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OpenDocument Gains New Fans
An anonymous reader writes "The OpenDocument format is gathering steam, as several influential companies seek an alternative to Microsoft Office." From the article: "The ODF Summit brought together representatives from a handful of industry groups and from at least 13 technology companies, including Oracle, Google and Novell. That stepped-up commitment from major companies comes amid signs that states are considering getting behind OpenDocument. James Gallt, the associate director for the National Association of State Chief Information Officers, said Wednesday that there are a number of state agencies are exploring the use of the document format standard."
Three years from now OpenDocument will be pervasive (the momentum is getting too great for it to fail now, especially when organizations face just as big of a transition to OfficeXML if they decided to go that route), and the #1 implementation, by far, will be Microsoft Office. All of the state governments will be running Office 12+OpenDocument SP1, and interacting just like they did previously. Of course a document opened in OpenOffice, or others, will be slightly different, and users will attribute it to quirks of OpenOffice, further marginalizing it.
Sidenote: That bloody PIX SPORTS ad does more to encourage ad blocking software than any counter-commercial advocate.
I know this has been speculated on many times before, but I'm convinced that Apple is going to pull something out of the hat with regards to this, may be as soon as next year.
Perhaps an Apple version of openOffice 2.0?
They have to really -- their reliance on Microsoft to produce a Mac version of office has had them in a vice for years, but their agreements are coming to an end and Microsoft's grip is slipping.
Red Hat would be Doc Holiday.
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If you really would like to see Linux of any flavor, Apple, or any alternative to Microsoft's strangehold flourish, do what you can to open the eyes of management folks to open source software. Make a spreadsheet of the number of office employees in your office, multiple the number by the cost of the OS (XP Pro is ~$150) and the cost of MS Office (basic is ~$300), add it up, and show them what could be saved while retaining the functionality (and gaining in some places such as not giving certain employees copies of office on their computer to cut cost when they really need it).
Install Open Office on your workstation and show your boss how visually its similar to Microsoft Office so retraining for basic tasks (spreadsheets, letter documents, etc.) will be minimal. When the question comes up (yes it will) asking about opening attachments on e-mails from people still using Microsoft Office, show them it works and that you can even save in Microsoft's format to send to others.
Review the upgrade frequency of the software used in your office. If you upgrade operating systems every 3 years, explain the benefits of switching to another operating system such as SuSE or Ubuntu as far as your finances go.
I'm sure there are other ways to open eyes of management. If you can think of some, please reply to this and add it.
On a side note, not only will this open people up to alternatives to Microsoft, but the fact that they have stepped back and made a change will only make it easier to change if there is another alternative out there that would better fit the bill. It'll get them thinking.
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Fair competition is always good for the consumer. A document created by a poor child for school under a freely available word processor on an older used computer will be accepted by the teacher. The idiot teacher will not be able to force the child's parents to trade a coat for a wordprocessor. Think I'm kidding, my niece had a science project fail because the document produced in Open Office didn't produce on his MS Word a lower margin of 1 inch, it created a lower margin of 1.25 inches, yes the idiot used a ruler. When he was told that the document was produced in Open Office, his response was "What's that? I said to use Microsoft Word!" and my sister who was an Airman Basic making $800 a month paid $399 for it!
While it's nice that state governments are interested in OpenDocument, IMHO, this initiative will not seriously gain steam until the big companies around the world begin to adopt them. If GE, Walmart, Citigroup, GM, etc, etc, etc, made an effort towards OpenDoc, it will take off very quickly.
However, most of these big companies are locked into multi-billion, multi-year contracts with Microsoft, so I would be surprised to see anything happen soon.
Rule #1 -- Politics always trumps technology.
I (foolishly) purchased a stripped down educator's copy of Office when I bought my iBook a few months ago, and Word has all ready corrupted five documents, screwing the formatting and replacing the quotation marks with funky looking i's. I used to run OpenOffice when I had a pc, and despite it's slow load times (which, really, who cares if you have to wait an extra second and a half), it was an excellent piece of software. Might be time to go through the trouble of installing X11...
There's a culture of corporate paranoia at Microsoft, and it's been written about before in books and essays. Everything is seen as a threat, everything requires a drastic response. For instance, Netscape and gave rise to tying Internet Explorer to the Windows shell and offering it for free. At Microsoft, you're always self-critical, and you're always paranoid about losing your market position.
"Sufferin' succotash."
I have worked in local governments for the last 8 years. This is exactly what they do and why open source has a hard time making inroads here. The thinking here is that we have to spend money or we lose it next year. So around here, we have the latest copies of Windows XP and Office 2003, but we don't seem to have any money to buy a decent office color laser jet that prints duplex. Where are there priorities? Obviously, not on production.
That, as Hunter S. T. put it, is the nut of the matter. And what *is* this? Do people develop emotional dependence on Texeco gas and get all zealotous when somebody mentions Chevron? Does KMart have loyal customers who sneer at Target shoppers as "communist"? Do HBO viewers stick to their "chosen" channel and deride Cinemax? Yet bring up operating systems, web browsers, programming languages...anything at all related to computers, down to such trivial choices as text editors: instant Jihad! I think we'd better add "computers" to "politics and religion" in the list of topics not to bring up at a table.
Man, I always figured if I'm going to put all that love into something, it's got to love me back. I just use what works for me, and don't really care what anybody else uses. Pity we can't all be shown the same courtesy.
Ain't that just the typical MS-FUD running rampant ?
I think it's more of typcial sales-person FUD. Sales people can be extremely slimey critters, and will tell you anything to make sure you buy more stuff. This isn't unique to Microsoft, though it is amusing. (Especially after the whole Korn shell fiasco.)
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the AC's sale rep simply took two unrelated facts (the fact that OpenOffice contains GPL code, and the fact that OpenOffice implements the OpenDocument standard) and intentionally confused them. If he says it enough times, he might even believe it.
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We can cry all we want about MS's Office formats ruling "the office", but personally, I feel the real tyrant in office file formats is .PDF. IMHO Adobe PDF is the Josef Stalin of formats.
And let me preface, this is on Windows, so you Mac and Linux desktop admins need not respond with tales of wonder about PDF.
I spend more time troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, converting, tweaking settings, etc; for Acrobat than anything else our Data Specialists use. What a friggin headache this program is. And whats worse, everyone not only requires PDF, they demand it.
I think OpenOffice has the ability to convert to PDF, but I haven't tried it. I assume that on Windows I would run into the same problems. Back before Acrobat 6, it was a fairly stable and reliable program, but since 6 it falls into the POS category.
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Office maintains is monopoly due to control over the format. If MS loses control of the format, then they will require a superior program at a much lower price to control the market. In addition, if they lose the Office monopoly, they will probably lose the Desktop Monopoly, but at the very least, will be forced to drop their prices all over (not just in targeted markets).
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
> Think I'm kidding, my niece had a science project
> fail because the document produced in Open Office
> didn't produce on his MS Word a lower margin of 1
> inch, it created a lower margin of 1.25 inches,
> yes the idiot used a ruler. When he was told that
> the document was produced in Open Office, his
> response was "What's that? I said to use
> Microsoft Word!"
The office software being used is entirely a red herring here. Requiring specific margins is standard practice throughout academia at all grade levels, from the primary grades through to the post-graduate level, and one inch is by *far* the most common requirement. Students are *continually* trying to get away with slightly larger margins than are required (and slightly larger fonts than the teacher specifies, and slightly more than the amount of line spacing requested, and various other schenanighans) in order to "fill up" page requirements with fewer words; this, completely irrespective of software issues, is *always* grounds for downgrading.
On the one hand the teacher shouldn't be requiring a specific software product, but on the other hand the teacher doesn't want to hear inane and irrelevant comments like "I used such-and-such software" as an excuse for using excessively large margins. His response *should* have been, "You need to use software that supports setting the margins to one inch." (Which OO does support, of course, but the student implied otherwise.) So his response was not worded well. But, if you assumed that the student's bizarre implication were correct, it would ammount, roughly, to a paraphrase. The teacher also should have known better than to assume the student's implication was correct, but if he does take a student's remark at face value, the student really has no valid grounds for complaint.
Getting back to the software: I have wondered for a long time why the default margins in OpenOffice are so enormously large, but really it's neither here nor there. When you're doing a paper for school, you always need to check your margins anyway, to verify that they're correct. Not doing so is always grounds for downgrading, period. Trying to excuse it by explaining that OpenOffice was used is... well, let's just call it something the student needs to learn not to do and leave it at that.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Of course it is a stable format. The specifications for it are written down. On the other hand changes will eventually be made, but these will be written down in a new specifcation e.g. OpenDocument 2.0. Every file format will have the same evolution where things are eventually added. The base file format will be the same. In fact the MS formats seem to be currently worse for this sort of format creep.
ZDNet has said that a French tax office (80,000 desktops) is planning to move to OOo. MSOffice upgrade cost 29.5m, OpenOffice 200,000. See here.
This seems like a silly argument:
/proc/mdstat' will not work in all shells.
Do NOT use the 'cat' binary from GNU coreutils to print out the content of a file because afterall the name 'cat' originated from the English word "concatenate".
Besides, the command '<
The linked page says the reason is that it's wasteful, and I guess that is technically correct since if you use your shell built-in may not spawn a new PID. So I guess it's as wasteful as using the 'date' command instead of getting your shell to print the date.
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