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Jack Thompson Under Investigation

djflipstarx writes "Jack Thompson, famous anti-videogame lawyer, has found himself in the position of being investigated by the Florida Bar Association after trying to get Penny-Arcade writers Gabe and Tycho arrested. A bunch of people from the Penny-Arcade forums then went and sent letters to the FBA asking for them to check up on Thompson's current actions and review his license to practice law. The fact that even the National Institute on Media and the Family distance themselves from Thompson doesn't help his case either." The lesson here? There are many nerds in the world. Some of them have a posse. Be careful who you pick on.

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  1. What comes around goes around... by sgant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or is it what goes around comes around, I can never remember.

    But anyway, there hasn't been a more deserving guy than this. The guy obviously has mental problems..and I'm not saying this to say "man, dude is CRAZY". I mean mental problems as in "we the jury find Jack Thompson...".

    Maybe he'll seek some help now.

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    1. Re:What comes around goes around... by Iriel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The more that I've found out about Jackie T, the more I think he's not some self-convinced hero (Don Quixote with aggression issues), but simply power-mad. He starves for strength and control, but now I'd prefer that he stays in the public light and insane. As Mike (Gabe) said on the PA site, it's better to have some raving clown trying to get rid of games as opposed to someone actually intelligent that could get somewhere.

      Let him keep his fantasies because he'll keep going even if he gets disbarred (I guess that's how you would say it, I don't know), but there will always be more to take his place. Let's keep this monkey here so we can laugh at his nonsense instead of worry about his results.

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  2. Guess Jack is learning an important lesson... by thesandtiger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... that lesson being "Other people can write letters too, and they vastly outnumber you."

    Of course, I imagine that poor, pathetic, insane Jack Thompson probably imagines that he's the noble martyr in some epic battle against the hordes of evildoers who want nothing more than to poison the minds of children, and will not, for a second, ponder the possibility that maybe he's wrong.

    Jack, people you thought of as staunch allies have left you, are publically distancing themselves from you. Thousands of people are writing letters demanding that you be investigated while not a single solitary soul is writing the FBA saying you're a good guy. Most people might take that as a hint that their views are not actually meshing well with reality - hopefully you'll take this opportunity to take an assessment, get some help, and most importantly, shut the fuck up already.

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    1. Re:Guess Jack is learning an important lesson... by slavemowgli · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As Winston Churchill said - "a fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject". Jack Thompson sure seems to qualify, so there probably isn't much hope that he'll realise he's not the knight in shining armour he seems to see himself as.

      Unfortunately.

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    2. Re:Guess Jack is learning an important lesson... by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Thousands of people are writing letters demanding that you be investigated while not a single solitary soul is writing the FBA saying you're a good guy. Most people might take that as a hint that their views are not actually meshing well with reality
      People like Jack see such things different. He'll probably assume the "majority":
      * doesn't care enough and needs him to save them.
      * is too affraid to act and needs him to save them.
      * is under the influence of these evil games and need him to save them.

      I don't think we're already rid of him. And even if he's gone, there're still thousands more, eager to replace him. Each of them equally clueless.
    3. Re:Guess Jack is learning an important lesson... by Yocto+Yotta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "And even if he's gone, there're still thousands more, eager to replace him. Each of them equally clueless."

      I know what you mean, he definitely won't be the last, but really, Jack is not in some high and mighty position where people can't already co-exist with his stance in his field of, errr . . . expertise. A group of crazy people (for example, crazy lawyers) would have to be fully aware that they are crazy to be organized enough to put only one of themselves out on the playing field at a time, the rest all sitting idly-by in a orderly single file queue, waiting their turn to take a bullet.

      Thankfully, I think Jack is a major exception to the rule. And hopefully one that will soon have every last shred of credibility legally ripped from him. "Gabe" at Penny-Arcade made a good point in a post yesterday though, saying that we may be better off having this guy holding the reins rather than someone who could actually do a good job. The truth is so funny sometimes.

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    4. Re:Guess Jack is learning an important lesson... by thesandtiger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Very true - while it is certainly *possible* for someone to mod The Sims to make it pornographic, the game itself is not. Saying that, because people can mod games to make them hyperviolent or pornographic or both is like saying that we should ban text editors because someone could write "Mein Kampf" in them.

      His using The Sims - a game that has had such huge exposure - was a critical mistake: So many of the people he's trying to reach have played it, and probably are wondering how the heck this guy can actually believe it's mind poison.

      His positions do have a tiny sliver of a kernel of value to them: Children should not be able to directly purchase hyperviolent/sexually charged video games just as they cannot legally directly purchase pornography. If a parent is willing to let their kid play those kinds of games, then let the parent purchase the game. At least that way they have *some* idea of what their kids are up to.

      But any validity gets blown out of the water by such absurdly stupid comments, such as his claiming the Beltway snipers "trained extensively with Halo," rescinding offers to donate to charity, and threatening legal action against people who have done far, far more good (albeit with far, far more profanity and fruit fucking) than he has.

      There is a discussion that can be had here, but it's a discussion that should be had between rational people who actually hope to accomplish something positive - not reactionary fuckwits who lash out blindly at things that they clearly don't understand.

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    5. Re:Guess Jack is learning an important lesson... by Jacius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think we're already rid of him. And even if he's gone, there're still thousands more, eager to replace him. Each of them equally clueless.

      Thankfully, if Thompson is gone, the fact that he tried but failed with his insane tactics sets a sort of precedent for the next time some bozo finds a soapbox and tries to convince the world that he has a point.

      When I say precedent, I don't mean legal precedent (there hasn't been any sort of judicial ruling declaring that Thomson is totally fscking loco ... yet), but more of a "social" precedent. Imagine ten years from now, when some nutjob goes around saying that Virtual Reality Theft Auto: Spring Break Cancun! for the Microsony OmicronBox 2520 is turning 'innocent' adolescents into ruthless 'killers' and sexually-aware 'perverts', we can just pat him on the back and say, "You're a regular Jack Thompson, aren't you, pal?" and destroy all his credibility with one fell stroke.

      Don't get me wrong, though: I only support destroying the careers of irrational, fear-mongering screwballs. If someone comes up with an intelligent argument (with evidence indicating causation) that video games have significant detrimental effects on a person's physical or mental health, I would be willing to listen to that person.

      But may your God save the next person who says, "I don't play or understand video games, but I fear them and don't like them, which means they are evil and destroying society!" (Hint: knowing nothing about a subject does not qualify you to make 'expert' judgements on that subject. In fact, there are certain schools of thought which believe that ignorance about something means you should just shut up about it already, sheesh!)

  3. The man deserves it by CuriousForge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He so deserves a serious reprimand from the bar. He actively abuses his "power" as a lawyer. That much is obvious by hi rampant threats to sue anyone who breathes in his direction. If anyone brings "lawyers" into illrepute it is this man.

  4. Don't mess with geeks by Bimo_Dude · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ... is the other lesson to be learned.

    After all, geeks are the people who control telecommunications, energy distribution, "your computer," transportation, and most of the data in the world.

    Do you really wanna open that box?

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  5. Hurray by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not quite the "Jack Thompson committed" headline I was hoping for, but this made my day.

  6. Not really by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "After all, geeks are the people who control telecommunications, energy distribution, "your computer," transportation, and most of the data in the world."

    All that and ... most have close to zero communication skills when it comes to making their point to a non-geek. Or even to a geek who's not already a zealot on the same crusade. So for the most part, they're safe to ignore.

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  7. Re:I hope by Jakeypants · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ha ha, prison rape is funny! I hope Jack Thompson experiences the worst form of abuse there is and he'll probably even get AIDS as a superfunny bonus! That'd be just hilarious!

    I hate how every time prison is brought up, some dipshit makes a predictable prison rape joke. Jack Thompson is probably the biggest fucking douche that I can think of right now, but saying you hope he gets raped is immature and stupid.

  8. Be careful what you wish for by ALeavitt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just like every sane person who's heard what Jack has to say, I'm glad this is happening to him and I think he deserves to be, at the very least, disbarred. However, I think that Gabe put it best on the PA website. To paraphrase, Jack is only playing a part that somebody always plays. We're lucky that the person trying to ban the "awful new evil corrupting our children" is an insane, ranting, name-calling lunatic. If he were articulate, intelligent, and capable of arguing his case with solid logic, we would be in trouble. Without him, there is a vacancy in that position, and it's entirely possible that the vacancy will be filled by someone with a brain this time. Ah hell, just go to http://www.penny-arcade.com/ and read what he has to say for yourself.

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  9. Re:moderation by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I strongly doubt it. Lawyers don't get disbarred lightly. He's basically just been a world-class asshole. That's not bad enough to merit such a harsh punishment.

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  10. More by keyne9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Very important to note that Jack Thompson apparently did not actually fax Seattle PD. Quoth Gabe, "The fact is that Jack actually sent the fax to everyone but the intended recipient at the Seattle PD."

    If that's true, then it is a pretty serious problem for Jack.

    1. Re:More by smbarbour · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course he sent it to everyone but the Seattle PD...
       
        It is against the law to file a false police report.

  11. Re:Beware the self-fulfilling prophecy by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Q: What do all of these people have in common
    Stalin , Hitler ,Jeffrey Dahmer , Charles Manson , Peter Sutcliffe , L Ron Hubbard , Pin head , Jack Thompson

    A: That's right ... non of them played Violent computer|Console|video games ..

    I think we can begin to see some correlation between not playing Violent games and evil .

    Which is roughly the same argument they use to say Games cause violence and it's just as specious

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  12. Re:Jack's response to the Florida Bar by actor_au · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem I have with that letter is that its far too casual for a suposed lawyer to have written, especially considering that there is a slim chance his legal license may be revoked(its very very slim and we all know it).

    I'm in university(Political Science and Economics for anyone interested) and on letters to lecturers, tutors and even some students I'm at least moderately formal in my presentation and clear and concise in my meaning.

    If he is meant to be a lawyer he should include case numbers, references to his examples for verification by the Bar Association, some details of the owners of the companies abusing him and his legal actions(claim notices and numbers, filings ect) in response.
    As a lawyer he should have a clear cut break down of the relationship between himself and Penny Arcade from the first moment they encountered each other to the minute he wrote the letter.

    He shouldn't have wasted a third of the letter on some unrelated law firm with connections to George Bush as well. That doesn't fit in the context of the letter and seems to be him just trying to paint himself as a victim of a wider conspiracy.
    While it works on some people, it wouldn't work on anyone investigating the claims, his career and his future based on that contents of that letter.

    Maybe lawyers in America are just more casual in their communications than in Australia.

    Also, every letter he ever writes to the police includes the expression "Cop Killer Simulation/Simulator" when describing GTA, I think Cops know a bit more about cop killers than Jack Thompson.

    Its not that I don't think he's an idiot, I'd just like someone I could at least respect on some level at least as an opponent to Computer games.
    I still agree with the idea of stopping kids being able to play the more violent games out there, and I think most people here do as well.

    But not at the cost of banning them all together.

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  13. Re:Small corrections to the Ars article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Including contact information in your sig isn't a crime.

    Neither is baiting.

    A number of people seem upset by the turn of phrase, but "baiting" does not have to mean internet-flamewar conventions, as everyone seems to assume. A striaghtforward interpretation of Tycho's post is that Gabe does not usually put his cell phone number in his email sig, but this time he did. That seems like dangling bait (a phone number) with the hopes of landing a bite (Jack's phone call).

    No crime, no disparraging of Gabe, just "you think if I put my phone number in there he'll be so irate as to actually call?"

  14. The fight doesn't end here. by Irvu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Gabe over at PA made a rather insightful comment on the issue:

    Yack

    Wed, October 19 2005 - 11:33 AM
    by: Gabe

    Tycho and I remain free men. The fact is that Jack actually sent the fax to everyone but the intended recipient at the Seattle PD. There were a lot of names to remember I don't blame him. I've received literally thousands of emails in the past couple days. They are all commending us for standing up to Jack the way we did. Most of them go on to ask what we can do as a community to stop him. I have to admit that is tempting. The more I think about it the more I think it might not be in our best interest. Let me explain.

    You can certainly mail the networks he appears on. You can even send letters to their advertisers. You can contact the senators he speaks with and demand they ignore him. If enough of us do that sort of thing and we do it long enough they will eventually get the message and drop him just like the National Institute on Media and the Family did. Would that be a good thing? I'm not sure.

    Jack is not special. He is not a unique snow flake as they say. He is just the latest vocal opponent of whatever is "corrupting" our youth at the moment. When my dad was growing up it was rock and roll devil music. Then it was comic books then movies and rap music. Today it's videogames. If we were to succeed in getting Jack blacklisted from the major news outlets someone else would simply take his place. Imagine him as an actor playing a part in a play. The point is that Jack Thompson is not important. If he were to be fired a new actor would simply take up the role. The same lines would still be delivered in the same way and the same audience would pay to see it. We are actually fortunate that the current actor is so impotent in his role. Imagine what might happen if some charming, efficacious attorney took his place. The more I consider it the more I think we may be lucky to have Jack playing the part of the alarmist. The alternative might be someone who is actually capable.

    -Gabe out


    The salient point is this; whatever happens to Jack someone else will step up to take his place. The Center for the Media and Family, perhaps, or some other group. It really doesn't matter. What does matter is that those people will be unlikely to make the same mistakes Jack did.

    What this means for gamers (and all friends of sanity and free speech) is that the fight hasn't ended with Jack, or with the Parents Television Council, or anyone else. This was a battle, not the war. As groups such as the ACLU and the EFF have shown the fight for free speech is purpetual.

    This isn't a doom and gloom thing. This is a long-term point. The way to protect our freedoms is to a) be vigilant and b) be organized. We can't watch Jack dry up and blow away and then go back to sleep thinking everything is hunky dory. Indeed Jack was probably doing more harm for his side than good. We have to be organized, by supporting the existing groups, forming our own, reading the news, and having our reps on speed-dial so that when someone serious comes to the table they face serious opposition.

    In my opinion Jack's 15 minutes of fame is almost over. But that doesn't mean the threat has passed.
  15. Re:Jack's response to the Florida Bar by bigbigbison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WHile this looks legitimate, I would like to know the source of this. Where did you get this?

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