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Sony DRM Installs a Rootkit?

An anonymous read writes "SysInternals.com guru Mark Russinovich has a detailed investigation of a rootkit from Sony Music. It's installed with a DRM-encumbered music CD, Van Zant's "Get Right with the Man". (Mmmm, delicious irony!) The rootkit introduces several security holes into the system that could be exploited by others, such as hiding any executable file that starts with '$sys$'. Russinovich also identifies several programming bugs in the method it uses to hook system calls, and chronicles the painful steps he had to take to 'exorcise the daemon' from his system." This house is clear.

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  1. My question: by conJunk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now is that *sony's* rootkit, or a soon-to-be-former-sony-employer's rootkit?

    1. Re:My question: by ryanr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you read the article, there's a strong implication that this is a purchased commercial rootkit. Presumably, Sony very deliberately licensed and distributed it.

      Mark didn't get into a lot of detail about all of the functions, but he didn't mention any backdoors or phone home functionality.

    2. Re:My question: by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Honestly, I see this as a real exposure to a lawsuit. If I accidently install this rootkit on my system, then try to remove it (seeing as it looks like a genuine security breach) and then disable my computer, thus having to bring it in for service what then?. If a malware company uses the rootkits ability to hide $sys$ prefixed files and uses that to steal my identity, costing me thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of time to get my identity back, can I sue?

      -nB

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    3. Re:My question: by DoraLives · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Actually this is a major limited access high speed expressway to seriously fuck with Sony.

      It'll go like this: Somebody out there with an axe to grind against Sony is going to lift this code intact, with no modifications, and marry it with a worm that goes around and infects peoples machines with some nasty or other that executes with a file that has a name beginning with $sys$ and cause some real trouble with it.

      Net result, the infected folks are going to have a SERIOUS beef with Sony over the fact that the "invisible" file was able to install itself and run its merry course completely under the radar. All because of a piece of shit attempt by a fucked up Giant Corporation that was attempting to further line its pockets by installing some ... shall we say, hmm, unsavory code?

      Ok script kiddies, you have your assignment. Now get to work!

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  2. and now with no liability by jeremy111 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And let me guess, it offers you an EULA and exempts Sony from any liability for damages caused by this thing?

    1. Re:and now with no liability by CommiePuddin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Congratulations, you just quoted the most useless part of every EULA ever.

      You can't sign away your right to sue. Ever.

      At least not in my state.

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  3. RootKits coming out in bundles? by cwtrex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm downloading RootkitRevealer now. I wonder how long it is going to take for Norton and McAfee to upgrade their Rootkit detection abilities? Next years anti-virus release? The last rootkit that Norton found on a computer at work was well spread and had been out for 6 months. It still was unable to remove/fix the infection. :(

    1. Re:RootKits coming out in bundles? by Flower · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This was semmingly bought by Sony from a 3rd party to protect their DRM scheme. My bet is no AV company is going to try and detect it or remove it as it is a "legitimate program." What's funny (well sick funny but still funny) is I could see First4Internet trying to sue anyone for labeling their software as malware and then trying to remove it. Not like that isn't the first time that's happened.

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  4. OS's fault by aachrisg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsfot needs to make it completely impossible for any software to do something like this unless the user runs in some special maintenance mode or logs in as some special account. They can make an exception for windows updates which are signed by them.

  5. Thanks by BCW2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am very glad to hear about this. That CD WAS on my birthday list for next week.

    Sony just lost a sale, end of story.

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  6. Class Action Lawsuit? by eyebits · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sounds like an opportunity for a class action lawsuit. Everyone who played the CD on their windows system would be eligible. ...good opportunity for a group of lawyers to get rich. (The members of the action never do.)

  7. Re:Anti-spyware Bill by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's where the "reasonably notified" comes in. The courts haven't been too happy about EULAs as they are. If you try to slide things past the consumer, the courts will find that the contract was misrepresented and hold the company accountable.

  8. What if you refuse the EULA? by BeBoxer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know you can disable auto-run and such to get around this type of crap. But what happens if you just 'disagree' or whatever on the EULA? I assume that Sony will then not install the rootkit and you can rip the CD with whatever tool you normally use? Or does Sony install the rootkit anyway, setting themselves up for criminal prosecution? Does anybody have a copy of this thing to try and answer that question?

    It just seems kind of silly to have DRM which is totally dependant on the user to request it be installed. Or can refusing an EULA be considered a violation of the DMCA?

  9. Re:In democratic america... by caluml · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or as Osama says: "I'm free - what about you?"

  10. Here is what a kid had to say... by cyclocommuter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...after he tried to rip another Sony produced CD "Healthy in Paranoid Times" by the Our Lady Peace:

    Disappointing, to say the least..., October 14, 2005

    A Kid's Review (Amazon.com)

    I tried copying this CD, not knowing that it was protected. So, I ripped it to my hard-drive and burned it. But, when I inserted the burned copy into my computer, the screen froze for a while, and an installer icon appeared on the taskbar in the bottom right. It installed somthing - and now I cannot burn anything, with any program. I've even tried using a different, external CD burner. A disk error comes up during burning, even if I am not not burning audio CDs. This was not a fluke. I've talked to other people this has happened to. Avoid anything with "copy protection." Sony might as well burn viruses onto the CDs they distribute.

    1. Re:Here is what a kid had to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Has this review been censored?

      I cannot find it.

  11. It's immoral to buy RIAA music by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used to buy a lot of CDs but stopped around the time of the napster lawsuit. I would probably still be buying 2-3 discs/month if I didn't consider it immoral to buy CDs.

  12. Van Zant by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has "Van Zant" or their agent made any comment on how they feel about what Sony is doing to their audience in their names? (Would they even understand what Sony has done?)

  13. Re:Anti-spyware Bill by Cromac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be interesting to see if the CDs sold in Washington are different than those sold in other states. If they are and don't contain the rootkit in Wa that would seem to show a deliberate intent to distribute it to states that don't have such laws.

  14. Sony is protected by the DMCA by dmoen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I see this as a real exposure to a lawsuit. If I accidently install this rootkit on my system, then try to remove it...

    If you do this, then you are deliberately disabling a copy protection system, which is illegal under the DMCA. So Sony can sue you.

    [Note: this varies with your jurisdiction. No DMCA in Canada, yet.]

    Doug Moen.

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    1. Re:Sony is protected by the DMCA by indigoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      indeed. for the purpose of deciding who is running something, is autorun.inf "us" or "them" ?

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    2. Re:Sony is protected by the DMCA by mrBoB · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unfortunately, this is only something that could be dealt with at a trial. Whose rights are more valuable, the content provider, or the paying customer? A person has a reasonable expectation of privacy and security on his or her home computer. Any attempt to circumvent this privacy or security should be construed as trespass. On the flipside, recording artists and the companies that represent them have an expectation that their work is compensated, and that "legal" means to protect their interests be respected. I'm not arguing for the DMCA here, however it _IS_ law. By removing the Sony-installed malware, Mark has broken the law. But so is trespass illegal, so tell me, which is a greater abomination?

            I'd vote for trespass, but I also don't have any content to sell. Mark, how's the adminpak selling? I hope you've got some good DRM on your CD's if you're any indication of the talent that's out there...

    3. Re:Sony is protected by the DMCA by stonedonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even the most ardent proponent of EULAs couldn't make the claim that you give such permissions by default. Unless they specifically ask, they don't have permission to do anything that isn't specifically part of the product as a reasonable person would perceive it to be.

      And the EULA doesn't mention this rootkit or anything like it, from what I've read. In my opinion, I have the right to create a secure environment for my data, and the rootkit subverts that. Since the EULA doesn't mention it, I'm free to remove unauthorized the unauthorized code.

      Bad Sony! No biscuit!

    4. Re:Sony is protected by the DMCA by zcat_NZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Note that Sony don't tell you how to get a GOOD mp3 copy (rip the CDDA tracks using cdex)

      They tell you to burn a CD in media player which I expect would taken from the protected WMA files, then use media player to convert it to MP3 which introduces even more quality loss. Not to mention that Windows Media's MP3 encoder is really, really shitty (Intentionally so, because they want to make WMA look good in comparison)

      The only reason Sony published this advice is the hope that people will find their advice first, and are less likely to stumble on _better_ advice such as using cdex..

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    5. Re:Sony is protected by the DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I recently bought Idlewild's latest disc. It's not Sony, but EMI. When I pop the CD into my computer, it asks me if I want to install DRM technology on my computer. So technically, I am specifically telling the disc manufacturer that they can run an executable. Sony's discs probably work the same.

      In order to get the tracks into MP3 without installing the DRM, the latest Windows Media Bloat Center, burning to a blank CD and ripping... I just listened to the CD through its Flash media player and did a little man-in-the-middle recording. I can probably be sued for this. However, EMI has explicily given me directions on circumventing the DRM by means of the CD burning technique, so I feel they are giving me license to break the DRM however I see fit at this juncture.

      *sigh* I can't wait to tell my kids someday how easy it used to be to listen to music.

    6. Re:Sony is protected by the DMCA by Bastian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not convinced that removing the rootkit from your computer would be a violation of the DMCA. However, I only read it once, and that was several years ago, and the damn thing is longer and more tangential than a Tolkien book, so I'm not about to go supporting my claims.

      The basis of my argument would be that, if you are just taking the rootkit off, it wouldn't be a circumvention of the copy protection, because the rootkit would be reinstalled as soon as the CD is inserted again. Of course, this means that you couldn't remove the rootkit and then someohow prevent it being installed again - you'd have to get rid of the CD.

      I think the much hairier question is, is putting one of these Sony DRM-encumbered CDs in a Macintosh a violation of the DMCA?

    7. Re:Sony is protected by the DMCA by coats · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'll wager you a Coke against a Pepsi that Mark Russinovich's computer was password-protected. Sony deliberately and surreptitiously evaded that password protection to invade and change settings on Mark's computer. Tell me why he should not sue SONY for DMCA violation!

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    8. Re:Sony is protected by the DMCA by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is no Fair Use defence to cricumvention crime. So what that section really says is that a NONEXISTANT defence is not affected. It sure sounded nice though, didn't it?

      In short, what it says is that you can be found guilty of circumvention and not guilty of copyright infringement. It's the paragraph which gives the safe (DRM) far more protection than the contents (copyrighted work). The crime is no longer "copying the contents" it's "breaking into the safe". Here you also see that fair use is not a right - it's an affirmative defense. Technically fair use isn't dead, it still allows for news commentary and other non-copying fair uses. But they gutted 99% of it.

      Kjella

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  15. Don't just boycott Sony Music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Boycott their stereo's, TV's, PS-Whatever, and their movies.

  16. Britain's Computer Misuse Act... by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...could probably be used in this way, for this software. The program was unquestionably not authorized by the user, as it is not declared in the EULA. As there is no apparent (yet) "Phone Home" capability, it would not violate the Data Protection Act. It might violate tresspass/break-and-entry laws, as the only reason the hacker of Prince Philip's e-mail account escaped conviction was that a transient tool was not considered a lockpick. This is a permanent tool that permits repeated intrusion, so I would guess the courts would be more sympathetic to the argument that it was breaking and entering. IANAL, but most people in computing in Britain have covered the DPA and CMA to some degree, because these are things IT people need to be careful of. It is possible - though unlikely - that the EU could also prosecute Sony over this, as it may infringe on privacy and computer protection laws in Europe. It's very doubtful the EU would take such action - they barely took any action against Microsoft for anything it did - but if Sony or other companies agravate the situation enough, there ARE elections in Italy coming up and the ruling elite there could do with someone to victimize.


    America - well, there's no privacy in the US of A. The trade in personal information is open and widespread. There is an excellent chance that if anyone tried to prosecute Sony over privacy infringements that it would be laughed out of court. You can't protect what you don't have. Posession is 9/10ths of the law, and Americans posess very little - much as they often like to believe otherwise.


    Sony actually has a much stronger case. Reverse-engineering their DRM scheme is in direct violation of both the letter AND the spirit of the DMCA, which is explicitly intended to prohibit exactly this kind of research (ie: the study of the spyware) and this kind of result (ie: the removal of it, afterwards). Depending on who Sony licensed the rootkit from, there is a possibility it might also violate aspects of the PATRIOT act. (If the rootkit is also used by any law enforcement groups, then this study could compromise wiretapping provisions in the act.)

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  17. If it's a commercial rootkit by doodlelogic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    do they do a mac or linux version?

  18. Here they are! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    http://www.first4internet.co.uk/

    Google Groups thread with Ceri from first4internet.co.uk looking for help to write his fucked-up CD drivers...
    http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:hDmbqX5yahgJ:w ww.osronline.com/showThread.cfm/

    What's depressing is that Sony undoubtedly paid them a good deal of money to write this shit.

  19. Windows Vista is a start towards this by Solr_Flare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know the full details as I'm not beta testing Vista, but I do know that Vista has some protections like this in it. This is in large part why MS talks about Vista being much more "secure" than past windows releases. A good example of this is is device drivers. As started in this article(a Q&A with the head of ATI's driver team):

    http://hardwarefanatics.com/modules.php?name=News& file=article&sid=6

    "Vista requires a brand new driver model. It is actually called WDDM (Windows Vista Device Driver Model). Whereas before, device drivers were something called kernel mode based, they are now user mode based. This means that drivers do not directly talk to the operating system and have the ability to crash it. The end result will be greatly improved stability for devices on Vista. The amount of work to support the new driver model is tremendous. It is basically a re-write of the entire driver. However, we are very much ahead of the game, and feel good that we will have the best Vista support when it is actually released (and even sooner with our beta drops)."

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  20. Re:Didn't Notice? by corblix · · Score: 2, Interesting
    followed by a picture of the amazon web page in question with [CONTENT/COPY-PROTECTED CD] clearly visible in massive letters.

    Well ... there is "clear", and then there is "clear". The page shown is extraordinarily "busy". At the top it has four tabs with nine subtabs, five account management maybe-tabs, a drop-down menu, two separate search boxes, two "Go" buttons and an "Advanced Search" button ... and that's just the top of the page.

    Meanwhile, over at the right is a big yellow button in a big blue box, and in the middle of the page is the cover image.

    Do you read all the text on every web page you visit? (Hint: you don't.) I certainly don't. When I buy a product, I consider: Is this the product I want, how much will I have to pay, and how long will it take to arrive.

    The real lesson we learn here is not that the author of the article was unobservant. On the contrary, he was just as observant as anyone could be expected to be. No, the real lesson is that we all need to make a mental note: When paying for music, check its DRM status. I appreciate Amazon making such info available in nice big letters in an easy to see location. However, that alone does not mean I will read it.

  21. Re:This has gone too far! by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Lets organize and make a difference.


    OK, let's. I assume that this is a call to join a foundation, organization, or movement. What have you decided to call this organization? What's the mission statement? What are the goals of the organization? Meeting times? Rallies?

    Yep, I just might be interested. Really.

    If you're serious, that is - but I don't think you are. See, if you were, you'd have to stretch yourself outside of your current "comfort zone", which currently includes your computer, and quite possibly your mother's basement, but not much else.

    But, if you WERE serious, and you REALLY DID put out enough effort to register a domain name, make a website, put together some business cards, talk to REAL LIVE PEOPLE (instead of your laptop) at real, live events, you'd find out very quickly what real, live people think. You'd grow immensely, as a result. Your skills at working with people, and your earning power would be forever improved, and your understanding of your true role in society would be much, much firmer.

    You would forever be a bigger, better person.

    I dare you to put together an organization of at least 100 members towards your cause. In order to be a "member", they have to have contributed at least $10 in CASH towards your cause's war chest. (And, I know you can do it, because I did)

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  22. Required removal? by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the EULA:
    Upon the expiration or termination of this EULA, you shall immediately remove all of the LICENSED MATERIALS from your personal computer system and delete or destroy them, along with any related documentation (and any copies thereof) that you may have received or otherwise may possess.
    So now Sony has you in the unenviable position of not being able to uninstall the software that you agreed already to uninstall.....
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  23. Re:Wouldn't happen if you dont run MainstreamOS. by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Want to stop this nonsense from happening in the future? Actually run a non-mainstream OS. That shouldn't be hard for most of the visitors of this website, shouldn't it?

    Indeed. I've actually been a little disappointed with the DRM on CDs. When I put them in my Linux boxes they just play. I can rip to MP3 until the cows come home. No problem.

    I actually wanted one to fail so I could see how it was failing and maybe do something about it. Contribute something to the community, ya know.

    ...laura, not a U.S. resident, not covered by the DMCA

  24. Re:What is it exactly? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There is no way to audit the code for security, it is probably illegal under the DMCA to disassemble and fully analyze DRM code in sufficient detail for a full code audit
    You really ought to actually read the DMCA some time. There is a specific exemption for this sort of thing.
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  25. iTunes Australia and Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sony still hasn't agreed to come on board with iTunes, which I find damn annoying. Everytime I search for an artist and don't find them (considering they're a big artist), I go and search for that artists publisher.. and what do ya know, always sony.

    I'm really starting to hate that company. This BS "DRM" is just the icing on the cake. Sure, iTunes has DRM, but it's quite benign (5 computers, unlimited ipods, unlimited burns per song, 7 burns per album).

    They're too big, and have their hands in too many pots. Time for Sony artists to take a stand and go with somebody else (quite difficult, considering the ass-raping contracts they probably had to sign). Essentially, Sony are denying their artists a source of income to satisfy the needs of their consumer electronics department. I'd be pissed.

  26. Re:Anti-spyware Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In my country (Italy) there's a bill which, since its initial writing, estabilishes a very foundamental notion.
    For your reference, it's bill 547-93 (n 547 dated 23 december 1993).
    With its articles n 615ter/quater/quinquies, it estabilishes the concept that your computer is your "informatic domicile", in toto equal to the civic domicile (your home).
    In that way, you can easily understand that a domicile violation is just a crime.

    Summarizing, it also defines the violations to "a system protected with adeguate security measures", and their prosecution.

    Under many other aspects, this bill is still old and modifiable, but clearly it has some very good points (like the above).

    I also think it would be silly to emanate bills which say "do not install this if user doesn't want" and such.
    Always remembers there's lots of lusers around here who just doesn't have any tech knowledge of what runs in their own computer.
    Just define which is property and what can be done with it, and you're done.

  27. the big guys take punches like candy... by DigitalEntropy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... the little guys are more likely to crumble. Why not target the source of this crap? I did. Though, admittedly I'm sure SONY keeps their wallets fat enough to ignore us. See below:

    ===

    Mail-To: info@xcp-aurora.com, info@first4internet.co.uk

    Subject: attn: Mathew, Tony, Peter, Nick; re: Extreme displeasure with your XCP product.

    To Whom it may concern:

    I would like to address the outstanding issue regarding the software your company licensed to SONY BMG here in the United States. This software proposes to be a harmless DRM solution for the corporate customer as a method of protection against malicious users. However, what your software critically FAILS at is conscientiously protecting the end user against exploits of your poorly, shit-house written utilities.
    Personally, I'm glad that your nasty parlour tricks were recently exposed by SysInternals.com (http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-roo tkits-and-digital-rights.html) for the disreputable practices they are, and for identifying "First 4 Internet" (sounds like a shoddy store-front operation for a bunch of Black Hat rejects) as the company directly responsible for the most vile intrusion my system has ever received. And the fact that your ill-conceived product leaves my system open to additional intrusions of this nature is unforgivable.
    May whatever sink-hole from whence you rose quickly swallow you back. You have no right to voilate my computer's integrity. You have no right to scan the contents of my computer. You may have the right to hide in the darkness of Windows' subsystem like cowards, but that does not mean you won't be seen. You have no right to abuse the trust garnered by SONY from the citizens it regularly calls customers (or, perhaps more appropriately, "guinea pigs"). I hope the light of truth sends you roaches scurrying.

    With the wretched taste of bile at the back of my throat,

    [my name]
    [my email addy]

    ===

    Personally, I purchased "The Dead 60s" latest album, and sure enough it had the exact same copy-protection crap as described on sysinternals.com. That article sure shed some light on the behavioral difference in my system since I got that CD (significantly slower start up and execution times on a 1.2 GHz, and constant 5 - 10% CPU usage with almost nothing running). Fuck them. Fuck them right in the ear.

    It was stated before, and I'll reinforce it: This kind of DRM ADVOCATES piracy. You are safer without DRM. I intend to zap my Windows machine and go to Debian (as I've been considering, but now have good reason for security purposes), and return this CD by mail to SONY BMG in a thousand tiny pieces, but not before I copy it and distribute out of sheer spite.

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  28. Sony is flirting with trouble... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They don't put it there. You do. They just packaged it for you. If you didn't want to give them permission to run arbitrary executables on your computer, then WHY DID YOU RUN THEIR EXECUTABLE??

    IANAL, however, I believe that contracts that are made in bad faith, or with the intent to decieve a particpant are not binding. If this is the case, I think that I wouldn't be hard to argue in a court that you have no obligation to keep Sony's rootkit (by deffinition an illicit and deceptive tool) on your computer. Moreover, you might also be entitled to damages resulting from said 'bad faith' agreement.

    Even if my assessment isn't quite correct, it seems to me that it is probably fuzzy enough of a point to invite litigation. If I were a multimillion(billion?) dollar company I wouldn't be the one to test the legal water on something like this.

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  29. You just helped with my PSP/PS3 decision by Bodhammer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sony, you have gone too far...

    No PSP for Christmas!

    No PS3 next year!

    So you protected a $15 CD by killing ~$700 of hardware purchases plus whatever games I would have purchased.

    No wonder your stock sucks and your revenues are down!

    Your DRM works, I'm exercising my right not to purchase your products any more!

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  30. this is illegal under Minnesota law by swschrad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it's a 5/$5000 penalty, class C felony, to knowingly distribute harmful software to a PC in Minnesota. 1992 law, I believe it was. demonstrating this is a rootkit is prima facie evidence that this would be harmful software.

    somebody with means should get a case opened....

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    1. Re:this is illegal under Minnesota law by Reziac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If it's a felony, file charges with your local district attorney, and let the DA's office take it from there (you may be called as a witness, but you don't have to defend yourself or hire a lawyer, tho doing so might not hurt). Criminal prosecutions aren't like a civil suits, where you have to finance the operation yourself. In criminal cases, your tax dollars have already funded it, and the other guy is on the defensive by default.

      Interesting thought: what if, propelled by enough such prosecutions, DRM alone became grounds for "reasonable suspicion of criminal activity"??

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  31. Damn, I thought I was first by muzzy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought I was ahead of time, when I implemented a rootkit DRM just a few days ago. My rootkit is a part of my project, trying to show how malware and DRM systems can get really close to each others, and both get protected by law. Under EU Copyright Directive, it's going to be illegal to remove this rootkit.

    You can read about my copyright projects here:
    http://muzzy.net/files/copyright_projects_en.txt

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  32. Re:*phew* by owlstead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is funny? I've got 4 official DVD's that won't run on my player, and 3 or 4 CD's that don't play in my computer. If *they* are not going to play fair with me, I sure as hell will return the favour. I bought an offical DVD, and all I got was a cheap skate menu and 10 minutes worth of adverts and warnings. Bleh.

  33. Not on my portion of the Internet by xixax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And just how is such a device going to reach the Internet?

    iptables -A INPUT --mac-source XX:XX:XX:XX:XX: -j DROP

    And they can hardly send in the storm troopers based on this sort of evidence, "Midunno, the house got hit by lightning, maybe that screwed it up? I can't show you the device, it was broken so I threw it out".

    That would also make for a nasty payload for a Windows virus. Not only does your DVD player get turned into a paperweight, the victim might also get raided by the DRM police.

    Xix.

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    1. Re:Not on my portion of the Internet by xtracto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just a little thought.

      I am sure that "call home" approach of the Blue Ray players will not be a problem.

      I remember wonce I downloaded a crack for a program which protection mechanism consisted in a key validation. To validate the key the program sent it to the company servers.

      I thought the crack was really awesome as it simulated the actual company server and you only had to tell the program you where using a "proxy" to connect to internet and point it to 127.0.0.1:XXXX. While running the crack program.

      When the program tried to connect to the server to validate your key, the crack program responded saying the key was valid.

      Once I did some cracks for some programs (just for education), never released anything. But I learned the different "levels" of cracks, being this crack one of the finest and cleanest one.

      I am sure, after the Blu-Disk or HD-DVD PC drives come into the market, those kind of hacks will become available. It is just a mather of time.

      If you think that encryption could stop this approach I am sure not, it is just a matter of "brute forcing" the keys in the messages that go through the localhost connection.

      Neat uh?

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  34. The feedback I sent to Sony by keraneuology · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dear Sony Regarding the rootkit you are attempting to install on the computers of customers who purchase Van Zant's "Get Right with the Man": my relationship with you is over. I will never again purchase -any- CD from Sony Music. Period. Your intentional introduction of security holes and your undisclosed modification of the operating system is simply unacceptable and uncalled for. Your application of excessive, intrusive and unreasonable DRM has ensured that I will -never- purchase any work with the Sony logo. The number of pirated copies this prevents me from downloading or sharing? Zero - I don't pirate. I don't give people copies of my music. The number of future dollars your DRM (which is sure to be broken within weeks anyway) has cost your company? Beyond calculation: my life expectancy has me sticking around - NOT buying Sony music, by the way - for decades to come. Was this worth the trade? If you want my business then I demand nothing short of full public disclosure, an appology, and the very public firing of the executive who gave the green light to this horrible, horrible concept. Please note that I intend to share this letter with others. With luck they too will refuse to purchase Sony music in the future.

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  35. Re:Exactly... by mikiN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anything which uses technical means of copy protection is not a CD.

    Not true. There is exactly one type of copy protection allowed by the Red Book standard (in fact all implementations have to adhere to its technical specification, whether they enforce it or not), and it is a variant of SCMS.

    Basically, SCMS defines whether a source is copy-restricted or not, as well as whether it is an original or a copy. The idea is that anyone can make at most one copy of a copy-restricted original, but not a copy of a copy-restricted copy. See also here.

    A distinction was made between consumer-grade (stand-alone) CD copiers (which should always obey SCMS) and professional CD-writers (which were not required to obey SCMS). Strangely, CD-writers attached to computers were treated the same way as professional units (presumably to allow users to copy-restrict their own work).

    This strange treatment of computer-attached CD-recorders, combined with most recording software ignoring SCMS altogether in case of direct CD-to-CD copying seems to me the root cause of the current problems with non-conforming copy-protected CD's.

    It is an interesting question whether either or both parties are violating the DMCA. I think that either CD-reader/CD-recorder manufacturers should have disallowed ripping of audio-CD's altogether, or they should have output a DRM-ed data format which can only be written to audio-CD's again by software compliant with SCMS.

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  36. Microsoft's reaction to this? by alouts · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Isn't this something that Microsoft should have issues with? Sony isn't just installing its own software, they're overwriting part of the operating system, and in a sloppy manner such that it will prevent Microsoft from releasing patches to those drivers/services...

    Although I'm sure they'd be noncommital in their official response, I'd love to hear what they think internally about this kind of thing. If "security" really is their #1 corporate focus as they've been so eager to tell us, this should have them screaming at the top of their lungs.

    The chances of us slackers motivating our corporate-owned legislators to smack Sony is comically low, but if we could get a second big player in there on our behalf, there's a real chance to get this awful idea blackholed like it should be.

    Anyone have any high-up connections within the Empire?

  37. Why does the OP gloss over Windows? by Burz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't like seeing these summaries and being left to think that my OS X and Linux systems could be compromised, then having to scour the linked article just to be sure.

    This is becoming a common occurance on Slashdot: Articles about viruses and other Windows exploits are posted with no hint as to their platform-specific nature. "Systems" are attacked. Is it so difficult to write "Windows systems"?? And then of course, when vulnerabilities of non-MS stuff like Linux are reported, the platform in question is Big News. So on top of vagueness WRT Windows, I get bias. Its like reading the front page of ZDnet.

    Please just mention the friggin platform, thank you.

  38. Re:Didn't Notice? by jsebrech · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree that it's easy enough to find out whether a CD is copy-protected or not most of the time. By paying attention to it I've already been able to avoid buying several copy-protected CD's.

    In my experience most artists don't even know their CD is copy-protected. Like Charlotte Martin's CD On Your Shore. BMG put copy-protection on there without informing her. When she found out, she made them remove it from the second print. Had she known beforehand, it would have never gotten on there. She was pissed about it. Just informing the artist of your displeasure about the DRM can go a long way.

  39. just to play devil's advocate here for a sec... by smash · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Whilst I don't like what sony has done here in the slightest, those calling for them to be sued, etc are missing a cruicial (IMHO) piece of information.

    I am under *NO DOUBT* whatsoever that Sony will simply point the finger at first4internet, and simply say "We simply contracted them to provide a content protection scheme - we are unaware of the implementation" (or words to that effect). Given that the tech has been sold to several other record companies, I'm pretty sure that's close to the mark as to what actually happened, too.

    So, it's first4internet who will take the heat in a criminal case, not Sony, no doubt.

    Sony is evil and all, but I don't think it was Sony who was responsible for the way it works...

    smash.

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  40. Re:This has gone too far! by loraksus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This might be a slightly odd response, but I think part of the reason is that in a situation such as a computer crime, there really isn't any possibility of the victim going apeshit (or doing something in retaliation) on the perpetrator if caught.
    During sentencing (and really, during the entire judicial process - the police probably won't respond in the first place if you call 911 and say "those darn kids are crossing my lawn", even if they do, the prosecutor probably won't try them for tresspassing) maybe the actual crime itself is irrelevant, but what is taken into consideration is how the crime is perceived by the majority of people and what the majority believes is appropriate punishment.
    Right now, most people feel that rootkits, malware, etc aren't really an issue - be it lack of education or whatever. If that changed (perhaps this could be spun as a "corporate espionage which aids terrorists" type of thing ;), I think viewpoints would change and the punishments would get harsher and maybe someone in the justice system would actually take the issue seriously.

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  41. Added value? by winchester · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once again, we see a total lack of understanding on the side of content creators. Instead of providing us with added value, the provide us with hard to remove malware that will cost us, honest customers who bought an actual cd, cpu and memory resources, not to mention possible back doors into our home computers.

    In a world where a computer more and more becomes a tool for content creation and is used more and more as a media hub, unfortunately most of the time based on an operating system known for its insecure architecture, this is a very worrying trend.

    We see the same thing happening with content creation software. Dongles, challenge-response systems, it is made harder and harder for legitimate users to use the software, while the odd cracker is very capable of evading whatever copy protection or DRM scheme might exist in the software.

    Now I am a firm believer that it is quite okay to pay for quality. I am also a firm believer that I should (and I do) pay for the software I use for my content creation (photoshop for my digital darkroom needs, pro tools for my music making needs). But why the hell should I, as a legitimate customer, pay for insane copy protection mechanisms? They do not add value for me, instead they take value away, in terms of storage, CPU cycles and memory.