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Leaked Memo Gives Microsoft New Direction?

daria42 writes "An e-mail memo sent from Microsoft chairman Bill Gates to top execs at Microsoft has been leaked, revealing the executive wants his company to hurriedly change its focus and start to tap online advertising and services as new revenue sources. In the e-mail, Gates cites another, earlier memo, sent from MS exec Ray Ozzie, in which Ozzie also warns MS of the importance of focusing on the online medium. 'It's clear that if we fail to do so, our business as we know it is at risk,' Ozzie wrote. 'We must respond quickly and decisively. We should've been leaders with all our web properties in harnessing the potential of Ajax, following our pioneering work in OWA (Outlook Web Access),' he continued. 'We knew search would be important, but through Google's focus they've gained a tremendously strong position.'"

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  1. Next up by SilverspurG · · Score: 4, Insightful
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    In the memo, Gates cites an earlier missive from Ray Ozzie, outlining the importance of tapping online advertising and services as new revenue sources.
    Next up for Windows Longhorn: A brand new desktop popup ad API complete with billboard-type access to the background pic. No more questionably ethical malware required--it's now part of the OS.

    Oh, and you, the user, don't get the revenue. That is reserved exclusively to MS. It'll be in the EULA.
    Microsoft is proposing its own rival to PDF, known as Metro, with Windows Vista, its new operating system that is due out next year.
    That's just what we need: another "me too!" document format. Oh for crying out loud. Windows is fast becoming the toilet with a toaster, cordless drill, leaf blower, and pencil holder built in. It's the Chewbacca Defense of featureware.

    Gates, Ballmer, Ozzie, et al: I'm going to give you a hint which will help you. I'm not supposed to do this because I'm a Linux fanatic but I'm going to do it anyway because you seem to be retarded and it makes me feel good inside to help those who are less fortunate than I am. Do you really want to stay in the game? Figure out what your job is, define it, simplify it, and do it well before you try to branch out like some mutating cancerous amoeba. Drop all the featureware that's in your OS and concentrate on simplifying, standardizing, and securing the 600 layers beneath what the users see. There, I've even invented a new 3S meme for your PR campaign--and I claim full IP on it right here on /. You can start paying me the moment I see it used in your quarterly report.

    Young, energetic, and emerging Linux devs would do well to follow the same advice before they take Linux down the same path that MS forged years ago.
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    1. Re:Next up by khakipuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess when you are worth $40 billion you can tell Bill how to run his business.

      Fact is that most people don't care about the locking mechanism of their car, or it's cylinder diameter or stroke; they didn't by their DVD player because of its tech spec; they don't know the soil type in their garden or the geology unerlying their house. And ... (hope all the Slashdotter's are sitting down) ... they don't care about OS security or a few bugs.

      If people can plug in their latset gizmo and have it work 7 times out of 10 then they are happy enough. For most people the computer at work is reasonably well locked down and works 95% of the time. The home machine is a toy, if it fails they can't play for a while and I know many who are happy to assume that, like a lot of consumer electronics, when it stops working you go a get a new one (even if it stopped because it was shot through with viruses and bugs). Most people have too much other stuff to consume their time to care about quality of the underlying technology/infrastructure/design/geology...

      Bill knows this and knows what sells, "wasting" time on fixing security holes and the like does not deliver more profit to the shareholders. And as for making Slashdotters happy - why should he, he'll never persuade some people to use his software because they are ideologaiclly opposed to Microsoft, whatever it does.

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    2. Re:Next up by jkrise · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fact is ... And ... (hope all the Slashdotter's are sitting down) ... they don't care about OS security or a few bugs...

      Fact is.. this is Slashdot. For the rare Joe ServicePack reading these pages, he ought to be better informed. Not mis-informed.

      Bill knows this and knows what sells, "wasting" time on fixing security holes and the like does not deliver more profit to the shareholders.

      If enough developers got informed about the real Directions at Microsoft and stayed away from the Windows platform, the shareholders would turn a pck of hungry wolves. Ordinary users would have few, if any worthwhile apps to run on their Windows boxes.

      Once they start using Firefox and Opera and get comfy with the interface, they'd rapidly change the engine as well.

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    3. Re:Next up by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I honestly think that's less true than it used to be; in the last few years I've heard a lot of non-technical people complaining about how insecure and unstable Windows is. They may not always -- in fact usually don't -- use the terminology correctly, and they're often clueless as to how to prevent problems or fix them when they occur, but they're aware of the problem ... and that a lot of it is not "just the way computers are," that there are other OSs and that maybe "throw it away when it breaks and get a new one" is not really a solution they should need to resort to.

      It's like with cars. First they were the toys of hobbyists, who expected to have to tinker with them all the time just to make them run. Now they're quite reliable for a very long time, as long as the user does very simple things to keep them running; even if you can't do anything more complex than filling up the gas tank yourself, you know where to go for anything else the car needs, and maintenance is pretty standardized these days. But there was a long, long intermediate period in which cars were very common if not universal, clearly consumer goods rather than the domain of specialists, but were still terribly unreliable and it it was a good idea for anyone who drove one to carry a complete toolkit and the knowledge of how to use it. And if you didn't? Well, sooner or later you'd be stranded on the side of the road. People bitched about this state of affairs, but they still drove -- but when truly reliable cars began coming on the market, there was no question about what they'd prefer.

      In case the analogy isn't entirely clear, I think personal computing in general is starting to move into the third stage. Microsoft is quite firmly stuck in the second. They may very well be able to change this -- Ford did; perhaps more relevantly, IBM did when business computing underwent the same transition -- but it's going to take a real effort, and I don't see much sign of it so far.

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    4. Re:Next up by dodobh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The brilliant people have different areas of interest. If I earn enough to pay for my living, a few toys and a bit of savings, I am happy. It might not be your metric of success, but mine is the amount of happiness I feel, and the social benefit of what I do. Neither of which is measured in monetary terms.

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    5. Re:Next up by mysticgoat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      while simplifying, standardizing, and securing is an excellent mantra, I don't think it addresses Microsoft's core problem.

      Microsoft is arguably the most successful entrepreneural endeavor, ever. But it's stuck in that mode when it should have grown beyond it years ago.

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      The normal development for a successful entrepreneur business is to either break into an existing market or develop a new market and exploit it until rich. Microsoft has certainly done both, and shown itself to be really good at these things. But then the next step is to move from the entrepreneural behaviors to the behaviors of a capitalist, using the newly acquired wealth to secure solid, long term positions across a broad range of economic activities. Microsoft has not done that; instead it sits on this massive war chest of liquid assets. At this point MS labels should be showing up on bakery products, in the credits of movies and tv shows, on clothing and fashion accessories, and at the very least on computer hardware and data storage and conversion service providers. But we don't see that. Instead we see massive amounts of money poured into gambles that often don't pay off.

      Instead of broad-based long term investments, MS has this huge pile of liquid assets (and that is an excellent way of visualizing the absurdity of managing a multi billion dollar war chest-- as a pile of liquids). And it has only two serious revenue generators: the Windows OS and MS Office. There should be dozens of revenue streams from a broad range of sources feeding the MS monolith at this point; that huge corporate structure should not be supported by only these two legs. But that is the way it is. Microsoft's vision of the future may be more acute than anyone else's, but it is certainly too narrow, too tightly focused, to be economically healthy.

      Microsoft is in danger of falling apart. Not because Linux is beginning to cut into Windows sales or because the expense of meeting Vista's hardware requirements are going to cause a lot of MS's repeat business to go to other OSs. Nor is Microsoft at risk because OO.o offers an increasingly attractive alternative to MS Office. These things are true but if it wasn't Linux and OO.o, there would be other contenders in their place.

      Microsoft is in danger of falling apart because its upper management has insisted on keeping it in the entrepreneural mind set long after it should have grown out of that childhood and taken on the responsibilities of a mature company. To give you a visual, MS is going to lose it because the mentality that has given us monkey dances and chair-throwing antics is still the mentality that MS top management tolerates and encourages. MS is going to lose it because the people that run the company think that adolescent risk taking is a lot of fun and they would rather do that than spend their time doing the boring things that executives in mature companies like IBM, General Motors, or Starbucks do.

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    6. Re:Next up by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to disagree on quite a few points here.

      First of all let's get this out of the way:

      Soil type: acidic loam.
      Geology: Granite ledge
      OS Security: Perfectly acceptable, even on XP as I keep the firewall on keep my various apps patched, and don't use any Microsoft software if it can be avoided.

      Now the key point.

      Bill doesn't know what people want to buy. Microsoft has got a huge tin ear when it comes to consumer preferences. When it comes to consumers, their basic approach is to look for somebody who's figured it out (e.g. Palm). They then wage a hellish and assymetric war of attrition in which, backed by their resources, they have considerable leeway for making mistakes, but the opponent has none. When Microsoft does try to dream up stuff on their own (e.g. Bob), they're pretty much always laughably wrong.

      I'm not saying they aren't smart. They're very good on big picture startegy and, perhaps, organizational psychology. They know how to get IT managers to do what they want. They know how to do business deals and how to use advantages they have in one market to advance in another. But understanding consumers? Nope. Are you itching to buy into their online music service? Anyone?

      If people can plug in their latset gizmo and have it work 7 times out of 10 then they are happy enough

      This is very, very wrong. I'd place the bar for "happy" closer to 95/100, not 7/10. People accept 7/10 because they aren't aware there's any choice. Ignorance covers a multitude of sins.

      Think of the people who "hate" computers. There's tons of them. How can this possibly be? Computers are one of the most amazing, fascinating and spectacular inventions humanity has ever made. It's more than an invention -- it's a meta-invention, a think that can reinvent itself from being a calculator to being a music player to being a toy to being a communications device. Drawing on Steve Jobs, who gets consumer behavior, does anybody hate bicycles as a technology?

      No. It's not computers that people hate. It's Windows.

      The reason Windows sucks is that Microsoft is not consumer driven, nor does it have to be. It can afford to follow it's own independent strategic imperatives, and it lets others figure out what consumers actually want, confident in its nearly unique ability to react quickly. So -- consumers start buying iPods and $.99 music downloads? MS would never come up with that kind of idea on its own. But you can bet it's going to take several large and well funded swipes at it.

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    7. Re:Next up by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's actually one of the best MS-related posts I've read in a while.

      I think you're absolutely right -- Microsoft doesn't seem to actually do any market research, instead they just watch the Nasdaq listings to see what new companies are doing really well this year, and figure out what they're doing right, then either buy or copy it. This minimizes their risk and creates the perception that everything they make is gold.

      Personally I'm not a fan of that business model, because I think it hurts the market in general by failing to adequately reward the people who actually innovate. But it's not illegal so I can't fault them too much, they just use what they've got, and it's partially the market's fault for letting them acquire that dominance.

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  2. Ajax by grazzy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, it's great and all, but it'll never change the way the web works. Improve it, yes. Change it? No. You can build as large js-applications as you wish (and yes, spend exponentially as much time debugging them) - you will never escape the fact that you're just building hacks around a stateless technology from pre 90's.

  3. Leaked? by n0dalus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it very hard to believe that anything like this coming from Microsoft is not entirely intentional.
    Microsoft is nothing more than a gargantuan marketing machine. This action is no exception.

  4. How about getting your core product right? by blankoboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bill and friends are too busy running around trying to put out all the fires while they cannot even fix their core product. Bill, clean up your room and then go out and play.

  5. Programming Philosophies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unix: Do one thing, and do it well
    Mac: Do a few things, but be simple, and secure about it
    Windows: Do lots of things, some well, most not, but get them into production fast

  6. Search is a waste of money for MS by sexyrexy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They can spend billions of dollars and they will never catch up with Google, because Google has a position that money can't buy. It's not about Building a Better Browser this time - unless Microsoft manages to completely revolutionize search to where, as Eric Schmidt I believe put it, "it knows what you mean". However, Microsoft does have the right idea at least (we'll have to wait and see if they implement it well) with Live, and web-based productivity tools. Everyone has been deriding MS as "behind the curve" on the web-based, or subscription-based software model, claiming that the likes of Google will kill the desktop-oriented software market, and Microsoft with it, but Microsoft is the first to start rolling out prebetas of said software, while most else is just speculation and vapour.

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  7. Article summary by Dekortage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a nutshell: "We missed the boat again. Smaller companies are beating us. Let's crush them. Go Microsoft!"

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  8. Re:AJAX just another name for the same old? by weierstrass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is Microsoft's typical MO. wait to see which way the bandwagon is going, then jump on it and try to take out the opposition completely with monopolistic practices. They don't lead, they follow.

    GUI's? The internet? Microsoft was clueless until their dominance was threatened.

    One day they'll try and play catch up and fail completely to push out whoever they're pushing around this time. Then the writing will be on the wall for Microsoft.

    Whether it'll be google, AJAX and 'web 2.0' that does it now, or some future bandwagon; too soon to tell.

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  9. This stinks of C#, dotnet, etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This really is ominous news, as it means that MS is going to release - YET ANOTHER - development platform which will surely have a slick interface that n00bz can pick up and drag'n'drop together some basic apps (but experienced programmers will scoff at) which - of course - will only build apps for MS' proprietary platform ... and of course, the only client which will be able to access this new platform is MSIE7 on Vistahorn...

    Nothing to see here people, its just another tactic to lock us in but this time they want to tax us -while- they rape us, rather than just beforehand.

    I know its wishful thinking, but I really hope this goes the way of passport and bob...

    -GenTimJS

  10. Re:Don't give 'em ideas by SilverspurG · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The State Management Mechanism (aka "cookies") was designed the way it was for a reason: privacy
    Insert: false sense of. Cookies, even the ones which aren't personally identifiable, are used mathematically. It's all about collision sets. The only privacy you get from cookies is by flat out refusing to deal with them.
    And they stood the test of time all too well.
    I hope that's the chuckle of sarcasm that I hear.
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  11. At least you can't blame MS for vision by Neeth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This email is nothing new. All over the years Microsoft has proved having a keen eye of what competitors are doing, not for being progressive. They jump on the fastest train.
    Nothing wrong with that, ofcourse. What I think will happen is that while Bill and his fellow Microman are betting on this new horse, Google is already doing something newer. For the users (that's me and you) that only means progression.

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  12. Re:AJAX just another name for the same old? by Frankie70 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    To us brits AJAX is known for been a cleaning product

    When I hear AJAX, I think of Ajax Amsterdam.

  13. A little too late . . . by Dausha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Microsoft is proposing its own rival to PDF, known as Metro, with Windows Vista, its new operating system that is due out next year."

    Perhaps Billy failed to notice this, and I know he personally reads all my posts. The U.S. Federal Court system is accepting electronic delivery of documents. The two formats accepted by the court are WordPerfect and Portable Document Format.

    What Billy is ignoring is the reason PDF is so successful as a format--its everywhere and has been for years. So, to try to come in now with a "new" document format, he'll have to surmount the legacy. Of course, he'll try to do this with some variation of the PCDos bug and Microsoft's unique market position. Although, another reason why PDF is so successful is it builds off of the PostScript file format, which oddly enough is owned by the same company as PDF--Adobe. So, what Billy will have to do is defeat PS.

    All in all, that ZD article shows how grovelly they are toward Microsoft. There's nothing but positive spin on a leaked memo that itself carries little information of nutritional value.

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  14. I dunno about that by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This article was written before GMail.

    It was written before Google Maps, and more importantly, before Google Maps and Google Local combined.

    It was written before Google Movies, and Google Video.

    Frankly, I think Microsoft has at least a year of catching up to do, and that is *because* they are Microsoft. Any other company, I would give them at least double that.

    That is just to match the technology. Then, they have to get marketshare. Sure, they have a huge channel to shove their stuff down (Windows), but Google is in a far better position than Netscape was in it's day. Netscape was still an app that had to be run. Google is a verb. You never saw the Jennifer Lopez talking about how she "Netscaped It" in Maid in Manhattan.

    It is the same reason that Amazon auctions and Yahoo! auctions flounder in obscurity, even though they are cheaper to list on and have basically the exact same feature set as eBay. Ebay has the mindshare. It is featured in Movies and TV constantly. It is a verb. It is so commonplace it will be really a tough nut to crack.

    Not to mention Google also has billions in the bank and is raking in revenue, while Netscape was giving away it's key product for free. They are also in a fa rbetter finiancial position to fight than Netscape ever was.

  15. Re:One Guys Take on How MS Kicks Ass by mspohr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    One important factor here that you have omitted.

    Microsoft has never been successful in an area where they couldn't leverage their desktop monopoly. Since they don't have a monopoly on the net, they'll have difficulty here.

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  16. Disruptive innovation strikes again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "We should've been leaders with all our web properties in harnessing the potential of Ajax, following our pioneering work in OWA (Outlook Web Access)"

    Economist Clayton Christensen points out in his books (The Innovator's Dilemma, etc.) that market leaders often develop the technology that does them in. Microsoft is facing a war on two fronts: 1 - Open source is starting to eat their lunch and that trend will continue. 2 - A lot of important things are moving online. People are now doing things for free on the net that they would have done previously with purchased software.

    In his books, Christensen points out that entrenched market leaders usually see what is coming at them but can't adapt their businesses to take advantage of it. He has studied many industries and finds that this is something that usually happens. The bottom line is that even if Microsoft manages to weather the storm, it won't be the same company ten years from now.
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  17. Symptom of a worse disease by Philodoxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the past, Microsoft has been very good at playing catch-up. They have been able to identify an area that the company lacks, and then through a variety of methods such as standardization, guaranteeing interoperability, undercutting, and flat out buying competitors they unify a market and they make a lot of money in the process.

    Microsoft in the past, rightly or not, was seen as a great innovator. I can remember in high school listening to a Microsoft employee talk about his job and being amazed about how fun it sounded to work there. Even though they were playing catch up in a lot of what they were doing, they were able to come off to a lot of people as improving whatever they were copying and pushing it in bold new directions.

    The problem now is that the perception of Microsoft has shifted to a more accurate one: a company that does not innovate, and "borrows" all of its good ideas rather than pushing the limits. This memo just furthers this idea. Online advertising has been done before, it has failed miserably before (anybody remember the dot com burst?) but now that Google has made a successful business model from it, Microsoft suddenly stands at attention and decides to get into the market.

    Right now Microsoft can't even compete with Google in the areas which Google is strong. Even though Microsoft released its "new" search engine, it still only occupies something like 5-10% of users with Google having something like 50%. I realize that Bill Gates desperately wants to kill Google off, because he (rightly) sees the company as a huge threat. The problem is that Google is much better at doing what Google does than Microsoft is.

    If Bill Gates wants to kill Google, he's going to have to find a way to leverage what Microsoft is dominant in (oh say... desktop operating systems) against Google. An even better idea would be to start innovating again, bring back the public perception that Microsoft is a leading edge company and start bringing back really smart people back to the company, and start doing something new.

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  18. Re:Next up ... old coot by gosand · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If people can plug in their latset gizmo and have it work 7 times out of 10 then they are happy enough. For most people the computer at work is reasonably well locked down and works 95% of the time. The home machine is a toy, if it fails they can't play for a while and I know many who are happy to assume that, like a lot of consumer electronics, when it stops working you go a get a new one (even if it stopped because it was shot through with viruses and bugs). Most people have too much other stuff to consume their time to care about quality of the underlying technology/infrastructure/design/geology...

    What you said is true, today. Tomorrow, it won't be. It's a toy? Don't care about the quality of the underlying techonology? If MS works in the "today", they are screwed. They are so huge, it takes them forever to react to what is going on today, let alone see what is going on in the near future. That is why they will fall. They ALL fall eventually.

    Right now, there are millions and millions of people who can avoid using computers and the internet because they are scared of them, because they aren't familiar with them. That will change. Do you realize that in 50 (give or take) years there won't be anyone alive in the industrialized world who grew up not knowing about computers and the internet? (I'll be 85 and hopefullly still here) Kids won't know a world where cellphones and the internet didn't exist. Just as I grew up with televisions, but my parents didn't. The way they grew up with automobiles, but their parents didn't. The way they grew up with telephones, but their parents didn't. It is a shift in the mindset of the populace. The true quality of technology will have to improve, because it will be part of everyone's daily lives. Microsoft is short sighted, IMO. They forgot long ago about technology, and are solely concerned about making money. Period. It will be their downfall, because the demands of technology are only going to increase. I just hope I am alive to see it. I'll be the old coot listening to MP3s while everyone else is ... well, listening to whatever will be the hot technology of the day.

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  19. Only a monopoly.. by tji · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only a monopoly could have this kind of logic..

        PDF has become a ubiquitous standard for sharing documents on the Internet.

    Conclusion for a normal business:
        We better make sure we support PDF as well as possible and make sure our users can take advantage of this defacto standard.

    Conclusion for a monopoly:
        Some other company has managed to carve out a tiny stronghold in our otherwise impenetrable wall of power. We must use our power to overrun this foreign code with our proprietary replica of their technology.

  20. "online advertising and services" by Caspian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is this why they want to buy Claria?

    I trust Microsoft to be responsible in their use of advertisements around as much as I trust, say, AOL to.

    For that matter, why the Mickey Mouse fuck should a company primarily involved in operating systems, office suites, database systems, and video game systems be investigating advertisement?

    I paid (sucker that I am) for Windows. Many times. I paid for Office too. I paid for my Xbox (Well, actually, I traded an old computer for it. I suppose I paid by proxy.). I paid for Microsoft Virtual PC.

    Once I paid for these things, I have every reason in the world to expect that these things should not be used to feed me ads.

    Then again, look at what happened with cable TV. The whole fucking IDEA of cable TV was that you pay for it and it's not broadcast, so therefore [A] people can say "fuck", "shit", "cock" and "motherfucker" on cable and [B] YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE ADS ON CABLE.

    Well, [B] fell by the wayside pretty damned quick, and from what I've heard, the FCC's been trying very hard to destroy [A].

    And people put up with this shit.

    Prediction: Microsoft will experiment with offering a low-cost, ad-supported version of Windows. They may opt to make the 'Home' version of their software ad-supported. At first, it may be ridiculously cheap, or maybe even free (perhaps as a limited-time promotion); after a while, though, they'll find sneaky ways to work ads into all but the 'Corporate' editions of their products.

    And people will just put up with it.

    I wouldn't put that past them, would you?

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  21. You keep using that word.... by Ryan+C. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft's innovation isn't necessarily about radical new ideas.

    I don't think it means what you think it means...

    Dictionary.com:

    2 entries found for innovate.
    innovate Audio pronunciation of "innovate" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-vt)
    v. innovated, innovating, innovates
    v. tr.

            To begin or introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time.

    v. intr.

            To begin or introduce something new.


    Admittedly, Microsoft is good at throwing a ton of money at ideas that are already taking off and refining them into a marketable product, but they can't redefine common english words no matter how much they spend on PR.

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  22. Re:One Guys Take on How MS Kicks Ass by 4of12 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Microsoft has never been successful in an area where they couldn't leverage their desktop monopoly. Since they don't have a monopoly on the net, they'll have difficulty here.

    If they adopt strategies similar to previous, MS needn't have much difficulty. (Not counting paying off a few wasted litigants and regulatory authorities in return for dominance in a multibillion dollar market.)

    They may not have a monopoly on the net, but they have a monopoly on how most people view the net: Windows and Internet Explorer pre-loaded on the PC.

    Imagine a special version of IE "enhanced" with sidebars that show competing advertisements simply by harvesting whatever search keyword is typed into Google. Or show competing advertisements based on a word-frequency count in the content of the user's browsing history. Or have convenient out of the box functionality to have hover-over MSN search results popping up before the user types Enter/Return into Google's text box. Or 541 API calls from every Longhorn-ready application that automagically does MSN search/mail/map. All of could plausibly be called innovation. Part of the OS, in a matter of speaking. You get the idea.

    Granted - MS doesn't control network protocols, the web pages that people decide to visit, the content of those web pages, W3C standards, etc.

    But, because MS controls the single most influential viewer of the web (IE) and strongly sway how people see the web, they can have a huge influence on the many things that they don't control explicitly.

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  23. Re:Competitive threat from Google is exaggerated by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Make no mistake, "Wintel" laptops are Microsoft products.

    They are not manufactured by Microsoft, true.

    Each laptop, however, requires a Windows license to operate (regardless of whether or not you actually _use_ Windows, you pay for the Windows license).

    Each laptop's hardware is engineered to MS's Hardware labs standards. Many of the interfaces in these laptops were is some fashion or other coengineered by Microsoft.

    Video hardware is designed to meet Microsoft's DirectX specifications, as is audio hardware, and even networking hardware.

    Keyboards are designed to meet MS standards, and include MS functionality. Printers, especially the mass-produced cheap ones, are designed around MS's GDI printing standard.

    Your laptop is not a direct Microsoft product, but do not be naive enough to believe that Microsoft does not have quite a few fingers into its design.

    Laptop manufacturers, or their suppliers, pay the Microsoft tax in quite a few iterations, from Windows licenses, to WHQL certification, to DirectX SDKs, and other forms of support/cooperation.

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  24. Re:Competitive threat from Google is exaggerated by MountainBoiler · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How many more computers are out there every year. Sure they sell them every year, but how many are replacements?
    • M$ is a public company, with a fiducial responsibility for growth.
    • Growth these days is in consumer goods (music players, DVRs, etc) OR through the internet.
    • Google is choking M$'s avenue for growth on the internet side.

    It hasn't and can't kill that avenue for growth, but it can reduce how much M$ can practically grow. This makes it darned hard for M$.

  25. Re:Competitive threat from Google is exaggerated by dr.badass · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously folks, how is Google competitively threatening Microsoft?

    By being Google. By being big. By being popular. By having a tremendous amount of momentum. The threat is that Microsoft really doesn't know what they will do. A few years ago Google was a just a search engine. What will they do in the next few years?

    Put another way, in what product categories could you purchase a Google offering instead of a Microsoft offering? Google doesn't offer an operating system product and doesn't offer an office productivity suite.

    So? Maybe they will in the next 5 years. Maybe they won't. In any event, you're taking a very narrow view of competition. Google and Microsoft both have a pretty wide array of products, and quite a few of them are in direct competion.

    The only way that Google will be able to become a genuine competitive threat is if Microsoft makes a serious mistake by heading down its proposed path of competing with Google on Google's browser-based terms.

    So, you're saying that even if Google search crushes MSN search, Google Mail crushes Hotmail, Google Talk crushes MSN Messenger, Google Maps crushes MSN Mappoint, Google Earth crushes Terraserver, Blogger crushes MSN Spaces, Google Desktop crushes MSN Desktop Search, and so on, that Google isn't a threat to Microsoft?

    On top of this both of these companies (and Yahoo! and Amazon, etc.) are going to be spawning a lot of new services in the next few years (e.g. Windows/Office Live), and gobbling up a lot of startups. Even if there is no "crushing" involved, it's foolish to say that there is no competition going on between them.

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