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Insect Substance Synthesized For Science

An anonymous reader wrote to mention an article discussing the successful synthesis of resilin, a super-elastic material used by insects to perform amazing feats. From the article: "Dr. Elvin predicted the substance would lead to everything from artificial arteries to spinal parts that would not wear out despite being flexed 100 million times. 'That's how many times you move your back in 50 or 60 years,' he said. It could also be used in micro electronics. 'We even imagine putting it in running shoes.'"

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  1. I like where this is going... by feagle814 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Dragonflies and bees use resilin to beat their wings all day long

    I like where this is going...

  2. Price by GenKreton · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This all sounds very good but how cost efficient will large, industry scale production of resin be? Just because they can successfully reproduce its chemical structure does not mean that they can do it in a cost efficient enough manner to break into any of the mentioned markets.

    1. Re:Price by bzeichick · · Score: 2, Funny

      This all sounds very good but how cost efficient will large, industry scale production of resin be?

      Because resilin production is such a ground-breaking undertaking, a revolutionary manufacturing process will need to be created. A process that involves many busy-bees to make the resilin, which could be called "workers". These workers would go to a "hive" to create the resilin, and would work furiously in the hopes that some day all of their labors might give them a chance to rub elbows with someone important, and let's call this entity a "queen". Sound good?

    2. Re:Price by Stripsurge · · Score: 3, Informative

      Once they've got the gene(s?) into bacteria making more of the substance becomes very easy. Grow a whole bunch of the transgenic bacteria and extract product. Cost will vary with application. For everyday uses (running shoes) it'd be cheap but for implants into humans it needs to be a lot purer as to not trigger an immune response. Even small bits of leftover bacteria is a very bad thing. Pure typically = $$.

    3. Re:Price by stunt_penguin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "The scientists initially cloned the fruit fly gene that naturally produces the material. It was then put into bacteria, creating a biological "factory" to reproduce it as a liquid. The liquid was then cured under projector bulbs to form a workable solid."
      As far as i'm aware, insulin is made by a similar process using bacteria that have been genetically altered to produce the substance in large quntities. It isn't a particularly new technique past the point of getting the initial bacteria to produce the substance, so here's hoping (hopping!!) that we can make use of what sounds like a great material as cheap as possible.

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    4. Re:Price by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This all sounds very good but how cost efficient will large, industry scale production of resin be?

      Pretty efficient I expect. Having substances made by bacteria isn't a new idea, and since this will primarily be proccesed in liquid form is should be fairly easy to produce. The major question for me would be how long the bacteria take to synthesise the material.

      The question as to whether it's economically viable is misleading, because you can't answer it accurately without knowing the application for which you're determining viability. I would guess that there will be so many possible applications for this that it wont be hard to find some that can afford the probably high initial cost.

    5. Re:Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I read the article, and all I can say is:

      "God Bless those Aussies"

      Because they're using what nature & the almighty already provided for us, & we as human beings just had to study it and stumble upon it.

      (This is living WITH nature, imo, not against it... & it sounds like it has NO serious chemical waste products either, as petroleum based products such as plastics possibly have, or possibly the rubber industry as it stands now).

      LOL, it sounded like somekind of "physical energy capacitor" to me, from the part about how fleas utilize resilin to store jumping energy & releasing it in a nanosecond (etc./et all)... the railgun of leaping!

      (Imagine Micheal Jordan with THIS STUFF in his shoes!)

      * :)

      APK

      P.S.=> Between this resilin compound & also stem cell research? It may be a breakthru for spinal damage cases as well... amazing, & again - God Bless the Aussies for this one! apk

    6. Re:Price by shotfeel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then there's the possibility that resilin itself might trigger an immune response. Not to mention the fact that degradation of the material over time hasn't been determined. Who cares if it can withstand being flexed 100 million times, if it can't withstand proteases and other reactive compounds in the human body?

    7. Re:Price by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Because they're using what nature & the almighty already provided for us, & we as human beings just had to study it and stumble upon it.

      And I'm pretty sure this "natural discovery" has or will be patented so that nobody else will be able to use it without paying through the nose.

      Three cheers for having exclusive control over something that nature provided for free!

  3. Registration only, lots more here by Markus+Registrada · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lots of better (non-registration-required) links here:

    http://news.google.com/news?q=resilin&btnG=Search+ News

    1. Re:Registration only, lots more here by Seehund · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or why not go to the original source instead of trying to understand what the hell the dumbed-down popular press versions are trying to say (which can be difficult when the journalists don't know squat about the topic they're covering)?

      Nature's news story, which summarizes the original article by Elvin et al. (You need to be sitting at a Nature subscriber institution to read the latter.)

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  4. I wish Fred MacMurray were still with us by glomph · · Score: 2, Funny

    This sounds wayy too much like Son of Flubber!

  5. RTFA by kotku · · Score: 5, Informative

    "We currently make sufficient material for research purposes, but this could be scaled up for commercial use," Dr Elvin said. "It looks a bit spaghetti [but] we can cast it in any shape."

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    1. Re:RTFA by deltalimasierralima · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now we have the first observable effects of the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster...Hurrah Intelligent Design!

    2. Re:RTFA by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Funny

      "It looks a bit spaghetti [but] we can cast it in any shape."

      They would just need to swap out the die on their Play-Doh Fun Factory.

  6. Less information by KeiserSoze · · Score: 5, Funny

    Learn less about Resilin at Wikipedia.

  7. Condoms by Bad+Labrador · · Score: 5, Funny

    Resilin condoms. One size really does fit all.

    1. Re:Condoms by fmwap · · Score: 5, Funny

      Resilin condoms. One size really does fit all.

      Good for 100 million uses!

    2. Re:Condoms by urmensch · · Score: 2, Funny

      Stop projecting

    3. Re:Condoms by cerberusss · · Score: 2, Funny
      Resilin condoms. One size really does fit all.

      Female slashdotters are thinking about this amazingly flexible *ahem* replacement for men's genitalia.

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    4. Re:Condoms by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Funny
      Resilin condoms. One size really does fit all.

      Good for 100 million uses!

      Eeeew!

      I am so not washing out my rubbers.
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    5. Re:Condoms by idontgno · · Score: 2, Funny
      Good for 100 million uses!

      Actually that would be good for 100 million individual beats...

      This is Slashdot. Same thing.

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  8. bringing down the price by Andreas+Schaefer · · Score: 5, Funny

    this will only become affordable on an commercial scale once the porn industry starts using resilin - i won't go into details, but there are interesting applications for a high durabality super-elastic material... ..or maybe just new alien case-mods?

    - Andreas

  9. Re:Go Australian Scientists .... by my+ky+is+brokn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now lets see another invention go overseas while our anti science government sits on its's hands ...

    Anothr invntion go ovrsas? Invntions don't gt outsourcd...thy gt invntd. Nxt tim, try a littl hardr with the anti-govrnmnt rhtoric.

  10. You know its getting late when... by Toxicgonzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know its getting late when you read the article as "Incest Substance Synthesized For Science" ..." An anonymous reader wrote to mention a article discussing the successful synthesis of resilin, a super-elastic material used incest to perform amazing feats" and I'm like WTF

  11. Webshooters! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Admit it, you guys are all thinking that too. Boo organic web spinnerets.

  12. Yeah it's flexible by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But will your body accept it?

    It doesn't do any good if your body rejects your new arteries..

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    1. Re:Yeah it's flexible by Wwolmack · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a non-volatile protein, not living cells like a kidney or liver. So theres a very low chance of rejection.

    2. Re:Yeah it's flexible by efatapo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Non-volatile protein? What does that mean? Does it not trigger the immune system or is it not prone to explosion? Seriously, I'm a biochemist PhD student (I work with nucleic acids mostly...but still) and I've never heard that term.

    3. Re:Yeah it's flexible by sharky611aol.com · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, proteins are the most antigenic molecule type. Any foreign protein rapidly has antibodies created against it. Thus why most immunizations these days attempt to use proteins from the organism to which you want immunity (or a carbohydrate-protein hapten setup).

  13. Why do insects produce such amazing substances? by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Spiders produce super-strong silk, other insects produce this perfect rubber substance. What is it about insects that they produce such desireable materials? Are there more insect substances equally amazing?

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    1. Re:Why do insects produce such amazing substances? by duffahtolla · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What is it about insects that they produce such desireable materials?

      Short life span, and extreme numbers give them accelerated evolution compared to other animals.

    2. Re:Why do insects produce such amazing substances? by SB5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You have heard of evolution right? You don't live in Kansas do you?

      Natural selection gets rid of competitors that can't compete. The best way to compete is to have the best of the best, because then you don't have to compete to survive as much.

      Lets have two people swim in a race, one guy will wear a wetsuit and flippers and one will wear a regular speedo bathing suit. The guy in the suit probably has a better chance of winning because of the wetsuit and flippers.

      Now take two people with wetsuit and flippers. each person has different flippers and wetsuits....

      Now repeat those trials 100 billion times. You will have found after repeated trials someone with probably the most efficient flippers and wetsuit combination.

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    3. Re:Why do insects produce such amazing substances? by Triskele · · Score: 2, Funny
      Then again, keeping on that frame of mind, bacteria should be building spaceships now.

      <friday> They are - they just took a billion years to evolve into us to do it! </friday>

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    4. Re:Why do insects produce such amazing substances? by kurtu5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "... bacteria should be building spaceships now."

      Why bother buidling spaceships when they are space ships?

      Panspermia <- All about extremophiles... well some about extremeophiles.

      Although, considering the recent slashdot article relating to the use of plastics for spaceships, chiton may be a great hull due to the low chance of becoming a hull of heavy unstable isotopes after being exposed to cosmic radiation.

      I suppose you could coax bacteria to deposit chiton onto the interior of an inflated space baloon, strap on some propulsion, avionics and life support and voila - spaceship! You could even engineer something that likes to build vigorously near high pressure gradients - micrometerite damage control.

      Too bad there are no examples of biological space propulsion to copy. I guess that life support made out of life wouldn't be to far around the corner. Avionics would be another matter, space travel seems to require really, really precise navigation and control.

      Gotta love biomimetics, and the great Wiki.

    5. Re:Why do insects produce such amazing substances? by shotfeel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are there more insect substances equally amazing?

      Yeah, that stuff they leave on the windshield when you hit them. Resistant to almost every cleaning substance known to man that doesn't dissolve the glass too.

    6. Re:Why do insects produce such amazing substances? by RedCard · · Score: 2, Funny
      Bah! Evolution! Actually, His Noodleyness is unhappy with us for denying Him and is working on our replacements. These are the future of 'Big Business'.

      You, Sir, are on the right track! From the article:
      Dr Elvin said. "It looks a bit [like] spaghetti [but] we can cast it in any shape."

      I do believe that this is in fact a sign!
      I mean... Arrrrr.....

  14. From the horse's mouth... by scdeimos · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... so to speak. No soul-eating registration required:

    Harnessing flea power to create near-perfect rubber

  15. secret identity by nielkosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It looks a bit spaghetti [but] we can cast it in any shape. Dr. Elvin, I presume? Or is it .... Peter Parker...

  16. I, for one ... by threaded · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our super bouncy overlords.

    1. Re:I, for one ... by Nimloth · · Score: 2, Funny

      The instructions specifically said "do not taunt happy fun resilin ball"!

  17. The new WMD? by nz_mincemeat · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just can't wait for those terrorists lugging slingshots powered by resilin bands ;-)

    1. Re:The new WMD? by zev1983 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Using resilin balls as ammunition it would be like that scene in Men in Black where the bouncy ball tore up half the office. I can think of a few places I could use that....

  18. Phew! by 10Ghz · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Dr Elvin predicted..."

    For a moment I read that as "Dr Evil"...

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  19. Super... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Love to get some of that stuff into my knee joints. It'll be great to not have to worry about wearing them out. Too bad he said it'll take at least a decade to make human joint replacements. Hope other researchers jump in to speed it up.

  20. doubtful by Loconut1389 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While resilin sounds interesting, the article seems a bit hyped up...

    "If humans had such pads they could leap 100-storey buildings"

    That sounds like unsubstantiated exxageration- eg no reality behind it. Now it may be true, but seems highly improbable to me?

    I hope resilin does neat things, but I'd rather read about it in Science magazine or Scientific American.

    1. Re:doubtful by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 2

      I just hope they can make drive belts out of the stuff so I never have to pay the auto mechanic again for that rubber crap thats on there now.

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    2. Re:doubtful by Analogy+Man · · Score: 2, Informative
      A simple length scale conversion...you are right.

      The interesting thing is the g-forces involved. Impulsively (1 ms) give yourself a sufficient boost to be rocketed 1000 feet into the air. I think more likely your shoes would cause your legs to explode from the knee down.

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    3. Re:doubtful by mysticgoat · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have no problem envisioning the up side of leaping over a 100 storey building.

      However there is a down side to this that I'd rather not visualize...

  21. uh? by tuxette · · Score: 2

    What exactly can this stuff make you do that 50 espresso shots can't?

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    1. Re:uh? by shotfeel · · Score: 2, Funny

      What exactly can this stuff make you do that 50 espresso shots can't?

      Walk past a rest room without stopping?

  22. More info by Maikel_NAI · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can read more about it in BBC News (English) and in Astroseti (Spanish).

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  23. Remain alive by RidiculousPie · · Score: 2

    "a gallon and a half (5 liters) of espresso" contains so much caffiene that it can kill you. source: wikipedia .

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    1. Re:Remain alive by thorgil · · Score: 2

      correctly made espresso contain less caffiene than normal coffe per volume due to fast extraction (20-30 sec depending on coffe bean and roasting)
      One cup of espresso is 3 cl (a REAL espresso, 1-2 cl if restritto, 4 cl if lungo)
      50 cups of espresso would be aboutish 1.5 liters not counting crema (foam)

      still a lot...

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  24. Re: *Sniff* Whats that smell? by EddyPearson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If humans had such pads they could leap 100-storey buildings.

    I dont beleive it for a second. Take scale into account! The force needed and the required energy could not be stored in a bit of rubber between you're legs.

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  25. Re: *Sniff* Whats that smell? by klmth · · Score: 3, Informative

    That hyperbole was invented by the reporter. The summary in Nature has no such claims.

    I really hate it when scientific discoveries get FUBARed by the press. What is it with journalists? Why don't they have any common sense?

  26. Re:You know its getting REALLY late when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And you know it's getting REALLY late when you don't even go "WTF".

  27. Re: *Sniff* Whats that smell? by MalHavoc · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, now! You'd be amazed at the amount of force and energy that's stored in the rubber between my legs!

  28. Re:Remain alive futurama style by Blurredplacebo · · Score: 3, Funny

    and after 300 cups do you break the coffee barrier?

  29. Mistakes of scale are so common by ianscot · · Score: 2, Informative
    "If humans had such pads they could leap 100-storey buildings"

    That sounds like unsubstantiated exxageration- eg no reality behind it. Now it may be true, but seems highly improbable to me?

    One does tend to suspect any popular press story that makes mistakes of scaling like unto the ones in 1950s science fiction movies that have giant ants running around. For a basic primer on the goofiness of this claim, Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics would be one source.

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  30. Until someone pulls the drain plug by brokeninside · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After the water all runs out, those without flippers, or with minimal flippers suddenly start to outcompete those with the uberflippers.

    Not to mention, your view of competition is a bit skewed. Natural selection favors survival of the adequate, not survival of the fittest. Only in extreme situations does being the best help individuals survive to a significantly greater extent than being adequate. Certainly, there are some situations in nature where resources are so scarce that only the `best' survive, but throughout most of the natural world, being adequate is good enough.

    And not to mention that adequateness in natural selection is defined entirely by propagating one's genes. It doesn't matter if a swimmer has the best fins in the world if the guys in speedos mate more frequently and have enough progeny to ensure that some survive the attacks of their quicker swimming brethren.

    1. Re:Until someone pulls the drain plug by TGK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It doesn't matter if a swimmer has the best fins in the world if the guys in speedos mate more frequently and have enough progeny to ensure that some survive the attacks of their quicker swimming brethren.

      That IS fitness. If that's the case then the speedos are fitter (is that a word?) than the flippers. Fitness in the evolutionary sense of the term doesn't mean the strongest, the most powerfull, or the most impressive -- it means the most capable to pass on genetic material.

      Sometimes that means avoiding starving to death. Sometimes that means getting a lot of action. The only evolutionary measure of the "fittest" is (s)he who has the most kids. Promiscuity, then, is the quintessential evolutionary trait.

      Now that I stop to think about it, maybe THAT'S the problem the I.Ders have with evolution.

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  31. did anyone else think... by mikers · · Score: 2, Funny

    of Mithril, yes from... JRR Tolkiens now (in)famous EPIC (Lord of the rings... for those who haven't had coffee this morning yet).

    From the pedia... "...It is a precious silvery metal, stronger than steel but much lighter in weight..."

    And brought to us by none other than Dr. Elvin.

    What will the elves think of next!

  32. Re:Why synthesize? by bleckywelcky · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you tried milking a flea? It's not a pretty sight. Half the time you end up crushing it with the tweezers.

  33. Re:Kind of sad by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually according to evolution it is their own stupid fault. If they couldn't adapt then they were not adequate to survive. That's just how evolution works.

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  34. Re:That's what they always say by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 2, Informative

    proteins and amino acid production via fermentation has proved to be a viable commercial approach in the past. This isn't as far fetched as say creating a space elevator with buckytubes.

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  35. Re:Go Australian Scientists .... by awol · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The issue is not that the Government should be doing the invention but that Australia has a history of breaking ground, passing off the "value add" to other countries and then buying back the value added product. In particular with respect to some pretty fundamental science. I am not sure I am in the same boat as the poster with respect to their feelings about that situation, but the point is certainly arguable that a little more government investment in those inventions would benefit the whole country greatly and continue to do so in the future. Such investments, according to the poster, are probably good investments from a socal perspective.

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  36. Re:``If humans had these [resilin] pads ... by Retric · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you where 100th your height you would be ~1/100^2 as strong but ~ 1/100^3 as light thus if you could jump 1 foot in the air now you could still jump ~1 foot into the air even though you where only ~2cm tall. (Ignoring things like wind resistance ect.) It's funny but if the "Honey I shrunk the kids" thing really happened they would have been a lot stronger than any of the insects they came into contact with. When you start scaling the human body down you find that it's incredibly strong for it's size (~2m tall) which is why insects don't get more than about 1 foot in size.

    PS: However the basic strictures of the human body don't scale down to that size, in the real world, which is why mammals tend to be at least 2inches long when full grown.