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Data Centers And DC Power

mstansberry writes "In the final article in a series on the price of power in the data center, IT pros weigh the pros and cons of direct current-powered servers. A limited number of companies make servers with the power supplies removed with DC power distributed to multiple machines from a single unit. It saves power by skipping an extra conversion from alternating current (AC). Telcos have been using this method for years, but some data center pros are leery of taking on the new systems. It's not something people are familiar with and if they break down, you have to hire a specialized engineer to come fix them. But if they're saving even half of what they're reported to save on the electric bill, companies could afford to hire the engineers." We've reported on previous articles in the series.

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  1. Forgot DC and AC power by mrm677 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does big iron still use 3-phase power?

    1. Re:Forgot DC and AC power by dawggy_daddy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It isn't three phase like a HVAC blower motor, it is three separate legs using a common neutral, *** BUT ***, if each of the three legs draws a different amount of current, there is an imbalance on the neutral and computers hate that.

    2. Re:Forgot DC and AC power by sirwired · · Score: 5, Informative

      Does big iron still use 3-phase power?

      Yes. Mainframes, large UNIX systems, and the storage boxes that connect to them still require three-phase. (I am a storage specialist.)

      SirWired

    3. Re:Forgot DC and AC power by ThePowerGorilla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, real big iron still uses 3-phase power. I can only speak on behalf of large IBM system (zSeries, etc). These systems will accept 192VAC to 508VAC on the input, 3-phase Delta. This means no neutral required. Additionally, they will even run with one phase totally missing. The first power conversion stage in any piece of their 'big iron' is a very large AC to DC converter, rated for a 350VDC output at over 42kW. Actually it's six 7.5kW converters paralled, and these are redundant/hot swappable. Totally modular, with no cable connections. This block is about 95% efficient. This DC is then distributed to the rest of the system power supplies, with redundant cabling supplying all point of load converters. All point of load converters are also redundant and hot swap. These converters have a range of efficiencies, but are typically much better than industry standards. A DC/DC converter in the z9 can source 1000A alone on the CPU Vcore level (12 of these supplies are in the machine). Supplies are used for CPU nodes, I/O cages, blowers and refrigeration. All blowers are 3-phase DC-brushless type, with the 3-phase synthesized off the 350VDC feeds. The blowers are usually 300W or larger, each. The CPU refrigeration is also run by 3-phase compressors, this power also being synthesized off of 350VDC. This is done to allow a conventional off-the-shelf compressor to be run off any line voltage, and ride through phase losses (as this is seen by the bulk AC/DC converter instead). The 'big iron' also supports built in UPS cabability, allowing you to connect battery packs directly to the bulk AC/DC converters. A machine will handle six 400V@2.5Ah battery packs connected to it. This feature is used to ensure a system such as a z9 has true 100% availability, and won't suffer a hard shutdown due to careless datacenter workers or electricians. In short, the article is intend to address small white box systems that use $12 power supplies with very poor reliability and efficiencies. And to another poster that brought up 3-phase being more efficient for power conversion...that's not really true these days, as everything requires power-factor correction. Nothing in the IT uses huge three-phase bridge rectifiers and phase-regulated primaries anymore.

    4. Re:Forgot DC and AC power by ThePowerGorilla · · Score: 5, Informative
      Sorry, I boned the formatting the first try...

      Yes, real big iron still uses 3-phase power. I can only speak on behalf of large IBM system (zSeries, etc). These systems will accept 192VAC to 508VAC on the input, 3-phase Delta. This means no neutral required. Additionally, they will even run with one phase totally missing.

      The first power conversion stage in any piece of their 'big iron' is a very large AC to DC converter, rated for a 350VDC output at over 42kW. Actually it's six 7.5kW converters paralled, and these are redundant/hot swappable. Totally modular, with no cable connections. This block is about 95% efficient.

      This DC is then distributed to the rest of the system power supplies, with redundant cabling supplying all point of load converters. All point of load converters are also redundant and hot swap. These converters have a range of efficiencies, but are typically much better than industry standards. A DC/DC converter in the z9 can source 1000A alone on the CPU Vcore level (12 of these supplies are in the machine). Supplies are used for CPU nodes, I/O cages, blowers and refrigeration.

      All blowers are 3-phase DC-brushless type, with the 3-phase synthesized off the 350VDC feeds. The blowers are usually 300W or larger, each.

      The CPU refrigeration is also run by 3-phase compressors, this power also being synthesized off of 350VDC. This is done to allow a conventional off-the-shelf compressor to be run off any line voltage, and ride through phase losses (as this is seen by the bulk AC/DC converter instead).

      The 'big iron' also supports built in UPS cabability, allowing you to connect battery packs directly to the bulk AC/DC converters. A machine will handle six 400V@2.5Ah battery packs connected to it. This feature is used to ensure a system such as a z9 has true 100% availability, and won't suffer a hard shutdown due to careless datacenter workers or electricians.

      In short, the article is intend to address small white box systems that use $12 power supplies with very poor reliability and efficiencies.

      And to another poster that brought up 3-phase being more efficient for power conversion...that's not really true these days, as everything requires power-factor correction. Nothing in the IT uses huge three-phase bridge rectifiers and phase-regulated primaries anymore.

  2. See, I told you so by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

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    1. Re:See, I told you so by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Informative

      To be pedantic for a moment, Tesla quit after Edison screwed him over on a $50,000 bonus he was promised.

      But you're sentiment is correct. Edison never really believed in AC power.

    2. Re:See, I told you so by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Informative

      But you're sentiment is correct. Edison never really believed in AC power.

      Actually he was a pretty firm supporter of AC where the electric chair was concerned.

      The original example of FUD!

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    3. Re:See, I told you so by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But westinghouse did believe in it .. who then gave Tesla a job.

      But later on he screwed Tesla anyway.

      Though admittedly, Nikola was not much of a businessman, which is why while he was perhaps the most brilliant scientist to ever exist on this planet, he died virtually pennyless.

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    4. Re:See, I told you so by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

      But westinghouse did believe in it .. who then gave Tesla a job.

      Westinghouse didn't give Tesla a job, he contracted with Tesla Electric Light & Manufacturing for R&D and licensed the AC patents. Eventually Tesla released Westinghouse from paying royalties to prevent the company from going under. (The AC/DC wars nearly bankrupt both Edison and Westinghouse.)

      Though admittedly, Nikola was not much of a businessman

      Indeed. He was always a little too paranoid. Instead of learning how to properly use the laws and courts to protect his work, he felt that the only option was to keep his work super-secret. The sad part about this is that we still don't fully understand some of his inventions. For example, take his electric car. How did he manage to power that thing at such high velocities given the technology of the day? The answer is still a mystery even today. (And a favorite of the free energy quacks, I might add.)

      which is why while he was perhaps the most brilliant scientist to ever exist on this planet, he died virtually pennyless.

      At least in part, that had to do with all the equipment he was purchasing to perform his grounded power experiments. He had this idea that he could run power through the Earth itself, allowing anything that touched the surface of the Earth to tap into the grid. Such a concept would have been a boon for electric vehicles. Sadly, his theories on the subject were later proven incorrect, meaning that he wasted his money and time on a dead end.

    5. Re:See, I told you so by gilboooo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Tesla grounded power experiments have been used to develop and make feasible the very low frequency and very long range communication systems for submarines (emission only) using earth's crust upper part as resonator.

  3. What about houses? by jolyonr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've always wondered (from a non-technical point of view) whether there was a benefit in having our homes wired up with two sockets (or maybe a 5 pin mains plug) giving standard AC voltage and a low-current DC voltage as well (12V?). So many devices only need low voltage, wouldn't we all benefit in having a power system in our houses in this way?

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    1. Re:What about houses? by n0dalus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thinks it's a really good idea.
      If there were several pins, many different voltages would be possible, and a device could even use more than one voltage from one plug (eg, it could draw 2V for a relay, 4V for a power indicator, and the standard AC for the actual thing it's powering.)
      By not having to have transformers and big resistors inside all the household devices, there would be huge savings in power, things wouldn't get so hot, wouldn't need such big heatsinks, there would be far less electromagnetic radiation around the place (which is probably responsible for a lot of people getting sick etc), and it's safer too (devices that only need a small DC power source won't electrocute you when you drop them in some water.)

    2. Re:What about houses? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Transmitting DC over long distances doesn't work very well - you want to transmit at a high voltage, and then use it at a low voltage to minimise both danger and loss to resistance. With AC, it's relatively easy to convert to a between voltages - with DC it isn't.

      That said, there's no reason why the power couldn't come to your house as AC and then be turned into DC centrally by an efficient PSU in the basement (or wherever). The only minor problem is that DC is somewhat more dangerous than AC - if you touch a live AC wire you can pull away from it more easily than if you are in a DC circuit due to the effect on nerves.

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    3. Re:What about houses? by Roger_Wilco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the best way to do this is to use a smart bus, reminiscent of USB. You plug in the device, and it indicates "I'd like 5V DC", or whatever, and the other side provides the appropriate voltage. A powerbar would have to say "I'd like 120 VAC" or "I'd like raw AC power", then be smart enough to switch that to the desired voltage for each device.

      You could only have one plug on each wire from the smart hub.

      Costs would be higher due to all the electronics involved, but they'd come down with mass production. It should eventually be cheaper than running all those little black transformers for every device; they draw a certain amount of power even when the device is off.

    4. Re:What about houses? by jsveiga · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think there is at least one reason not to distribute DC inside the house: The same reason car battery contacts get yucky after some time.

      AC prevents that galvanic(?) effect to occur on the house outlets.

    5. Re:What about houses? by interiot · · Score: 3, Informative
      There would be a savings in power, but you'd need huge wires in between each socket. See this chart. As voltage goes down, amps go up. Amps go up, and wire size goes up.

      Granted, you may not need to carry a lot of amps at 2V. However, no matter what voltage/current you pick, it's much easier (in terms of wiring cost) to use higher voltage for electricity distribution.

      I think what the main article was discussing is changing 120 AC into 120 DC centrally, but still having the 120 DC => 2v DC conversion done right where it's needed.

    6. Re:What about houses? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      there would be far less electromagnetic radiation around the place (which is probably responsible for a lot of people getting sick etc)

      Since when was non-ionizing EM radiation dangerous? Besides, even if it was, I highly doubt that your computer PSU or little brick power supply for your cordless phone are wasting that much energy as EM. When you consider that most little brick power supplies are running most of the waste is lost to heat and not EM I highly doubt it amounts to much. Even your typical PC PSU runs less then 100-150 watts unless you are a dual processor 15 HD fiend.

      I'd be willing to bet that you get a larger dose of EM from your box fan, AC motor or refrigerator compressor.

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    7. Re:What about houses? by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The only minor problem is that DC is somewhat more dangerous than AC

      Yeah, Electric Chairs used AC power because it's LESS DANGEROUS, right?
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    8. Re:What about houses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let me be mroe specific on this problem.

      If you have 120V and 20A coming into the house, and you convert it to 12V, you will de-facto allow 200A to go through the 12V circuit.

      The problem is your circuit breaker would have to be on the 12V circuit, otherwise you could get a short, and instead of just blowing the breaker you will liquify your copper wire.

      So for every circuit voltage you support you need a seperate circuit breaker, wiring, outlet, etc.

      Plus a 1200W power supply will still need 100A at 12V, instead of 10A at 120V, so you would still need 6 gauge wire instead of your more normal 16 gauge wire, so all your house wiring will be four times as thick, and about as flexible as chicken wire.

    9. Re:What about houses? by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Since when was non-ionizing EM radiation dangerous?"

      It isn't.

      There are three parts to assessing something like this.

      First, is there some physical method consistent with known science by which injury could occur? In this case, no.

      Second, do controlled experiments on human or lab animals show an effect? In this case, no.

      Third, do statistical studies show a correlation? In this case, not when they are done competently. The problem is that a lot of studies have been done by people who don't understand statistics. They think that everything should be exactly average. They look at a bunch of populations, find 20% are more than one standard deviation above average, and try to find some explanation for this.

      Sort of like Dilbert's PHB getting angry when he finds out that 40% of employee sick days are taken either on a Monday or a Friday.

    10. Re:What about houses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you are reporting your teacher's comments properly, your teacher should be fired before someone is killed. Absolutely none of what you just said made the slightest bit of sense.

      There are several ways in which electricity can kill you. It can heat you up and burn you. It can disrupt your brain and nervous system. But the most common thing is for it to stop your heart. (It turns out that the survival rate of folks with heart failure after CPR administration is extremely low, unless the heart failure was caused by electrical shock. Most causes of heart failure also prevent the heart from restarting.)

      The other major safety concern with electricity is the risk of fire.

      There's a tradeoff here. Your skin is basically a big resistor in the megohm range. Since the current that penetrates the skin is proportional to the voltage, high voltages cause a big danger of shock. On the other hand, a short is typically a small resistor. Since the heat dissipated by the short is proportional to the square of the current, high currents cause a big danger of fire. But the power delivered by a circuit is proportional to the product of the current and the voltage. So if you want to power something adequately, you need high current or high voltage or some compromise between the two.

      The whole thing is further complicated by the galvanic reflex, which makes muscles contract when electricity reaches them through the skin. DC tends to penetrate deeper into the muscle tissue than AC, and thus causes more violent contraction. (Is this the "literal explosion" [sic] your teacher was referring to?) With low-enough frequency AC (and I'm not sure whether 50-70Hz is low enough) the galvanic reflex is down during the low-energy part of the cycle long enough that you can let go. Electric fences (at least properly designed ones) are very-low-frequency pulsed-current devices. This is so that you can release from the fence while the power is down.

      Another major complication is defibrillation. 50-70Hz AC reaching the heart is much more effective at stopping it than DC, because it interferes with the heart's regulatory rhythm.

      The executive summary? High voltages are dangerous (electrocution) and so are high currents (fire). House current is a reasonable compromise between these concerns for high-power devices. The AC/DC tradeoff is vastly overrated as a safety concern, and very complicated.

      How to keep yourself safe when working theatre lighting? Here's some tips:

      • Always use insulated tools.
      • Always wear rubber-soled shoes.
      • Never work on equipment with the power on.
      • Always tag and/or lock down power switches not under your direct control, so that no one else will turn them on while you're working.
      • Never work in a physically unstable situation, where you might be tempted to grab at something to restore your balance.
      • Whenever working directly with circuitry, use only your dominant hand. Put the other hand in a back pocket or belt loop. (This will keep you from accidentally forming a circuit with your left and right hands that goes directly through your heart.)
      • Whenever you energize a new device or circuit, measure voltages and grounds with a meter carefully to check your work before allowing anyone to touch the equipment.
      • Make sure you know the electrical code well. These rules are designed primarily to make sure that the connections you make are low-resistance and that wires you use can carry sufficient current, so that you won't create fire hazards.
      • In any situation where you have the slightest doubt you know what you're doing, call in a qualified professional electrician.

      Be careful out there. Either listen more carefully to your teacher (if you got your stuff wrong), or publicly out the idiot (if you got it right). Electricity is really dangerous. I say this as someone who builds big rockets in his spare time. I was nearly killed several times as a kid while playing with electricity. Don't let it happen to you.

    11. Re:What about houses? by nido · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "Since when was non-ionizing EM radiation dangerous?"
      It isn't.

      don't be so sure... Living bodies are incredibly complex electrical devices. I think it arrogant to assume artificial electric fields cannot have an effect on their proper operation.

      Now if you look at the question of: Are there biological effects, the engineers and the physicists say absolutely not. Their view in general of what living systems consist of is that the cells are little plastic bags filled with minestrone soup. And you can then with that sort of a concept calculate the field strength and the frequencies you would need to produce an effect on the minestrone soup. And this is exactly the concept that was employed after it became apparent that radar systems could heat up the human body. The physicists that were involved in answering the question: Are there effects? And at what level do they occur? And what would be a safe level? Basically, they followed a basic precept which was to consider a spherical cow, a circular oval object filled with conducting solution and composed of a skin that is transparent to the radio frequency waves that microwave generators produce. And on that basis, they asked: How much does it take to heat this up? Where does the cow's temperature start to rise?

      And that number was calculated and confirmed in actual procedures in the lab using the spherical cow concept. They said, "OK, that's the number at which you are going to start heating people. Let's say that's not such a good idea and we'll set a level ten times lower as the safe levels."

      That level was applied for several decades to everything that concerned electromagnetic pollution. Of course, this is not correct. Any biologist can tell you that the body is much more complicated than that and the work I had done up to that point had involved the body's actual use of electric currents generated in the body that regulated certain things like healing. Wound healing is associated with a rather specific electrical current and voltage. So, the premise that was applied by the physicists and the engineers was erroneous from the start.

      That's number one. Number two, what would be the normal electromagnetic environment assuming that we're starting from scratch at Edison's time - and not Edison either because he went to DC current to light the light bulb. It was Nikolai Tesla who conceived of the system we presently use and who, incidentally, gets no credit for it: the 60 second electromagnetic field that is carried by power lines, the big lines that are strung across the country, and provides the current that comes into your home and appears in the wall socket and you use to run the coffee maker and the TV and all the rest of the things in the house 60 cycles. That didn't even exist one hundred years ago.
      (emphasis added) From an interview of Robert O. Becker, M. D., who was a pioneer in the study of natural electrical currents in the human body.

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    12. Re:What about houses? by interiot · · Score: 2, Informative
      Mmmm, bad answer.

      The section that reads "These devices, a kind of switched-mode converter, generally perform the conversion by the following steps" is misleading. While it says "AC", if you click through the link, it actually says "The inverter stage converts DC ... to AC by switching it on and off ('chopping') at a frequency of tens or hundreds of kilohertz (kHz)". In other words, it's nothing like the orignal AC (60Hz), and the kHz chopping is necessary even if you start off with AC. So it's not redundant at all.

      Eg. the typical Switchmode PSU has four stages:

      1. 60Hz AC
      2. half-wave rectified AC with a big capacitor (almost DC)
      3. kHz chopped AC
      4. final DC output
      So, instead of hauling things around at stage 1, you haul them around at stage 2 instead.
    13. Re:What about houses? by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think it arrogant to assume artificial electric fields cannot have an effect on their proper operation.

      Of course it would be. That is why I explained things the way I did. There is a difference between saying "It has been proven that 60 Hz fields do not affect humans" and saying "There is no evidence that 60 Hz fields affect humans."

      We can speculate all day about what could conceivably affect a human body, given the limits to our understanding. But that leads to tinfoil-hat country unless we look for some evidence in support. The fact is that no evidence shows that humans are hurt by 60 Hz EM fields.

      Maybe some will appear tomorrow. Who knows? Certainly the study of how the body uses electrical signals is interesting, and maybe one day we will learn that a lot of the current accepted wisdom is wrong.

      The question is whether the mere speculation that 60 Hz fields can harm people, with no supporting evidence, should cause us to condemn every house within a mile of a high voltage power line, install Faraday cages around every bed, and sue the power company over every case of cancer.

  4. how does it save a conversion by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ac goes into data centres, systems run on dc. Either it gets distributed to each computer as ac and converted in a medium-sized box in the back of each system, or it gets converted in one big box and distributed to the systems as dc.
    The question is of the efficiency saving of doing all the converting in a big box against the efficiency loss of piping it around the data centre as dc, and wether you get a large total net saving (which I suspect that you do, since even inside the data centre, it's not going far)

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    1. Re:how does it save a conversion by qwertphobia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Power gets converted to DC anyhow to keep the UPS batteries charged. If the lights go out, the DC from the batteries is converted back to AC to go to the power supplies and back to DC inside each system.

      No, it doesn't take as much power to keep the batteries charged as it would to run the center off DC, but that's not the point. Anyone with a large UPS already has a beefy AC/DC and DC/AC conversion system in place.

      I would also assume one large converter / power supply would be more efficient for power and heat than hundreds (in my data center) or thousands (in a big one) of little power supplies. Any thoughts on that?

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  5. DC power for data centers by dawggy_daddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    trouble shooting and correcting DC power is simpler than working with linear power supplies. Unfamiliarity is the problem, not the technology.

    1. Re:DC power for data centers by paradxum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess I find the amazing part is that with most modern switching power supplies, you can plug them into dc and have them just work... no special kit at all. I think it needs about 98VDC for a standard computer power supply.

      In a datacenter, it's much easier to provide DC. Most are set up against a large battery backup (to hold over till the generator kicks in.) So, You just simply don't run inverters. The AC->DC converters handle the rest (which they normally do to charge the batteries.) Plus, a AC-DC converter is "stupid simple" in Electrical engineering terms.

      I only see two drawbacks:
      1.) larger wires to handle the DC current without significant heating/loss (losses are in the form of heat in a wire)

      2.) Making sure your routers/switches are set up for DC. Many switches and routers DO NOT come with switching power supplies.... and need a different power supply to run on dc... but compnies like HP and Cisco have DC power supplies for their kit.

      I don't really think a data center needs to hire a "Power Engineer" I mean really, did you hire a new person when you switched from Parell-IDE to Serial-IDE??? (oh wait... I shouldn't ask questions I don't want answers to.)

  6. I wish homes were wired for DC by cortana · · Score: 2

    I wish homes were wired for DC. I think we'd save a lot of power doing the conversion in one place per household/street, rather than using a separate transformer for each device. Plus you'd wouldn't have to waste time trying to find your devices transformer, or waste space when packing the device when you go on holiday.

  7. They should have already hired such engineers. by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any truly serious data centre would already have at least several power engineers on their staff.

    If such a data centre is just now considering bringing such people in, then they have serious operational problems. They're not getting professionals in to do the jobs that professionals must do.

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  8. Proprietary connectors by Licorice101 · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is no standard Telco DC connector. This can cause headaches since you need special connectors and a AC-DC box for every type of DC appliance you have. Most every AC appliance uses one of a few types of industry standard AC connectors.

  9. The answer is in the Racks, young Jedi by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Funny

    What we really need are pluggable racks. i.e. Move all the hardware necessary to support the blades (power supply, network switch, cooling, KVM interface, etc.) right into the rack case, then design a common interface to plug the blades into. Then an admin only needs to plug in the new server and run with it. No need to mess with tonnes of wires.

    Wait. Did I just reinvent a 64 way Sun server? Imagine that.

  10. specialized engineers? by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see what the problem is. Each box would be built exactly the same as before, except it wouldn't have a power supply unit - just a straight wire from the power socket. And the central power supply is just a big AC/DC converter - most EEs should already be familiar with those. There's not really any new technology here, it's just slightly re-arranged.

    1. Re:specialized engineers? by gweihir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ever seen someone drop a screwdriver between 5V and 0V buses on a 300A distribution system!?

      No problem at all. Turns immediately to metal vapour and will likely not even interrupt server operation.
      And with todays computers that would more likely be 12V/3000A ;-)

      Of course the human being standinge besides this events may suffer some serious damage....

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    2. Re:specialized engineers? by jcaplan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well it looks like you've only started to answer the important question: What do I have to do to vaporize the screwdriver? Here's my stab at the problem:

      Boiling point of steel: 2500 C
      Specific heat of steel: 0.11 Kcal / Kg C
      Weight of metal in screwdriver: 0.1 Kg
      Needed change in temperature: boiling point - room temp = 2500 -25 = 2475 C

      Q = c*m *( delta T)

      where Q is heat added, c is specific heat and delta T is change in temperature.
      So, Q = 0.11Kcal/Kg/C * 0.1 Kg * 2475 C
      and a bit of arithmetic leads us to:
      Energy needed to bring to a rolling boil, Q= 27.225 Kcal

      A little bird (OK an online unit converter) told me that this is about 114,000 wattseconds

      Now we're getting somewhere...

      Lets assume a contact time of 0.1 s. (This is clearly a maximum, since we don't want the disappointment of the screwdriver melting and losing contact) Our power is now 1140 kilowatts- or approximately 1000 toasters worth, or, perhaps 10,000 computers which convinces me that the errors that you fellow Slashdotters have found in my math above are neatly canceling out.

      To conclude,

      Power = V * I (where I is current)
      so,
      I = Power /V

      Since we're using 5V
      I = Power / 5 V
      I = 1140 kilowatts / 5 V
      I = 228000 Amps

      So, the proposed 300 Amp power supply is off by a factor of 750 or so. We'll all have to head to one of Google's data centers to try this one out. Anyone out there able to arrange a guest tour?

      -Jon

      PS I know that there is some heat of vaporization to consider, as well, but that will be left as an exercise for the Slashdotter.

  11. Re:correction by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Either way, there is still only one conversion: 110AC -> 12/-12/5vDC.

    Nope, you save two conversions.

    Without DC distribution, you have AC->DC->AC in the central UPS, and then AC->DC in each computer's power supply.

    With DC distribution, you have AC->DC in the central UPS, and no conversion in the computers.

    You get down from 3 conversions to 1.

  12. The ups AND cooling! by leuk_he · · Score: 2

    The conversion from and to the UPS is saved. Every watt that is lost in the conversions is converted into heat. That heat has to be cooled of by cooling systems using also an enormoes amount of energy.

    By saving 20% on the conversion you also save 20% on the cooling. But also the power can now run in a different room where the temperature condition might be less demanding, so even more cooling might be saved.

  13. wasted servers by artg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "His department conducted a study that said 80% of those servers were running at 5% to 15% utilization"

    Why such low utilization ?
    Any other industry would scrap 80% of that equipment to save costs and power.

  14. DC in Telco by Comen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I started working with IP in a small ISP. We were bought by a loal Telco and over the years have got used to having all our routers and switches running on DC current.
    One thing telco companies do well is DC power, they have alot of skill in providing multiple DC feeds from DC power systems, with battery backup and generators all in line.
    I would imagine that any big server farm would benefit from this kind of setup. Especially when you have people runnnig the lines that are as good as some of the guys in the telo world, they can really make the wiring look like a art in some places.

  15. Depending on your UPS configuration... by Myself · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...this may or may not save a step.

    However, it does provide a few significant advantages.

    Telcos use DC because it's easy to battery-back. Since all your gear is already running from the DC supply, there's no guesswork about whether your UPS will be able to handle the load. Each piece includes its own converters, so all you have to do is size the battery bank. Since most telcos aim for 8-hour runtimes on battery (long enough to discover and fix a generator problem), overkill is the order of the day.

    There's also the point that you can run several small generators, instead of one large one. In an AC world, keeping multiple generators syncrhonized is nearly impossible on a small scale, so you just run one big one. If your setup grows, you rip out the old generator and replace it with a larger one. In DC, since all your generators feed the same battery bank, you can just tack on more capacity without trashing your original investment.

    Using multiple generators provides cheaper redundancy too. In an AC setup if you wanted to be protected against a generator failure, you'd need two identical gensets, each large enough to run the whole load. With DC, say you had 5 generators but 4 could power the load. You still have no single point of failure, and you don't have to buy *double* the generating capacity.

    Oh, and if a second generator fails, say you're down to 3, you're below the break-even point, but you're still limping along, with the operating generators assisting the batteries, extending your battery runtime long enough that you can probably fix one of the failed gensets. Oh, you found a spare generator at the rental place down the street? Switch a few rectifiers onto it and watch your charge status come back into the green. You just don't have that sort of versatility with AC.

    DC is easier to noise-filter than AC. Keeping the high-frequency noise from switching converters off the AC input is something of a black art, and is hard to do effectively. You also have Power Factor (PF) issues when running large numbers of computers (or anything that uses switch-mode power supplies) from AC. Hence, your supplies have to be PF-corrected, which adds bulk and complexity, and reduces efficiency.

    A DC-DC converter suffers none of those problems, going from your 48v battery bank down to the 12, 5, and 3.3 levels in your servers. It's easy to filter the switching noise because the input is DC, a big L-C filter works quite well. There's no such thing as power factor on DC, so the converters themselves are simpler and smaller, and run cooler.

    One other huge benefit is that 48 volts is "low voltage" according to the NEC, so you can wire it yourself. You'll never have to let pole-climbers into your server room again. :)

    Another advantage is that most DC-input equipment has a telco heritage, and supports dual inputs. Everything in telco has an "a-side" and a "b-side" power supply. It's only relatively recently that high-end datacomm gear has started to support multiple AC power inputs. History and experience are on your side with DC.

  16. Re:Think of the UPS by RollingThunder · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sure, but how often do the backup generators connect inside the UPS?

    My understanding is that the UPS's will typically have a power source switch in front of them, not behind, and when the emergency generator kicks in, its power goes through the UPS just like the normal utility power.

    There's a very good reason for that, too. Virtually every UPS will clean up the power feed, and backup generators are usually 'dirtier' power than mains power - the last thing you want is spikes and droops from the backup genny cooking your servers while you're under emergency conditions!

  17. Re:What am I missing? by GigsVT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The DC step in the middle is so you can chop it into a high frequency square wave. You save power and space because you can vary the duty cycle of the square wave for regulation, and the high frequency allows for smaller components.

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  18. electrical isolation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The argument for AC to DC conversion on each device is that individual power supplies provide isolation e.g. no direct current path from DC ground of one device to another device. This is why Ethernet is transformer coupled. Eliminates ground loops and propagation of damage during major hardware meltdowns, nearby lightning strike etc.

  19. Absolutely - there is ALWAYS AC-DC conversion by csoto · · Score: 2, Informative

    As long as you're feeding a site with AC (this is the only efficient way to transmit it from the Hoover dam to some farm in Iowa), then at some point, there is conversion from AC to DC before it gets to the circuits of any computer system.

    Where there *could* be some benefit is where you have larger, more efficient converters very near the point of use. If you figure each power supply inside each box is 50% efficient, but a single big one is 75%, then you reap a net benefit (totally rhetorical - I have no idea how efficient they are).

    Now, even if there isn't an efficiency gain, there are two other reasons to do this, which is entirely why telcos do it (not to save power). First, telco equipment has to run when utility power is lost. Every switch is powered off DC that comes straight from BATTERIES. There is no loss in service if AC power is lost, because the batteries are already in use. This explains why you can use your POTS line even during a brief power outage. We have such a box sitting in a machine room in attached building.

    Secondly (and perhaps more germane to the concept of DC in non-telco datacenters), telco equipment is often housed in locations that have poor environmental controls. By positioning the not-so-efficient AC-to-DC conversion hardware away from the sensitive electronics, you reduce the heat load in the climate-controled space. This alone makes some sense for the direct DC feed concept.

    Charles

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  20. The first step by dsginter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The first step will be in the home office. Have you taken a look at the rat's nest under most desks? Most of it is AC/DC conversion. If the industry could just arrive at a DC power standard, we could start with a single AC/DC "box" under the desk with a standard plug end for all DC peripheraps. Add daisy chaining and wireless USB or Bluetooth, and that nest is largely eliminated.

    At this point, we could start to build it into houses and other buildings.

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  21. Cons of DC power by RafaelGCPP · · Score: 4, Informative


    1) Contacts tends to rust on the positive side.

    2) Lower voltage means bigger current for the same power. This would require thicker, more expensive cables

    3) DC-DC voltage conversion is, somewhat less efficient... Ok, I know switching mode power supplies are efficient, but this leads me to the last point:

    4) No insulation between systems. That way, systems get more prone to ground loops...

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  22. DC can be really annoying... by hagbard5235 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are definite advantages to DC power... but it can also be *hugely* annoying.

    I've worked in DC powered labs.

    There isn't really any concept of 'plug' in the DC powered world. Powering up a device usually entails reading it's current draw off the equipment, selecting the correct gauge of wire, cutting the correct length of wire, strip both ends, hook up to your DC distribution on one end and your equipment on the other, select about the right size fuse, plug it in... etc. It's a royal pain. Oh, and make sure you do it correctly, because it's not that hard to electrecute yourself...

    Nearly every engineer I've ever worked with whose been exposed to DC powered labs has begged to return to the AC powered world... it's just MUCH easier to work with.

    On the flip side though... telco racks rock! Nothing beats hex head rack screws... you can literally drive them in at a 45 degree angle with a power drill and it's OK. It makes going back to the world of crappy philips head data wrack screws that you occasionally have to drill out because the head has stripped very annoying.

    1. Re:DC can be really annoying... by Myself · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You should look into the Anderson Powerpole plugs. They're made for DC, and can be assembled in a few ways to prevent accidental mixing of voltages. They've become a standard in amateur radio and emergency communications circles, for moving 12v around without the problems of large busbars or cigarette lighter sockets.

      The world could use a set of powerpole orientation and color standards. Hmm.

  23. What everyone seems to forget by jeffmeden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is that DC power is naturally unstable. As loads fluctuate, the conversion and distribution system can change dramatically and result in very unclean power. If you are proposing to ditch AC in the server room and run DC from the UPS hardware directly to the rack, you will need to add in a lot of hardware to guarantee that the servers get exactly the voltage they need. This hardware will probably be less costly and wasteful than the AC systems currently in use, but they will also be more proprietary and (in the short term) more expensive to buy into. This is not the magical solution many envision, but it has a good future since transistor technology is getting a lot better and hence voltage management will be easier and easier as time goes on. The opportunity to move the conversion heat away from the inside of the server allows for better heat management, since you can let a transformer/transistor power system toil away only cooling it from the air duct on the roof and save the crisp AC for the servers.

    1. Re:What everyone seems to forget by serbanp · · Score: 3, Informative

      We seem to have moronic moderators today, as it's uncomprehensive why the above comment got modded as "Insightful".

      For Christ's sake, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about! "DC power is naturally unstable", "unclean power" WTH?

      Back to the original topic, the article is, as other mentioned already, 100% pure dribble. The major advantage of AC input power is that the power conversion (AC to DC system and from there down to 5V/3.3V/VCore/DDR/IO/etc), happens close to the loads.

      AC voltage is 110V or more, therefore a power of 400W per system will give about 6.3A RMS (considering a conversion efficiency of 80%). So, one must design the wiring to the system to withstand let's say 7.5A. And then the last down conversion stages start from 12V only.

      If you want to carry a DC voltage (e.g. -48V), then you must use an isolated DC/DC down to the system voltage because it's impractical to downconvert from -48V to every rail voltage needed in the system. The same 400W will be 9.3A out of the -48V input (for a 90% conversion efficiency).

      Transmission power losses increase with the square of the passed current. The 9.3A versus 6.3A means one must use thicker wire, i.e. the wiring is costlier to carry the DC voltage and there is no obvious benefit.

      In the end, if anyone wants to lower the electricity cost, he/she must invest in better off-line power supplies. For high power ones with PFC, cheapies have 65-70% efficiency, while a good design has more like 85-90%. This difference is significant.

      Serban

  24. Don't you still need a PSU for 48v DC? by bigtrike · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wouldn't you still need a power supply to convert to the various voltages required by a computer, which may change over time. Most DC power setups I've seen run at 48v, which still requires conversion to 12v, 5v, and 3.3v. You can buy a 48v power supply for most servers and other equipment today. With a switched power supply, you'd need larger capacitors or a higher switching frequency in order to smooth out the lower powered DC. It's very unlikely that you would eliminate any heat loss. I would assume that telecommunications equipment uses a 48v setup due to legacy issues and that it was a better idea before switching power supplies became cheap and efficient.

    The downside with DC is that lower voltages require much thicker wires, and you're at much greater risk for fire. Circuit breakers and other things are also more complicated and expensive since DC tends to weld things together.

    An EE I know just built a data center supplying 208v (2 branches of a 3 phase iirc) to all the racks. Almost all existing power supplies can take it, and it saves a bundle in wiring costs. I'm not sure about servers, but most desktop power supplies operate at a power factor of .8 or so, meaning 20% of the billable power is effectively wasted and could be recovered for a slight increase in cost.

  25. How does it save power? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 2, Insightful
    OK, electricity has always confused me, so I'm probably being stupid here, but I don't see how this saves power.

    Assume that an AC-to-DC conversion causes a loss of 10% (just to have a number).

    If we bring in AC, convert it to DC in one location, and then distribute it as DC to all the computers, we've lost 10%.

    If we bring in AC, distribute it to all the computers, and convert to DC at each computer, we lose 10%. The conversions are independent and parallel, and so the loss is not additive. (After all, if we have 10 computers, it doesn't mean we are losing 100% of the power). I can see how we might save money, as we no longer would need a complicated power supply at each computer. Also, we wouldn't have a hot power supply in each computer, and this could reduce cooling costs. But I don't see where the power savings comes from.

  26. Saving a conversion step isn't the issue. by RockyMountain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The slashdot story intro implies that the advantage of DC is that you
    save a conversion step. Well, maybe you do, maybe you don't, but
    counting the number of AC-to-DC and DC-to-AC conversions is very
    misleading.

    Converting 50 or 60 Hertz to DC is much more costly and less efficient
    than converting in either direction at a higher frequency. Low
    frequency rectification requires large filter capacitors, complex and
    expensive inrush current limiting, and active power-factor correction.
      By doing that front-end work in one place only, preferably from a
    3-phase source, you save power and increase reliability. You probably
    still want multiple 50/60Hz to DC rectifier stages, of course, but now
    they can be in parallel (for redundancy), rather than each one
    downstream of the other where a failure of either one will bring down
    the system.

    Just because you're distributing DC to the racks, doesn't mean you
    don't have to convert it again. It typically gets converted to AC and
    back to DC at least once, usually twice before it reaches CPU and
    memory chips. That's equally true in data centers that distribute AC
    or DC. The fact is, memory and CPU devices want very low DC voltages
    and very high currents. To make matters worse, not all parts of the
    system want exactly the same DC voltage, you almost always have to
    have multiple supply rails. You can't distribute very low voltages,
    because it would require wires as thick as your arm and they'd still
    be too resistive and inductive, so instead you distribute the DC at,
    typically, 48 volts. The subsequent conversion to low DC voltages has
    to happen via an intermediate AC, but it's a high frequency AC, so it
    can be done much more efficiently using ferrite magnetic components,
    active rectification, and often resonant mode filters. This high
    frequency AC is confined to the internals of a power supply unit, it
    never travels over wires or between boxes, thus reducing typical
    high-frequency problems such as RFI.

    I haven't mentioned battery-backup (i.e. UPSs). They make the system
    more complex, but don't change any of the fundamental concerns. Even
    on a DC distribution system, the UPS system requires it's own
    additional stages of DC->AC->DC conversion, both while charging
    (standby) and while discharging (during AC power failure). This is
    because battery charging has to have a precisely controlled current
    envelope. And batteries don't discharge at the uniform and
    well-regulatted voltage that your DC distribution wants. They need
    regulators, and switchmode regulators (typically DC->AC->DC) are the
    most efficient choice.

    1. Re:Saving a conversion step isn't the issue. by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You almost seem to be arguing for power distribution to be higher frequency AC, so that the DC conversion componenents can be small, cheap and localized to the point of use. If the HF AC is well chosen for voltage and frequency then some of the intermediate conversion steps can be skipped as it will be "ready" for step down and rectification.

      50/60Hz originally was chosen because the low frequencies were easier to generate with the mechanical equipment available 100 years ago but also to avoid a lot of inductive loss into every bit of ferrous metal along the right of way; of course ridiculously high frequencies would actually radiate power away.

      I think this could actually work if the power cables were balanced and jacketed at all well, and the voltage was high enough (24v) to carry w/o huge cables. The frequency should probably be whatever switching PS's use these days, ~30Khz?

      Also I wonder if there is an increased electrocution risk from HF vs 60Hz.

  27. Re:AC conversion... by jsveiga · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We're all concentrating on the electronic, switching power supply stuff.

    What about the big power guzzlers in the house: Refrigerators and Air conditioners? Those AC motors suck power directly from 220/110 VAC, and isn't AC better for these cheap induction motors?

  28. Re:What about churches? Very small rocks? by Da_Biz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Transmitting DC over long distances doesn't work very well

    I've heard this before, but I haven't heard a terribly good explanation for why.

    HVDC Pacific Intertie between Oregon and California:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Intertie
    http://www.transmission.bpa.gov/cigresc14/Compendi um/PACIFIC.htm

    I worked on a transmission sales automation project at BPA, and I seem to recall some very good explanations for why they had a 2000+ MW, 400kV transmission hop.

  29. Cons of DC power, debunked. by Myself · · Score: 2, Informative
    1) Contacts tends to rust on the positive side.
    True, the effect is called "galvanic corrosion". That's why the entire telco network is negative with respect to ground. It's been that way since the days of Western Union. Already solved, sorry.

    2) Lower voltage means bigger current for the same power. This would require thicker, more expensive cables
    True. But low voltage (under 50vDC nominal) doesn't require licensed electricians to run it. Clearly the extra buck for thicker copper outweighs the cost of paying an electrician for 8 hours to come extend a power feed. You've obviously never had to deal with licensed electricians.

    3) DC-DC voltage conversion is, somewhat less efficient...
    How so? AC-DC switchmode power supplies start by rectifying the AC into a high DC voltage, and then perform internal DC-DC conversion to produce the output voltages. Even the ones that work straight from the AC are no more efficient once you include power factor correction.

    4) No insulation between systems. That way, systems get more prone to ground loops...
    Not true. Remember I said the telco power system is -48vDC with respect to ground? All the logic levels (12, 5, and 3.3v) in the cards are positive just like you're used to. The DC-DC converters are isolating; all they stipulate is that there be less than a 300v total differential between the inputs and the outputs. You're free to reference any part to ground, or leave it floating if your heart desires.

    Telco grounding is insane anyway. Most places have #6AWG from each rack to a 1/0 aisle ground cable, and all the aisle grounds meet on a 750KCMil that runs the length of the building, over to the "office principal ground point". Track down a copy of TP76200MP and read up.
  30. This article and the raised-floor article both bad by sirwired · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article on raised flooring was an interesting question, but stupid solutions.

    That article talked just like some "Intelligent-Design" moron. Just because HE can't figure out how to properly model raised-floor airflow, it must not be possible to do it at all. Wrong. There are any number of companies that will do this for you.

    The solution to raised floor airflow is proper modeling of the equipment, vent tiles, and blowers, and relatively unobstructed floor plenum. The solution is NOT air-cooled equipment on bare floor and overhead cable runs. If cooling is still a problem, then use liquid-cooled racks and equipment. (This is where things seem to be going right now.) While overhead cable runs may work fine for some dinky test lab, "real" equipment requires power cables of a size that would quickly fill most overhead runs.

    This article proposing DC power is equally stupid.

    An enterprise storage box, fully configured that I looked at requires 13,800 kVA of 208V three-phase power (100A inrush current). My mind can barely fathom the completely unbendable copper "wire" that supplying that much juice at 40-ish volts would require.

    Telco's switches have a far lower power density than modern servers, and the DC power was made to correct for different problems.

    If this guy's ideal data center is overhead cable runs, ceiling blowers, bare floor, and DC power, I'd run away fast.

    SirWired

  31. AC vs. DC by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 4, Informative
    "I've heard this before, but I haven't heard a terribly good explanation for why."

    Easy.

    First, DC actually is better for transmitting power over long distances. AC current tends to concentrate in the surface of the conductor, leading to higher current densities and larger ohmic losses.

    So, why do we use AC almost everywhere? Transformers. It is relatively easy and efficient to use a transformer to change voltages of AC power. For large electrical lines, the voltage is cranked way up, which means the current is reduced. The less current, the smaller the losses due to resistance in the wires. So power is transmitted at high voltages, so the current and hence losses are low. Then, near the place where power is needed, transformers change the power to lower voltage, higher current. (This is because you can't have house wiring and appliances that won't arc or explode when hit with 13,800 V.)

    Converting between high and low voltages with DC power is much more difficult, and requires more complex equipment. (An AC transformer is two pieces of wire wrapped around a chunk of iron.)

    1. Re:AC vs. DC by Bishop · · Score: 3, Informative

      good DC/DC converter is significantly less efficient than a transformer

      A good DC-DC converter is actually a DC to AC to DC converter. It can be more efficient that a 60/50Hz AC to DC converter as a high frequency AC is used. High frequency transformers are smaller and can be more efficient the low frequency transformers. Some AC to DC converters are actually 60/50Hz AC to DC to high frequency AC to DC converters.

      The question of AC vs DC power is complex. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. You can't just count the number of conversion steps, or guess the efficiency of the converters.

  32. puzzling move for a datacenter by ruiner5000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey Johnson, we are running out of power in our datacenter!

    Ok, I'll order more HP Xeon servers. They use more power, cost more, perform worse, and have a limited upgrade path. But Intel sends me cool swag so I use them.

    Johnson, your fired! We are going Opteron, and raising our capacity 30%!

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  33. Re:DC power outlets by Ignignot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how much energy a household could save if we were all using DC outlets instead of AC.

    Well, none. Assuming you still have a washing machine, dryer, refrigerator, (possibly) electric heating, (possibly) electric oven, hair dryer, (possibly) electric water heater, and air conditioning, which in total consumes almost all of the power that is used in your house, and all of which is more efficient in AC. DC would benefit your electronics, which make up a much smaller portion of the total electric consumption. Some things can swing either way, but as a whole, your energy efficiency is much higher with AC than with DC. AC is much better at running motors than DC is. The real issue that AC to DC conversion has with respect to efficiency is that it produces harmonics on the power lines, which are undesirable and require some damping. The more AC to DC we use, the worse the harmonics are, and the more expensive it is to dampen them. But that's a really really small issue, in comparison to switching everything to DC.

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  34. Engineers or Technicians? by CorporalKlinger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this article might be using the term "engineer" a bit too loosely. I doubt any company would hire an engineer - an actual person with a Professional Engineer's License - to work on these systems. A more appropriate term might be "technician," which usually refers to someone who is trained to repair and work with a single type of technology. Engineers, on the other hand, are usually trained to work with a large variety of technologies and usually work on either (A) Research and development, (B) Manufacturing, or (C) Failure analysis and redesign.

    I guess using the term "engineer" sounds better though since it tends to scare the corporate fat-cats away from a technology because of the implied additional cost from hiring an engineer as compared to a technician.

  35. Some clues on power distribution by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative
    That's a weak article.

    There are several approaches to power distribution. One is "telco type" -48VDC distribution. This is most appropriate when the configuration doesn't change much. Wiring usually involves big cables and screw lugs. Plugs aren't standardized. More importantly, there's no set of simple rules, like the UL/NEMA/NEC standards that govern plugs, outlets, wiring, and circuit breakers, that make 120V power distribution safe without having to measure everything.

    In the 120VAC world, everything has been designed so that end users don't have to worry much about overloading the wiring. If they do, a circuit breaker will trip. An ordinary power plug, a "5-15P", can handle 15A, so if you have an outlet strip, there is a breaker to protect the plug and cord from overload, should the total load on the power strip exceed 15A. A 20A power strip must have a "L5-20P" plug, the big twist-lock type. As soon as you get away from 120VAC, you lose that designed-in idiot-proofing. (Europe is still struggling in this area, with too many different connectors, so you don't get the same level of idiot-proofing in the 220VAC part of the world.) So once you leave 120VAC, you're going to need power engineering skills. (Clamp-around ammeters are very useful, and yes, you can get them for DC.)

    There's also 400Hz AC distribution, which allows for smaller transformers and filter caps in power supplies. 400Hz rackmount servers are available. Aircraft, military, and some mainframe systems use 400Hz. It's not a big win in this era of switching power supplies.

    There's 3-phase power distribution. Here's a 3-phase outlet strip. More to the point, there's an efficiency gain in running a UPS from 3-phase power, and big UPSs are usually 3-phase, at least on the input side. Arguably, power should be 3-phase down to the point where it's rectified to DC, because 3-phase rectifiers need far less filtering, but nobody does this for small loads.

    American Power Conversion has been pushing the idea of integrating power conversion, cable management, and cooling into standard racks. Classically, those are the big problems in big computer systems. Seymour Cray used to say that the big problems were "the thickness of the (wiring) mat" and "getting rid of the heat". By that standard, APC is now as much of a computer manufacturer as, say, Dell; neither makes motherboards or ICs, they just package gear from others. Which is a wierd thought.

    All of this power is going to be converted again, at least once, and probably twice, before it hits the semiconductors. That's the job of point-of-load DC to DC converters, usually ICs on the board that do the final conversion. Typically, when you get to the computer, there's a conversion from the line voltage (120-240VAC, 48VDC, etc) to internal distribution voltages of 5-12VDC, then another conversion and regulation just before each device, usually downward to something like 3.3VDC. This keeps transient load changes from one device from affecting others. There may be on-chip regulation, too. The losses at those last stages of conversion are usually the biggest ones in the whole chain.

    1. Re:Some clues on power distribution by IvyKing · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Arguably, power should be 3-phase down to the point where it's rectified to DC, because 3-phase rectifiers need far less filtering, but nobody does this for small loads.

      Especially if you can swing a 12-pulse rectifier - which gives much smoother DC and less harmonics on the AC side. This is becoming less of an issue with PFC SMPS's.

      Typically, when you get to the computer, there's a conversion from the line voltage (120-240VAC, 48VDC, etc) to internal distribution voltages of 5-12VDC, then another conversion and regulation just before each device, usually downward to something like 3.3VDC.

      The big reason for multiple conversions is that the latest and greatest chips use ~100W of power at a bit over 1V - so you 100A from the power supply - there is no way that you can transmit that much power at that low a voltage for more than a few millimeters with standard PC board traces. The solution is to use a buck converter right next to the CPU - and these converters can be very efficient (they have to be to stay cheap).

      What a lot of people are missing the baot on wrt DC/DC vs AC/DC conversion is that it is easier to get high efficiency with low voltage parts. The Rdson of MOSFET's rises rapidly when the Vds rating goes above 60V, silicon Schottky diodes are only good up to 200V (although SiC Schottkys are starting to show up). The fact that the input voltage is more or less constant means a lot less filtering and no need for PFC.

  36. Datacenters and DC/AC power by LFransen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hi everyone,
    I am a datcenter manager that has had the opportunity to not only run but also build a datacenter from pretty much scratch. In my experience I have found that both DC and AC powered equipment both have their places in the environment. Neither system is perfect so by running hybrid you can get the most flexibility.

    We recently moved our datacenter form a 10K sq ft facility down to a 1700 ft facility by doing a technology refresh and changing many of our key infrastructure methods. In the new facility I currently have 315 HP blade servers plus another 10-15 traditional rack type servers running. I have the capacity to add up to another 144 blades (assuming they are 1U) before I run out of floor and HVAC capacity. The power delivery method is hybrid. I run DC for the blades which are fed by Emerson Energy's Candeo XL rectifier stacks (originally designed for telco) and AC for everything else. To eliminate a lot of the under floor clutter I use a trough system instead of conduit for the various AC circuits. HVAC is provided by 4 Liebert 22TON units which keep my room at a comfy under floor temp of 66 degrees.

    Adequate airflow is critical so we spent a lot of time planning tile placement. The key for proper cooling in this scenario was a high volume of airflow pushing the cooling to about 5.5ft up from the raised floor. This way my cooling isn't being sucked up by just the bottom half of the rack. Low voltage cabling is overhead.

    We chose to power the blades DC for two reasons. First was the limited space I had for installing breaker boxes on the walls. The number of AC circuits I had was limited so I pulled fat feeds directly to the Candeo systems. A full rack of HP p-class blades would require 4 x 3phase 208 circuits per rack. My initial installation of blades would have consumed 144 of my 168 circuits leaving next to nothing to power my SAN/Network/Tape Library/etc equipment. The other reason was power supply efficiency. In the conversion of power from AC to DC the efficiency of the power supply must be taken into consideration. It's not just the number of conversions you do but the loss at each. Typical power supplies in servers run about 80% efficient while my Candeo as they are setup gets about 90%. For me this ultimately meant less heat and more available cooling, therefore I could bring in more servers under the existing HVAC.

    I prefer a best of class mentality. IMHO there is no best universal solution. For those of you that use traditional rack mounts servers like Dell you can purchase these units with a DC option. I am not sure if HP offers a similar option but they might.

    Len

    p.s. Someone also made the comment about DC not generating noise in network cabling while AC does. This is not a totally true statement. Anytime you run a current through a conductor you will generate a magnetic field. Put this in parallel to another conductor and you will further induce a mag field (this is why any power runs that have to intersect low-voltage cabling should only intersect at 90 degree angles to avoid inductance). The big difference is the way DC cabling runs. In most DC circuits the feed and return lines run together so the proximity of the out of phase magnetic fields will cancel each other out. Don't believe me? I had this problem when we intially wired these Candeo systems up. The small feeds to the racks and the big mains that connected to the common buss bar were about a foot apart. Because the fields weren't cancelling, we were getting enough noise on the lines that it looked like there was AC leaking through the circuits (6volts p-p in some cases). By simply wire tieing the lines together, the proximity cancelled the fields out and everything was peachy.

  37. Re:Try an older car by kureido · · Score: 2, Informative

    The reason that the terminals on your battery get "yucky" is the sulfuric acid leaking from behind the terminals onto the metal. A mixture of baking soda and water is good at cleaning corroded terminals because it neutralizes the acid, which then allows the ions to dissolve in water. If you were to dip the terminal of a corroded battery cable in mixture of baking soda and water, you'll notice that after a while the water turns a greenish-blue -- those are the copper ions that the acid has "liberated" from the metal of the terminal. This effect has nothing to do with AC vs DC and everything to do with leaky acid-cell batteries.

    Copper and aluminum bus bars in AC power substations corrode just as much as they would if they were carrying DC; in fact, if you were to ever watch a substation being put together, every electrical connection is slathered with an anti-oxidation compound like "NoOx" (for copper) or "NoAlOx" (for aluminum) to prevent oxidatation that could then lead to hotspots and eventually fire.

  38. Re:Twice the cables! by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Again, it just doesn't make economic sense at all to install all that extra cabling, come up with new standards, etc., just because some people don't like all their wall-warts. Sure, it might be a more elegant solution than wall-warts, but practically it makes no sense at all.

    It's different, however, in a data center, where you have hundreds of computers, network switches, etc., each with their own power supply, and also importantly, all in a relatively small confined space. Here, I think (once standards were in place) it might very well make sense to have a standard DC voltage or bus which all the equipment runs on. Because of the sheer number of power supplies involved which would be replaced, and because of the close proximity of all the pieces of equipment, this might very well make economic sense. One large power supply could be made highly reliable and redundant, it would have higher conversion efficiency than many small supplies, and the wiring losses due to lower voltage would be minimal because everything is in the same room, although you'd still probably want to stick with something like 48V rather than 3.3V, 5V, and 12V. Also extremely important, it would make the integration of battery-powered UPS equipment very simple and eliminate any losses there. I believe telcos use 48VDC equipment for these reasons.

    Now, for your too-many-gadgets office, it might eventually make sense to standardize on a particular DC voltage, and have a large DC power supply which connects to all your devices in a star or daisy-chain topology. But it would have to be optional, because not everyone has that many devices, or maybe someone wants to install one device by itself somewhere, etc., so this arrangement would need to use a standard connector and standard DC voltage. The problem here, however, is stupid consumers, who might pick a larger DC supply that's not large enough for all their devices, and then blame the manufacturers. When dealing with stupid consumers, it's easier to just include a cheap wall-wart instead of letting them use 3rd-party equipment.