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World Standards Day 2005

ewg writes "Today, 2005-10-14, is World Standards Day as celebrated by the IEC, ISO, and ITU. The press release emphasizes the benefits of safety standards, but the interoperability is the true prize for information systems. How many sets of country codes and date formats do we need?" From the release: "International Standards accommodate people's desire to live in a safer, more secure world by providing a valuable safety net. 'Standards for a safer world' is the theme of the message signed by the leaders of the three principal international standardization organizations to mark World Standards Day 2005. Standards developed at the international level through IEC, ISO and ITU are available for use at the national and regional levels to meet the needs of society at large, the market and government regulators," the three leaders point out. They see standards as vital in disseminating best practices and new technologies, while avoiding new barriers to trade that national security and safety regulations may create."

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  1. Okay, here's a standard I'd like to see: by yagu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of my biggest beefs in non-standard behavior (since this article talks about the safety benefits of standards) is highway construction and layout. I could go on about bizarre practices for signage, etc., but I'll just take a couple:

    1. Warning signage: I currently live in Washington state and they have the MOST bizarre ways for warning of construction and other hazards on their highways. I literally have come around a blind curve where a sign says "Flagger Ahead" and I almost hit some construction worker with his "SLOW" sign. Literally not enough warning to slow down without almost slamming on one's brakes.

      Another example was in Bellevue, WA, and I'm not making this up. There was a line of cones angling out from the curb, closing off a lane around construction of a new high-rise. Nestled behind those cones in the "dead zone" of the closed off lane was one of those generator run highway signs that said, "Right Lane Closed Ahead"! Wow! I wished for my digital camera.

      On the other hand, there is the state of Illinois where I also lived for a long time. Their warning practices are amazing. I one time was way north of Peoria driving south on the interstate, and I saw signs warning of "Construction Ahead, 40 miles"! It may seem ludicrous, but I at least had it in my consciousness I would expect delays and construction, obviously with plenty of time. I wouldn't say THAT would have to be the standard, but in WA there seem to be none.

    2. Freeways: notably, the decision to put merging ramps from the left hand side. Again, I'll cite Bellevue WA. They recently redid their I405 and N.E. 4th street interchange and, yep, the northbound merge onto an HOV lane no less now comes in from the left! (It used to come in from the right, go figure.) Until then I'd sort of figured left side ramps were artifacts and had been deemed dangerous and obsolete.

    I could go on, but I wonder how many accidents and deaths could be prevented on our highway systems if there were more sane and consistently applied standards. (And don't even get me started about Europe where they've got ALL of their cars on the wrong side of the road going the wrong way! (kidding))

    1. Re:Okay, here's a standard I'd like to see: by Seumas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I don't understand is why, in all countries, drivers face each other head-on. If you drive on the right side of the road and left side of the car or right side of the car and left side of the road, when driving toward each other, the drivers are always facing each other - so that in a head-on collision, the most possible damage would be done to the drivers. Why? Wouldn't it be safer to have them drive on the right side of the car and the right side of the road or left side of car and road so that you put the most distance between you? If you hit more or less headon in such a situation, the empty side of one car would collide with the empty side of the other car... right?

    2. Re:Okay, here's a standard I'd like to see: by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Informative
      And my favurite is all those road signs that almost always are written in english with no picture in the US. Most of the time they are OK, but sometimes it's just what the heck do they mean...

      Maybe using pictures on the warning signs is too simple? My favourite is this warning for a quay. The most notably that I have seen is the "Right lane must turn right" and similar small signs often almost too late. I would really like the use of graphical lane information signs like the following: lane information before crossing and lane ending information. Everyone ever using Macintosh has probably encountered this sign indicating "worth to see". (Yes, Apple adopted that sign from a swedish road sign.)

      When it comes to driving on the left side - it's not as bad as it sounds, but roundabouts (rotaries that they sometimes are called) are the worst since you expect traffic from the wrong direction.

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    3. Re:Okay, here's a standard I'd like to see: by alekd · · Score: 3, Funny

      In Sweden they actually both drove on the left and sat on the left, but they switched to driving on the right.

      There used to be a joke about this. Changing the side of road to drive on was quite radical so they wanted to do it gradually. Trucks should switch first and cars half a year later...

    4. Re:Okay, here's a standard I'd like to see: by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Construction Ahead, 40 miles"!
      About 15 years ago, I was driving from Brisbane to Sydney one rainy night. All the way from the NSW border, I kept coming across warning signs saying "Roadworks Ahead - 5km", "Roadworks Ahead - 2km", "Roadworks Ahead - 1km", "Roadworks Ahead" - only to find the "roadworks" was a small pothole that had been filled in the day before.

      Lulled into a false sense of security by this, and driving in the rain at 110kph, I saw a little sign by the side of the road on a blind corner saying "Roadworks Ahead" - and immediately hit a huge patch of lightly-tarred loose road base where they'd dug up an entire 200m stretch of the road from the apex of the corner!

      After almost losing it and swerving to a stop, heart in my mouth, I looked over and saw 2 sets of headlights, both upside down and pointing into the sky. And this grizzled old country local walked up to my car, tapped on the window, and said "don't you city dickheads take any notice of signs!"

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  2. Riiiiiighht by Qubit · · Score: 5, Funny

    World standards day is today, the 14th. Posted on..

    ...the 15th.

    Maybe we need some new standards?

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    1. Re:Riiiiiighht by PornMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We do have a standard time. It's called UTC, and the article was posted on the 15th in UTC. date -u

      Just because you don't use it -- that doesn't mean there isn't a standard.

    2. Re:Riiiiiighht by Seumas · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you were grabbing asses on national talk like a pirate day, I think you completely missed the purpose of national talk like a pirate day.

  3. Remember... by FatRatBastard · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... all replies in this thread should be in Esperanto!

  4. How many country codes are needed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    .. er, one for each country.

    The date formats annoy me quite often e.g. 13/4/2005 compared to 4/13/2005. Please use 2005-4-13 as it is less confusing.

    1. Re:How many country codes are needed? by RussP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Please use 2005-4-13 as it is less confusing."

      Good idea, but let's get it right while we're at it. It should be 2005-04-13, or it will be lexicographically ordered later than, for example, 2005-21-13.

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    2. Re:How many country codes are needed? by truedfx · · Score: 2, Informative

      YYYY-MM-DD is the international ISO standard [...] Nobody ever uses YYYY-DD-MM.

      Actually - nobody is the wrong statement. Sweden and Japan uses the ISO format.

      So who uses YYYY-DD-MM? I think you misread the date format. Either that, or I misread your post :)
    3. Re:How many country codes are needed? by stesch · · Score: 2, Informative
      The date formats annoy me quite often e.g. 13/4/2005 compared to 4/13/2005. Please use 2005-4-13 as it is less confusing.

      I'd prefer the date format according to ISO 8601 instead of your own format. :-)

    4. Re:How many country codes are needed? by RollingThunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The all-numeric date format with years first sorts out perfectly. When you use English spellings (note: a sizable portion of the world has different names for those months) you lose the automatic sorting.

  5. Bureaucracy by redonion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is just more bureaucracy. Why not do your best, instead of keeping to minimum standards? We need a society that tries to exceed, not just get by.

  6. HD Video release of proceedings... by SalsaDot · · Score: 3, Funny

    HD Video release of the proceedings will be made available on both HD-DVD and Blue-ray format discs.

  7. Baby Steps by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many sets of country codes and date formats do we need?

    Speaking as someone who has worked on a few large scale, interdepartment information systems, I think a good first step would be to get it down to one per application.

  8. ITU by Bogtha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's worth pointing out that the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) is an agency of the United Nations. All the bluster about the EU "taking over" the Internet is actually a move to have the Internet administered in much the same way as the international telephone service.

    Bear that in mind before celebrating World Standards Day today and accusing the EU of being petulant children tomorrow.

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  9. Let's not be too hasty here. by elgee · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thousands and thousands of programmers are employed trying to display the right time and date in internationally used programs. Make it too easy and those programmers will have to get real jobs.

  10. Let's all hear it for the C99 standard! by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh wait, no-one actually implements the full standard because it is completely disconnected from reality and outside the scope of the committee that drafted it.

    Let's all hear it for the C89 standard!

    That's better.

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  11. This is all well and good... by John+Nowak · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... but when are they going to standardize on a standards organization?

  12. Ah, those good old ISO standards by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 4, Funny

    True story.

    I had a customer that was very intent on becoming certified to the ISO-14000 standard, the "environmental" standard. Part of this includes writing 3 page procedures on how people should throw their aluminum cans in the recycle bin. Of course, one must track the 7 revisions to the document to comply with the standards.

    Anyway, they had a big push for this. They implemented training for everyone, wrote policies and procedures for just about every action (such as recycling cans), and so on and so forth. To motivate the troops and show off their pride, they had dozens and dozens of signs made up that they placed all around the plant, talking about ISO 140001.

    Yes, you read it correctly.

    A few weeks after they put the signs up, I pointed out the error. I wondered if ISO-140001 was an order of magnitude better than ISO-14001.

    On my next visit, they had painted over one of the zeros so that they were now promoting ISO-1400 1. I guess that's revision one of the 1400 standard.

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  13. Re:Important question by Mattintosh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone should be on Zulu time (which is basically just GMT expressed in 24-hour format). When it's 0600 Zulu, we here in the central US should be asleep and should stay that way until about 1200 at the earliest. Personally, I wake at about 1330. When it's 1330 in the central US, it's 1330 in Britain, Russia, and even on islands on both sides of the IDL. No muss, no fuss. It just happens to be location-dependent whether it's dark or light at any given numeric time of day.

    From that point, it's a hop-skip-jump to making everyone have the same date, thus eliminating the 24-hour jump over the IDL, along with stupid fights about which country gets to be the first one to start a new year. (Remember the whiny-bitch islands that wanted to be first ones into the new milennium? Yeah. That. Prevent retards by force if necessary. But usually changing the rules out from under them works fine.) So basically, when the clock rolls around to 0000, the date rolls over to the next day. Again, no muss, no fuss, just a simple numeric counter for easy measurement of events in their proper order.

  14. For IEC, ISO, and ITU by AthenianGadfly · · Score: 2, Funny

    While IEC, ISO, and ITU celebrate today, ANSI, IEEE, and ETSI - among others - are ramping up preparations for what they contend to be the correct day for the festivities, a yet-to-be-determined date in December.

  15. That was a tad late by teslatug · · Score: 2, Funny

    Posted on Fri Oct 14, '05 11:20 PM, quickly we have 40 minutes to celebrate.

  16. Metric system sucks by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Time to include a standard rant about the Metric System. 10 is an ugly base for measurements. 12 or 60 would make a better base because they are nicely divisable by more simple integers. However, we would probably need to use a base 12 or base 60 counting system to take advantage of it. The Intelligent Designer should have given us 6 fingers on each hand.

    1. Re:Metric system sucks by a.d.trick · · Score: 2, Funny

      I propose using base 8 from now on. This would have many advatages, particularly with helping people work with hexadecimal and other computer related numbers. To facilitate this move I propose we cut off every person's index finger. That way people will get used to counting to 8.

  17. --Please note-- by mcc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oct. 14 is World Standards Day except in the United States, where it is observed on October 17

  18. Wait. by Vegeta99 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is that 2005-10-14... or 10-14-2005? or 14-10-2005? or 14OCT2005?