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Dapper Drake Hits Ubuntu Servers
linuxbeta writes "Ubuntu 6.04 (Dapper Drake) daily builds have hit the Ubuntu servers. Dapper's goals: Substantial polish and integration, software discovery and installation, make network-wide enterprise updates easy to manage, consider LSB and related certification standards and support for deployment of Dapper on mission-critical servers. Screenshots have already surfaced."
What's the point of even looking at Dapper now, when there is still 5 more months of development?
One thing though...I love the Tahoma and Times New Roman fonts. Unfortunately, I have to copy them from Windows make my environment look good. The Tahoma font itself is very small 252 kb I wonder why no one on the Linux world have created a look-alike. I have no expertise on this unfortunately, otherwise I'd have created a look-alike long ago.
Glad to hear it. I love Ubuntu. In my experience, it's the easiest and most reliable Linux distro to setup and maintain. Apt is great, and Synaptic makes it easy. A lot of things are just done the right way.
However, being a new distro, it's lacked a little polish here and there. Nothing big, but just the sort of thing where, if I were to set my parents up on a Linux machine, I'd be more confident in the presentation that SuSE or Fedora provide. I'd be really confident that Ubuntu would work correctly, and it might be my choice of distros for that reason, but I'd be more confident that Fedora would *look* like a professionally-created OS.
So I think polish is a good place to focus right now.
As a former fan of SuSE, I do not think I'll bother buying their products if they go with GNOME as their default desktop, rather than KDE.
Well, and as a former fan of RedHat and Ubuntu, I think I may be installing SuSE as my primary system. SuSE has been a great distro, except for shipping with KDE as its default desktop.
I recently switched to use ubuntu in my desktops (from gentoo). It's been mostly painless but there are gotchas with breezy 5.10.
Multimedia support is close to non existant. I have source installed mplayer, dvd::rip and avidemux (And a few libraries they depend on). That brought multimedia up to par with my gentoo install altough much more hassle than gentoo.
Default kernel is non preemptible which just sucks if you like me do some heavy multitasking. It's not unusual for me to have 5 mencoders or a couple of compiles going and without preemptible kernel the system is close to non responsive, the problems show up even if you only encode one movie. A kernel compile fixes the problems but some people probably don't want to recompile the kernel (Or have the skill to do so).
Default firefox is slow. For some reason the default firefox is amazingly slugish. I downloaded a new from mozilla.org and problem is fixed. Still annoying.
Gentoo has amazinlgy good documentation. Not something against ubuntu but coming from Gentoo it's a big loss.
Main reason for switching was getting a reasonably new gnome desktop with good package stability. With gentoo you have a too much of a moving system with new releases of packages way too often and too inconsistently. So far ubuntu has been great in that regard.
All in all it's one of the best desktop distros right now.
Anyway, Ubuntu is a really great distro. I've moved from Debian to Mandrake (now Mandriva) becouse of outdated packages needed for a workstation
Yeah, it would've been much better if it was a dragon!
But that wouldn't really fit GNOME, I guess.
Yet another "review" of yet another Linux distro consisting mostly of screenshots Gnome/KDE along with the installer. They are all so very superficial, and quite frankly, quite booring. I'm pretty sure that the distro maintainers are not that happy themselves with these "reviews".
As an example, this is almost never seen in a review: Upgrading a machine (desktop/server/whatever) from and older version to the newest version and reviewing that. Or reviewing the package lifecycle in a version of a distro (does the upgrades work? breakes anything? Are upgrades properly tested by the distro/package maintainers? etc etc).
I've recently gone all-Linux, and one of the features I miss (and I haven't seen it any place easy-to-get-to in the configs) is taking advantage of suspend-to-RAM functionality, instead of using that blasted temp file. It's so nice pressing the power button, and in a second and a half the desktop's there! No POST, no nothing, from a complete off state (except power to the MB's RAM)
OK, so I haven't googled enough, and I suspect it's just a matter of executing the correct commands when the ACPI event is triggered, but does the kernel / X / whatever support STR at all?
Its funny how you just assume Debian provides a "better system". I used to run Fedora and Debian side by side, but anything other than Debian stable would break my system monthly. I had a lot of things installed on it, but nothing too exotic. I got sick of going to #debian and getting blasted for expecting stability if I'm not running Debian Stable, and than being told to fix it myself or that I should have read < insert link > before I went updating. The truth is that the Debian community is a bunch of elitists. My Fedora server just runs nice and silent without me having to do anything, updates itself and things don't break because the packages are well tested. Debian has reported several times that they are running short on help, they don't have the resources to put quality into their 10,000 packages. Fedora comes with a standard yum repository that has thousands of apps, and adding a second repo, like DAG's or the soon to released RPMForge, puts the number of available apps on par, if not above, that of Debian. As it stands right now, all my servers and laptop run Fedora. Debian doesn't cut it anymore, and Ubuntu isn't server oriented, but even on the desktop side of things Ubuntu doesn't take security serious enough. Also, you can praise apt all you want, but as anyone who has any experience with it knows, the second apt breaks it breaks like hell and does not want to be fixed. Its crazy that some users in #debian told me they've spent weeks figuring out what was wrong and fixing apt and that I should just do the same if it breaks. Screw that, things like that don't happen on Fedora. And as far as installing goes... Ubunutu is not easier and is severly lacking. To install than Red Hat is easy as hell even if you're installing it on a few hundred machines at once, the gui, text mode, or kickstart are all easy to work with.
Regards,
Steve
You are a KDE zealot. You don't care about the facts regarding the dialog, you don't care about the design decisions behind the save as dialog and I'd wager that you wouldn't care if it copied the dialog from KDE, windows or OSX. You just want Gnome to look bad because you plain don't like it. Look around you, is anyone else trying to reignite the desktop wars on this thread? No, everyone's mature enough to realise that both desktops are doing a lot of good things.
I'm a Gnome user, but I'm not telling everyone that KDE sucks and to use Gnome. I was being so objective on this subject that you thought I was a windows user. This cannot be denied because it is there in your own writing. I switched to Gnome from being a very loyal KDE user three years ago because I found the attitudes behind KDE were in need of a bit of maturity. What you are displaying exemplifies this. Gnome and KDE are very different environments. They appeal to very different people, when I was a loyal KDE guy I loved it because of the amount of fun stuff they manage to pack in, the options, the huge number of fun included games, the sticky button right on the left hand side of the window bar for quick tying down of windows, the big pretty applets, the power and integration of KFM and later Konqueror. But these days I like Gnome because of its sleek, uncluttered appearance, it's focus on making the most common tasks faster to do, the widgets being small but very readable. As a developer, I also prefer GTK+ to QT because of its community focused development methods and its focus on having excelent high level language bindings (pygtk (python), gtkmm (c++), gtk# (c#)) rather than encoraging everyone to use its native API.
If you want to help KDE you should maybe spend some time developing it, or maybe praise their developers every time there is a positive story on KDE on slashdot. Trying to convert everyone to KDE whenever there is a gnome story on slashdot doesn't help anyone and doesn't really make you or KDE look good. Try not to do it in the future, thanks.
When Argumentum ad Hominem falls short, try Argumentum ad Matrem
Firefox, in Linux, by default, does *not* use gnome dialogs. Period.
/usr/bin/ooffice2) without Firefox loading the entire contents of every directory in that path (which, for something like /usr/bin, will cause FF to lock up for five minutes straight). Worse, the gnome dialogs to so twice: once when I type in the path, and again when I hit enter.
Funny how my 1.5 prerelease does use gnome dialogs. I'd love to find a way to force it to use the old ones, especially when it comes to choosing helper applications. The old dialogs, unlike the shitty gnome ones, let me type in an absolute path (e.g.
I support the Center for Consumer Freedom
Case in point: OpenSUSE's SUPER and SLICK editions are totally KDE-centric, performance optimized (incl. Con Kolivas' kernel optimizations) releases with a 1-CD install available and access to SUSE's repositories for additional (KDE) apps. The KDE and Minimal versions have been GA for a long time already, but their GNOME version is still stuck at -RC1, out over 2 months ago.
So to revenge Novell the now-reversed plan to make GNOME the default desktop on the Novell-branded enterprise stuff (which the KDE fans never cared about anyway), they're now dumping the massively KDE-centric SUSE en masse, in favour of... KDE on Kubuntu, which is based on the GNOME-centric Ubuntu which in turn is based on the GNOME-centric Debian...? Sometimes this stuff works in mysterious ways. :-)
Even if KDE eventually gained parity with GNOME under Ubuntu, I can't quite see it becoming a "preferred" choice there anytime soon, if ever. Likewise I can't see SUSE, the KDE-centric consumer release from Novell, giving GNOME anywhere near parity, let alone preferred position, on that platform.
If SUSE's KDE efforts aren't sufficient to the hardcore KDE fans, perhaps their best alternatives would be to invest all their time and money into an upstart totally KDE-only distro, or perhaps they could persuade the other KDE-centric major distro, Mandriva, to drop all their GNOME and Xfce (GTK is bad, right?) support? Having recently gotten out of bankruptcy protection, Mandriva would probably welcome the huge buying power of the KDE-only fans with open arms.
Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?
No stability problems or anything. Use it daily. The machine is slow but that's not a bug it's a feature.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin