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Card's Intergalactic Medicine Show

grammar fascist writes "Orson Scott Card's Intergalactic Medicine Show, a science fiction / fantasy webzine, went online just yesterday. Card, the editor-in-chief, has stayed true to his ideals: quality stories, author's rights, and trust in people's honesty. New stories are released quarterly, with new column installments added monthly to the current issue. New art is created for each story. There isn't even an attempt at draconian content control. Writers and artists give exclusive rights for one year - after that, limited rights. Card wants your stories and art, not your copyrights. I've finished the first issue now, and the stories are great. "Eviction Notice" made me cry, and I laughed out loud at "Loose in the Wires." I paid my $2.50 initially to support the business model, but the stories themselves are worth it."

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  1. Great for O.S. Card by mordors9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This follows in the great tradition of the old print anthologies of SF Stories. Hopefully this will lead to more interest in SF and writing in general. Perhaps we can return to the glory days of SciFi.

  2. Another way to support Independant Science Fiction by salimfadhley · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another way to support independant sci-fi is to listen to Escape Pod, the weekly science-fiction podcast magazine.

    I'm not involved in this project, but I have been a frequent donor. I think EP is a very important project. To some extent, the sci-fi and fantasy genres are dominated by the feature film, the novel and the long-running series. The traditional vehicle for short stories, magazines, have a dwindling readership, and do not have the distribution that they once had at their peak.

    EP seeks to create an audience, and perhaps one day a market for short, original science-fiction stories. I think this is a very noble and important cause.

    Please tune in. I hope you enjoy it. You can find it listed on all good podcast directories.

  3. Stresstesting server by Big+Nothing · · Score: 3, Funny

    Orson Scott Card's Intergalactic Medicine Show, a science fiction / fantasy webzine, went online just yesterday. Card, the editor-in-chief, wants to have his server stress tested.

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  4. Pffft...Mormons by BushCheney08 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Card, the editor-in-chief, has stayed true to his ideals: quality stories, author's rights, and trust in people's honesty.

    Pffft. Leave it to a Mormon to actually implement a business model that respects the work's creator...

    (I just spent last week in SLC. Can't say I agree with a lot of their views, but they are a very nice bunch of people.)

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    1. Re:Pffft...Mormons by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Funny

      You just had to go there.
      Now we can get see the flood of anti-Mormon bigotry start flowing.
      BTW The Mormon Churches website has instructions on how to view and or listen to their webcasts on Linux.
      Thanks for saying that they are a nice bunch of people but just like every group you have some good and some bad. Frankly if you want to show your respect for them it is best too just not mention them.
      Freedom of Religion is less welcome on Slashdot than a racially mixed wedding at a Klan meeting.

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    2. Re:Pffft...Mormons by syrinx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, because Bush personally could have done a whole lot, such as keeping the water out of the flooded areas by plugging the holes in the levees with his fingers. Or teleporting people out of the area WITH HIS MIND! If only he had been there!

      (If you're just interested in useless symbols, take a college English class.)

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    3. Re:Pffft...Mormons by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually no that is not Religious intolerance.
      He is voicing his opinion that he thinks that homosexual marriage is wrong and should be outlawed. That is called the democratic process. He is not declaring it to be illegal. There are people that have the opinion that children should have the "right" to have sex with adults. There are people that have the opinion that all sex outside of marriage should be illegal.
      You have two choices.
      1. You can as some-people like to put it declare that your scary skygod or FSM has told you what is right or wrong.
      or
      2. Leave it up to the democratic process.

      I find it so very interesting that many people scream how evil religion is only to set themselves up as there own personal God.
      If do not believe that there is a God or absolute right or wrong then only right is what the majority declares right or what some dictator decides.

      "That is religious intolerance - when you try to force everyone else to behave the way your religion says they should behave, with no justification other than your personal views on what god wants. When people like Card try to force others to conform to his religious beliefs, he is the one who is infringing on the religious freedoms of others. Don't you dare try to portray us as not supporting freedom of religion simply because we don't want blatantly religious beliefs codified into laws."

      I agree with you up to one point. How is Card forcing you to do anything? Does he have a gun to your head? Is he going to throw you in a camp? Last time I checked he wasn't doing anything but voicing his opinions. Doesn't he have as much right to voice his opinions as anyone else? Or do you feel that because you disagree with them that is enough to take that right away from him?

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    4. Re:Pffft...Mormons by nasor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here you go: http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hypocrites.html " Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those whoflagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society. The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships. "

    5. Re:Pffft...Mormons by corblix · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Freedom of Religion is less welcome on Slashdot than a racially mixed wedding at a Klan meeting.

      You almost got it right. I don't think it's freedom of religion per se that is under attack. Rather, I see a consistent, pervasive demonization of religious people as a class. In short: prejudice, bigotry, condemnation of and hatred of people based on group affiliation.

      And I find deeply disturbing some of the stuff that goes unchallenged around here.

    6. Re:Pffft...Mormons by timster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's amazing about your comment -- and the fact that it got modded up -- is that the entire thread above it is full of people saying that Mormons are nice, great people, and that they'll tolerate you and leave you alone if you want, and that their church is doing a great job of guiding people well. The major exception was an ex-Mormon or two saying that they were treated badly when leaving.

      Religion is not under attack, not on Slashdot and not in the United States. What HAS happened is that some evangelicals have decided to use their religion as a political tool, and poorly (using a knife to turn screws is possible, but bad for the knife). Everyone here is fine with Mormons being Mormons.

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    7. Re:Pffft...Mormons by rco3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Without a God is there a right or wrong?

      Yes. I'm sorry that you've endured brainwashing at the hands of no-doubt-well-meaning christian clerics, but the fact of the matter is that neither they nor any other spiritual shamen hold a monopoly on morality.

      In fact, I'd go so far as to assert that any system of right and wrong based on the caprices of a god is in fact inferior. Such systems take the childish, "wrong is what daddy doesn't want me to do, and he'll punish me if I do it," paradigm and modify it to replace "daddy" with a putative "big daddy in the sky" figure, but the essential core is the same. That's great if you're a primitive society in which education is a luxury afforded to the privileged few and critical thought is still more rare, as this provides a simple way for the clerical class to rule over and maintain some semblance of order in their society. "Don't eat shellfish, pigs are filthy, thou shalt not lie with a woman during her unclean time, thou shalt not kill, etc." are great ways to enforce hygiene and a sort of pseudo-morality upon those who haven't the intellect or education to think for themselves... but it presupposes ignorance and stupidity upon the part of the laiety. Shepherds are those who tend sheep, and there's a reason why christian clerics refer to themselves as shepherds and to their parishioners as their flock.

      I won't argue the point that the concepts of right and wrong require some sort of frame of reference. I will, however, disagree vehemently that that frame of reference must necessarily be a deity of any description. Saying that by developing my own moral code I am setting myself up as my own personal god is again logically fallacious, as it presupposes that god is a necessary requirement for a moral code, which is incorrect.

      I realize that this view completely contradicts yours. How fortunate for you, then, that we live in a country which has codified the freedom for you to believe what you wish so long as you don't force it upon the rest of us. It's called religious tolerance. That, sir, strikes me as being right - despite not requiring the existence of a god to make that determination.

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    8. Re:Pffft...Mormons by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "First, he's not advocating for NEW laws, rather the non-removal of the old ones. Subtle, but important difference there."

      Bullshit. No real difference at all. Ask anyone married to someone of another race if the old laws should have been left in place. Also, it's not even subtle.

    9. Re:Pffft...Mormons by Reziac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, I wouldn't deny him his right to disagree.

      However, I *would* deny him the right to *criminalize" those who disagree with HIM.

      To quote from Card,

      "The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly"

      IOW, the goal is to make sure that if you're bold enough to come out of the closet, you also must be bold enough to face arrest.

      But there's a bigger issue here -- and that is the root policy of making sure *everyone* can be found in violation of SOME law, so that if they want to arrest you, they can do so. In Card's case it's being applied only to homosexuals. But what if the old laws still applied to (another poster's example) racially-mixed marriages? should those laws remain on the books too, just because someone disagrees with the practice?

      Point being, any law that is *designed* to be *selectively* enforced is wrong.

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  5. Ummm... by KDan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ok, so Orson Scott Card is a great author... but how is this groundbreaking? There are numerous webzines that publish quality stories, out there...

    Try Duotrope's digest to find them.

    Daniel

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    1. Re:Ummm... by KDan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, in the "Submissions" section..

      We pay 6 cents a word up to $500. Stories can be longer, but the word rate drops with increasing length to always yield a total of $500.

      With this payment we buy exclusive rights in any language or any medium throughout the world for one year from date of first publication in the magazine, and nonexclusive electronic and/or online rights in any language in perpetuity. We also buy nonexclusive print and audio rights throughout the world and in all languages for inclusion in multi-author anthologies based on the magazine, for which you will receive a pro rata share of the authors' share of advances and royalties, to be reported and paid when reports and payments are received by us from the publisher (or, if we are the publisher, every six months after one year after publication, if there are any earnings to report).


      Though these rights are not outrageous, they are by no means extraordinary. In fact, they are more restrictive than your average magazine rights - usually they don't restrict your right to publish in other media for a year, like this does (eg, according to this you are not allowed to sell your story to any anthology for a year from the publication date...).

      So essentially, whereas magazines normally only buy first rights (the rights to be the first to publish the story), this one wants to be the only one for at least a year. Respect for the author's rights? Really?

      Daniel

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  6. Card's Ideals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Card, the editor-in-chief, has stayed true to his ideals: quality stories, author's rights, and trust in people's honesty...

    ...and flagrant homophobia.

    1. Re:Card's Ideals by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      those who oppose the political goals of certain homosexuals.

      You mean like equal protection under the law for the way they happen to be born? Or did you mean to marry who they want because they love that person?

      When people talk about the political goals of a group they usually mean that they don't want that group to have the same rights as they do.

      Take your pick. The anti-slavery groups, womens suffrage, womens rights, the people in these groups were denouced at one time or another (and to some extent still are) because these groups wanted the same rights for their members as the rest of the people had (usually white men).

      exhibiting lewd behavior on "gay pride" day you're branded a homophobe.

      So it's okay when heterosexual women flash their breasts (lewd behavior) during Mardi Gras or get felt up by their studmuffin while sitting on the park bench.

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    2. Re:Card's Ideals by halltk1983 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So it's okay when heterosexual women flash their breasts (lewd behavior) during Mardi Gras or get felt up by their studmuffin while sitting on the park bench.

      The Church is against this too. I am a Mormon, I have *many* homosexual friends, and we agree to disagree about it. They know how I stand, I know how they stand, and we are okay with that. They do their marches, and I send letters. I don't agree with the idea of same sex "marriages", and calling couples "families", but you know something? Neither do most of my homosexual/bisexual friends. They agree that a "family" is a father, mother, and maybe some children. I am a convert, wasn't a member until I was 21, yet I have never been to a "titty bar" because I disagree with the idea. It isn't something I support. But I don't condemn people for going to them. That is not my place. If it is wrong, as I believe, then it will be sorted out when we die. But that doesn't mean that I have to support it. In fact I am quite offended by public nudity, *including* Mardi Gras. There is nothing wrong with the human body, but I think people should have more self-respect.

      I do denounce the lifestyle. I disagree with it. But I do not denounce the people. I don't think they should be gathered and shot, nor do I think that they should be unable to find work. I don't even withhold my friendship. But I will not fight on their side when they ask to call a same-sex union a "marriage" and the union that results a "family" because these definitions are contrary to my own. And you know, because I am not harming directly through withholding my support, it is my *right* to do so, just as it is their *right* to be as they are. I will not persecute them. But I disagree with the lifestyle.

      Am I a bigot? Will you deny me my right to believe as I choose? Am I less human than they?

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    3. Re:Card's Ideals by Joe+Decker · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Homophobia" is a word coined by George Weinberg for the express purpose of stigmatizing those who oppose the political goals of certain homosexuals.

      To the contrary, one can read Weinberg's express reasons for coining the word in interviews such as this one.

    4. Re:Card's Ideals by Snocone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I will not persecute them. But I disagree with the lifestyle.

      Heh. Yes, you've put your finger nicely on the problem there. Sometime in the last two-three decades the definition of "tolerance" has changed from 'tolerating', as you display here, to the necessity to actively approve the behaviour in question. A rather intriguing proposition when the behaviour in question is multiculturalism, to say the least; note that nobody ever criticizes Muslims for their anti-homosexual stances, for instance.

      Am I a bigot? Will you deny me my right to believe as I choose? Am I less human than they?

      Well, by current standards, yes indeed you are. Doubleplusbadthink! Express that kind of thing in polite society these days, and it's off to the reeducation camps and show trials for you! Well, "sensitivity training sessions" and "public apologies", anyways, but I'm sure the actual camps and trials are closer than you'd believe...

      For what nothing it's worth, I'm with you that a reasonable standard of "tolerance" is, well, 'tolerating', but then again I'm such a hardcore libertarian that my response to the whole gay marriage thing is "What the hell business does government have sticking its nose into any kind of personal private arrangements individuals want to call 'marriage' anyways? Let's eliminate ALL laws concerned with marriage, then they have NOTHING to bitch about!" which is pretty much as much beyond the pale of acceptable opinion as yours is, so there you go.

    5. Re:Card's Ideals by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My only issue is codifying YOUR religious beliefs in law.

      I'm in favor of cutting the Gordian knot. I think there should be no (not any, zero) State sanctioning or involvement with marriage. No tax breaks (except for children, whose legal guardianship can be established). No tax hikes.

      Want survivor benefits? Sign a contract. Want child support if the relationship dissolves? Sign a contract. Want social security benefits? (yeah, right...it's pretty to think...) Sign a contract.

      The State should not be in the social engineering business. The State should be performing the minimum possible actions to maintain a civil society, not deciding who is allowed to put which naughty bits where.

      You should be free to disapprove of the homosexual lifestyle. Others should be free to practice whatever lifestyle they wish, even though you labor under the misapprehension that they're "wrong" or "deviant".

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  7. Re:i'm sorry by code601 · · Score: 2

    I used to be a big enders game fan and thought OSC was the king until i read things from the like peter f hamilton, greg bear and ian m banks etc The nights dawn trilogy makes enders game look like fan-fiction

  8. Re:The guy is a fascist by Banishedwun · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That's the problem with most "artists", but nobody says you have to agree with an artist's politics or views. Why can't you(we) just appreciate the good things? Whether it be a movie, book (Ender's Game was great), music, or whatever. If I "binned" the material of every "artist" who had different politics or views than I did then there would be very slim pickings.

    So you'd have to say that Tom Cruise never put out an enjoyable movie, that you never sang along to a Michael Jackson song in the 80s, that OJ simpson wasn't a great football player. People are different, some of the most talented are flawed.

    What there's no room for in the 21st century are the black/white reactionary actions you espouse. If you disagree with Card's politics, fine. If you don't want to buy or even keep his books, fine. But stating that there's no room for "animals" like him? Way to paint yourself into that extremist corner and lose any validity for your argument. Try formulating an argument, support it with facts, and allow your reader to determine whether this is someone they want to support.

  9. You arer kidding, right? by N8F8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Card's site actually looks like a real magazine.

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  10. Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered by patricksevenlee · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You do realize most of the anti-paypal stuff out there is just people bitching and complaining because they were attempting some sort of fraud and paypal caught them on it. There are a few valid complaints yes, but I've never heard of anyone without an account paying through them having any problems. They havn't had any breaches in security that would cause your CC data to be worrysome.

    Uhhh.... no. My PayPal account was frozen when I sold something on eBay and there was a dispute between myself and the buyer. Both PayPal and eBay ruled in my favor (this was before eBay bought PayPal) but then in sour grapes that the arbitration didn't go his way, the buyer did a reverse charge on his credit card, PayPal told me to pay up or they freeze my account. And this is despite the fact that they ruled in my favor. I told them which layer of Dante's Infero to go and will NEVER use PayPal ever again.

  11. Re:The guy is a fascist by bani · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that's just it though. ender's game was not great. it was incredibly two dimensional, shallow, and telegraphed everything light years away. osc took a fad of the times (video games) and wrote a story around it. thing is, it was already a cliche by the time he had got to it. it's way, way cliche now.

    he did know his target audience though -- angsty teens. ender's game appeals strongly to teens, because it's a story about getting ultimate revenge on bullies. what angsty bullied teen doesn't love a story like that?

    oh and before you accuse me of dissing ender's game "just because you don't like his politics" -- i read ender's game and concluded it was mediocre fluff about a decade before I ever discovered osc was an asshat - or anything else about him for that matter. osc's political views have zero bearing on my conclusion ender's game is doggie poo.

    there are many, many SF stories which are "great". ender's game is not one of them.

  12. More Independent Sci-Fi by Anitra · · Score: 4, Informative

    Want to read more free/cheap sci-fi and fantasy?

    Strange Horizons - a weekly e-magazine, donation-supported.

    Futurismic - a monthly e-magazine (focused on futuristic stories and articles about future technology), also donation-supported.

    I've been reading both of these for a few months now, and the stories are great! I'm planning to donate in their fund drives, because I think the quality is superb.

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  13. Author's rights WHAT? by damned_mediocrity · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the /. article summary: "Card wants your stories and art, not your copyright." Ummm, not to question the great slashdot editors, but this is *standard practice* for lit magazines, both in print and online. The author USUALLY retains the copyright for published work. Nothing unique here. Also, most print lit magazines only purchase first serial rights and/or some type of one-time anthology rights. Card's magazine purchases EVERYTHING, all rights, for an entire year. This agreement is actually worse for writers than what most publications offer. As for having all rights (except online rights, which they keep forever!!) returned to the author after a year, this seems great... except when you consider: a) for many print/web literary publications, rights return to the author immediately after publication. b) that the author won't be able to sell the story very easily if it's appeared in another magazine before. Editors want FIRST serial rights, so they can provide readers with unique, never-read-before content. When rights are returned to the author after a year, the author's not going to be able to do much with them, except for maybe putting the story in a print anthology. Sorry slashdot editors, but this looks like a not-so-hot deal for authors.

  14. Re:The guy is a fascist by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm surprised anyone tries to pin Genghis Khan down using a modern political spectrum. After all, the man implemented the largest (and misguided) conservation projects known to man, by attempting to restore most of Asia to its natural Mongolian grasslands (in part by laying waste to cities and farmland). And arguing whether Genghis Khan was reactionary or not depends on your point of view. He certainly greatly upset the prior order.

  15. Re:In general we agree, but this gets to his work by FidelCatsro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Disagreeing with someone's politics is not always a reason to not read their works (though invariably people add their on spin on any story they write ,which could make it less enjoyable for an opposing view point) ,However I would not pay for any services he provides or books he writes ,due to the fact he may use the money to lobby . I don't want to fund people with views like that .

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  16. Riiiiight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now, if by some mistake of birth, you should happen to be a member of that sect and decide you don't want to be affiliated with it anymore, prepare for the onslaught.

    After my wife and I decided we'd had enough, we had nonstop unwanted calls and visits by guys in dark suits. Each and every time they came to our door we told them that we weren't interested, weren't coming back and that we wanted the harassment to stop. The bishop even told us that it was his "ecclesiastical duty" to continue the unwanted calls and visits until we wrote a letter resigning our membership. WTF??

    After we wrote the letter, and they wouldn't accept an email, then the vicious rumors started and our Mormon friends stopped talking to us. It may be all smiles going in, but it's all daggers going out.

    Yeah, nice folks. Love 'em to death.

  17. Dude, me too. by gomel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And I just counted that I have 14 books by OSC on the shelf next to my elbow. So sad. I even met OSC twice at book fairs.

    Recently I read some right-wing lunatic, post-9/11 columns by him. No attempt at reasoning, only 'must follow the leader; dissent is treason' kind of diatribe. That's when I noticed that he is an authoritarian.

    Did you notice that in his books, democracies are the weaklings and loosers, and the strong (or shrewd) win? And what's with this fascination with genocide?

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    1. Re:Dude, me too. by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Enders game is the only book of his I read, but if you asked me his political position after that I would have come up with rightwing authoritarian. There is a definate subtext of "the authorities are of course right, what are you thinking even considering otherwise?" in that work.

      In fact lots of military Sci-Fi falls in that category. Check out David Weber's works for instance. Democracy is just something that gets in the way of chain of command in those books, and it usually does whatever the worst thing possible would be. He primarily uses it as a way to inject "bad" characters into the chain of command so his darling heros can show them up and look better in the eyes of the higher-ups.

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    2. Re:Dude, me too. by halltk1983 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I actually pulled from his book something very different. I had to read the book a few times, but there are definate undertones where he comes across shadowing the authoritarian Hegemony as a Bad Thing(TM). Such as the rejection of religion, the punishments for more than two children, and espescially the monitoring of all children. More so he shows how such things as these negatively affect those under it's influence, ie the difficulties the parents have with religion (baptism of the children and ensuing arguements), how many children they have (the obvious discomfort of not having more in the face of the financial burdens) the fact that Ender as a "third" could not have gotten an education without support from the government, as though "thirds" are lower life forms than the others, and even the intolerance proliferant through the system against these "thirds" shown even by the children and the system's refusal to put an end to it. I think Ender's Game shows clearly what is wrong with an authoritarian government and is a strong testament of why we need a government that does not squelch us.

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    3. Re:Dude, me too. by Rayonic · · Score: 2, Informative
      Enders game is the only book of his I read, but if you asked me his political position after that I would have come up with rightwing authoritarian.

      The cold manipulation of Ender in "Ender's Game" is hardly high praise for militarism. And the following three books in the series are actually even more anti-war and "liberal". (It is revealed that annihilating the "bugs" was wrong, for example, and Ender goes from being famous to being infamous.)

      Not that I'd describe Card as authoritarian anyways.
  18. Alternatives by Heddahenrik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you just want to read/look at scifi stories and art, Elfwood http://www.elfwood.com/ is much easier to access, and it's free. And at the spin-off sites like Elftown http://www.elftown.com/ and Writersco http://www.writersco.com/ you can have a much more intime conversations with or between the writers and artists. But there are also some pretty bad amateurs there, but many see that as a feature, not a bug.

  19. The man knows quality. by LadyVirharper · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't agree with OSC's politics either, but he's a very talented writer, and he also knows how to spot good writing (and other forms of art too). Like someone else said, everyone's flawed, and if you let it limit the artists you patronize, you'll be missing out on a lot of good things.

    OSC also is very active compared to other SFF writers in teaching the next generation to write. He's taught creative writing classes (and he's much more qualified than most who teach those usually worthless classes). He's written a book on how to write SFF, and a book on characterization. And, believe it or not, both books have solid advice...I taught myself how to write before I picked up his books on characterization and SFF, and I pretty much was nodding, going, "Yes, this is right...I do that already...yep, he's got it right..." What I had learned independantly on my own was confirmed in them. They're the only books on writing I've read so far that actually know what they're talking about...I've laughed a few others out the window for being absurdly incorrect on a lot of points.

    I have the feeling that the new webzine is just another step in making a high-quality market for the next generation of writers. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned into the next, oh, I don't know...Azimov's, or something like Marion Zimmer Bradley's anthologies, or other SFF 'zine that was backed by a highly talented author, back in the "Good 'ol days".

    1. Re:The man knows quality. by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed re Card's HowTo books -- in fact, I think they're better than his fiction (which often violates his own HowTo advice, in ways that harm the story). And even if a writer already knows this material, it doesn't hurt to be reminded. Like yourself, I'd already taught myself "all that stuff", but even so it was useful to see it laid out in so many words.

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  20. Re:2 OSC stories in as many weeks? by LadyVirharper · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Regardless of literary (non) accomplishments

    Have you actually ever read his work? Lots of fascinating ideas in there. Some are getting dated...ie, in Ender's Game there's a scene where Ender fools the other kids by basically signing up for a second account and IMing everyone, and while that stuff didn't exist when the book was written, it's common nowdays so probably doesn't have the same effect as it did not 10 years ago...but others are still interesting.

    His feuding brothers are getting annoying, though. For some reason half of his brothers like to hate the other halfs' guts. But that's another topic alltogether...

    and inane social commentary

    Well, I find it nice that he's so involved with his community. Perhaps you find contributing to community inane, but I respect it.

    The man is a racist homophobic bigot

    Racist? Obviously you've never read his stuff. As for homophobic...perhaps, I don't like his opinions there myself. I don't think he's a bigot, though. A bigot is someone who never considers anyone else's view. I think he's someone who has thought about it, and has chosen his path, much like I've considered things, and I've chosen my path. Not everyone who is not all for gay rights or who supports Bush is a narrow-minded bigot, as much as I'd like to jump on that bandwagon myself and say they are. (wouldn't that be a form of bigotry itself?)

    who deserves scorn and scrutiny

    In that order? The scorn before the scrutiny? ::grin:: Perhaps reverse that...take a good look at what he's saying, then decide if you want to scorn everything, or not.

    I'm not saying everyone should lovy-dovy-love him, just that I've found in my own following of his columns that he has more interesting, worthwhile ideas than not, and I've found I respect someone who contributes to his communties--SFF literature, and his local hometown--more than someone who bitches and complains but doesn't try to pitch in to help in their own communities. I do find his views on homosexuality to be a shame, though. And Bush. Bleh. I don't read his political columns anymore, because I know I don't agree.

    (Heh, I'm such a moderate...damned because I'm not left-wing enough, damned because I'm not right-wing enough.)

  21. Re:2 OSC stories in as many weeks? by coyote_oww · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So, as long as I churn out second rate overblown sci-fi and inane social commentary - I am free to bash, discredit and spread hate and religious intolerance?

    Freedom of speech means you don't even have to churn out second rate overblown sci-fi to have this right. "Bash, discredit, and spread hate" is your spin on what he is doing, others have other opinions.

    Of course, on Slashdot, your opinion is the only Approved opinion, and all others should be mercilessly suppressed. Oh, well, unless they also produce some decent fiction, then maybe we'll consider tolerating it...

  22. Re:Deal With It by brucifer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can this be modded informative? References to this article and others come up EVERY TIME Card is mentioned in a /. article. What is interesting is that people are so ready to discount anything a person does if their political/ideological/religous views differ from them. I am really finding it difficult to see the relevance of Card's "insane rightwing religious" fantatisism to the fact that he is putting out a quarterly Sci-Fi magazine.

  23. Re:a very nice bunch of people by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Funny

    And they don't go to extreme lenghts to try to convert you. Once it's clear that you're not interested they leave you alone.

    That's probably because they'll just convert you post-mortem.
    But they sure are a lot nicer than Jehova's Witnesses.

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  24. cool! but can i get it in print?! by radarsat1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's definitly something amazing about the short story format. It is particularly well-suited to sci-fi, as can be evidenced by the beginnings of the genre in Amazing Stories, etc, and thousands of issues of Omni and Asimov's Science Fiction that continue to publish great fiction. And there's something wonderful about holding the latest issue in your hand, taking it with you on the bus, reading it cover to cover, one story at a time.

    It's great that Orson Scott Card is doing his own magazine! I've read some anthologies that he's edited, and they were very good. However, I'd really love to order this in PRINT, if I could, or head over to the magazine store to pick up the latest issue.

    As much as we'd like websites to take over the print market, I just don't see it happening. I still want a piece of paper in my hand when it comes to reading. Even if it was on one of those nice new paper-like LCD screens, I can't imagine it would be an equal experience to holding a book in your hand. I think it's not resolution that is the defining factor here. It is something about the permanence of ink on paper that wins me over. When I finish reading a great story, I never want to lose it. I want to put it on my shelf so I know where it is. The harddrive is such a volatile place to store memories that you don't want to lose...

  25. Re:Orson Scott Card is an asshat. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Funny

    You should have called him an insane rightwing racist homophobe. Then you would have ben modded Informative. :-\

  26. Re:Deal With It by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Orson Scott Card is a great writer, but he's also an insane rightwing religious fanatic.

    I think he's neither.
    He's a writer who's done some good work, and he's a right-wing believer, but I don't think he's great, nor is he a fanatic as far as I've seen.

    The last I read of his was the "Worthing Saga", which featured a race of ubermen recognised by their blue eyes... yeah, er, that's nice Orson, reeeeal nice.

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  27. Re:Deal With It by RexRhino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I disagree with Orson Scott Card's politics, it is very unfair to call him "an insane rightwing religious fanatic" (although I suppose that nowadays in our big brother world anyone who doesn't have absolute unquestioning faith in what is "politically correct" is some sort of "dangerous extremist").

    The Taliban are religious fanatics. Pat Roberson is a religious fanatic. Orson Scott Card is not a religious fanatic, he is someone who simply has views that differ with yours.

    At one time in the Western world it was considered enlightened to have free an open discussion amoung people with differing views. You respected those you disagreed with, if they respected you, even if you had political disagreements. Even if there was NO ONE who would argue a certain point of view, someone would be the "devil's advocate", and argue that point of view - because to not expose yourself to a certain point was considered the height of ignorance!

    How low we have sunk, to where one questions the sanity of anyone who disagrees with them, and will not have anything to do with them... and now, increasingly they want to throw people who disagree with them in prison, or at least make it illegal for them to speak in public.

  28. Re:Deal With It by Dread_ed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    BUY USED BOOKS.

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  29. Oh, bloody please by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I'm an adept of "do whatever the fuck you please, as long as it's in the privacy of your home, and between consenting adults". I'm not opposed to your being gay, or whatever else you want to be. This time however, I'll basically also add "but fucking _keep_ it to the privacy of your own home, and leave the rest of us out of it already, because I'm already tired of the 'waah, you're a nazi if you don't support us' guilt-tripping."

    So where should I start? He's a "rightwing religious fanatic"? Well, how about you support that claim? Because in that article you linked to, I've seen him actually argue his point of view without needing to base it on "God said it's wrong". So how the heck is it religious fanatism? He bases his argument on some things that are technically true, too. Things like:

    1. That it's a redefinition of the word "marriage" to mean something it never meant before. It's true. Marriage always meant something involving a man and a woman. Anything else is an extension of the meaning. Now you may argue that it's a logical extension, and that it doesn't do anyone any harm, and we can even aggree on that. But an extension it is.

    2. That you did have the exact same rights as heterosexual people, including, yes, the right to a heterosexual marriage. It may not be the kind of right you wanted, but technically you had the same rights. (Same as technically if homosexual marriage is allowed, heterosexuals have that right too. They might not want to exert that right, but they have it.) What you wanted was a _new_ right, that noone else had. Again, it may be a logical one, or one that doesn't harm anyone, and we can even aggree there, but it _is_ a new one.

    3. Passing laws and granting new rights is a privilege of congress, not of a judge legislating from the bench. The courts of law are the branch that should apply the existing laws, not the ones that make new ones as they see fit. Separation of powers in the state is there for a reason, and let's keep it that way.

    So how about you address those, if you really wish to discuss that, instead of reaching for the canned "insane rightwing religious fanatic" ad-hominem? (And if not, why did you bring it up?)

    Because it seems to me like all three are technically right. Again, I'm not opposed to your getting that right. Makes sense to me. But the bullshit verbal fallacies (i.e., a whole argument based on redefining what a word means), ad-hominems, and endless guilt-tripping attempts based on those verbal falkacies, _are_ starting to get my goat. If you want to make your case, make it logically already, and not by fallacies. Verbal, ad-hominem, guilt by association (e.g., don't read his books because he's one of the homophobes), or otherwise. Or in other words, ffs, be honest for a start: if you want a new right, say just that, don't pretend someone was denying you something everyone else had.

    And judging from the page you linked to, basically that's the same thing that Orson Scott Card was having a problem with too: that verbal fallacy involved. Hence the Humpty Dumpty reference. Can't even say I blame him for getting annoyed at hearing the same fallacy over and over again.

    And you know what? It might even make your cause a lot of good to be honest for a change, and make a logical case instead of the whole "waah, I'm a victim" guilt trip. A lot of us couldn't care less what you do in your home. Sure, marry another guy, if that makes you happy. But if you act like an attention-whore, attention you'll get. And sometimes of the annoyed kind. If you scream the same fallacy (i.e., lie) again at people often enough, you've just insulted their intelligence and you've just lost their sympathy. Yes, the average human might be an idiot, but if you keep treating him like one and make your whole argument based on word-plays, he'll catch on to it. Just something to consider.

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    1. Re:Oh, bloody please by pilkul · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually, the most outrageous passage in that essay, which you seem to have missed, is this:

      The dark secret of homosexual society - the one that dares not speak its name - is how many homosexuals first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse, and how many of them yearn to get out of the homosexual community and live normally.

      Someone with this belief is pretty much the definition of a homophobe. It seems that Card believes being homosexually raped somehow involuntarily changes your sexual orientation, or begins some kind of drug-like addiction one is powerless to escape. Or perhaps he means that homosexuals are some kind of evil cabal that somehow keeps people trapped in their community. Whatever it is, this passage reveals Card's view of homosexuality to be completely detached from reality.

      The rest of the article, as you point out, is a bunch of strictly speaking correct but irrelevant technicalities. Less objectionable I suppose, but the only reason one would want to raise them in the first place is because one is a homophobe --- it's similar to Neo-nazis raising minor technical quibbles about the Holocaust, without necessarily explicitly revealing their racist agenda.

  30. Re:Deal With It by indifferent+children · · Score: 2, Funny
    What is interesting is that people are so ready to discount anything a person does if their political/ideological/religous views differ from them.

    Yes. Hitler was a marvelous painter, and we should praise his creativity. Maybe put up a statue, or contribute to a memorial fund in his name.

    You can't mod me down for this. Godwin's Law must be followed.

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  31. Re:a very nice bunch of people by swillden · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's probably because they'll just convert you post-mortem.

    In the interest of accuracy, Mormons don't believe that baptizing the dead by proxy "converts" them. Rather, it merely provides the baptismal ordinance for those who decide of their own free will to convert. For those who don't want the baptism, it has no effect. Even some of those who do decide they want the baptism may not be able to make use of it, because acceptance of Christ in the afterlife is only an option for those who did not have a chance to accept Him and be properly baptized during their lives. Those that had a chance, and blew it, probably don't get another even if someone does the baptism for them.

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