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CSI Takes On Grand Theft Auto
Tycoon Guy was one of many to write "Looks like another 20 million viewers will be fed the 'video games promote violence' story tonight. Today's CSI: Miami episode will feature a group of kids who are inspired to go on a city-wide crime spree by a game that looks suspiciously like Grand Theft Auto. From the description: 'Delko witnesses a bank robbery and the CSIs soon discover that the culprits are playing out the action from the videogame 'Urban Hellraisers' on the streets of Miami. As they score points for each crime committed, the CSIs must discover what consists of getting to the next level in the game in order to stop the culprits before they strike again.'"
if GTA only imitates "reality" in their violence, and there HAVE been cases of copycat murders imitating GTA, is there any problem with a TV show imitating the reality of GTA-inspired copycat murders?
Because gamers censoring CSI is in no way different from lawyers censoring GTA.
Shows often hop on a hot-topic issue to prompt more viewership. This move is relatively unsurprising. What will be interesting to see is if the game is actually blamed, or the show exhonorates (sp?) the game, dismissing what the kids emulate and acknowledging that personal responsibility is capable of dettering anyone from a mass murder spree, GTA be damned.
(Sorry for the poor spelling.)
Excuse my speling.
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After I played GTA (can't remember which one) at a friend's house for a couple of hours, I found myself thinking about ramming into other vehicles and stealing their cars. I'm really not joking. Of course, I also once pointed at a cop checking for speeders during my Quake years and yelling audibly, "Look at that camper!!!" Again, I'm really not joking.
While I neither rammed other people's cars nor pulled out a rocket launcher to teach the cop a lesson, I certainly KNOW that games can bleed into reality and if the person is just messed up enough in the head already, I don't doubt they could live out the game.
GTA is satire. Made all the richer by those who don't get it and end up looking like the total goofs they are for taking satire seriously.
Aside from believing it is real, which is a problem, watching this stuff WILL affect us/them. Assuming that it enters your brain, you are affected. You can remember it, can't you?
I am not saying the effect will cause people to do certain actions; I am saying that you are now a (marginally) different person for watching the show, compared to if you didn't watch the show. You know, parallel universes, decisions, and stuff like that.
On a vaguely related note, med students (well, the ones I know) went to 'desensitization' classes. During this time, they watched movies of gross stuff; blood, surgery, accidents... You know, stuff that would make normal people faint, barf, hide, or maybe all three!
If watching that stuff didn't affect them, then there would be no point in doing it.
So, I am open to the idea that watching CSI / playing violent games may desensitize you to the subject.
On another tangent, I do like the idea of someone making a video game where you play a CSI... It could be a GTA mod! Then, play online, and if you prove someone else is guilty... they get kicked! Ha ha!
As long as they portray it as bad parenting and idiotic kids acting out bits from a video game. Or a book. Or a movie. It's how you portray it.
Well sadly, TV episodes based on activities that happen elsewhere in *reality*, aren't always true to the way it really happens and even go so far as to completely misrepresent the way things are. Take for instance the recent episode of Law and Order: Criminal Intent (5/8/05) that included a bit on geocaching that misrepresented it as cache containers being buried and requiring a shovel to retrieve.
geocaching.com (the largest of the cache listing services) had to post something about it on the main page because of all the parks districts that might become offended if they believed that cachers were out in the woods with shovels:
Geocaching was featured on Law & Order: Criminal Intent this evening, May 8. Contrary to the creative license taken by the show's writers, we strictly do not list caches that are buried.
The TV shows will take whatever liberties they can to make it sell well, regardless of the possibile outcomes for those that actually partake in the *real world* activities.
Hey, they did the exact same thing in 1992 or something with a Swedish movie called Beck 2: Spår i Mörker. That time the victim was Bungie's game Marathon 2. (Though they claimed it was another game called "Final Doom". They didn't fool anyone, as you can see: read all about it, plus screenshots.
Frog blast the vent core.
I saw my first black murder suspect on CSI the other night. Don't worry, he was framed by a white guy.
Consider a jury: 12 people too stupid(*) to get out of jury selection wonder why the scientific evidence is so bad. They compare it with what "scientists" say on CSI with all the flashy graphics that seem so convincing, and conclude that the real evidence is not compelling. Reasonable doubt surfaces and joe bad-guy walks.
One of my father's friends is a reasonably-high-ranking policeman back in the UK, and there is a genuine concern that people's expectations of phorensic evidence is being pushed too high by programs like this.
Here's a use for 'mythbusters' - get them to take a CSI show's flashy effects, and then compare to the real world... Some points:
CSI is a fantasy - an enjoyable fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless. Just once it would be nice if their technological approach failed (the database was wrong, the drivers licence pointed them in the wrong direction, etc.) but no, they're perfect. It would be nice if fingerprints were shown to be not 100% accurate as well (it might trigger some debate!)
Simon
(*) I don't really think jurors are all stupid, some of them are true servants of the state, but some of them... sheesh.
Physicists get Hadrons!
So if the claim is that people get violent ideas and act them from playing games, which is worse, the video game or the TV show that explains in great detail exactly how one should become violent after playing games.
What would be really cool is if the crew of one of these shows was smart/interested enough to actually produce "enhanced" camera shots as they would look coming out of one of these experimental image reconstruction algorithms. You know, crazy mis-prediction artifacts, blocking, pseudocolor, hokey text overlays. Heck, go nuts and have the reconstructed license plate have a character that could be an 8 (40%) or a B (60%).
Doing this would cost the producers almost nothing, greatly increase the versimilitude of the show, and make us geeks feel good. I won't hold my breath.
David Caruso couldn't act his way out of a wet bag. And they drive a Hummer around. I have only ever tortured myself with 2 or 3 episodes of this anyway, so I will not be watching anyway. Isn't Jack Thompson from Miami? Super secret network television conspiracy anyone?
The only one I've seen this season is the first episode of CSI:NY.
Within 2 minutes they pulled out a fucking tricorder and I turned it off.
I complained about the image enhancements for years.
I complained about pseudo-science for years.
Star Trek tech is just too much.
All CSI's are off my (short) list of watchable TV now.
If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison
It would be hard for me to re-create the environment of goodfellas or scarface to trigger a situation where a violent response is caused by me previous exposure to the movie violence. Holding a real gun after many hours wielding one indescriminently in a video game could cause an already unstable perdon to step over the edge, however.
Notice that I say 'already unstable'!!! I'm not claiming that violent VG's make killers of choirboys, but that a kid from a bad or no family and social adjustment issues can get de-sensitized to the repercussions of the violence (after repeated game playing), making them more likely to snap as oppopsed to a similar kid with no violent game play history.
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If TV (and other media) doesn't inspire some people to commit crime, then explain this http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,975 769,00.html.
"Four years ago, Bhutan, the fabled Himalayan Shangri-la, became the last nation on earth to introduce television. Suddenly a culture, barely changed in centuries, was bombarded by 46 cable channels. And all too soon came Bhutan's first crime wave - murder, fraud, drug offences."
I wonder if the writers/producers are paid by certain groups/organizations to do such episodes...
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One of my favorite scenes from Monk involved an "enhanced" image.
But then again, I could be wrong.