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The PS2 Five Years Later

1up.com is running a feature on the now on-the-way-out PlayStation 2, exploring the hardware, the regional launches, and the hype. From the article: "Gamers were given a chance to see the machine in action for themselves almost exactly a year after its unveiling. Tens of thousands of Japanese gamers lined up across the country the evening of March 3, 2000, hoping for a chance to get their hands on the system. In just 48 hours, nearly 1 million PS2s were sold to giddy consumers, making it 10 times as successful as its predecessor. Its initial price was ¥39,800, roughly $360-slightly expensive, but actually a little cheaper than the price the original PlayStation launched at."

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  1. Original PS2s by HaloZero · · Score: 0

    The original (pre-ordered) PS2s are crippled, somewhat. They don't play DVD movies, and they don't play PSX games. I, thankfully, waited to get one, but a guy on my floor freshman year was one of the lucky ones who had to have one straight away. Boy, did that bite him in the ass.

    I hope the same doesn't happen with the PS3, as I've already stashed the dough for that system. Maybe I should wait for Rev2?

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    1. Re:Original PS2s by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      Where are you getting this information? I've never heard of this, and I didn't experience it on my PS2, which was a first generation pre-order.

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    2. Re:Original PS2s by HaloZero · · Score: 0, Troll

      As I said in my original post, a friend of mine, on my floor in freshman year in college. Name's Tim. He had a pre-ordered PS2 from the 'early days', and his simply would not playback DVDs. Came up as 'Disc Read Error', from day one. Also just refused to read original PSX discs. He demonstrated this to me and my roommate time and time again. Maybe he was just special.

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    3. Re:Original PS2s by MBCook · · Score: 4, Informative
      Um, no. Can you provide proof?

      I bought a US PS2 on day one. I had it reserved. I actually had two reserved by accident and told the store "never mind" on the second one. I am still kicking myself on that as I could have bad $300 EASY on eBay with that one.

      Any way, my PS2 plays DVDs, and PS1 games. It has no problems at all. I pre-ordered it (as I said above). I don't know WHAT you are talking about with PS1 games.

      What's that, you mean Japanese PS2s? Wrong again. They played PS1 games (I rented one from a local company that imports stuff just after the Japanese launch). It could play PS1 games (I tried it!). It could play DVDs, but the DVD player software had to be stored on a memory card (they gave you the software with the system). This software was built-in to the BIOS by the time the PS2 came to the US.

      I'm sorry, but I don't know what you are talking about.

      Side notes about the PS2:

      • Horizontal Stand: Lay it flat (default position) for only $20. Huh?
      • The new silver PS2: Looks great, but has problems playing some games. Didn't they just take the slim-line PS2 and change the case color? What happened?
      • My biggest PS2 complaint? Why couldn't they make it so I could save PS1 saves to PS2 memory cards? I don't think that should be that hard. Oh well.
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    4. Re:Original PS2s by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 1

      If it came up with disc read errors etc. out of the box, perhaps he should've either returned it to where he bought it for a replacement / refund, or contacted Sony about it, as that definatley sounds like it had a fault.

      I gather from other Slashdot discussions that early US PS2s are rather infamous for disc reading problems, but SCEA were good at replacing them when they did have them.

      (I have a mate with a "day 1" UK PS2, it plays DVDs and PS1 games fine, and indeed is still in perfect working ortder, but it would be a later model to "day 1" US PS2s).

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    5. Re:Original PS2s by Hard_Rock_2 · · Score: 1

      I have a first generation ps2(the initial batch released to north america, not pre-ordered but it came with the same batch) and my ps2 still works with ps2 games, dvds and it plays all my psone games. And this is after years of heavy use. So I have no idea where youve got any of this information since this is the first time ive heard it. Maybe your friends ps2 is broken?

    6. Re:Original PS2s by HaloZero · · Score: 1

      My 'proof' lies only with the owner of the unit. He doesn't have a /. account, and I can't blame him for not wanting to be bothered to come here and say what I already have.

      I know that his PS2 was pre-ordered, and accquired day-of-launch. I know that it doesn't not play DVDs, and that it does not play PSX/PS1 games. He has attributed this to the machine being pre-ordered/launch-date-ready.

      Forgive me for relating my experience with someone else's hardware, and his explanation for said experience, at this particular table.

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    7. Re:Original PS2s by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      The new silver PS2: Looks great, but has problems playing some games. Didn't they just take the slim-line PS2 and change the case color? What happened?

      I expect Sony rev'd the chipset (usually improved integration/production, hence cheaper to make a PS2). They did that a few times with the PSX, and a few games that didn't follow the 'rules' would fail to run on later PSX models.

    8. Re:Original PS2s by HiredMan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      He doesn't have a /. account, and I can't blame him for not wanting to be bothered to come here and say what I already have.

      If he's too stupid to return a defective piece of hardware that he paid almost $400 for a working unit PLEASE do not encourage him to come here to post. We have WAY more of those than we can already find a use for...

      =tkk

      PS If the plural of anecdote is not evidence then the singular REALLY isn't...

    9. Re:Original PS2s by MBCook · · Score: 1

      I could understand that (although I wouldn't be happy about it). That said, the unit looks EXACTLY like the slim PS2 only with a different color. Since I haven't heard of any problems with the slim PS2, why would this unit (which looks exactly like a slim PS2 with a different coat of paint) have problems? That just doesn't add up.

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    10. Re:Original PS2s by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

      Are you really saying that you think the chipset hasn't changed because the machine looks EXACTLY the same from the outside?

      The chips are, like, on the inside. Unless I'm missing something.

    11. Re:Original PS2s by badasscat · · Score: 1

      I know that his PS2 was pre-ordered, and accquired day-of-launch. I know that it doesn't not play DVDs, and that it does not play PSX/PS1 games. He has attributed this to the machine being pre-ordered/launch-date-ready.

      Based on my experience, and the experience of others here, I would be more likely to attribute it to either simple wear and tear or misuse.

      I know that there have been other reports of disc read errors on early PS2's, and I'm not ready to discount these reports out of hand, but I have two PS2's - one a US launch system, one a Japanese launch system - and both work basically as well as they did on day one. I take care of my stuff, but I do use them; they're not just sitting there. I just don't move them a lot and I don't bang them around, which is what a lot of people seem to do with game consoles as a matter of course.

      I do think today's game consoles are much more fragile than consoles from the "days of yore", back when they all used solid-state cartridges and had no moving parts. No doubt the PS2 would be way more prone to failure than, say, the Atari 2600. Those early systems were like heavily armored battleships. With a few exceptions (the 5200 and its famously-fragile controllers, for example), those early systems were almost impossible to break, right up to the last major cart-based system, the N64.

      But I'm not convinced there's anything that makes a current PS2 more reliable than a launch PS2. They all have the same vulnerability - the optical drive - but they're all good enough to last as long as designed (with a few exceptions, as you'd expect). No doubt a few launch systems failed over the years and no doubt a few current PS2 systems will fail over the years too. But it seems to me that if there was an inherent problem with the launch PS2's, it'd affect basically everybody. And the only thing my PS2's do any different than the day I bought them is take a few extra seconds to recognize a disc, which I don't consider a major issue considering one's five years old and the other six. I've never had a DRE on either one.

    12. Re:Original PS2s by jimi+the+hippie · · Score: 1

      I called up Sony about a year ago because mine (day 1 PS2, 4 years old at the time) stopped playing games with a "Disc Read Error." They gave me an address, I sent it in. In about 3 weeks I had a newly fixed PS2 on my doorstep. Maybe your friend should try that.

    13. Re:Original PS2s by KillShill · · Score: 1

      My biggest PS2 complaint? Why couldn't they make it so I could save PS1 saves to PS2 memory cards? I don't think that should be that hard. Oh well.

      because then they couldn't sell you massively overpriced flash memory yet again.

      if they just stick to compact flash for each console, they could have the ultimate in storage and compatibility (forget SD, the S stands for "secure" if you know what i mean).

      greed. and the short-sighted "consumers" who bend over for it every 5 years.

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    14. Re:Original PS2s by grumbel · · Score: 1

      ### if they just stick to compact flash for each console, they could have the ultimate in storage and compatibility

      One problem I see with CompactFlash is that its pretty fragile, not the CF card itself, but the slot. If some child inserts the card sideways it should be pretty easy to get a few pins bend and thus rendering the slot and probally the whole console unusable. With todays propritary memory cards on the other side that impossible, since there simply is nothing that you can easily bend.

      With the next console generation things are however changing, the Nitendo Revolution will use SD-cards and the Playstation3 uses MemoryStickDuos, XBox360 on the other side still uses its own propritary format for memory cards.

    15. Re:Original PS2s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disk read errors are common with I think the first three generations of PS2s, in fact I have a friend who will buy any PS2 (big boys) for $20, if the only thing wrong with it is a disk read error. Google for repairs.
        http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=PS2+disk+read +error&btnG=Google+Search/

    16. Re:Original PS2s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well as another counter anecdote my PS2 still works pretty good. I've had it since the day I stood outside with a bunch of other losers waiting for the store to open and have changed residences twice since then. I don't abuse it, but I don't baby it either. Closest thing to a problem is that it doesn't like the layer switch on some DVD's. I don't watch enough movies to care though.

    17. Re:Original PS2s by Schmedley53 · · Score: 1

      Huh? I pre-ordered mine, got two; gave the extra to my son (away at college at the time)--so far not a problem with either one after years of heavy use for both gaming and movie playing. Plays everything it is supposed to, even my home-brewed movie and music compilations! Perhaps a wider sampling of data might be of help to your formulation of opinions in the future, eh?

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  2. All I remember... by daviqh · · Score: 1

    What I remember about the PS2 unveiling is the "insane, better than computer graphics". I also remember watching people being escorted out of some local stores by policemen when they bought PS2's.

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  3. Cost Effective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Goodness, has it been that long? I guess if one pays that much up front, if it can still sustain new titles after five years, then the overall price is fairly negligble. Consider $360 over five years is only 72 dollars, about six dollars a month for entertainment. As much as I like my PC, that's not a bad deal for gaming. I spent around 800 to build my own and that will last me four of five years at best.

    1. Re:Cost Effective? by diamondmagic · · Score: 1

      Yes, but than come in games: 20-60 dollars a game, with mabye 15-50 hours of fun per game. That is about a dollar an hour, it costs less than many arcades, but still, it adds up.

  4. Amazing how the world has changed by TheGuano · · Score: 3, Funny

    in only 5 years time. We were in the midst of a CPU war between AMD and Intel, and we thought the latest 3D cards by Nvidia and ATI would keep the PC competitive with consoles. And to think there were those who doubted when Sony said the Emotion Engine would become the CPU of choice for high-end workstations, PCs, and even super-computers! Take note and learn from history, simple-minded fools: when Sony "hypes" up an upcoming technology, it's only a matter of time before it becomes reality.

    1. Re:Amazing how the world has changed by diamondmagic · · Score: 1
      when Sony "hypes" up an upcoming technology, it's only a matter of time before it becomes reality.


      Yah, you gotta love those Betamax players!
    2. Re:Amazing how the world has changed by generic-man · · Score: 1

      I've ripped all* my CDs to ATRAC3 format so they can play on Minidisc players for years to come. Bring it on, Sony!

      * Except for the ones Sony Music produces, of course. Those are rip-proof.

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  5. WAY better value. by Corngood · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, but than come in games: 20-60 dollars a game, with mabye 15-50 hours of fun per game. That is about a dollar an hour, it costs less than many arcades, but still, it adds up.

    That's a lot less than any arcade I've ever been to, assuming you actually go there to play and not watch. It's also a lot less than the cinema, or buying dvds. Renting films is close, but then you can rent games, and get even more value.

  6. Re:And people complain about... by aliquis · · Score: 2, Informative

    uhm, but 6 years later...

    The price isn't that important thought, the games and add-ons is the expensive stuff.

  7. PC-Level Graphics? by Doomstalk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This whole article seems like a puff piece to me. The author is so busy praising the PS2 (whose shoddy engineering is holding the entire generation back in my opinion) that he can't even get his facts straight. Take his claim that it has a "PC-level graphics chip" for example. That's a load. But even when it launched the PS2 didn't have anything near PC-level graphics capability. There are some pretty games for the PS2, but nothing that looks as good as RtcW- which ran at 1024x768 on a machine I owned before the PS2 came out.

    1. Re:PC-Level Graphics? by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      If Sony was smart, they would make their PS3 hardware swappable. In case something breaks, gamers should be able to buy another DVD rom for $39.99 instead of a new system. If they have to buy a new system, they might be inclined to invest in a Revolution or xbox 360. This was not a threat before, as they are about to face some serious competition.

    2. Re:PC-Level Graphics? by cyrax777 · · Score: 1

      doubt it that would be like saying "ummm yeah our system is prone to breakage but look for 40 dollers you can easly fix it yourself"

    3. Re:PC-Level Graphics? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      If they have to buy a new system, they might be inclined to invest in a Revolution or xbox 360. This was not a threat before, as they are about to face some serious competition.


      Of course, this is if they decide to eat the library of games they already have.

  8. PS2, five years later... by OSS_ilation · · Score: 1

    Is called the PSP.