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Microchips for Dangerous Animals?

lucabrasi999 writes "CNN is reporting that Japan is moving towards requiring all owners of potentially dangerous animals (such as crocodiles and pythons) to have microchips installed in case the animal gets loose. Apparently there has been a wave of 'wild' animals that have been escaping their captivity. Did you know that it is actually possible to take your pet snake for a 'walk'?"

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  1. PETA? by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Has a group such as PETA made any comment with regards to this practice?

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    1. Re:PETA? by bcat24 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      PETA seems to support microchipping. See, for example, this page and also this one.

    2. Re:PETA? by Ucklak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Who cares what PeTA thinks anyway. They're not the de-facto animal rights saviours although the media might want you to think otherwise which is what they want - exposure. They're more like terrorists and an organized crime ring. The fact that they hire known felons and arsonists to destroy businesses should be a clue that they're not on the up and up.
      The ASPCA is the organization that actually cares about the well being of animals.
      http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer

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    3. Re:PETA? by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, that attitude is closer to what mainstream media wants you to think. Anyone who's ever worked with PETA or talked to PETA members would know that the organization is primarily about disseminating information and raising awareness about animal rights. It's funny how easily people buy into the astroturfing and FUD spread by corporate entities that dislike PETA but never take the time to even visit the PETA website or pick up a flier and read about actual campaigns.

      Contrary to popular beliefs, 99.9% of PETA members are not extremists (unless holding public talks, organizing vegetarian potlucks, and handing out fliers about animal rights are acts of terrorism). Even though the media likes to only cover radical actions taken by members of progressive movements these incidences are rarely representative of the movement as a whole. It's just a way to undermine their message by using red herring arguments magnifying the actions of a few radicals to take attention away from the real issues at hand. It's easier to say "they're a bunch of terrorists" than it is to defend draize tests that produce no useful scientific data or other immoral business practices.

  2. You Are Here by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People are the most dangerous animals.

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  3. HOW OUTRAGEOUS! by fireboy1919 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Next thing you know, they'll be branding cattle, and tattooing ferrets!

    And the regulations will only get worse!

    Its only a matter of time before you have to have a license to keep exotic predators!

    Oh wait...that's the way it is now. I guess society wants to keep track of its animals.

    Carry on then.

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  4. Old news by Celsius+233 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The article has been up for three and a half days.

    Anyways, why don't they just not let people take these animals into public? Is it really a good idea to take your croc for a wlk? Or better yet, why not ban the possession of them outright?

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    1. Re:Old news by FudgeRusket · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're right, this is old news. So much has happened in the field of animal microchip implants in the last 3 and 1/2 days.

    2. Re:Old news by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The article has been up for three and a half days.

      That's what happens when you visit a news aggregation site. Either stop complaining or leave. Having news be "old" is a problem inherent with slashdot, get over it already.

  5. What's a "potentially dangerous" animal? by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What exactly is a "potentially dangerous" animal? Most animals are potentially dangerous. Many dogs can easily harm humans. Will all dogs need to be embedded with such a device? Even cats can bite and scratch. Will they require tracking devices? Even timid bunny rabbits can give a good bite if provoked enough. Again, will they need such devices?

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    1. Re:What's a "potentially dangerous" animal? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2
      Most animals are potentially dangerous.

      True. IIRC many pets in Australia now get an implanted chip. Vets use a handheld reader to get an ID number. It is mainly for identification and to track treatment over time.

    2. Re:What's a "potentially dangerous" animal? by node+3 · · Score: 2

      What exactly is a "potentially dangerous" animal? ... Even timid bunny rabbits can give a good bite if provoked enough. Again, will they need such devices?

      Um, no, they aren't going to require chips in bunnies. Do you really think it likely they would classify a rabbit as a "potentially dangerous" animal?

      Yes, eventually some law will be interpreted in some such stupid way, but your question is absurd. Just because something cannot be (or at least, hasn't been) objectively defined does not mean it does not exist, or is not useful.

      Dangerous animals pose a public risk, and is within the legitimate realm of things to be controlled by law. If the application of the law requires the interpretation of a subjective term, if it relies on someone's opinion, then that's just the way it is. Many laws are like that, disturbing the peace, reckless driving, and so on. It might be preferable to have all laws be strictly and objectively defined, but sometimes you just can't realistically do so.

      What's better, a law with clear intentions, and which a sense of "reasonable" can be used to interpret it, or letting people keep potentially dangerous animals, unchecked, in an urban environment?

      I mean, seriously, if your neighbors bobcat killed your child, or you were attacked by someone's alligator that got loose, would you accept the excuse, "well, all animals are 'potentially dangerous', so we couldn't really treat a wild predator any different than a domestic herbivorous bunny"?

    3. Re:What's a "potentially dangerous" animal? by MBCook · · Score: 2, Informative
      Another poster pointed out that this is required for all animals (or at least dogs and cats) in Australia. That'd be fine with me. My dog has one. I would fully support requiring it for all licensed animals (and, of course, all animals require a license). To be able to easily identify the owner of a dog that has been abused (ostensibly by its owner) would be a great thing. It would then also be possible to identify the facilitators of other crimes (like the owners of vicious pit-bulls who either don't socialize or train them to attack then let them run free). Dog gets eaten by an alligator in the neighborhood pond? Now we could find out who owned it and fine them (or whatever) for "improper disposal".

      As for any cost of the chips (I don't know what it costs, and my dog was chipped about 6 years ago so I'd imagine it has changed since anyway), by requiring all pets (except, perhaps, rodents like mice, hamsters, and ferrets; as well as small birds and small fish) to be chipped would drive the price down (economies of scale and what not).

      It could also be used to track down puppy mills. If breeders are required to chip their animals, it would be pretty trivial to find the puppy mills (or at least many of them) and shut them down if they deserve it. I suppose it would also make tracking of pedigree bloodlines easier.

      I'm all for it. Let's do it in the US.

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    4. Re:What's a "potentially dangerous" animal? by ozbird · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do you really think it likely they would classify a rabbit as a "potentially dangerous" animal?

      "That's no ordinary rabbit. That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on ... that rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide, it's a killer!"

  6. What a good idea... oh, wait... by failrate · · Score: 4, Funny

    I read that as MOD chips for pets. I was so excited, but now...

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  7. Holy Grail Killer Rabbit! by 42Penguins · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Even timid bunny rabbits can give a good bite if provoked enough."

    oblig monty python killer rabbit:
    "I'm warning you!"
    "What's he do? Nibble your bum?"
    "He's got huge, sharp... er... He can leap about. Look at the bones!"

  8. Thank goodness! by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's why we are at the top of the food chain. It's nice not to have to worry about a snake eating your young while you're out foraging for food isn't it?

    Personally, I like being at the top of the food chain.

    1. Re:Thank goodness! by chicago_bulls · · Score: 2, Funny

      wouldn't it be more fun not to be at the top...
      think about how exciting everyday would be if, the second you went outside, there was a chance that you could be eaten by a flying shark....
      would anybody ever have another case of the mondays?

    2. Re:Thank goodness! by jrockway · · Score: 3, Funny

      > there was a chance that you could be eaten by a flying shark....

      Obviously lawyers don't live in your neighborhood.

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  9. Assassin dolphins by gustgr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does "Dangerous Animals" include US Navy dolphins with toxic dart guns?

  10. Dangerous animals???? by hellfire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yanno, I've always had a problem with people saying animals like pythons are dangerous. Well let's see, considering more people die annually from dog attacks than pythons, we should be microchipping all pets. Okay, those figures are for the United States, but pythons are no more common as pets in Japan in the US. Hey, mice can carry diseases, despite the fact that most white mice owners don't let their mice near trash piles, but let's microchip them just in case! This is a non-problem.

    I also have a problem with opening the door to using the tracking of pets to track people. This smacks of over-reaction and the singling out of one class of pet owner either as a weird form of discrimination, or simply fear of what most people don't understand.

    Go out and start tagging mosquitos since they carry west nile and malaria, they are far more dangerous world wide to humans than pythons.

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  11. Walk by Elitist_Phoenix · · Score: 2

    Did you know that it is actually possible to take your pet snake for a 'walk'?
    I like to walk my boa constrictor up and down a golden valley everyday.

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  12. Re:Argh, snake by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 2, Funny

    That flashloop is older than prostitution.

  13. Bunnies! by bohemian72 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've got a theory! It might be Bunnies!

    Bunnies are just cute like everyone supposes!
    They've got those hoppy legs and twitchy little noses.
    And what's with all the carrots?
    What do bunnies need such good eyesight for anyway?
    Bunnies! Bunnies!
    It's must be Bunnies!

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  14. They'll never be able to chip MY pet by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My bird-eating tarantula sheds her skin regularly.

  15. Thank God! End this madness! by RexRhino · · Score: 2, Funny

    Every day I walk the streets, I have to be on my guard, not knowing when a komono dragon is going to bite off my leg, or an enraged ape is going to storm out of an alley and attack me, or an electric eel is going to zap me the next time I step in a puddle. I live in fear! FEAR I TELL YOU!! What is that buzzing sound? I hear it is too cold in Canada for Africanized honey bees, but YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO CAREFUL, DAMN IT!

    It restores my faith in government that there is no threat too obscure, too irrelevant, or too laughable not to legislate and spend gobs of money on!

    Seeing as the number of people killed by non-indigenous species every year has got to be, what, like 8 people?

  16. Old news by seifried · · Score: 2, Informative

    My cat is chipped, I had a choice: she can wear a collar with a tag (which I have to keep on her, make sure is on, etc, etc.), she can get a tattoo (which takes about an hour) or she could get chipped (takes about 2 minutes, she didn't seem to mind, neither did my parent's cats when they were done). Why is it such a stretch to require chipping for exotic pets? I know locally the entire chipping process with registration costs about $100 (one time cost).

    Booooooring.

  17. Several reasons for microchipping by bypedd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PETA's support (and, for that matter, many animal-focused organizations') support for microchipping generally is so that lost cats and dogs can be identified. And, much like a Diabetes bracelet, if an animal has an illness and needs medicine, that can be determined immediately. The Seeing-Eye, for one, likes to microchip their dogs because they are so valuable. It's a little bit of loss-protection so the owner can be found, but it's also a bit of theft-protection; as horrible as it sounds, stolen dog guides would be rather valuable as they are so well-trained. Although this story seems to lean toward microchipping as a way of identifying the owner in a case of neglect (if you left your alligator out to eat people, then you're in trouble, for instance). It's not a cruelty thing at all, then, for whatever reason it's done.

  18. I found it interesting that.... by the_wesman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the post mentions "crocodiles" and "pythons" as dangerous pets - granted, we all know that crocodiles and alligators are different, but nonetheless, I couldn't help being reminded of this tasty tidbit of recent news - nice photo too.....

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  19. dangerous.... blah! by Cruciform · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm a reptile owner with boas, pythons, a few corn snakes, and a texas rat snake. The boa constrictors will eventually get to be fairly large, about 7 feet for the male and 8 to 10 for the female. The pythons, Royals (also known as Ball Pythons) and Spotteds will be hard pressed to grow past 5 feet.

    The boas are the only ones I would consider to be a potential threat to other pets in the house, and that point is still years off. They are by far my most docile snakes, and only exhibit a feeding response when presented with rats. The smell of my cats or dog elicits no reaction from them whatsoever.

    Ball Pythons are probably one of the fussiest snakes when it comes to feeding and they are of no danger to pets or people. They're very timid and there have been incidents of Balls being maimed or killed by live mice that were dropped into the enclosure when the snake wasn't hungry.

    My town considers any snake over two feet long "bad", yet would take no action when our previous landlords pit bull came after my family five times. I find this somewhat ironic. Dogs are considerably more dangerous to people than any small or mid-size snake.

    Large snakes such as burmese pythons, reticulated pythons, african rock pythons, and anacondas should never be handled solo, and bringing them out into the public is just plain nuts.

    Burms typically have a docile temperament, but you don't want to be carrying a 10 foot long snake that gets a whiff of guinea pig off someone that walks by. The others listed there are known for their bad tempers, and the Rock python has been confirmed to have actually killed and eaten at least one person in its native habitat. Despite pictures of other snakes that are purported to have killed and eaten humans, neither I nor any of my friends in the herp community have found any documentary evidence to reinforce this. To the contrary, several of the pictures that make the e-mail rounds have turned out to be phonies.

    Very very rarely, a large snake will kill it's owner. This is usually a mistaken feeding response. Like a monitor lizard, a snake that has taken the scent of prey has a one track mind. So if you're in the way of the food, or moving when the prey isn't it's a good way to get hit. The snake will then strike, hold and constrict. They don't crush bone, but actually tighten around the torso with each exhalation of breath until the victim asphyxiates. If the victim happens to be a person, the snake won't realize its error until too late.

    On the other hand, these animals don't constrict as a matter of defense. Their strike is a fine deterrent. The strike of an adult burm or Rock has been described as feeling like being struck by a 12lb hammer.

    That's why I'm content with my relatively small snakes :)
    When I'm walking the dog at night, sometimes my female boa comes along for a ride on my arm, but they never see the street during the day.

    I've been considering buying an Avid chip system to tag my snakes. But this is for personal security rather than legislated responsibility. When you get into the rarer color morphs it can get quite expensive, and whole collections have been stolen.

    Anyway, I'm all for chipping pets, "dangerous" or not, but I really hate how the label gets stuck on some animals because of irrational fears. (Freaking out if you find a croc in your front hallway is not irrational. Feel free to scream and piss yourself. Me, I'll grab a camera and keep my distance.)

  20. Prelude to chipping people by typical · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There have been some attempts to chip people, but there is a pretty strong public dislike of it. There's a pretty strong business motivation for it, though -- lots of money at stake (look at e-voting, for instance). Putting chips in other things is a good way to get people used to the idea.

    There have already been moves in this direction, towards tagging prisoners in Mexico (the Mexican AG is tagged to help people get used to the idea), towards tagging schoolchildren in part of Japan, and so forth.

    On the whole, I don't really like the idea of tagging. We have a pretty robust social system precisely because it's not possible for a single group to tightly monitor and everyone in a state -- he'd be facing almost instant rebellion. However, at least tagging is better than biometrics (at least if someone compromises your chip, you can just get a new chip -- if someone compromises an iris scan, you have a problem).

    The other problem is the huge number of companies who are trying badly to sell RFID tags for everything. RFID is the most oversold technology since XML. Not that RFID isn't useful -- it's convenient for a specific (not *that* common) case of having to scan unusually-shaped objects, where retrying a scan is acceptable, where the speed is not that high, where there are not multiple objects close together, and where the range is very short (a foot or two). This pretty closely describes what happens at a retail checkout counter, which is the big killer app for RFID. On many similar boxes you can have scannable labels, on high-speed packages you need to be able to do a read faster, and so forth.

    The thing is, Wal-Mart has backed RFID in its products (which makes sense from its standpoint -- to handle that inventory problem), and now that there's a market, there are eight zillion companies trying to convince every business out there that they *need* RFID yesterday, which is absurd -- in many ways, RFID is a step *backwards* from less-complex technology.

    As you can tell, I'm not really thrilled about the motivations of most of the people pushing stuffing chips into everything either -- if there's a direct, measurable, pragmatic benefit, then it's worth evaluating something like this. Otherwise, it's just technology without a purpose.

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