.

      Well, if you use Opera at least.

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  15. A bug in the contest rules, I take it by tepples · · Score: 1

    All the submissions remain the copyright of the artist.

    Then why did the contest rules fail to grant FreeBSD Foundation a limited non-exclusive licence to display each submission publicly for the duration of the contest?

  16. I preferred the old site by welsh+git · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, it needed some improvements, and also a lot may be because I'm used to it, but overall, I preferred the old site.

    For a start, it made full use of my browsers screen size (the new site only uses a quarter of my browsers window.. damn 'fixed sized' web sites)

    It also (and maybe as a consequence) squashes too much into a small space.

    The news/upcoming events/in the media/security advisories sections now have too much prominence. Sure, this may be handy for 'regulars', but regulars know where to look anyway.

    Surely, the purpose is to grab -- and keep -- new visitors to FreeBSD. As such, this large section merely confuses.

    But, ultimately, I resent this page being squashed into a quarter of my window!!

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    1. Re:I preferred the old site by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      what size is your screen resoloution??? i have mine up at 1152 by 864 and it looks perfectly balanced on my screen... Im imagining some mamoth 24" scren over 1920 x 1200 widescreeen kinda huge here... care to put my curiosity to rest???

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    2. Re:I preferred the old site by welsh+git · · Score: 1

      lol fair enough!

      19inch screen (Samsung SyncMaster 959NF)

      Most of the time I run at 1600 x 1200 but I do sometimes go higher (never lower), -- 1920 x 1440 or even 2048 x 1536.

      I'd probably stick with 1920 x 1440 but the refresh rate is 75Hz which gets to me after a while! Basically, whilst I do run with the default size fonts, I'd prefer to run with as high a resolution as I can, and then make the fonts bigger if necessary... To me the running resolution is a technical thing not a visual preference... It just seems better to run at the max, and adjust everything else to fit! Smoother look then, and.. err.. just seems right :-)

      Also, I don't alway run with the browser window maxed out.

      Still, whilst I don't expect them to cater for weirdos like me! it is a more general principal -- I know lots of people on 1024x768 and some still on 800x600 and it looks like this site has been written for an 800 pixel width window.

      They could at least space stuff out a bit better for us.

      But, screen resolution aside, I do think too much space has been set aside for 'news' etc. -- As I said in my original post, I think that it complicates the front page for newbies, and regulars who want to see the news will know what sub page to look at.. Maybe have some sort of thing other than just a link, maybe with just the latest info, or the date... just not half the page!

      Ok, now my curiosity.. What size is your monitor ? I'm guessing 17inch if you think I'd have a 24 inch!

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    3. Re:I preferred the old site by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      Dual 17inch screens
      ADI Microscan M700 and Sun microsystems (cant be buggered leaning over to check the model number on the back)

      the sun is by far the best CRT ive ever used, theyre both running 1152x864 at 32Bit colour at 75 Hertz, While the slight flicker on the ADI monitor is noticable over extended use, on the sun, i cant see any flicker at 60 or 75 hertz.

      Ive noticed theres a HUGE difference between consumer style CRTs and "proffessional" ones... My Sun monitor originaly went on an Ultra 5 (second generation, with the graphics framebuffer upgrade :) ) workstation, something the average consumer would never get. The Difference is Huge, ill pop up the same movie on each screen and start them both.. the sun wins hands down. Its sharper, clearer, higher contrast, the screen refresh flicker is almost impossible to see (i havent seen it at all)

      To the point... I cant belive i didnt check it this way before but, Yeah your right. I spanned the Firefox window out over both screens and there the thing was... just sitting there in the middle, same size.

      For the average user, whos Browser isnt going to be in such obscure layouts or sizes i suppose, the site is fine. Tradeoffs have to be made with these things and everyone cant be pleased. I still think the worst offender in this regard is the IBM website who STILL have theirs designed for fixed resoloution viewing at 800 x 600. But as they move on, i expect they might iorn out a few of these little bugs in the design to make it work better.

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  17. Nice by HungSquirrel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    She has some nice OSS designes under her belt. A Google search shows she designed the pgsql site, for one. Her designes are attractive, but not as accessible as I would like. For example, most of her fonts are below 1em (1em being the size you tell your browser that you want). It is fine to go less than 1em for things such as copyright notices and advisory feeds and whatnot, but the majority of the text on the site should always be 1em: the user should have his say on what the font size is. I would also prefer more of my monitor real estate be used. I'm not a fan of squashed designes. Overall, everything is an improvement on the eyesore that was the status quo.

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  18. You know what they say by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 1

    Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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    1. Re:You know what they say by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

      A recent study (netcraft confirms it!) of slashdot editors suggests overwhelming preponderance of both malice AND stupidity.

  19. Re:Requiem for the FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You call your post "Requiem for the FUD", but your post is just a collection of content-free propaganda articles by biased "journalists". You are not addressing the "FUD" (criticism) at all.

  20. Deciding deciding decided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, we are having trouble deciding.

    Which way, which is the best? In that case, any one will do, or which is the least worst? In that case, take your time.

    20 days and counting, till announcement deadline

  21. Flamebait my ass, mod this up. by Some+Random+Username · · Score: 1

    If you are going to get someone to redo your website, get someone competant. In addition to what the doctor pointed out, the design is fixed width, so it looks like shit and wastes half your screen if you have a high resolution, and the menu is even fixed size, so if you are using larger fonts so you can read, it wraps around under the images. The new design sucks nuts, and the designer definately needs to go back to school.

    1. Re:Flamebait my ass, mod this up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's so bad and you're so good, why not offer your services? It's an OSS project so I'm sure they'll accept any type of contributions. Seriously.

    2. Re:Flamebait my ass, mod this up. by Some+Random+Username · · Score: 1

      I didn't know they were planning on changing their website. It would appear that they simply chose to have this idiot do it for them instead of asking the community to help like you would expect. I am sure there's lots of people who could have done a much better job. But now that they just changed their site, they are not interested in any further changes.

  22. It makes perfect sense. by Some+Random+Username · · Score: 1

    She does shit like make the default size for the whole site 0.8em. That is smaller than 1em. That is bad, and makes the text smaller by default than what everyone wants, and has set their browser for.

  23. All her work has sucked so far. by Some+Random+Username · · Score: 1

    And she doesn't learn when people complain that she makes fixed width layouts and makes stupid assumptions about fonts that make the page messed up. This site contains the exact same problems that were pointed out in the new postgresql site.

  24. Apple: the coward's computer by justins · · Score: 1
    *dives under a table with his Powerbook*

    That is so awesome. I think that from now on when anyone dives to take cover in a television program or film, particularly behind a piece of furniture, a Powerbook or at least an iBook should be included in the shot.
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    1. Re:Apple: the coward's computer by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

      Use a PC and you're likely to get yourself shot. My PowerBook, on the other hand, is damn near bulletproof.

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    2. Re:Apple: the coward's computer by justins · · Score: 1

      Ruggedness aside, I'm pretty sure the main benefit of taking cover with a laptop is the psychological effect it will have on your enemies. Curl up and hide with an orange toilet-seat iBook, for example, and your enemies will fall over laughing. THAT is when you strike!

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    3. Re:Apple: the coward's computer by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

      Think there's a way to mod the eject key so that it triggers a hydraulic propulsion system for spitting the CD out? That could be useful in a warzone situation.

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  25. BSD has a very cheapie feel to it, ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... just like its web site

  26. Just get over with it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's dead.

  27. Answer by __aaxwdb6741 · · Score: 1

    This list makes no mention of FreeBSD.