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Elect NoSoftwarePatents as European Of The Year

Aargh writes "Every year a public Internet poll is taken to vote for, amongst others, the "European of the Year". This year, the founder of NoSoftwarePatents.com has been selected as a candidate. Taken from the NoSoftwarePatents.com site: "We now have a first-rate opportunity to make political leaders, media and citizens all over the world realize the significance of our cause. Please give us your vote, and help us gain more votes, so that the founder of the NoSoftwarePatents campaign be elected as the new 'European of the Year'." Non-europeans can also vote, so why dont we unleash the slashdot hordes?" Mr. Mueller had been exchanging e-mails recently on this subject; thanks to an introduction from Kaj Arnö. I truly do think that given his, and the organization's work that they deserve to win. Check out the celebrity endorsements as well. *grin* Also, worth reading their voting guide if you are going to vote.

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  1. Despite not being able to read that site... by Fridgey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll just do what slashdot tells me to and vote anyway!1!

    1. Re:Despite not being able to read that site... by frisket · · Score: 4, Interesting
      OK, so we /.'d the site. But WTF is it on box running an operating system, made by one of the biggest offenders in the patent business?
      Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'
      [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Too many connections
      E:\WWWROOT\WWW.EV50.COM\HTML\POLL\../include/dbhea der.asp, line 9
  2. Also read the reasons for their nominations by Morosoph · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Since a block vote is, well, unconvincing.

    Many of the voting recommendations have more to do with politics than patents; when it has little to do with patents, it might be worth disobeying the recommendations in order to make a real vote, rather than simply boosting an arbitary choice.

    I wish in fact that NoSoftwarePatents.com had made no recommendation when the was no patent-related issues for that candidate. Such block-voting recommendations also make it easier for people to write this kind of idiocy.

    1. Re:Also read the reasons for their nominations by ErrorBase · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you took the time to actually read the voting recommendations, you'll see that some of the proposed candidates are actually generated at random. actually encouraging to pick one of your own choice. but helpful for the decision impaired.

  3. Do not vote if you have no clue by vinlud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the voting form requires to vote for all categories it is not a good thing to do this if you have no clue who all these people are. Even I, as a overaddict news consuming European, have no clue what to choose for most of the categories because here in Europe news sources are mostly nation minded and therefore very fragmented.

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    1. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are some suggestions on the NoSoftwarePatents site, if you're really stuck for choice. Obviously, read the justification under each one and see if you agree...

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    2. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by vinlud · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Business Leader of the Year: Anne Lauvergeon
      We have no particular problem with any of the five candidates, nor do we have a strong preference for someone. The recommendation above was made by a random generator.


      Well, this is exactly the way not to go. Instead of giving an advice people have to judge for themselves and that regarding the patents issue the candidates are equal they take a random recommendation!

      And ofcourse voting should have been possible with categories unselected, it is really a major error on behalve of the builder.

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    3. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by Znork · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Well, this is exactly the way not to go."

      The random recommendations are just that; random. New randomization each time you load the page. Try it a few times.

      Statistically, people voting using only the nosoftwarepatents recommendations should favor none of the candidates in the unrelated polls, so as far as avoiding any undesired deviations in a poll with these rules I think that's the best it can get.

    4. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by PhotoBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well here's an easy voting tip: Don't vote for Tony Blair in anything, he's pro-patents and he's a lying scumbag too. Just ask him where all of Saddam's WMDs are!

  4. Lets hear it for scalability by NitsujTPU · · Score: 3, Funny

    Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'

    [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Too many connections

    E:\WWWROOT\WWW.EV50.COM\HTML\POLL\../include/dbhea der.asp, line 9

    1. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Bubble666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.ev50.com/poll/
      Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'

      [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Too many connections

      E:\WWWROOT\WWW.EV50.COM\HTML\POLL\../include/dbhea der.asp, line 9


      I got the same error message, I wonder what kind of Admin would setup a webserver with asp/mysql, and for a voting pool i mean, you gotta be a Stupid m*f* to think it'll handle a somewhat reasonable workload... why oh why did they not use something descent like *nix/apache with something like postgreSQL, it seems to me like a win win solution.

  5. Voting guide... by sznupi · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know, thsi reminds me of old joke...
    School teachear giving homework: "children, please write who's your idol, and why Lenin"

    Luckily the background isn't the same :P

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  6. Too lazy, need a script by Gopal.V · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why doesn't someone write a greasemonkey script to mark all these votes ?

    Then I can install it, click Vote and be done about it :D

    Or on the other hand, I could read up on who all these people are before voting. NOT !!!

  7. Flawed voting by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The form requires one to place a vote in all categories, even if I don't know who the people are or if I support none of them. This quite simply bullshit. To support one candidate I'll have support others I care none for.

    This is supposed to be politics. This is supposed to mean somthing! How can they err on such a simple thing as a flawed system of voting when it is the foundation of democracy?

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  8. Tough choice by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It was a tough choice between Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the no software patent guy.

    Voted for Florian though because I think that is the best choice for a more free economy.

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  9. Sweet irony by laurensv · · Score: 2, Insightful

    poll in association with Microsoft.
    Imagine some bobo from MS handing over the prize to the guy from NoSoftwarePatents.
    (I know the organisation would let it come to that, but Microsoft would still be on all the promo material, press releases,...)

  10. If you have no clue, please read by TheTilde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    please read their recommandations on their voting guide. The recommandations are sensible and argumented, and when they don't want to choose (business leader of the year) they generate a random choice. I found it quite funny.

    The issue is important.

  11. Disagree by Da3vid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't say that I agree with the idea to remove software patents. Where I can see that copyright will protect your program, what if its a novel idea in software design that you want to patent? It seems to me that copyrights protect individual works, but patents protect novel ideas and inventions. Perhaps what needs to be done is not to eliminate software patents, but re-define the borders of what is granted a patent and what isn't, and make it more difficult to obtain erroneous patents.

    -Da3vid-

    1. Re:Disagree by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Software is math. You can't patent math, why can you patent software?

      Note that even without software patents, it doesn't mean it's impossible to get patents relating to a software product, it only means you cannot patent the algorithms themselves.

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    2. Re:Disagree by Aim+Here · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "what if its a novel idea in software design that you want to patent?"

      Then you should bugger off implement it and sell a product, and stop trying to monopolise thoughts and demand that other people pay you money for work they did.

      The software industry doesn't pay many people to sit around and think up ideas for other people to implement (computer games designers are exceptions, and a special case, really).
      There is a reason for that. Ideas are cheap and easy to come by. Implementing them is a bit more difficult (though fairly cheap and easy nowdays).

      Trouble is, that at the moment, hardware, software, and skilled manpower, and the means of software distribution and production are all quite cheap and available to most people. This is making life difficult for the big players in the software industry, because in order to be an oligopolist, you and a few of your buddies need to have control over a scarce resource. In computing, at the moment, there's very little scarcity. Hence the need to bribe lawmakers for software patents, and to make software ideas scarce, so that the industry can find something to charge us for. Namely the ideas in our own heads.

      Come back and whine about software patents when there really is a global ideas shortage, not before.

    3. Re:Disagree by J.R.+Random · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One problem is that no one has figured out how to distinguish "worthy" software patents from the vast flood of trivial ones in a way that will work in real life, with government patent examiners who are paid a fraction of what lawyers get in private practice. I can think of a handful of genuinely innovative algorithms that have been patented, such as RSA and the Karmarkar LP algorithm. In all cases they were created by researchers who get paid for publishing their results. In other words, the ideas would have been developed anyway, without any patents, so society has gained nothing by granting them a monopoly on their ideas. Would we really be bereft of innovation in the software industry if there were no patents at all? No rational person can really believe that. So there is really no case for software patents.

  12. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by Aim+Here · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Astroturfing is when you *fake* a grassroots campaign, by, say, having your paid employees pretend to be consumers, or having setting up lots of pseudonyms on a web forum in order that one person pretends to be 20 disgruntled/satisfied customers or whatever.

    In this case, we're a bunch of geeks who are being urged to vote for someone who most of us probably happen to agree with.

    Organising a campaign isn't the same as faking a campaign.

  13. Reasons for this kind of idiocy by pieterh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The kind of idiocy written by those in favour of software patents has nothing to do with block votes. It has to do with money, lots and lots of money, and the surprising effect this has on "journalists". Calling the FFII "communists" is a strange attack but then you have to realise that the author is Polish, and the Polish MEPs were one of the most single-minded blocks to vote against software patents.

    Software patents are being pushed hard by a rich, powerful, and ammoral machine built from lawyers, lobbyists, and large misguided software firms that have been beguiled by the arms race.

    Voting for Florian will send a strong signal that software patents are not a popular legal innovation but are rightly seen as a threat to the free market and open capitalism.

  14. Throw out the baby with the bathwater? by Dekortage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The No Software Patents site says that copyright should cover everything that patents cover, and elsewhere that patents are used as guns against small software developers. Um, and copyrights AREN'T used this way? C'mon. If patents disappeared tomorrow, the lawyers would find a way of crushing you with copyrights, and you'd have a No Software Copyrights! movement in a minute.

    The problem is not with the protection of ideas, but with the execution of that protection in the business world. Maybe 20 years is an inappropriate length for a patent in software; maybe two years would be better. Perhaps patent and copyright duration should be scaled based on the industry, or adjusted based on the commercialization/profit of the IP holder. There are other ways of dealing with this besides chucking the whole system.

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    1. Re:Throw out the baby with the bathwater? by Halo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The No Software Patents site says that copyright should cover everything that patents cover, and elsewhere that patents are used as guns against small software developers. Um, and copyrights AREN'T used this way?
      No. Copyright does not hold in case of independent development, while patents do hold. You cannot "amass a portfolio of copyrights" which then allows you to crush competition which wrote all code themselves. Someone else's patents on the other hand still apply even if you developed something entirely on your own.
      C'mon. If patents disappeared tomorrow, the lawyers would find a way of crushing you with copyrights, and you'd have a No Software Copyrights! movement in a minute.
      Software copyright existed before software patents. The companies behind the nosoftwarepatents.com campaign earn their money thanks to the copyright they have on their code. I don't see why they would want to abolish copyright. The people behind the nososftwarepatents.com campaign did not originally wage a "nocopyright" campaign and then just switched to patents because it's more contemporary. Please find another strawman.
      The problem is not with the protection of ideas, but with the execution of that protection in the business world.
      Can you please cite some scientific research which backs up that claim? Here's my collection of research which indicates the contrary.
      Maybe 20 years is an inappropriate length for a patent in software; maybe two years would be better. Perhaps patent and copyright duration should be scaled based on the industry, or adjusted based on the commercialization/profit of the IP holder.
      The patent system inherently has a huge inherent overhead cost: filing applications, performing prior art research to avoid infringement, licensing deals, lawsuits, ... This is not about babies and bath water, but about determining whether it's all worth the trouble. It's not like the software sector needs software patents to function well, and there are an awful lot of indications software patents don't help increasing efficiency.

      Proponents of software patents have been claiming for years the whole system can be fixed by just making a few adjustments, but no one has been able to actually argue in economic terms that this is in fact true. And then there's still these pesky details such as the WTO TRIPs treaty, which requires a minimum duration of 17 years for all patents you grant.

      There are other ways of dealing with this besides chucking the whole system.
      We're not chucking anything, we're preventing the codification of the American system in Europe.
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  15. Protect? by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Patents don't "protect" novel ideas, they *prevent* ideas from being used for the benefit of society. They are evil and harmful, the only saving grace for patents is that secrecy may be even more harmful than a time limited patent.

    To defend software patents, you must find a software patent that has expired, is useful today, and is unlikely to have been invented independently during the patent period.

  16. Vote for Florian by Morosoph · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Voting for Florian will send a strong signal that software patents are not a popular legal innovation but are rightly seen as a threat to the free market and open capitalism.
    I agree that voting for Florian is a good thing. But how the signal will be read depends very much upon the beholder. Some, for example, will see it as a victory for democracy over the doctorine of property right.

    The more sophisticated amoung us see the issue of software patents as one of the artificial creation of monopolies and the unneccessary restriction of freedom, but from the pure propertarian perspective, this can look a lot like the slogan "property is theft". Lawyers know how complex a concept property is, but the average person, and it seems the average politician doesn't know this, and hear opposition as simple "rationalisation".

  17. Why we recommend the Spanish PM,not the Polish guy by FlorianMueller · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's true that the Polish government was extremely helpful. However, the Polish candidate for Statesman of the Year wasn't helpful at all. He's the president, but all of the help came from the executive government, which is headed by the prime minister (at the time that was Marek Belka), and mostly from deputy minister Wlodzimierz Marcinski. We discussed the voting recommendations with our Polish activists who are quite familiar with how the decisions were taken within the Polish government.

  18. Re:Looks like we might have a good chance by FlorianMueller · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Your observations are correct. U2 called on its fans to vote for Bono (on the official U2 homepage), and some U2 fan sites made a similar call, but in terms of Internet publicity, we beat the rest of the field by a wide margin. A very solid majority of all participants in that poll has been sent to that poll by our PR and online campaigning activities. Slashdot is of course the biggest of its kind, but the site previously went down due to some of our mailings to registered opponents of software patents as well as articles on heise.de, TheInquirer.net, TheRegister.co.uk etc.

    It's not just about whether we win, it's also how we win. We want to involve large parts of the community in this, and we hope to send a really strong message to Brussels (the de-facto capital of the EU). They should see our numerical strength and campaigning power once again. Unfortunately, the software patent issue hasn't been resolved for good in Europe, and it will resurface on the political agenda sooner or later. By winning this poll, we increase our chances of winning future battles. Publicity is an important way to influence politics.

  19. Slashdot Speaks and We Obey by samureiser · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's all be good little Asimov robots and obey the leader, er, Slashdot. I, for one, welcome our new moderator overlords...

  20. Thank you for your well-considered support! by FlorianMueller · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's great that you gave this some serious thought, because that's what our core group of anti-swpat activists did as well. Obviously, other candidates also stand for important causes. It's just that their stories are much more attractive to the general press than something as esoteric as software patents, and that's why we need this kind of publicity more than they do.

    As for Hirsi Ali's party, the VVD pushed for software patents like hardly any other political party in Europe. The whole directive project was started by Frits Bolkestein. On 1 July 2004, all of the Dutch parliament except for the VVD group supported a resolution that the Dutch government should retract its support to the EU Council's pro-patent proposal. And Toine Manders was a driving pro-patent force in the ALDE (Alliance of Liberals and Democrats in Europe) group in the Europan Parliament. It was only toward the end of the process that he was burned out and (probably because Philips also wanted this) introduced a motion for rejection of the entire bill. On the day before the vote, I met him in an elevator in the European Parliament and we actually had a friendly discussion because we all wanted to go for rejection of the proposal, but let's face it: He's an intellectual property lawyer by profession, and he didn't call for rejection because he was against software patents. He just realized that his camp couldn't get its way, and then they decided to abort the process, which was perfectly fine with me.

  21. Copyright vs. patents, and my position by FlorianMueller · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm kind of reluctant to reply to "Anonymous" because I don't know why someone would be afraid to voice an opinion like that in the free world. But someone else asked me to do so.

    It's true that I support Blizzard's position on bnetd. That doesn't mean that I'm "an outspoken proponent of the DMCA" (because the bnetd case is one very specific case), nor that I believe "that video game makers should be able to control the experience and where and how the game is used, through technical means backed by the force of law". Those are out-of-context statements and unreasonable interpretations of what I said in the bnetd context.

    It's a matter of fact that I'v ebeen living off intellectual-property rights, mostly copyright (and to some extent trademarks, but never patents), for 20 years. I started at age 15 as an author of articles for computer magazines, and a year later became a computer book author, and I wrote computer programs. I interrupted a game development project to fight against software patents, and after my book on the software patent story is out the door, I'll resume that project.

    The only way to succeed politically against software patents is to have a pro-author's rights position. That's the basis on which I was able to win some politicians over who weren't on our side before (especially on the right wing). An anti-IP fundamentalism is counterproductive. The net effect of taking a radical anti-IP position is that politicians don't even meet with you, parliamentary committees don't invite you to their hearings, and you can rant but you can't influence legislation. Look at the process concerning the Patent Reform Act in the US: Those who take too much of an anti-IP position aren't listened to. Politicians view this as a matter of economic policy for the most part, not a question of idealism.

    As for the bnetd case, I'm absolutely pro-interoperability when it comes to exchanging documents between different computer systems. Where I think one has to be careful about an interoperability privilege is any client-server setting. There are situations in which I believe it's legitimate for an author to reserve certain rights. Also, I can't see that it's reasonable to claim that interoperability is important between the client and the server component of a computer game, especially not when the primary effect of such interference is that a copyright-protection scheme is broken (and thereby a business model that is much more in the interest of consumers than those subscription models where you pay every month, or copy protection by dint of errors on a medium that are checked for). Also, I know that the Blizzard guys are gamers themselves. I worked with them as a consultant and representative from 1995 to 1998. You can find my name in the credits of WarCraft II and StarCraft (provided that you haven't installed Brood War, a project in which I was no longer involved).

    That's my position. If you find someone on the ballot who's not only anti-swpat but also anti-copyright, go and vote for him, but you won't find any because people with that attitude don't make much political headway. Please also read the endorsements that I received from RMS, Tim O'Reilly, Alan Cox, Rasmus Lerdorf and Monty Widenius. RMS and Tim O'Reilly discussed some of those copyright-related issues with me by email, and there are differences between their positions and mine that we're well aware of, but the endorsements relate to the fact that I'm running on a NoSoftwarePatents.com ticket, and that's the message that this is about. It's not about YesToCopyright or whatever else. I'm not going to be elected president and then have power to do lots of things. I was just nominated as a figurehead of the NoSoftwarePatents movement, so I hope I can count on your support.

  22. That would make U2 frontman Bono an astroturfer by FlorianMueller · · Score: 2, Informative

    U2 advertised this poll on the main page of its website last month, and so did various U2 fan sites. The publisher of the European Voice (the weekly newspaper that stands for the "EV" in "EV50") told me that there have been large-scale campaigns from the very first year of the EV50 awards (2001). It's perfectly legit, and we're going to win this thanks to the overwhelming support we've received from key people, large organzations, and major websites.

  23. Here's why I stepped down and why I came back by FlorianMueller · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's quite simple: I would have stayed in the fight on a continuous basis if I had seen enough of a support from medium-sized companies to this cause. I had communicated some requirements, and those were primarily about a war chest that I considered necessary in order to influence the political process. Except for MySQL, I didn't get much support for that more ambitious plan, and then I decided that if others thought their time and money was better spent on something else, I'd do it the same way.

    Claiming that I returned when we were on the winning track is the opposite of what happened. On June 20, the Legal Affairs Committee of the European Parliament voted on the software patent directive, and many essential amendments to the proposed bill (in order to exclude software from the scope of patentable subject matter) fell through. When the members of the committee voted at the end whether the parliament should accept or reject the bill (accepting meaning that it would still have gone back to the EU Council and possibly to conciliation), 16 voted for and only 10 against the proposal.

    In that precarious situation, a group of companies actually did provide the kind of support that I became involved again for the last two weeks before the plenary vote. Like in almost all parliaments, it's the plenary that takes the actual decision, and the committee sort of prepares the plenary vote (in some parliaments, if the committee decides in a certain way, it's practically a done deal because people in the plenary just take the official party position, but in the European Parliament, the plenary may still decide differently).

    I didn't position myself as the leader of our movement in the European Parliament at that stage. I took some initiatives and met various politicians and aides, and the FFII was really in charge.

    Someone is not a "glory hog" because several independent juries nominate him for certain awards and honors. There's some information on those awards and honors toward the bottom of my backgrounder page on the NoSoftwarePatents.com site, and especially about how I personally view those nominations. I also explained that at great length in an email that the FFII sent out to all of its registered supporters.