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British Teen Cleared in "E-mail Bomb" Case

legaleagll writes "According to this article , a British Judge has ruled that a teen who sent approximately 5,000,000 e-mails to his former employer was not in violation of the U.K.'s Computer Misuse Act. It appears that the Computer Misuse Act is a bit outdated being that it was created 15 years ago when a number, perhaps most, of the current methods for misuse of computers were not contemplated."

155 comments

  1. 'editors' heh by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Informative

    Summary says 3 million, the article clearly, even hyperlinked so it's highlighted, says 5 million.

    1. Re:'editors' heh by destuxor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just as the rape victim shouldn't've worn a short skirt, the employer should've had a faster mailserver damnit!

    2. Re:'editors' heh by austinpoet · · Score: 5, Funny

      The editors converted it from British Emails into American e-mails. Thus 5 million becomes 3 million.

      Oh wait that's still backwards. *shakes fist* damn editors!

    3. Re:'editors' heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      More importantly, this is a story about an assclown who flooded an e-mail server and got away with his abusive behavior on a technicality in British law... one which will surely be corrected soon.

      How the fuck does this have anything to do with "my rights online?"

      Unless you think I have an inalienable right to be an assclown, in which case, HAND.

    4. Re:'editors' heh by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      maybe it's counting upwards like the gmail capacity, he's still sending spam as we speak!

    5. Re:'editors' heh by pe1chl · · Score: 2, Funny

      No no no... the summary says 3,000,000 and the article says "5 million".

      We all know that "5 million" equals "3,000,000".
      If they meant "5,000,000" they would have written "5 mebimillion".

    6. Re:'editors' heh by Taladar · · Score: 1

      I would argue that it is "your right online" not to be flooded by millions of emails from the same person if you run an email server.

    7. Re:'editors' heh by Tim+C · · Score: 3, Informative

      I thought it had been established long ago that the slashdot editors don't edit as such, they just approve and reject stories. No checking for factual accuracy, grammar, spelling, or any other things real editors would do is performed - it's even in the FAQ.

      That said, that was fine when this was a hobbyist site; it's somewhat irksome now that it's a commercial venture. Not that I pay anything for it, other than the time spent frequenting and contributing of course...

    8. Re:'editors' heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which translates to something like 374 million japanese emails... so if this article ever is put on http://slashdot.jp/ get ready to see that number!

    9. Re:'editors' heh by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      How the fuck does this have anything to do with "my rights online?"

      It shows you have no right (in the UK) not to be mail bombed.

    10. Re:'editors' heh by roguebfl · · Score: 1
      Some AC wrote:
      How the fuck does this have anything to do with "my rights online?"


      Umm in that your [Britsh] computer safty rights are not being properly protected. it not that the twerps rights at issue, but the victum's rights, just becuase he "the man" don't mean his right's don't matter.
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    11. Re:'editors' heh by KingVance · · Score: 1

      Who gives a crap if the grammar is a bit off?

      Did you get the gist of the story? Was their message conveyed?

      Who cares if it was 3mil or 5mil...3mil or 5mil = fuckton

      I work at a newspaper and I swear, some of the readers sit around reading stuff not to get the message but just to find something to complain about. The same holds true here, I just thought it was the habits of old farts with nothing better to do but I have been put in my place.

      Some of you guys seriously need something else to do.

      Now, mod me down.

  2. e-mail bomb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a nerd. "If my electronic mail-bombe doesn't inconvenience my former employer, then my name isn't Melvin Q. Ucklesworth!"

    This is most likely what he said while rubbing his peach-fuzz moustache (nothing to twirl evilly quite yet.)

    1. Re:e-mail bomb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All my friends who know nothing about computers have at least unkempt looking peachfuzz (makes them look like bums, hehe) but I and the other computer geeks have none. And we don't shave. I should examine my CRT. And maybe send 5 million emails to the people who look like bums.

  3. Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by Palal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How do we strike a balance between a piece of legislation that covers any crime that may not have been thought up yet, without prohibiting activities that are not necesserily criminal that will be invented in the future? This is something that no country has come up with yet and this is unlikely to happen any time soon due to various governments in power. (cough)

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    1. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by grogdamighty · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The obvious answer is that legislation should be for there here and now, updated as necessary for changes in society. Rather, any "enduring" legal work should be through the constitution - the basic rights fleshed out by legislation.

      Thus, the Second Amendment allows citizens to bear arms so that they are never helpless before the government, but more current legislation is designed to keep criminals from using guns to harm citizens (no concealed weapons in certain locales, background checks, etc.)

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    2. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crap company and crap boss.
      They got what they had comming.
      It needs to happen more not less.
      walmart ne1

    3. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by nunchux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't like the idea of laws that foresee possible misuses of technology in the future, because by their nature they would have to be so vague that they would almost certainly have an adverse affect on freedom. Of course the DMCA is an example of this.

      Really, it should be extremely difficult to pass a new law, and it should be clear that there is a solid need for it. Yes, that means the first people who commit crimes using new technology in new ways may not be prosecuted (note that I'm not talking about using new technology to commit EXISTING crimes), but that's better than the alternative. (And I wouldn't say in this case the kid got away scot free-- he was prosecuted, which at the very least is a scary thing, and potentially costly in legal bills as well.)

      Oh and yeah, that kind of sucks for the victim, but in some cases (like this) the matter could at least be taken to civil trial.

    4. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How do we strike a balance between a piece of legislation that covers any crime that may not have been thought up yet, without prohibiting activities that are not necesserily criminal that will be invented in the future?
      What if we give people the responsibility and power to evaluate a given situation as it applies to a certain law? I think we should call them "judges"...
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    5. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do we strike a balance between a piece of legislation that covers any crime that may not have been thought up yet, without prohibiting activities that are not necesserily criminal that will be invented in the future?

      Anything that's prohibited by criminal law IS necessarily a criminal act. That's what it means for something to be criminal.

    6. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by squoozer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Simple you provide a set of guidelines, perhaps backed up by examples, that define misuse. For instance phrase it thus:

      Any action that deliberately sets out to damage, render unavailable or diminish in capability any computer system.

      It would be quite easy to prove that sending 3,000,000 emails to your ex-employer, especially in a short span of time, would fall foul of that law. Yes, you have to prove intent but you would have to do that anyway. Accidents wouldn't fall foul of this law but a clause for negligence could be added. The problem is that a law thus phrased would require interpretation by the jury which is something most Governments seem loath to allow them to do. The upside is that this law would be good for the foreseeable future and would probably cover most new crimes. I suppose the problem is that if we had high level laws and a true trial by jury the Govenment would rapidly lose one of it's basic functions - to make more laws.

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    7. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some years ago a friend of mine was a phreaker. Eventually he got caught.
      The cops had to individually read out each phone call from the itemized list they had been given saying something like "on 12th september 1985 did you make a call to 555 5555" and he had to answer yes or no. It took them 10 hours of interview to get through the list.
      When it got down to it there wasn't a suitable law in statue and they could only charge him with "Theft of Electricity" and he ended up with a minor fine.

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    8. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by chocochip · · Score: 1

      Because we all know that criminals would never break the law!

    9. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by hhghghghh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do we strike a balance between a piece of legislation that covers any crime that may not have been thought up yet, without prohibiting activities that are not necesserily criminal that will be invented in the future? This is something that no country has come up with yet and this is unlikely to happen any time soon due to various governments in power. (cough)

      There are many such laws. For example, criminal damage. If you infringe on another's property rights by physically damaging his/her property (be it a horsebuggy, a door, or an iPod) without permission, that's a crime. Many laws are put in a technology-neutral way. The problem is that with new technologies, often the first laws to fight some sort of nuisance are framed in a technology-non-neutral choice of words. That's why there were junk-fax statutes even before e-mail spam came along.

      Also, there are judges and juries determining whether a certain law should apply, even if the wording is a bit off. And to what extent (e.g. 2nd amendment - not good for carrying nuclear warheads..)

      Then, finally, there's your run off the mill lawsuits, where you can get a court to compel some one to stop being a jerk and to pay damages. Not being criminal court the standards for evidence, as well as the standards for strict interpretation of the law, are a bit laxer. In general, if some one is being a jerk, you'll be able to seek judgement against them, even if what they're doing isn't a punishable offense, or even specifically legislated against - unless there's legislation spelling out it's their right to be jerks (i.e. the first amendment, though even in that case, you can slap time, manner and place restrictions on people).

      It's not that the law isn't flexible. It's just that there's a process, and different ways of seeking retribution. And sometimes you don't get to act out revenge, because something isn't on the books, or, *gasp*, some one is allowed to be a jerk.

    10. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      When it got down to it there wasn't a suitable law in statue and they could only charge him with "Theft of Electricity" and he ended up with a minor fine.

      After I quit from a job, due to my salary being 3 months in arrears, I took the company to court to recover the money owed. To counterattack they tried to think of claims to make against me, like $100,000 in losses because I had left unexpectedly. Another was that I had used their Internet (dial up) access after I quit, which was true for a few days till I noticed and organised a personal acount. They tried to make a big deal of this theft of services, but the magistrate wasn't interested in hearing a claim of 50 cents, the total for the couple of hours involved.

    11. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by Secrity · · Score: 1

      The government of the United States has that situation covered, it has something called the "Patriot Act" which effectively outlaws any action that would inconvenience the US government, any corporation, or anybody who has given enough money to the proper people.

    12. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by greenrd · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I totally agree - laws are useless to stop criminals. Only gun ownership can stop criminals.

      That's why crime has gone up and up and up in the UK since firearms were banned... oh wait, no it hasn't.

    13. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by idlake · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure where you're from, but the way it works in the US (roughly) is that laws set down general rules, and its application to new situations is governed by courts. Courts thereby create a body of precendents that function similar to laws. If legislators don't like what the courts are doing with a law, then they go back and change or amend the law.

    14. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by chocochip · · Score: 1

      Don't let the facts get in your way. BBC Fraser Institute

    15. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by nlvp · · Score: 1
      As alluded to here, the law is not there to cover specific cases, but to provide sensible rules that are to be interpreted by judges as befits each situation. This is the role of precedent in Law.

      There are exceptions such as laws specifically criminalising the driver of a vehicle if any of the passengers are not wearing their seatbelts, but by and large, the point is to provide a more general guide which judges refine.

      When governments start making laws specific, it is more often than not driven by on of three things :

      A centrist, controlling desire (i.e. We the government should get involved in the minutia of people's lives by telling them what decisions to make at every juncture).

      A special interest group has convinced them to make a 'special case' of something in order to protect commercial interest (lobbying organisations often have this as their goal).

      The government doesn't like a specific interpretation of the higher courts, and seeks to overturn it and change the law as interpreted by the courts - this is the government's right, and to a certain extent its role, but damages the legal system as a whole by demonstrating a lack of faith in the wisdom of the higher courts.

    16. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by skarphace · · Score: 0

      It's fairly simple. In fact, I think there are similar laws here in the US. You would word the law something like this:

      "A person may not purposely hinder the rights of another to use their computers and must not purposely attempt to harm or destroy another's computer."

      Then leave the interperetation up to the judge.

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    17. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by operagost · · Score: 1

      Why are technophiles so protective of their privacy and speech rights, but so opposed to the rights that help us defend them? Are we to expect the government's agents to protect our freedoms? That's exactly the opposite of what government does. Can you find an any more blatant example of leaving the fox to guard the henhouse than in the average Slashdotter or 2600er's attitude towards gun control? No, it's up to the people to defend their own rights and limit the rights and powers of their government.

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    18. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Then, finally, there's your run off the mill lawsuits

      I think you meant run of the mill.

    19. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by njyoder · · Score: 1

      I think the easy answer is to focus on intent. Phrase the law in such a way that it gauges whether or not a reasonable person in that situation could perform said action with non-malicious intent. You can also use generic language in terms of resource usage. Something like: "If a person performs an action that is designed to consume vast amounts of computing resources (and humand resources necessary to make repairs) and no reasonable person could see said action as non-malicious...."

      It can also be phrased that way in terms of acquiring access to resources that you're not authorized to have access to. There is no need for specific technological phrasing.

    20. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't just write a peice of legislation that says ... "This law applies to anything that may or may not be directly stated here but, when evaluated, is deemed to be against moral standards and eventually found to be 'bad'" It's too vague! Laws are meant to be very, very specific, which is why law records and official legal documents contain a lot of very small print and confusing language. But, if you read it all, every possible situation should be included in the law. That's why we have legislators who go over old laws and introduce new ones which are more relevant and applicble to the time. Simply stating "Anything that can be deemed harmful is illegal" is too vague.

    21. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      "A person may not purposely hinder the rights of another to use their computers and must not purposely attempt to harm or destroy another's computer."

      You could just as easily say:

      "A person may not purposely hinder the rights of another to use their property and must not purposely attempt to harm or destroy another's property."

      You need to be more specific if you want to distinguish crimes using technology from other property crimes. New laws must do more than simply restate old laws with different words. They should add meaning, not narrow the existing law to only one type of property as yours does.

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    22. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Yes, because guns are going to be so much of a help against a government which has things like tanks, atom bombs etc. at their disposal - not to mention well-trained and -equipped soldiers.

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    23. Re:Pros and Cons of a good piece of legislation by skarphace · · Score: 1

      You need to be more specific if you want to distinguish crimes using technology from other property crimes. New laws must do more than simply restate old laws with different words. They should add meaning, not narrow the existing law to only one type of property as yours does.

      I was not suggesting a new law, just giving an example of how to write a law regarding such crime as the parent requested.

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  4. Time for a new server. by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps it is time for that business to invest in a more modern mail server. Indeed, even the lowliest of Dell servers running Linux or FreeBSD can easily handle 5 million email messages, even if sent in a very short period of time. A large amount of mail should never cause the server to completely crash, even if it does consume much bandwidth and cause other delays.

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    1. Re:Time for a new server. by OverlordQ · · Score: 1
      Indeed, even the lowliest of Dell servers running Linux or FreeBSD can easily handle 5 million email messages, even if sent in a very short period of time.


      Erm, i'd severely doubt that, let me email 5,000,000 messages in 5 minutes and see if your server/network dies.
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    2. Re:Time for a new server. by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Would my server straight out die? Of course not. It would queue the messages for as long as possible, and if the server happened to run out of disk space, it would begin rejecting the messages. The one thing it would not do is crash.

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    3. Re:Time for a new server. by thej1nx · · Score: 1

      Erm, i'd severely doubt that, let me email 5,000,000 messages in 5 minutes and see if your server/network dies.

      Dude, if you can get a server/network which lets you email 5,000,000 messages in 5 minutes then I am pretty sure he can get a server/network to handle them.

    4. Re:Time for a new server. by LogicX · · Score: 1

      And then it spawns more and more processes to process the mail, eating up ram, at which point any other services on the box may be overloaded and deprived of resources.
      Immense disk swapping ensues. System load increases.
      Server 'crashes' (becomes so unusable as to be unresponsive even to administrative use, much less queueing or sending mail anymore).

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    5. Re:Time for a new server. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      And then it spawns more and more processes to process the mail, eating up ram, at which point any other services on the box may be overloaded and deprived of resources.

      The default configuration of sendmail and many other common MTAs is to delay and stop accepting email to prevent exactly that.

    6. Re:Time for a new server. by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are numerous ways to limit the excessive resource misallocation you mention. Again, any half decent mail server can do that, as can any half decent operating system.

      And a thrashing server is not a crashed server by any means. If it's running a decent operating system (most UNIX-like systems, for instance), it should be working just fine within a short amount of time. Yes, it may not be the most responsive system for a little while, but it sure hasn't crashed.

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    7. Re:Time for a new server. by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 1

      >> Dude, if you can get a server/network which lets you email 5,000,000 messages in 5 minutes then I am pretty sure he can get a server/network to handle them.

      Umm, no. I don't see anything about methods in TFA, but wouldn't you launch the attack from multiple IPs across multiple address blocks. Like, you know, a "distributed" DOS?

      Only one outcome to that scenario...

    8. Re:Time for a new server. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would still be a DOS attack for anyone else wanting to use the server to either send or receive mail from flooding the network.

    9. Re:Time for a new server. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent down.

      Every fucking article he posts some mindless bullshit just for attention. If you don't give trolls attention they go away.

    10. Re:Time for a new server. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      And? That's still no reason for the server to crash.

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    11. Re:Time for a new server. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Informative

      And then it spawns more and more processes to process the mail, eating up ram, at which point any other services on the box may be overloaded and deprived of resources.

      No, the mail server is a dedicated box, and thee are limits to how many processes it will spawn. What it will do is queue a bunch of messages and work through the backlog. I can build a $3k box (plus the cost of a storage array if needed) that will handle a 20Mbit stream of mail all day long. This isn't rocket science.

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    12. Re:Time for a new server. by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      YEARH MAAAN!!!! Thos guys derverved to got raped!!!

    13. Re:Time for a new server. by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      No, the mail server is a dedicated box, and thee are limits to how many processes it will spawn. What it will do is queue a bunch of messages and work through the backlog. I can build a $3k box (plus the cost of a storage array if needed) that will handle a 20Mbit stream of mail all day long. This isn't rocket science.

      Perhaps this should start out as "no my mail server is a dedicated box..."?

      See, there are other people in the world than yourself. And, while it's not hard to put together a Linux/sendmail server that can handle a 20 Mb stream, building one that also runs, oh, say, a web server, WebDAV, SQL, and a few other services useful to a small business may lead you to places where it's not true anymore. And, since SCSI drives are expensive, you'll typically see a smaller (maybe 20 GB) drive on it on your small business, entry level server that's a year or two old. With an average email sizing about 50k, 50k * 1 million adds up to 50,000,000,000 - whoops! Your hard drive just got seriously whumped!

      Plus, your "20 Mb stream" server doesn't take into account anything at all resource-intensive, such as SpamAssassin, anti-virus, greylisting, or most of the other, processor-intensive functions now in common use. In reality, your baseline "20 Mb stream" server only proves that a modern SCSI drive can read/write data at a rate greater than 20 Mbps.

      Congratulations! I'm thoroughly unimpressed. Come back when you have something relevant to say.

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    14. Re:Time for a new server. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Informative

      See, there are other people in the world than yourself. And, while it's not hard to put together a Linux/sendmail server that can handle a 20 Mb stream, building one that also runs, oh, say, a web server, WebDAV, SQL, and a few other services useful to a small business may lead you to places where it's not true anymore.

      Anybody that runs production hardware like that deserves what they get. There are serious security problems with running all-in-one solutions; if your needs are really so small, get a site-hosting arrangement for $25/mo. I was referring to any company large enough to run their own stuff.

      And, since SCSI drives are expensive, you'll typically see a smaller (maybe 20 GB) drive on it on your small business, entry level server that's a year or two old.

      If it's entry level, then it's probably IDE, and 80GB is easy for a small server 1.5 years old. Sorry, but your numbers aren't really credible.

      Plus, your "20 Mb stream" server doesn't take into account anything at all resource-intensive, such as SpamAssassin, anti-virus, greylisting, or most of the other, processor-intensive functions now in common use. In reality, your baseline "20 Mb stream" server only proves that a modern SCSI drive can read/write data at a rate greater than 20 Mbps.

      Any modern disk can do 20Mb/sec. SCSI is no longer necessary for much aside from SAN apps. Regardless of the tasks performed, my point was that no properly configured server should choke on mail. This is a solved problem.

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    15. Re:Time for a new server. by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I take you you have little/no experience working with small businesses?

      My "not credible" numbers are very typical for scenarios I work in. In this world of small enterprises, it's very normal to run an entire business with just a single server. Bitch all you want to about whatever security issues, I sure have.

      Small business owners tend to have a case of megalomania. If they can pet the box, they "own" it. Thus, they'll spend $2,000 on a server rather than $25/mo on a managed solution because they can pet the box, even as they explain about the increased downtime because they don't have a dedicated admin, like their ISP.

      Just because it's not true in your world, doesn't mean it isn't true!

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    16. Re:Time for a new server. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'am wondering if this helps my case in any way. I stand trial in the Netherlands because I informed a spammer I dodn't like there e-mails. Quite often, 70.000 times according to the spammer, but I think rule #1 is in effect. p.s. In the Netherlands initials are used when newspapers report about suspects, my initials are actually A.C.

    17. Re:Time for a new server. by Gumph · · Score: 1

      o, the mail server is a dedicated box, and thee are limits to how many processes it will spawn. What it will do is queue a bunch of messages and work through the backlog. I can build a $3k box (plus the cost of a storage array if needed) that will handle a 20Mbit stream of mail all day long. This isn't rocket science. Perhaps this should start out as "no my mail server is a dedicated box..."?
      Actually what I think the proper terminology is: "No, MOST mail servers run on a dedicated box!" For this we know to be true!

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    18. Re:Time for a new server. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I notice you still don't post your email address publically though.

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    19. Re:Time for a new server. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no way are you going to get exchange or business equivalent for $25 per user per month in the UK, bandwidth is going to be a major expense as well if you want to store mail centrally - think 10K USD / year for your business class 2mbps connection. Oh and account changes cost $ too. suddenly that box and that part time outsourced sys admin seems worth it.

    20. Re:Time for a new server. by Nazadus · · Score: 1

      Ok, I've done this twice so far.
      Once is for the company I work for. ~ 50 users.
      When we first got a server (about a week before I was hired) it had *everything* all in one. Microsoft Exchange, Active Directory, ISA Server (say what you want, we never got hacked), Website, and file server.
      They were warned by three people on how even if it is secure, it's not a reliable solution for the long run.
      Low and behold, a year later we start getting misc slowness, problems here and there. The problem was it was just over used and all that Microsoft software wasn't designed to be an all-in-one (that's what SBS is for) so weird shut cropped up.
      Long story short, we ended up splitting into three servers and still have a little weirdness from that single mistake. Fucking sucks, but it works enough.

      I'm also doing an all-in-one solution for a 5 man company. Go ahead and tell them they need 4-5 servers to do that and it'll cost them $20,000 for hardware and time and watch them laugh at your face. I chose SBS for them. Still happy.

      I'm currently developing an OpenBSD solution (which is getting close to being done for the bulk of it, now the fun stuff begins) (becuase Linux is too much over head for the people I sell too -- ever try and update a Gentoo box? Don't! It's about as bad as getting root'ed) so I can save on money *and* get people security. While I think the Microsoft solutions are pretty secure (becuase of ISA -- one of the few things they did right), they are very $$$. About half of the price is software. If I can eliminate that and either pocket it some of that *and* save the customers, we both make out.

      So, basically, I agree with you. I'm in the same boat. It would be nice to do work for a large firm so I could do things ideally, but I'm small fry... for now. :P

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    21. Re:Time for a new server. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "Thus, they'll spend $2,000 on a server rather than $25/mo on a managed solution because they can pet the box"

      Of course, some people like a bit of local control over what's going on with their data. Sign up with a $25/mo "solution", spend a few hours studying their non-negotaible Terms of Service, hope they don't go bankrupt, get bought out, etc.

    22. Re:Time for a new server. by conJunk · · Score: 1
      Small business owners tend to have a case of megalomania. If they can pet the box, they "own" it. Thus, they'll spend $2,000 on a server rather than $25/mo on a managed solution because they can pet the box, even as they explain about the increased downtime because they don't have a dedicated admin, like their ISP.

      sure... we call these people "victims"

    23. Re:Time for a new server. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Small business owners tend to have a case of megalomania. If they can pet the box, they "own" it. Thus, they'll spend $2,000 on a server rather than $25/mo on a managed solution because they can pet the box, even as they explain about the increased downtime because they don't have a dedicated admin, like their ISP.

      Were you expecting sympathy? Anyway, My $2k pricetag was for a low-end server. If we're going to self host (instead of using a managed host for the web side of things like any smart businessperson would), then that can be two smaller $1k boxes with split duties and a semi-sophisticated firewall in front. Not perfect, but still quite adequate. The $2k server has to fit in a 1U form factor to reduce colo charges and sits in a rackmount box, so that costs more too. It also has more memory to avoid future upgrades (it's in a colo facility, after all).

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    24. Re:Time for a new server. by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Hey, if it means anything, I've been doing Linux-only for about 5 years, and it pays off pretty nicely.

      It's hard to think of something nicer than an ongoing service contract that requires a few hours per month reviewing log files, while the customer is blissfully happy because they just don't have to worry about things anymore ...

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  5. Proof... by hoka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That law has a hard time keeping up with technology. It takes a long time for laws to be made, changed, proven, and stand up in court. It doesn't take nearly as long in the technological world for attacks, defenses, and things in general to change. This is where a lot of the problems are coming from, since most of the time when you get things that are pushed out quickly there are all sorts of acts or laws such as the DMCA or Canadian Do-Not-Call list) which contain all sorts of problems in one way or another. It's just a shame it will take so long for things to really shape up.

    Really quite a predicament when too fast means you get poorly written laws, and too slow means the bad guys can work "legally" for a while...

    1. Re:Proof... by woolio · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think its the letter of the law that confuses people.

      If 1000 people camped out in the middle of a public road in front of the entrance to a company, would they be breaking a crime by not allowing people to enter/exit? In essence, they would be executing a "denial of service" attack to the companies road.

      Or what if a few 18-wheelers decided to park in the middle of an interstate to block it. This is also a DOS attack.

      What if 1 million people concertedly & simultaneously dialed 911 for "testing purposes" once a month. This would also be a DOS attack.

      In each case different laws might be violated but the principle is the same: resources are being purposely mis-used in order to deprive others of them.

      Now a question arises: is the Internet a public utility or just a privately owned network? IANAL, but the latter would seem to make the Britisher's offsense a Civil one, not a Criminal one.

    2. Re:Proof... by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      A long time for laws to be made? Are you kidding?

      The minimum time it takes for a law to pass takes precisely as long as it takes for something to blow up. You want a law passed all you need to do is connect it to some explosion and it will be in tomorrow.

    3. Re:Proof... by hoka · · Score: 1

      Thats why I specifically referred to laws that are put together with haste as being riddled with problems, and while not necessarily technologically specific, the PATRIOT act makes an excellent example of this. I'm no lawyer but I'd make a guess that proper laws (or really anything) that has a lot of time and debate put into it will make a better law than something pushed out the door in a few days.

    4. Re:Proof... by IngramJames · · Score: 1

      IANAL either, and I speak only for the UK

      If 1000 people camped out in the middle of a public road in front of the entrance to a company, would they be breaking a crime by not allowing people to enter/exit? In essence, they would be executing a "denial of service" attack to the companies road.

      Yes, they are comitting a crime. Such protests do take place occasionally, and there's always video footage of the police dragging protesters off to the cells, because you are not allowed to block a road or an entrance to a road. This is amply demonstrated during strikes, when the protesters must remain behind barriers so that the company can continue to trade.

      Or what if a few 18-wheelers decided to park in the middle of an interstate to block it. This is also a DOS attack.

      Likewise illegal here. We had some recent "go slow" fuel protests with large vehicles driving slowly down the motorway. This was legal, but I think the govt are discussing the possibility of changing that..

      What if 1 million people concertedly & simultaneously dialed 911 for "testing purposes" once a month. This would also be a DOS attack.

      I think you could prove conspiracy; and also make a case that it was wasting police time.

      Now a question arises: is the Internet a public utility or just a privately owned network?
      Neither. It's a bunch of interconnected private networks.

      IANAL, but the latter would seem to make the Britisher's offsense a Civil one, not a Criminal one.

      And I think that the company may have a good case to make; but I don't know if any legislation applies. ..

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    5. Re:Proof... by deimtee · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstood Frogbert. You write the law first, THEN you organize the explosion.

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  6. Your Rights Online? by goofyheadedpunk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At first I was a bit confused as to why this was posted in the your rights online section, until I considered this case from the point of view of the poor bastard that got blasted by the former employee. Denial of service attacks have been around quite some time before 1990. If UK law doesn't considered this sort of computer act to be illegal what else isn't? What is illegal?

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    1. Re:Your Rights Online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the biggest problem is that the law seems to require a method for something actual result to be illegal.

      similar to spam, we dont need spam laws because 99% if not all spam is already illegal: fraud, hacking (zombie networks etc), harrassment etc

      they could flat out lock up spammers for breaking much more serious laws but they choose not to use them in a new way and instead bring up a new law that basically adds "on the internet"

    2. Re:Your Rights Online? by Vitus+Wagner · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Illegal is to use lynx and to type URL manually, as was covered by previous slashdot posts.
      If this guy would be punished for annoying people by sending 3 millions E-Mails, it would set precedent to punish spammers.

      It would seriously harm advertising industry, if spam would be banned. No responsible jugde would allow this to happen.

    3. Re:Your Rights Online? by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is illegal?

      Getting on trains, if you're Brazilian.

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    4. Re:Your Rights Online? by AndrewRUK · · Score: 1
      If UK law doesn't considered this sort of computer act to be illegal what else isn't? What is illegal?
      The Computer Misuse Act 1990 created three offences: unauthorised access to computer material, unauthorised access with intent to commit or facilitate commission of further offences, and unauthorised modification of computer material. In this case, the judge ruled that a DoS isn't an unauthorised modification because the modification to the server caused by each individual email was authorised. Earlier this year, there was a bill proposed in parliament which would have made DoS attacks illegal, but the general election got in the way.
    5. Re:Your Rights Online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What utter crap.

      It's not illegal under the specific law the guy was taken to court for breaking. This doesn't mean its not illegal at all, it just means the prosecutors made a bad decision.

      It's not illegal to "use lynx" or "type a URL manually", which law did you think this breaks exactly? The 2002 anti-text-browser act?

      It is illegal to attempt to gain unauthorised access to a computer system, how you do it or what your motive is doesn't matter. Whether thats using directory traversal on a web server or buffer overflows on a network service is not important, the fact is if you try to gain access to something you're not allowed to then you're committing an offence and the simplicity of your method of access doesn't come into it.

    6. Re:Your Rights Online? by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      It would seriously harm advertising industry, if spam would be banned. No responsible jugde would allow this to happen.

      how so??? I don't get spam from reputable companies anyway... all my spam comes from some tossers in Florida trying to get me to buy Medz, or replica watches, or get a degree for no work... no reputable businesses there.

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    7. Re:Your Rights Online? by sevenoverzero · · Score: 1

      I argue that a responsible judge WOULD set a precedent for punishing spammers. Unlike most other advertising media, such as junk snail-mail, spam takes advantage of resources (e.g. bandwidth) that you PAY for, without your consent. It's criminal as well as annoying.

    8. Re:Your Rights Online? by Finuvir · · Score: 1
      What is illegal?

      Getting on trains, if you're Brazilian.

      Don't be silly. You don't have to be Brazilian; you just need darkish skin.
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    9. Re:Your Rights Online? by JaxWeb · · Score: 1

      "It would seriously harm advertising industry, if spam would be banned. No responsible jugde would allow this to happen."

      That is not the judge's choice. He only interprets laws, he cannot invent it. You are thinking of America, I think?

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    10. Re:Your Rights Online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Illegal is to use lynx and to type URL manually

      Actually he was found guilty not because of what he did, but the fact that he lied to the police about it.

      Not exactly helping your case if you lie about what you were doing...

  7. revenge by Muhammar · · Score: 3, Funny

    maybe the company can claim that the dude made some threats in the past. Maybe they can label him as a super-advanced cyber-terrorist and extradite him to US. (Maybe they can make him disapper there - in one of the secret prisons.) Wait - with the Blunkett laws, maybe they can do this without US help.

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    1. Re:revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, it was a bomb after all so he was *definately* a terrorist.
       
      Hey, why not just do what they did to Jean Charles de Menezes? Shoot and kill the poor bugger. There is absolutely no democratic or civilised need to have any due process in Britain.

    2. Re:revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right.

      Of course, the number of unjustified police shootings in the UK is pretty low given the global competition, but don't let facts stand in the way of your rant, will you?

      You're right though; shooting the guy was definitely out of order. Instead, the UK should have arrested everybody who ever visited a mosque and hidden them away permanently without trial on some island somewhere. That's acceptable - everybody does it. Guantanamo Bay is particularly nice this time of year.

      Why don't you send this humanitarian suggestion to Scotland Yard? If we get lucky, they'll take offense and shoot you :)

  8. being that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying "being that" makes one sound like a dumbass. If I were an editor, I would have thrown out the article submission and ridiculed the submitter.

    1. Re:being that by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Funny

      And look at that floating comma... "According to this article , a British Judge..." They really should stop calling themselves editors and start calling themselves what they really are - cronjobs. They probably spend five minutes in the morning picking stories and play games for the rest of the day.

    2. Re:being that by utnow · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your mom gave me a cronjob last night...

    3. Re:being that by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1

      Really? I didn't know she started working on 2s. I thought she only worked on 5s and 6s.

    4. Re:being that by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Where do I send my resumé?

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  9. So let's see.. by EiZei · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's illegal to mod your gaming console or copy your copy-protected CDs to your iPod but go ahead and fuck up some email servers? Got it.

    1. Re:So let's see.. by DarkAxi0m · · Score: 1

      Damn, what happends the gamin console is the mail server... 0_x

  10. l33t hax0ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a leet hax0r. I can launch a DOS with 2 lines of 'code'.

    1. Re:l33t hax0ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      <..?

      for ($i = 0; $i < 5000000; $i++)
          mail("recipient@server.com", "Haha! Take this!", "I am a l33t hax0r");

      ?...>

  11. spam by Cave_Monster · · Score: 1, Insightful

    While he got off on the computer misuse charge, what about spamming? Couldn't it be argued he was sending unsolicited email to this bloke? Do the UK have such laws?

    1. Re:spam by sr180 · · Score: 2, Informative

      He had a previous relationship with the company concerned, them being his employer, so it could not be classified as spam.

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    2. Re:spam by twoshortplanks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think any *criminal* act was carried out here. This doesn't mean the company couldn't sue for loss of earnings or disruption to buisness. It's just not something the Crown can prosecute for. Of course, that's my best guess. I'm no law expert.

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  12. Congrats by SnarfQuest · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let's all send him email's of congratulation. 5,000,000 per ./ reader seems appropriate.

    Or maybe sign him up for a few catalogs.

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    1. Re:Congrats by dadjaka · · Score: 1

      His email address will be something like i_am_a_super_hax3r_d00d@hotmail.com - you should have no trouble finding who to send it to! :)

    2. Re:Congrats by maelstrom · · Score: 1, Funny

      lol, omfg ur funny

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  13. slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Computer Misuse Act is a bit outdated being that it was created 15 years ago when a number, perhaps most, of the current methods for misuse of computers were not contemplated.

    yes, i'm feeling like slashdotting my employer's website.

  14. Obviously, we need to run a test by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the editors had written it like "his previous employers, who are at this link: _______", then we'd get to see if they got around to updating that server. My money is on 'yes'.

  15. Here is what you can do: by ToadMan8 · · Score: 1

    You write something like Miami University has in its Responsible Use of Computing Resources document. You can read it at http://kb.muohio.edu/cgi-bin/webcgi.exe?new,KB=MUK B,case=obj(4831) if you are interested.

    There is very little technology specific language in it, and it was written many, many years ago. We look to revise it at a certain interval, and always come to the conclusion that it still stands and applies as well as it did when it was written. The student judicial system and technology advisers get involved in the interpretation of the policy if something happens, and the governmental judicial system should do something similar in the real world.

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  16. Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment. In fact, there isn't one line of it that I can't rip to shreds in seconds.

    Do you have any idea of the size of the company involved?

    For all you know, the company concerned might have no more than a handful of employees, so a mail server capable of handling 5 million emails in a short space of time would be totally inappropriate. Not all computer crime is committed against large organisations that have turnovers that are measured in millions or even billions.

    Wasting police and court time? Well, if the police were involved then there's a good chance that the prosecution was brought by the Crown Prosecution Service (ie, the government), so someone in the appropriate position of authority thought it was a sensible case to persue.

    And even if it was a civil case, well, then that's what courts are for: to listen to all the evidence, consider all the facts, and make a judgment one way or another when two parties are in dispute.

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    1. Re:Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For all you know, the company concerned might have no more than a handful of employees, so a mail server capable of handling 5 million emails in a short space of time would be totally inappropriate.

      Let's see - 5M messages at 10k each = 50GB. If it were a small company, they may have only had a 1.5Mb line, so that 50GB would take about 50GB/150K/3600 = 92 hours to complete. Any mail server can handle that, and any competent admin should be able to block the messages within four days!

      Of course, a 3rd party hosted mail server could handle the mail a bit faster, so the only question is whether 50GB is an excessive amount. Since I have a 300MB quota, it might be. Then again, maybe not - disk space is cheap, and nuking one message sent to any number of people is pretty straightforward.

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    2. Re:Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 3, Informative

      Let's see, small 5-man company with basic ISDN (128Mbit/s) or ADSL (512Mbit/s)internet access used for everything including email, web access, etc that has no dedicated IT professional and whose business grinds to a halt because they can't do anything while their server is heavily attacked.

      Don't assume that everyone has full-time IT professionals to hand. Also, don't assume that the messages were small: they could have been 10KB each, but they could easily have been 2MB each, 2,000 times larger than your guess.

      Also remember that the crime in question took place at least two years ago, when internet access would have been slower, disk space would have been more expensive, etc, etc. The average business today has better resources now than would have been available then, at least from a bang-per-buck point of view, if nothing else.

      Of course, if you're implementing IT strategy for a large corporation then DOS contingency planning will be part of your job description, but if you're running a small company, one where the guy who looks after the PCs is the same guy who puts out the rubbish at the end of the day, then DOS attacks probably won't be on your radar.

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    3. Re:Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment... by DarkIye · · Score: 0
      Well, from my experience, a small company doesn't like spending its already pretty restricted resources on teens wanting work experience. This is probably a pretty sizable company, and any company interested in lasting more than a few months in the technological climate of today is probably going to hire both a security 'guy' of some description, and a janitor, so he doesn't have to waste his time.

      So I guess what I'm saying is, they can't have come off too badly (at least not catastrophically), at the end of the day. However, the kid caught doing the mail bomb should definitely have some kind of penalty placed on him.

    4. Re:Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not a dumb comment at all, its spot on!

      Get some knowledge of the industry before you comment please, the majority of your 'supporting' information was inaccurate, maybe if this were 1995 you might be right.

      Hardly any company still has ISDN.. in fact, most have moved to ADSL or Cable as ISDN speeds were only just comparable with 56k.. yes 64 kilobits not megabits.. dual line ISDN reached 128 kilobits.. who the hell would still use that?

      Anyone with a brain would get cheap ass cable/adsl.

    5. Re:Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment... by ultranova · · Score: 2, Informative

      For all you know, the company concerned might have no more than a handful of employees, so a mail server capable of handling 5 million emails in a short space of time would be totally inappropriate.

      When a mail server gets messages faster than it can handle them, the proper thing to do is store the extra messages to a queue and handle them when it has time. When the queue gets full, or the server is getting messages faster than it can put them to the queue, the proper thing to do is to start refusing connections. Simply eating more and more resources - by allocating more and more memory, by starting more and more subprocesses or threads, by opening more and more files or network connections, or by using more and more diskspace for the queue or temporary files - until the computer runs out and then crashing is never the proper thing to do.

      A server that crashes under load is simply buggy. Not small-scale, not only suitable for small companies, but just plain buggy and unsuitable for anything.

      In short, if this server was incapable of handling 5 million messages in a short period of time, then it should only have accepted as many as it can handle and rejected the rest.

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    6. Re:Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment... by megrims · · Score: 1

      I wish my ADSL was 512Mbit/s. I'm stuck with a measly 1.5Mbit/s.

    7. Re:Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment... by nagora · · Score: 1
      Let's see - 5M messages at 10k each = 50GB.

      Yep, that's probably what did it: 50GB of space for a mailserver a couple of years ago would have been unusual for a small company. Fill the drive, kill the server; do it over a long weekend.

      TWW

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    8. Re:Sorry, but that's a pretty dumb comment... by darkonc · · Score: 2, Informative
      Let's see - 5M messages at 10k each = 50GB. If it were a small company, they may have only had a 1.5Mb line, so that 50GB would take about 50GB/150K/3600 = 92 hours to complete. Any mail server can handle that, and any competent admin should be able to block the messages within four days!

      If, on the other hand, they have a 10 megabit line (possibly shared with other companies in the building), it would only take about 4 hours to fill a 20GB hard disk (i.e. overnight -- even for a 60GB drive) -- which isn't unreasonable for a small company with a 4 year old server that's been serving them fine (with only software updates needed).

      50 Gig worth of email would also make the server useless for most users of the system... If you've got 200,000 emails in your mailbox, it could take your email program a few hours to download, store and index before it shows you a screen. Even if the email server actually survived, it would look like it was down when nobody managed to open their email box after 1/2 hour of waiting.

      And, of course, with 20 users each trying to index a mailbox with 1/4million emails, the server is going to thrash itself into oblivion -- making the process take even longer.

      Even for a small to medium company (or division) with a reasonably well set-up email server, 5 million unexpected emails are likely to turn most reasonable email servers into an unusable pig for the next couple of days.

      That's not to say that I couldn't build a server that could eat 5 million emails, burp and wait for more, but I'd have a hard time justifying building it for most small - to -medium size businesses with mimimal email requirements.

      And, it's not just large businesses that will hire a kid for work experience. Sometimes a company with 10-20 workers will hire a summer or work experience student out of a sense of community comittment and/or to get a bit of extra work done for cheap.

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  17. Re:Only 5 million emails and the server crashed? by Frogbert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah sure its only 5 million emails, and most systems should be able to handle that. Providing of course that they were only going to one person. What if it went to all staff and there was 30 employees then you have 150 million messages and its a little bit more of a problem. Assume you posted these all at 2 am at night, at 8 the next morning all 30 people get to work and check their emails all at about the same time. Ouch

  18. Re:Only 5 million emails and the server crashed? by a.d.trick · · Score: 0

    IANAL, nor do I know much about british law, but in canadian law there is an idea that the weakness of the victim is the responbility of whoever caused the damages. It doesn't matter if they were running a farm of Linux sendmail servers or Joe Bloe's Free Mail Server on some Windoze box. It's petty obvious that it was intentional and malicious and I think the teenager should be culpable for his actions. I don't think that "5 million emails? It was an accident, truely!" cuts it.

  19. Moral of the Story by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you live in Britian, drop this article around the office, then start dressing like someone from the matrix and talking in tech jargon. Your boss will fear you, and you'll be able to get away with murder!

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    1. Re:Moral of the Story by Gumph · · Score: 2, Funny

      What do you mean START dressing like some from the matrix and talking in tech jargon?

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    2. Re:Moral of the Story by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      What do you mean "Britian"?

  20. A couple of comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a couple of comments, obviously the teen should be held responsible for something, but having read the article the correct result seems to have been reached. Without having read the specific law, the words referred to are "unauthorized access" or "unauthorized modification" of computer material, which seems a bit of a stretch to cover a DoS attack. Frankly, I'm surprised that the UK doesn't have other laws to cover this type of crime, as DoS attacks have been around for quite a while, but as other readers have commented, laws often are behind the times when it comes to new technology. That being said, in many instances existing laws may be sufficient to cover many aspects of "new" computer crimes, ie. stealing credit card numbers by computer and then using them will be prosecutable under fraud as well as other more specific offenses.

    That being said, there are still civil remedies that may be pursued, such as suing for damages arising from interference with business relations and the like. One of the differences between criminal and tort law is that tort law is not necessarily a closed set, judges in common law jurisdictions may find new torts in adapting to new fact situations (see Lord Denning's judgments for an example). Practically speaking, there probably isn't too much to be gained from suing the teen for damages, except perhaps for deterring future attacks.

    Incidentally, given the associated penalties, criminal law is correctly a legislated, closed set of offenses that can only be changed or added to by the will of parliament.

  21. Re:Only 5 million emails and the server crashed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It's petty obvious that it was intentional and malicious and I think the teenager should be culpable for his actions. I don't think that "5 million emails? It was an accident, truely!" cuts it.


    OK.. so i go add my site to google, then my servers fall over from too many hits.. but google didnt do it maliciously.. its my own fault for having crap load handling/balancing.

    The fact of the matter is, regardless of malicious intent, prevention is clearly better.
    Just because he's an ex employee and may have knowledge of the system's running there, theres nothing to stop anyone on the internet doing exactly the same thing and running through some proxies to avoid easy traceback.

    If your gonna have a server connected to the internet, you have to take these things into account.
  22. Vengeance by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    This is so blatantly obvious; since the teen is not doing anything illegal, couldn't the company just do the very same thing. Perhaps stretching it futher to SMS-bomb, phone-bomb, snailmail-bomb and DoS-bomb him for the rest of his sorry life?

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  23. These were some nice days for the execs Blackberry by lonesometrainer · · Score: 2, Funny


    Just imagine that :) His device in his pocket, vibrating all day long... neeeeaaat?

    Perhaps his exec forced him to do that?

  24. Re:Only 5 million emails and the server crashed? by richi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Assume you posted these all at 2 am at night, at 8 the next morning all 30 people get to work and check their emails all at about the same time. Ouch
    Well we don't know what mail server they were using, but that would be a problem with some popular servers that don't properly keep single copies of messages sent to multiple recipients CoughExchange5.5Cough. When I worked on OpenMail (now Scalix) this sort of load would have been no problem for a small server with a few thousand users.

    It's a question of minimizing the disk I/O -- or more importantly minimizing the amount that the disk heads need to move.

  25. computer misuse act does NOT need updating by irw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Computer Misuse Act seems to have been designed to encode the electronic equivalent of breaking-and-entering (offences 1 & 2) and criminal damage (offence 3).

    Denial of service is probably very difficult to encode in a similar fashion, since I do not see what *criminal* offence it would equate to.

    In this particular care, there is no essential difference between sending a million emails and sending a million letters by post - both would swamp the service, but equally both are simply making use of the (e)mailing infrastructure as it was designed. (Yes I know letters cost more. That's irrelevant - they require more effort to deliver, and are priced accordingly).

    Taking a different example, such as opening thousands of connections to a server with intent to deprive others' of access to it, I still can't see what equivalent physical world *criminal* offence has been committed. In this case an analogy requires many people, but what difference is it if a thousand people stand on the pavement outside a shop entrance effectively preventing other shoppers from entering, due to weight of numbers? Sure, the police can ask people to move on, which is the same as closing those open connections, no?

    Since most electronic systems only enact operations which have equivalents in the physical world, I do not see how it would be right to create a law which makes the electronic equivalent illegal, when the physical original is not. This use of legislation creates the likes of the DMCA.

    The Computer Misuse Act is a rare example of a really *good* law which is (1) broad enough to capture most offenders (2) easily tested for applicabilty i.e. not complicated with exceptions, extensions, etc and (3) not so vague that it is open to abuse.

    1. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by irw · · Score: 1

      Hmm, thinking about it, does anyone know if there is a charge of criminal harassment?

    2. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Denial of service is probably very difficult to encode in a similar fashion, since I do not see what *criminal* offence it would equate to.

      I don't know, seems like a fairly straightforward case of criminal damage to me.

      Criminal Damage - Other:
      Deliberately, or recklessly, destroying or damaging items, excluding dwellings, buildings or vehicles that belong to someone else (not counted elsewhere).

      Maybe if any English solicitors or law students are reading they could explain why this was not the charge in the first place, does criminal damage only count for physical damage?

    3. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by Odiumjunkie · · Score: 1
      The Computer Misuse Act is a rare example of a really *good* law which is (1) broad enough to capture most offenders (2) easily tested for applicabilty i.e. not complicated with exceptions, extensions, etc and (3) not so vague that it is open to abuse.

      From TFA:
      The CMA, which was introduced in 1990, does not specifically include a denial-of-service attack as a criminal offense, something some members of the U.K. parliament want changed. However, it does explicitly outlaw the "unauthorized access" and "unauthorized modification" of computer material. Section 3 of the act, under which the defendant was charged, concerns unauthorized data modification and tampering with systems.

      You think that a law that outlaws "unauthorized [sic] access" of computer material is a good law? Authorised by whom? Some arbitrary publisher of material? Why not set up www.you're-not-allowed-to-look-at-this.com and launch a criminal suit against anyone who has a peek? In fact, you are officially NOT AUTHORISED to read this message. Please give post your e-mail address so I can send details of the criminal suit against you 5 million times.

    4. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's computers systems, not computer material. I assume you're reading this as meaning any digital data, e.g. so by making a copy of something or bypassing software security on your own machine you're breaking the law...that isn't the case (well it may be under copyright law, but not the CMA).

      The access is [un]authorised by the person who owns the system you're gaining access to.

      By putting up a public website or posting on a public bulletin board you're authorising everyone to access your content, but as said the CMA is about the system hosting the content, not the content itself.

    5. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by Odiumjunkie · · Score: 1
      It's computers systems, not computer material. I assume you're reading this as meaning any digital data, e.g. so by making a copy of something or bypassing software security on your own machine you're breaking the law...that isn't the case (well it may be under copyright law, but not the CMA)...By putting up a public website or posting on a public bulletin board you're authorising everyone to access your content, but as said the CMA is about the system hosting the content, not the content itself.

      From the Computer Misuse Act http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1990/Ukpga_1990001 8_en_2.htm#mdiv1

      1.--(1) A person is guilty of an offence if-- (a) he causes a computer to perform any function with intent to secure access to any program or data held in any computer; (b) the access he intends to secure is unauthorised; and (c) he knows at the time when he causes the computer to perform the function that that is the case.

      No mention of circumventing any kind of security protection. The act simply states that causing a computer to access data you aren't authorised to access is an offence.

      In what way does putting up a website authorise the public to access it? There's loads of stuff kept in websites (credit card records, etc) that I'm not allowed to access. There's a common sense distinction between a public website (i.e. one with no security measures blocking access) and a private, protected website, but there's no distinction under this law. Under this act, starting an unsecured website containing priviledged data would allow you to prosecute anyone who viewed it.

      I'm not saying that any judge would accept such a prosecution, I'm simply pointing to it to show that this law is complete bollocks. Anything as vague as "unauthorised access" without specific mention of the process of authorisation of the necessery presence of mechanisms to prevent unauthorised access has no place in a law.

    6. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by irw · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Why not set up www.you're-not-allowed-to-look-at-this.com and launch a criminal suit against anyone who has a peek? In fact, you are officially NOT AUTHORISED to read this message.

      You wouldn't get very far with this argument. Anything placed on a website is published. Anything published is public, therefore access is de facto authorised.

      Now obviously you can put access controls on a website. But then you've taken a step to define authorised access. If you give someone a username and password, you've granted access. If someone obtains a username or password without permission, that's unauthorised. If someone bypasses this access control (and this bypass would probably have to be non-trivial; so if for example someone could cut and paste a URL which went directly to the material without being prompted, this would not apply) then it is unauthorised.

      I personally think that "computer material" was a bad choice of phrase, and that "computer system(s)" is more appropriate. I cannot think of a way in which access controls could be devised which would NOT involve the owner of a computer system defining (at least implicitly) "authorised access". I'd make the assumption that in giving permission to put computer material on a computer system the owner of the material has agreed with the owner of the system on what arrangements are made for authorised access.

      If my reading is correct it means a court gets to decide what is or is not authorised based on the circumstances, which is the Right Way IMO. Putting every conceivable situation in the Act would either be draconian or prone to loopholes as previously unconsidered situations arise.

      Please give post your e-mail address so I can send details of the criminal suit against you 5 million times.

      You're joking, of course. I suspect you could be charged with harassment (though maybe not criminally) and I would seek an injunction to stop you. Furthermore, the fact that you have made a threat which you are capable of carrying out might be common assault (which is a criminal offence).

    7. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by irw · · Score: 1
      Under this act, starting an unsecured website containing priviledged data would allow you to prosecute anyone who viewed it.

      No it would not. If the owner of the priveleged data put it on an unsecured website that is their problem, just as if they printed it and left it in public view on their front desk.

      The offence was committed when the website owner obtained the data without authorisation from the data owner (and assumes they used a computer to do so).

    8. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by Odiumjunkie · · Score: 1
      No it would not. If the owner of the priveleged data put it on an unsecured website that is their problem

      Can you explain to me how the law in question in any way suggests that claim?

      just as if they printed it and left it in public view on their front desk.

      Yeah, I agree, if it was print it would be ridiculous... that's why I think this is an entirely stupid law.

      The offence was committed when the website owner obtained the data without authorisation from the data owner (and assumes they used a computer to do so).

      ...and what part of the that makes it necessary for the website to have some kind of security feauture? A website is not "public domain" in legal terms, if I publish something on my website, I still hold copyright for it, I'm still liable for it, I still own it. If someone comes onto my webserver and accesses data, I'm not "authorising" them to do it simply by not securing it. That's like saying I'm "authorising" someone to come into my house by leaving the door unlocked. The law makes absolutely no mention of the data having to be secured. Not password-protecting something does not give implicit authorisation to view it. Where does your arbitrary distinction come in?

    9. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by gedhrel · · Score: 1

      Yes. It's repeatedly abused in the UK by authorities. If you email someone twice on the same subject they can file a harrassment case; this has been used by board members against "ethical protesters" in a few fairly-well-publicised "dirty borough" cases. Similarly arrests for "staring at a building" amongst other great charges.

    10. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by Odiumjunkie · · Score: 1
      Anything placed on a website is published. Anything published is public, therefore access is de facto authorised.

      You're making spurious claims entirely unsupported by the law in question. Again, to quote from the law in question;

      (2) The intent a person has to have to commit an offence under this section need not be directed at-- (a) any particular program or data; (b) a program or data of any particular kind; or (c) a program or data held in any particular computer.

      Data that isn't accesible by the internet is clearly a "particular kind of data". Saying that storing something on a webserver is publishing it because it can be accessed over the internet is like saying that posting something to someone by mistake gives them the right to read it, or that leaving your company door unlocked gives your competitors the right to examine all your company documents. Making access possible is not the same as authorising access.

      Now obviously you can put access controls on a website. But then you've taken a step to define authorised access. If you give someone a username and password, you've granted access. If someone obtains a username or password without permission, that's unauthorised. If someone bypasses this access control (and this bypass would probably have to be non-trivial; so if for example someone could cut and paste a URL which went directly to the material without being prompted, this would not apply) then it is unauthorised.

      From where did you get this assertion that unless it's secured, it's freely accesible by all? If I leave my bike unlocked, am I "publishing" it? Do I have to keep a lock on it all the time to "define authorised access"?

      And from where did you get this assertion that some security controls count and some don't? Limewire Pro used to be protected by just a hidden url. The content streams of many porn sites are simply hidden urls. Is this copyrighted content available to all with no legal ramifications? What kind of rational legal basis are you using to construct these bizarre claims? If you think that typing in a url can't be a crime, take a gander at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/11/tsunami_ha cker_followup/ (old news I know, but it appears some people didn't get the message.

      You are essentially creating an entirely new legal standard, that property needs to be protected to be owned. I call bullshit on that, especially if you're going to then differentiate between different levels of protection.

      If my reading is correct it means a court gets to decide what is or is not authorised based on the circumstances

      There is nothing in the law to suggest that. The law states that securing anauthorised access intentionally is a criminal offence. I'm not saying that's right, I'm saying it's stupid. Leaving it up to a court to decide when it should be illegal is a total misunderstanding of what laws are for. I'm not saying that a court would find someone guilty for accessing a website, only that this law gives them the technical power to, and that makes an ass of the law.

    11. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by mattpalmer1086 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think the CMA does need updating to take account of DOS attacks.

      Your analogy with physical world crimes is very good. I particularly like your example of 1000 people standing outside a shop preventing legitimate customers from entering.

      However, if gatherings of 1000 people outside shops to prevent commerce became (a) commonplace and (b) possible to do anonymously, I think we might see a law against "prevention of commerce", or even "denial of service" in the physical world too.

      There is no particular reason to privilege the physical world over the digital. I agree that in many cases "new" technological crimes are not new crimes at all; merely old crimes in new clothes. In these cases, there should be no need for new legislation, just an acknowledgement that a new medium or avenue for the crime has become possible.

      However, new technology sometimes opens up entirely new crimes, or makes a crime possible that was not economic or otherwise feasible before. This is the case with DOS attacks.

    12. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by drivekiller · · Score: 1

      Taking a different example, such as opening thousands of connections to a server with intent to deprive others' of access to it, I still can't see what equivalent physical world *criminal* offence has been committed. In this case an analogy requires many people, but what difference is it if a thousand people stand on the pavement outside a shop entrance effectively preventing other shoppers from entering, due to weight of numbers? Sure, the police can ask people to move on, which is the same as closing those open connections, no?

      No. Consider if I dump a load of rocks in front of your business. Now your customers can't get into your office. You can haul the rocks away yourself, but you'll probably be wanting me to pay for it, maybe you'll want me to pay for the business you lost while you were busy dealing with my rocks; perhaps you'll want a little help from the law to encourage me not to do it again.

    13. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by irw · · Score: 1
      Okay, you've got some good points there which I hadn't considered, particularly considering my example of pasting URLs. I was wrong on that point.

      Some things I would like to take issue with, though.

      You're making spurious claims entirely unsupported by the law in question. Again, to quote from the law in question;

      I think you're misreading this. The intention as far as I can see is to prevent a defence of exemption. That is, to make the act of breaking in an offence (irrespective of target).

      From where did you get this assertion that unless it's secured, it's freely accesible by all? If I leave my bike unlocked, am I "publishing" it? Do I have to keep a lock on it all the time to "define authorised access"?

      That's absurd. Bad analogy. Physical property can't be published. Reading an essay you had written and left lying around would not deprive you of the essay. Even making a copy would not deprive you of the essay. Don't try to equate anything in the CMA with Theft, there's no parallel.

      So I'll refine my claim that anything on a website is published. Anything placed on a publically-visible website and requiring no subterfuge to view (i.e. on the front page, or reachable via a link or chain of links from the front page) MUST have been placed there with the intention that other people can see it (and with no control on who those people might be). The material has therefore been made public by the actions of the owner. This is plain common sense.

      The point I am trying to make is about intent and unauthorised. Reading CMA 1990 (1)(1)(b) and (c) makes this clear:

      (b) the access he intends to secure is unauthorised; and (c) he knows at the time when he causes the computer to perform the function that that is the case.

      It is impossible for a person to know that access is unauthorised if the material is publically visible (in a public place, e.g. on a website) with no access controls (subject to my capitulation above regarding a chain of links). Ergo no intent.

      This is where I make my claim that the court gets to decide based on the circumstances - the court gets to decide intent.

    14. Re:computer misuse act does NOT need updating by irw · · Score: 1

      Can you explain to me how the law in question in any way suggests that claim?


      It establishes intent (or lack thereof) on the part of the person accused. See one of my other replies for details.


      ...and what part of the that makes it necessary for the website to have some kind of security feauture?


      If it doesn't, you cannot show intent, as above.



      A website is not "public domain" in legal terms, if I publish something on my website, I still hold copyright for it, I'm still liable for it, I still own it.


      What's public domain doing in this argument? Why are we talking about copyright? I said "published". Like a book. I.e. in public view.


      Offtopic, but incidentally, you're also wrong. If it's covered under copyright, you do not own it. You own the copyright to it. If it's data, you can own it, but there is no copyright (raw data has no artistic expression).

  26. Do not underestimate the power of the darkmail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anotehr case of The 'Darkmail' Attack Vector and people getting away with it. Yes it is a bit lame mail bombing someone but I think it's easy to underestimate the damage a mail bomb attack can do to a business - and on a sliding scale, the smaller the business the more damage it does. I linked to a paper which explains it all - if my company got hit, we would have some serious problems no doubt.

  27. Thank you! by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

    I wondered how long it would take for someone to notice that I had typed 128Mbits/s and 512Mbits/s...

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  28. Attack? by FreakUnique · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just because this guy sent x amount of emails it doesn't take away the fact that he destroyed a computer network infrstructure, which can be applied as criminal damage. That can be recompensed by the criminal for replacing the equipment and lost revenue. On a similar note, some berk's managed to ping my website into submission so that it cannot be view for the rest of the month. If I ever find who did it then there will be serious hell to pay.

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    1. Re:Attack? by irw · · Score: 1
      Just because this guy sent x amount of emails it doesn't take away the fact that he destroyed a computer network infrstructure, which can be applied as criminal damage.

      The sending of emails was using the system in the manner for which it was designed. If the system cannot cope, design a better system.

      If you send a 30-ton package via airmail and the plane crashed because it was overladen, that's not your fault. The package should have been refused. Similarly, the email system designer should/could have kept a count of incoming connections and/or total emails received and alerted an admin when a predetermined threshold was reached.

      There is no criminal damage because the system was not "destroyed" it failed, just as a bridge will fail if there it carries load beyond its design limit.

    2. Re:Attack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By "ping my website into submission so that it cannot be view for the rest of the month," do you mean that tehy just used up the bandwidth in your cheapass limited-monthly-transfer hosting account? I hope you don't host anything that MATTERS in a hosting solution like that..

    3. Re:Attack? by FreakUnique · · Score: 1

      No the jerk somehow brute cracked my non English word password (don't even think my password actually exists in any English directory), I have no keyloggers on my PC as I keep a close eye on it.

      Once they got into my account, they then uploaded an MP and must have made a link for people to download the thing.

      Don't jump to conclusions becuase you generally end up stuck in the tar like substance called a logic loop.

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  29. One word: Mischeif by darkonc · · Score: 1
    A charge of Mischeif covers just about anything nasty you can think of. The reference pointed to is Canadian law, but I presume that British law contains an equivalent (since Canadian and British law were only disconnected in the last century or so).
    430. (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
    (a) destroys or damages property;
    (b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
    (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
    . . . . .
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  30. Why?!?!? by mark-t · · Score: 1
    Article does not say...

    What the f*** was he sending that many emails for in the first place?

    Because even if the law that dinged him is outdated, if DOS'ing (or even as simple as making mishchief) _was_ his intent, given the results, criminal activity was present (it seems that he just got charged specifically with the wrong thing).

  31. No case here by matt+me · · Score: 1

    There's no case for prosecuting children for a minor one-time assualt, when every minute the organised crime syndicate of marketeers known as spammers continue their mass harrassment of the entire population to a far worse extent.

    Slashdot had better hope so or else they could be eligible for DoS prosecution.

  32. The Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello,

    I'm the defendant in the case, perhaps you should be asking yourself why i did what i did and whether i felt it to be justified?

    Anyway..

    The current law stands as this:

    1) Each individual email was authorised, (not unauthorised) - because you installed the mail server application. It's the same as if someone came up to your house with a skip-full of pizza leaflets and put them through your door. You have a letter box thing - you authorise the email.

    2) CMA 1990 states that acts under Section 3 cannot be held liable for criminal damage.

    3) To cause an offence under the CMA, I have to firstly show INTENT to NOT only cause modification, but to also impair functionaily to the machine or the reilability of the data. not ONLY do i have to do this, but i have to have the "requisite knowledge" that what i was doing was authorised. Based on the fact that a) i believe by installing a mail server you authorise mail, and for another reason I can't disclose yet in case of appeal, there was no requisite knowledge, therefore no offence has taken place.

    4) SPAM Laws - The Privacy and Electronic Communications Act 2003 protects against spam email.. but that covers companies only, and not individuals.

    5) I could have easily easily been succesfully prosecuted for harrasment. However, the CPS decided to be clever and do it under the CMA. That was silly.

    6) - Based on 5 - if you do decide to send 5 million emails, you do not break the CMA*. you do however, break harrasment law.

    *Provided the emails were of HFC Standard - text only, with no payload. If you included a payload such as a virus/trojan etc etc, you cause further modification to the computer system without consent, therefore breaching the CMA.

  33. bad PR by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    It's not worth it to the company.