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Pirates Thwarted by Sonic Weapon

Kristian Hermansen was one of dozens to submit a story about would be pirates attempting to take control of a cruise ship of the coast of Africa, only to be twarted by some sort of sonic weapon known as an LRAD, or Long Range Acoustic Device.

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  1. I call B.S. by tkrotchko · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Sounds like an ad placement by the company making/selling them. No quotes, nobody identifiable. Same as that lady who microwaved her cat, or the kids who found razor blades in the halloween goodies, or that toilets flush the other way below the equator.

    And even if true, next time, won't the pirates just wear earplugs?

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  2. Just a point.... by FreakyControl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Only to be thwarted by? From TFA, "The subsidiary of Carnival Corp. was investigating whether the weapon was successful in warding off the pirates, he said. The ship's captain also changed its course, shifted into high speed and headed out into the open sea to elude the pirates, who were in two small boats, he said. He had no further details."

    I'm sure it certainly contributed, but they're not even sure it actually was the reason why the pirates weren't able to catch them.

  3. If you want to really annoy the pirates by jeffs72 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Instead of the siren from a smoke detector, use a tape loop of my 20 month old crying becase we won't let her continue to throw things down our stair case. Or maybe some britanny spears really loud, or any boy band music at all (NYKOB for teh win).

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  4. travel where u arent welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some suggest arming cruise ships. But being armed on the high seas itself, sadly, can be considered an act of hostility. For example, would we want armed boats anywhere in our vicinity .. even if they technically were in international waters? Only lightly armed? .. but they have to be long range enough to deter or eliminate threats.. correct? The problem is, which boats can be armed and not considered threats? And no you can't just go by flag or registration (which can be stolen/faked). Also you can't tell what people look like from a distance cause they can put makeup/disguise.

  5. Be Greedo by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A bit OT but fun to know...

    Pirates do exist, and account for nearly $16b in losses annually. If you're interested in a career like Han Solo, piracy is an option.

    Most pirates today work between Eritria and Mumbai. Seychelles is very casual about accepting boats without valid port histories. The pirate ships are often large yachts with fast ciggy boats for docking. Glocks and Kalishies are the norm. The dress is much like the old pirate look -- bandanas, beards, loose shirts, etc.

    Pirate robbers make the news often, yet most pirates are smugglers (food, drugs, medicine and health equipment). Countries with US/UN embargoes pay well -- 400% over the white market rate.

    Cuba was easy money until 9/11, now we have our Coast Guard pretending to fight terrorism but actually destroying the free market in smuggling.

    Malaysia has a growing piracy need as the government gets more religious. Somalia and Sri Lanka both ignore the pirates like Seychelles.

    Take a trip to Dubai or Seychelles. Hook up with the right crowd and you can make 6 figures easily.

    Arrrrr!

    1. Re:Be Greedo by dada21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seychelles is strict on crimes committed on the Isles. But their immigration at the port is very laissez faire. I'll be going back to Dubai (and hopefully Seychelles) in a few months, and I actually was intending to do a web
      documentary about opportunities in working in the Indian Ocean black market. Robbery is wrong, but smuggling and violating tariffs/embargoes is A-OK to me.

    2. Re:Be Greedo by dada21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Somalia is a tough one for anarchocapitalists. Some people say its a terrorist blood-curdling country of death and nihilism. Others say that some of the overlords are very fair and the liberty is great. I haven't personally visited, but I would like to, just to see.

      Traveling to countries that seem scary in the news is fun and I recommend it for everyone with a little bit of courage. It was one of the prime reasons I gave up government -- visiting Cuba 13 years ago, visiting Persia/Iraq before the second war, and visiting parts of the Saud region such as Dubai (freer than America every was and every will be in every way, including free religion). Now the lady and I travel more to the "worst" places only to see that they're sometimes better than what I see in my own Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York. In fact, even Ethiopia is a gorgeous country with wealth and opportunity. Just don't go living in the desert allowing your government to walk all over you.

    3. Re:Be Greedo by dada21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm all for arming boats with heavy weapons. The ICC and other government cartels need these international laws in order to protect their Navy monopolies. I'm anti-piracy but pro-smuggling, but most smugglers are affiliated with piracy groups as well. Although in reality most of these pirates aren't organized as a large group (RIAA style?), they do generally have their own territories and shipping lanes. It amazes me that more ships aren't attacked, especially with the anti-heavy weapons laws that are more heavily enforced than the protection of the shipping lanes.

      To be honest, everyone I know with a yacht in deep waters already carries decent guns for protection. It is pretty easy to dump them if you're boarded by a coast guard or naval vessel.

    4. Re:Be Greedo by iabervon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, heavy weapons would just make ships more valuable targets for pirates. Cruise ship crews just aren't going to be very attentive, especially since pirate attacks are rare, and once they're in boarding range, rockets aren't going to be a good idea. And rockets would work really well against the sorts of ships that pirates target, so they'd be eager to get them. It's better to have an LRAD, which is effective at repelling the pirates, but not a weapon they'd be able to use effectively.

    5. Re:Be Greedo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd say that any of the common military-caliber rifles (5.56x45, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 7.62x51) would probably be a good idea. The H&K G3 and G36 and the M16 come to mind right off. Something full-auto like the FN M240 (7.62x51mm belt-fed) wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea for the big boys either. That's not really long-range or powerful enough to do much to a large ship, but would deter speedboats pretty well. Bigger stuff might be possible, but probably nothing larger than 30mm ADEN cannon, or the high-velocity US 25mm units. Anything much over 30mm can seriously chew up a warship, if they catch 'em with their pants down.

      Anything on a fixed, remote-operated mount like the Bofors 57mm, OTO Melara 76mm Super Rapide, AK-130 130mm or United Defense 127mm/62 would be horrible overkill. One well-placed 127mm round can collapse a smallish multistory building without too much trouble, or blow the turret clean off a T80 main battle tank.

    6. Re:Be Greedo by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, .50 caliber machine guns are used on boats against fast-moving rubber vehicles the bad guys use to attack/board. A gun of this caliber destroys any rubber or fiberglass hull bad guys are using. Rockets are unnecessary overkill.

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  6. Re:interesting... by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pirates are a major concern from the horn of Africa to SE Asia.

    Seaborne piracy against transport vessels remains a significant problem (with estimated worldwide losses of $13 to $16 billion USD per year)

    More info can be obtained form Wikipedia.

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  7. The pirates are my cousins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hard to believe right? I am from the coastal city of Bosaso on the horn of Africa, and some of my relatives took pride in their high-seas piracy. I have always heard of illegal Japanese and Norwegian ships illegaly fishing in our shores, while Somalis, with not central government and coast guard, sat around in anger and frustration.

    This piracy started as a way to defend our coast-lines from illegal international fishing. Somalia hasn't had a government since 1990, and our fish resources became the loot of international fishing conglomerates. Others have used our coast to dump their waste, even nuclear waste.

    After the fall of the Somali government, our coast guard's ships and vessels were looted by tribes. Some of our ships and boats were sold to illegal fishing companies, which didn't go far but stayed to fish in our waters! While other boats stayed in the hands of tribal leaders and warlords who used them for piracy and people smuggling to the middle east, although more often as a vehicle for products and trade with Yemen, our neighbor to the North.

    It's funny how companies registered in Democratic developed nations, and pay their taxes there, are the ones looting our natural resources and using our sea and land to dump their waste.

    http://gurukul.ucc.american.edu/ted/somalia.htm

    http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=249 733&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__africa/

    http://somalinet.com/news/world/Somalia/1063

    I wish the international community would deploy high-tech sonic weapons to defend us against real theives, not just pirates, blinded and deafended by greed.

    - Mahammad Darwish

  8. Re:And if it wasnt for.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Thank goodness they had one of these devices lying around!
    Do all cruise ships have one or two of these acoustic devices, now?
    In case of mutiny or pirates or rioting?

    And how soon before there is a prosumer version that I can install in my car, to swap out the horn?

  9. You don't hear much in the US by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because of the Coast Guard. US waters are essentially free of pirates. Now I suppose that could depend on your definition, some peopel considder smugglers that use ships to be pirates and we do have drug smugglers that come in by sea, but in terms of pirates attacking ships it's essentially zero. The Coast Guard has a very active presence and there's little that can be done about them. An attack on a Coast Guard ship is an act of war and they then can (and will) scream to any navy ships in the area for support, and they navy will come and sink your ass (also some CG ships have reasonably large deck guns).

    However in many areas of the world, particularly Africa but also South America and Asia to an extent, where there's not sucha powerful sea patrol, it's more common than you'd think.

  10. 150 decibels only slaps at the problem... by afabbro · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...200 decibels solves it.

    (Wikipedia notes that "Sound levels of around 200 dB can cause death to humans").

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  11. Re:LRAD addendum by TropicalCoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some links from my research: Hypersonic Sound: Popular Science http://www.prisonplanet.com/audios_the_next_big_th ing.html Popular Mechanics http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/audio/1 279591.html (explains acoustic heterodyning) Sorry - I've lost the link that said commercial ships at sea are not allowed to use heavy weapons by international treaty. It was in a story published on Sunday, March 6, 2004 by the Los Angeles Times but that factual tidbit was not from an authority anyway, and no source was provided for it.

  12. Re:LRAD Countermeasure? by po8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Add a nice big parabolic dish of your own, and see how good the originator's ear protection is.

  13. On Aircraft Carrier by Scorchmon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've actually seen one of these on a US navy aircraft carrier. I was on the flight deck of the USS Carl Vinson when we were going through the Suez Canal, and one of the officers was showing off this device towards the forward end of the flight deck which looked like a speaker on a stand. It had a panel with a bunch of standard phrases and warnings and different languages to broadcast voice messages. It also had settings for unpleasant noises to ward the target off. He only demonstrated it with the volume turned down very low, but he basically said that with the volume turned up it's pretty painful.

  14. Re:LRAD by Robotbeat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am doing acoustic beam-forming (well, the reverse process, actually) for my senior undergraduate Physics research. I am using a ~10 foot array of 64 microphones in a sort of spiral pattern. You wouldn't actually need to have a physical reflecting device, since you can just use an array of speakers to form a beam. This makes the "Minority Report"-type of directional speakers easier to aim, since you can aim them without any moving parts (besides the sound production, of course), and also you can use a single array to aim at multiple targets simultaneously and dynamically.

  15. Re:Non-lethal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    >Apparently some mis-guided politicians set up an international treaty that prevents
    >non-military ship from carrying weapons

    How do you definitely distinguish non-military and military ships if both kinds are fully armed? Well, you can't. In a war this would effectively mean all vessels in sight are fair game ==> you get Lousitania on the cube and so a lot of civilian coffins.

    The treaty is very right. It is the world navies' task to patrol the high seas and hang the pirates they find from the mast. Passanger, fishing and cargo ships should hold to their own jobs. Sorrowfully this important anti-piracy mission seems abandoned by most navies of today and we should remind our governments to do their job.