BlackBox Voting Tests California Diebold Machines

Doc Ruby writes "The California Secretary of State has invited Black Box Voting to hack away at some Diebold voting systems. The testing is set for Nov. 30, 2005. Evaluations conducted by Black Box Voting in San Joaquin, Marin, and Alameda counties (Calif.) reveal that a critical paper audit component is missing for all absentee and mail-in ballots, and also for recounts. (Black Box personnel were hired by the Libertarian Party to conduct inspections.)"

Comments

Paper trail...

[Pig Hogger]

Paper trail: the magical words. In Montréal, Québec, the recent municipal election is being contested. Mark-sense ballots were counted by machines, but ballots are kept in sealed boxes after being run through the machine (by the elector). Right now, the ballots are being recounted by hand in the courthouse.

Too little, too late

[Trigun]

Unless there is third party auditing at the time of voting, or access to the source code with definitive proof that the shown code is compiled on the machines, and the machines haven't been updated, then it's an exercise in futility.

Re:Too little, too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Recently, the state of Connecticut sent mailers to households inviting voters to demo electronic voting machines, and fill out a survey. I decided to attend the one held at a local branch of our state university. There were only three machines to try out. One was a Diebold machine.

On the two non-Diebold machines, I was allowed to vote a sample ballot as if the vote were real. The Diebold demonstrator, however, kept tight control over the Diebold machine, allowing only limited public interaction.

I did see something very interesting about the Diebold machine. Something I didn't like at all. The "proctor" explained that during a real voting session, the voter would get a smart card from election officials, insert it into the reader on the voting machine, vote, then turn back the card. The stated reason for the card was to prevent one person from voting multiple times while standing at the machine. However, the proctor was re-using the same card to restart the session as each new person stepped up. When I asked about this, the proctor claimed that during a real voting session, no-one would have access to a multi-use card. I asked her if that was a promise, but she didn't have an answer.

No paper trail

[Profane MuthaFucka]

We want a paper ballot. Sure, we could have a computer voting system, but it has to spit out a paper ballot with my choices marked on it. THAT is the ballot that should be counted, either manually, or with an optical scanner.

If the paper trail that I look at is not the same ballot that is counted, I can't be sure that a programmer decided to print one thing and tally another.

Re:No paper trail

[Sepper]

The machines used in Montréal (the ones I saw) where optical scanners with a sealed box to contain the ballots.

The problems we had, was that the center database that was used either crashed or could not handle the load...

Either way thoses sealed box are getting recounted by hand... In the municipal court... In front of provincial judges...

My question -

[jafac]

What I want to know is:
What happens when you put a Sony Music CD into a Diebold machine?

(you just *know* they've got Autoplay enabled in there. . . )

Re:My question -

[M. Baranczak]

What happens when you put a Sony Music CD into a Diebold machine?

Celine Dion becomes the next US President.

Paper trails are essential

[zegebbers]

Without them, there is no way to validate the quality.

Some people have mentioned that receipts might be valid, however this raises issues of people selling votes (or being harassed). The anonymous paper and pencil system is the best --- while corruption can lead to large numbers of fraudulant ballot papers, if the corruption is at this level, there isn't much that can be done anyhow.

Re:Whatever

[Ithika]

I believe you. And I believe her. I believe everything I read on the internet. Especially accusations of Communism; they tend to ring particularly true.

Sigh.

How to fix the system.

[rice_burners_suck]

I know there have been conspiracy theories, and thoughts about voting systems being tampered with all over /. and other sites. Personally, I take those with a grain of salt, BUT , since these voting systems are closed, proprietary, and under the control of some organization that may or may not necessarily have the public's best interests at heart, I wouldn't be surprised if holes are found.

If there's a backdoor of some kind for someone to specifically tamper with the voting results, that would be BAD, but I'd be surprised. I will not, AT ALL, be surprised, however, holes in the operating system, programs underlying the voting software proper, or so-called "middleware" are chock full of holes that someone could use. For that reason, I am very much against this process.

My suggestion to fix the system: There is nothing wrong with filling out (or sending in, for absentee voting) a paper ballot, which, in my opinion, should be produced with anti-counterfeiting and anti-tampering technologies, similar to those employed in our currency. An electronic system could be used to optically scan and process the votes, with individuals verifying the optical scan, and this information should be entered into a database for any kind of processing that the government needs to do, along with the optical scan of the original paper ballot. Most importantly, however, is this: Each paper ballot should have an attached "carbon copy" of some type that the user keeps, which will come with a special user ID and passphrase that the user can use after the election date to log in to a secure site and verify that his individual vote was counted as he intended. This sort of public watchfulness on the voting process will create a situation in which it will become extremely difficult to alter the results.

Re:Whatever

[nmb3000]

Bev Harris is NOT a Communist.

He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a Communist... but he is *NOT* a porn star.

Re:Way

[Androk]

I, for one, don't care if they want to. This is about my country, my democracy (I know not a true democaracy, blah blah blah). If they want to sell products that ensure no cheating in elections, people need to KNOW, not assume, KNOW, that it is a system beyond reproach. It's about my democracy not some stupid companies profits.

Androk

Re:Is this how a paper trail should work:

[jumpingfred]

Person marks ballot with permanent marker (like the old multiple choice tests but not eraseable). Voting machine is a form reader with a ballot box underneath. This is how municipal elections are done in Nanaimo (and I presume most other municipalities in) BC, Canada. Federal and Provincial elections are still hand-counted with scrutineers seeing (and counting) every ballot.

This is how voting has been done in San Diego County in California for the past couple of elections. I personally don't think that the touch screens are going to be adding much but expense.

Re:Way

[Ph33r th3 g(O)at]

No one said it had to be released under the GPL. They're welcome to retain their intellectual "property," they just have to allow public inspection. If anything, this would limit competition for Diebold because it would be a simple matter for them to accuse any upstart undercutting them of having seen the public source code.

Re:Way

[Pig Hogger]

Any objection to a release of source code is utter lawyer bullshit.

You mean like a company wanting to protect it's investments?

In this case, yes, it's bullshit.

As the democratic process has to be, in essence, totally transparent (during ballot counting, candidates can appoint witnesses who closely watch the ballot tallying process), it is no mystery that voting machines should likewise operate in a totally transparent manner, that is, not only that the source code be available for inspection by anyone who wishes to, but also that there is a verification process to enable anyone to verify that the actual compiled code in the voting machine has actually been compiled from the source code (yes, this is possible - it is being done for slots machines).

People on Slashdot tend to forget that companies spend a LOT of time and money writing software. It makes absolutely no sense for them to do this and then go release it all for free to the public. Microsoft doesn't, IBM doesn't, and even the ever-pure Google doesn't. There really are good reasons why.

Some croporate sockpuppets on slashdot tend to forget that "intellectual" "property" is not an absolute thing like gravity or matter, but a convention that is GRANTED and, thus, can be witheld for specific reasons. Like, for example, insuring that the democratic process remains transparent.

Now, if a company does not like the idea of writing open-source software for it's voting machine, it is entirely free to refrain from doing so and leaving the market to those who do not mind.

And, besides, the software would be totally useless without the hardware, so why should one care if anybody can "steal" it???

Finally, since the specifications given by the government for voting machines should clearly state that the source code shall be available for anyone who asks, if the company wants to make money, nothing prevents it from bidding a higher price to allow releasing the software.

Say, for example, that Diebold does what you say. They go and release the source under the GPL and the Slashdot peasants rejoice! Huzzah! Suddenly everybody has access to the code that Diebold spend thousands of hours and millions of dollars writing. All of a sudden there's a whole bunch of other electronic voting companies that start up and offer their machines for less than Diebold because they aren't trying to recoup the costs of writing the voting software.

Diebold is not entitled to an automatic profit. Nor any other business for that matter. If it cannot factor in the fact that the software will be lifted by other companies, and goes bankrupt for this, well it only has itself to blame.

End result? Diebold either goes out of business or leaves that market because Bob's Voting Machines was able to sell for less and still make a profit.

This is bullshit. Others manufacturers would have to make their machines identical to Diebold machines, and there, Diebold would have a very good case for suing them.

So remind me, why in the world would they want to do what you're asking?

To make a profit, given that their software will be released as I pointed out above.

Re:Just wondering...

[Pig Hogger]

w do you know the source they give makes equals the binary you run?

It's very easy. Slots machine do.

In Nevada, no slot machine can run unless the manufacturer gives the Nevada Gaming Commission the source code. They can then compile it and get a MD5 checksum for it.

All they have to do then is to go in casinoes and do spot-check on some machines; all they do is plug a special diagnostic box which looks at the firmware and calculates the MD5 checksum, then compares it with the official checksum.

Paper can also be tampered with...

[ChePibe]

The big problem here is that paper ballots can still be tampered with - ballot box stuffing, throwing out opposing ballots, even changing ballots. It's possible.

Maybe if there was some sort of (excuse the buzz word here) biometric way of tracking a vote? Paper ballots with a thumbprint? Well... that does make the whole "secret ballot" thing problematic... and everyone's finger prints would then have to be on file to vote, which probably wouldn't fly either... most polling places don't even require a picture ID as far as I know.

Maybe we should drop the idea of a secret ballot? I'm not saying we should make it a matter of public record or anything, but allow votes to be tied to names specifically. Or is that already done?

Sorry, I'll admit I'm quite ignorant about voting procedures (don't mod me down for it - please correct my ignorance), but developing a truly functional and verifiable means of voting seems nearly impossible while votes records are secret.

Re:Paper can also be tampered with...

[n.wegner]

>The big problem here is that paper ballots can still be tampered with
>ballot box stuffing, throwing out opposing ballots, even changing ballots.

But you can have lay people there to observe this going on, whereas you'd need some engineers with logic analyzers to really track everything a totally computerized system is doing.

Re:Paper can also be tampered with...

[Catbeller]

"whereas you'd need some engineers with logic analyzers to really track everything a totally computerized system is doing."

And they couldn't possibly monitor the situation. Are all the voting machines running approved code? Impossible to know. Is the code locked down, or is it being replaced dynamically to cover tracks? Unknown. Is the code, a closed binary, full of triggers and cheats that only activate within certain parameters? Human nature says probably. Have the flash card couriers been tampered with? Who knows. Are the MS Windows machines acting as accumulators tampered with? Shrug. Is the easily modified Access database on the accumulator protected from tampering with Notepad? Impossible. Is there anyone around who is both 1) suspicious 2) knowledgeable enough to spot gross tampering? Nope. Are the vote totals modified when the technicians are called in to fix the machines during elections? Yes, Virginia, they are and it is a fact.

Even paper backups won't work, and here is why: Paper ballots would not be counted unless a recount is triggered when the vote total could go either way because of a minute spread, OR obvious fraud is committed. If one is controlling the vote tallies at a district level, all you have to do, say, if the trigger is 1%, is to make sure the spread is greater than 1% -- and the RECOUNT NEVER HAPPENS. The paper ballots are not manually counted under scrutiny and compared to the computer counted votes.

And this is beyond the maddening fact that Americans don't understand computers, cheating, or how to avoid this mess. The persistent idiocy I always hear from officials or reporters is the "print a receipt to take home with you" concept. Hair. Pull. Out. Receipts are useless! Paper ballots must be printed for each vote, shown the the voter, and placed in a ballot box.

Here's a simple fix for the recount trigger problem: random manual recounts for every election. IF even ONE of the races turn up as fixed, the lid is blown and we go back to hand counts. I can only hope.

Diebold has fought a manual recount system so ferociously that (Occam's Razor) they have indeed fixed elections. Their have been a lot of stories and sources stating that the employees know something is crooked, altho they are afraid for their jobs. Jobs in IT are scarce. The top management is far-rightist and saw it's duty as electing Bush; the details are tiresome.

Notice exit polls are no longer conducted? They "broke" during 2000, so no news organization will have them anymore. This in spite of the fact that statistics don't "break" during only one extremely critical election, and no other. They didn't break, kids, the election totals were altered and no longer matched reality.

Now we have these damned cheating machines in my precinct. I will vote absentee. To stop me, they'll have to "lose" boxes like the last election.

The defunding of public schools has produced a nation of incurious people who can't understand how simple it now is to change election totals to suit those who run the machines.

Re:Paper can also be tampered with...

[Pig Hogger]

Here's a simple fix for the recount trigger problem: random manual recounts for every election. IF even ONE of the races turn up as fixed, the lid is blown and we go back to hand counts. I can only hope.

Here, recounts are automagically triggered if there is less than 5% difference between two candidates.

Re:Paper can also be tampered with...

[symbolic]

They didn't break, kids, the election totals were altered and no longer matched reality.

What's ironic here is that in some countries, the exit polls determine the outcome of an election. The voting process itself is more a formality. I think this lends some strong credibility to your comment.

Re:Paper can also be tampered with...

[Grym]

d they couldn't possibly monitor the situation. Are all the voting machines running approved code? Impossible to know. Is the code locked down, or is it being replaced dynamically to cover tracks? Unknown. Is the code, a closed binary, full of triggers and cheats that only activate...

Guys... it's really not this difficult. Think about it for a second. If the machine prints out a HUMAN-READABLE ticket that the voter can verify and stick in the ballot box, no amount of computerized shenanigans can significantly affect the vote. Then, it's a simple matter of counting up the votes on the tickets (whether automatically or by hand) and comparing that number to the number recorded on the computer.

And that's just a simple system. Far better have been lined out and even discussed at length on slashdot. It can be done.

Diebold has fought a manual recount system so ferociously that (Occam's Razor) they have indeed fixed elections... Their have been a lot of stories and sources stating that the employees know something is crooked, altho they are afraid for their jobs. Jobs in IT are scarce. The top management is far-rightist and saw it's duty as electing Bush; the details are tiresome.

Bullshit. We all hear lots of stories. I want to see evidence to your claims. The whole part about people losing their jobs is such a red herring. There's enough people wanting to know this information that no whistle-blower at Diebold would ever have to worry about getting another job or money for that matter. They'd become an instant hero (with movie rights) and would probably receive vast political and financial support from the great number of people who absolutely hate Bush. Think about it. They'd be bigger than Cindy Sheehan--before she went crazy.

But how about we use Occam's Razor again? The fact that SO many people are looking for tangible proof that fraud occurred and that none has been found leads to the conclusion that no evidence exists--which further leads to the conclusion that no fraud occurred. What's wrong with my logic here?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that some fraud didn't occur (it probably did) or that Diebold isn't a morally bankrupt entity (they're pieces of shit). But making these outrageous claims that fraud, on an unprecedented level, affected the outcome of a national election without any sort of evidence is ridiculous. Not only that, but such accusations are dangerous. Public trust in the elections is paramount in a democracy. You wouldn't want the same kind of accusations being thrown seriously around without evidence if your guy won, would you?

Don't be surprised if your candidates keep losing elections if you (their supporters) keep promoting such ideas. The majority of Americans don't like extremists--and they HATE poor losers. Throwing those accusations without any sort of reliable evidence makes you look like both.

Notice exit polls are no longer conducted? They "broke" during 2000, so no news organization will have them anymore. This in spite of the fact that statistics don't "break" during only one extremely critical election, and no other. They didn't break, kids, the election totals were altered and no longer matched reality.

Maybe you should've paid better attention in STATS 101. Statistics based on unrepresentative samples are worthless. This is a classic problem with statistics.

Nobody is saying that the statistics "broke." It's just that they're inaccurate for one very simple reason: people motivated by different reasons tend to vote at different times. Those highly motivated tend to vote early. Those less motivated vote whenever it's convenient. In other words, the anti-Bush crowd rushed to the polls early in the day, and when polling services extrapolated from this sample set, it got a Kerry win. But later in the day, when the Bush voters showed up, it became clear that Bush was going to win--thus the discrepancy.

What

Re:Paper can also be tampered with...

[Shaper_pmp]

The first poster was paranoid, but you're wilfilly oblivious.

Exit polls have been used the world over to predict election results for decades .

The 2000 and 2004 elections were widely suspected to have been corrupt, and there's a positive litany of discrepancies, sketchy behaviour and incredibly convenient "co-incidences" around the personnel involved and results obtained. Then, after these useful and reliable exit polls disagree strongly with the "official" result, the administration says it doesn't want to do exit polls any more?

Have exit polls returned perfectly usable, useful results for the overwhelming majority of the time they've been used? Yes.

If "exit polls" had suddenly and spontaneously broken in this one case, does that justify not using them in the future? No, because statistical outliers aside, in general they're still very good.

Have we discovered any new maths, or a statistical theory that suddenly proves exit polls are dangerously misleading? No.

Were the exit polls wrong disproportionately more often in districts where Diebold machines were used? Yes.

So we have a single event where the long-working exit polls (which are normally accurate) are suddenly and significantly different from the final official tally. This could be written off as a statistical fluke, but the Diebold and ES&S machines are already suspected of widespread insecurity and/or deliberate tampering, and then when it all hits the media the administration announces it won't be conducting exit polls any more?

Why, when they've been used for decades without problem, are exit polls suddenly considered dangerous or misleading? Apart from, that is, their potential to provide an indication of election-tampering?

Re:Way

[EvanED]

How would you protect the company's IP but allow an independent and honest study of the code to take place?

Have them release the source to the public. Not LICENCE the source to the public, just release it.

Sure, it makes it eaiser for other companies to copy what they're doing, but it is no less legal simply because it's easier. And if we apply the same standards to everyone, any company wanting to get into the elections business would need to release code, so it would be at least sorta easy to detect copying.

FYI

[TubeSteak]

From TFA:

To put this in context, the California Secretary of State did not originate the idea and suddenly decide to invite us to a test.

Black Box Voting formally issued a request for replication of the Hursti findings under California Election Code 19202.

Here's the link to the specific post detailing their request

If the editors are listening, it might be worth fixing the /. blurb.
That little mistake puts the issue in a wrong light.

Tell me again: WHY MACHINES ?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why are they using machines to count the votes ?

Here in Germany the voting process is 100% transparent.

The whole country is divided into ~400000 pieces. In each of these pieces, a votingplace is established. Each votingplace is maned by 7 citicens (volunteers prefered. vacant posts are filled by selecting random citicen.).

The voters vote through making a cross on a piece of paper.

After the vote, the whole voting comittee counts the votes two times. After that, the votes are sealed in a bag. The result and the votes are then given to /fetched by the administration.

During the whole process, _every_ citicen has the right to be on place and controll the work of the comittee.

The whole process is FAST:
Usually it only takes ~1 hour to count the votes.

Voters don't need complicated instruction manuals (everybody knows how to use a pen, right ?)

The whole process is reliable:
It is very hard for a political party to man a whole comittee.

As every citisen has the right (and many make use of their right) to be on place and to controll the work, falsifiing is extremely hard.

Because we have a clear paper-trail, every vote can get re-counted.

Ever tried to use a machine when there is a power-outage ? Pens work without electricity.

The whole process is CHEAP:
No expensive machines.
Volunteers & citicens don't get paid.

Re:Tell me again: WHY MACHINES ?

[innot]

Here in Germany the voting process is 100% transparent.

I wish it was as it used to be, but they are sneaking blackbox voting into german elections as well.

During the last election a few weeks ago 2.100 out of 80.000 polling stations used computers.
Of course they had to use computers without paper trail, computers which an expert team of the irish election commission found to be unfit for use due to the usual issues (secret source code, no code audits etc.)

While small manipulations of the elections would have made no difference in the resulting big coalition, remember that the two parties of the big coalition were only some tenths of a percent from each other, so a few votes in the other direction and Schröder would have remained in Office.

I really doubt that there have been any manipulations (yet), but Germany is not safe from close calls where a smalll manipulation could make all the difference.

Here is an article about two two experts who filed a protest against the results of the last election due to the use of unsafe voting machines.

As one of the two people invited to this shindig..

[JimMarch(equalccw)]

Let's make a few points clear here.

1) The Libertarian connection happened as a result of California Election Code 15004, which reads:

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The county central committee of each qualified political party may employ, and may have present at the central counting place or places, not more than two qualified data processing specialists or engineers to check and review the preparation and operation of the tabulating devices, their programming and testing, and have the specialists or engineers in attendance at any or all phases of the election.
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So we (Black Box Voting) approached the California Libertarian Party to team up and do up-close inspections of these voting machines, or at least explore what's possible under 15004. They hired us at a buck a day. The main result: we ended up with listings of installed software and drivers that make it obvious Diebold wasn't obeying a court order to shut down networking drivers that weren't necessary. We've complained to the California AG's office about this and Diebold's cross-connection of the San Diego central tabulator box to the Internet (also banned by both the same court order and state regulation). More details at:

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth .cgi?file=/1954/14325.html

This upcoming "test hack" at the California Secretary of State's office is another matter entirely.

This all started when we (Black Box Voting) hired Finnish security consultant Harri Hursti to help out in a "test hack" in Leon County FL where the county elections official (Ion Sancho) was worried about all this "Diebold" controversy.

What Hursti found was pretty wild. In short: before the election, all the precinct memory cards are prepped from the central vote count box with the ballot and candidate data...normal enough. But the cards are also prepped with interpreted BASIC code loaded into all the memory cards to control the output of the summary counter printer at each precinct. Worse, if you mess around with that code loaded first at the central tabulator, you can make that end-of-day-printout read whatever you want...put in a vote-skimming routine, false numbers, whatever. Nothing in the system at the central or precinct ends checks for hashes or whatever to see if the BASIC code is legit. Said code can be date/time sensitive so that the machines will still pass Logic&Accuracy testing before or after the election. With the paper trail at the precinct dickered with, you can use the other major hack available - altering the central database of votes to match the precinct report paper. Not hard - the central database of votes is written in MS-Access so either load a commercial copy of Access and tweak by hand, or load/type a Visual Basic script to monkey with the JET database engine (the "Access back end") on autopilot.

Net result: one thoroughly "pwned" election.

The full report:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVreport.pdf

Since then, *nobody* has tried to duplicate the Hursti results. If they're true, Diebold would have to do a nationwide recall and the Federally approved testing labs (Ciber Inc. in Huntsville AL and a division of Wyle also in Huntsville) would need a visit by people with badges, guns and search warrants.

After the preliminary report on the Leon County hack was released but before the final report linked above, Bev Harris and I formally asked the California Secretary of State's office to check out the issues Hursti found, under yet another obscure clause of the California elections code, 19202:

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Any person or corporation owning or being interested in any voting system or part of a voting system may apply to the Secretary of State to examine it and report on its accuracy and efficiency to fulfill its purpose. The Secretary of State shall complete his or her examination without undue delay

Re:Just wondering...

[JimMarch(equalccw)]

Exactly.

A variant of this for voting machines would involve the distribution of the MD5s or similar on the websites of the vendors, the county governments using it, the Federal Election Commission website and the like, along with a script that will check every file on the voting machine in question for accuracy.

A concerned voter or party rep or one of us at Black Box Voting or whatever can download all that, put it on CD-ROM.

The county can then test the CD you bring in and make sure it contains nothing but the "checker program", mark that CD "approved", you then stick it in the voting machine(s) and run it even with very limited "geek quotient". Now everybody can trust everybody.

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Another big issue is that the data files need to be made public. As God is my witness, Diebold and other major vendors are claiming that the database files (MS-Access in Diebold's case, SQL in most others) are "proprietary trade secrets"(!) and cannot be released by the counties under various public records laws of each state.

This is utter BS. Hell, if you have just ONE set of Diebold data files you know their table layouts and whatnot, and many such have been published all over the net for literally years...with Diebold taking no legal action to make them go away since...well they gave up around Oct. of 2003. See also:

http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html ...for my personal collection and

http://www.equalccw.com/liebold.html ...for a view of the first and last time they tried to have any of my stuff taken offline.

Diebold MS-Access data files *can* hold forensic traces of vote-hacking if the hack wasn't done very professionally. So why is Diebold fighting to make sure the data files don't end up in public hands, when this "trade secrets" argument is clearly horse manure?

Either they're messing with votes, or they're afraid some of the counties are because Diebold has made it so damned easy.

Jim March
BlackBoxVoting (.org)

Bad news: paper ain't the whole answer

[JimMarch(equalccw)]

Paper trails are great so long as they're USED, at least for spot-checking.

Right now, California has one of the better laws on this, saying that 1% of the precincts need to be hand-counted once there's a paper trail in place. And paper trails are mandated beginning in '06.

Great.

But several counties don't assign their absentee ballots to precincts - they treat them as a distinct batch. And since they're not PRECINCTS, these counties claim they don't fall under the 1% manual recount rule.

Los Angeles County (population 12 MILLION) is among these.

So even though absentee voting *always* includes a paper trail (the part people mail in), in LA and elsewhere it doesn't get spot-checked. Hack just that portion of the vote, you're golden.

Sigh.

In six states it's ILLEGAL to recount paper ballots...danged if I know why. Most states don't have a spot-check rule.

Voter verifiable paper is a good start but it's only "part of this complete breakfrast" if you know what I mean...

Jim March
Black Box Voting

Good reference: Nevada gaming device standards

[Animats]

The Nevada Gaming Control Board has a set of technical standards for gambling devices. Those are a good, practical reference for something that has to resist tampering. Voting machine standards need to be at least as strong.

A few excerpts:

• A gaming device must exhibit total immunity to human body electrostatic discharges on all player-exposed areas. ... A gaming device may exhibit temporary disruption when subjected to electrostatic discharges of 20,000 to 27,000 volts DC through a network with a series resistance of 150 to 1500 ohms shunted by a capacitance of 100 to 150 picofarads, but must exhibit a capacity to recover and complete an interrupted play without loss or corruption of any stored or displayed information and without component failure.
• Physical security. A gaming device must resist forced illegal entry and must retain evidence of any entry until properly cleared or until a new play is initiated. A gaming device must have a protective cover over the circuit boards that contain programs and circuitry used in the random selection process and control of the gaming device, including any electrically alterable program storage media. The cover must be designed to permit installation of a security locking mechanism by the manufacturer or end user of the gaming device.
• Printer mechanisms on gaming devices must be designed to detect low paper, paper out, and paper jam conditions. The device control program must monitor the printer mechanism for these error conditions in all active game states that do not indicate error conditions.
• All gaming devices which have control programs residing in one or more Conventional ROM Devices must employ a mechanism approved by the chairman to verify control programs and data. The mechanism used must detect at least 99.99 percent of all possible media failures.
• All gaming devices having control programs or data stored on memory devices other than Conventional ROM Devices must: (a) Employ a mechanism approved by the chairman which verifies that all control program components, including data and graphic information, are authentic copies of the approved components. The chairman may require tests to verify that components used by Nevada licensees are approved components. The verification mechanism must have an error rate of less than 1 in 10 to the 38th power and must prevent the execution of any control program component if any component is determined to be invalid. Any program component of the verification or initialization mechanism must be stored on a Conventional ROM Device that must be capable of being authenticated using a method approved by the chairman. (b) Employ a mechanism approved by the chairman which tests unused or unallocated areas of any alterable media for unintended programs or data and tests the structure of the storage media for integrity. The mechanism must prevent further play of the gaming device if unexpected data or structural inconsistencies are found. (c) Provide a mechanism for keeping a record, in a form approved by the chairman, anytime a control program component is added, removed, or altered on any alterable media. The record must contain a minimum of the last 10 modifications to the media and each record must contain the date and time of the action, identification of the component affected, the reason for the modification and any pertinent validation information. (d) Provide, as a minimum, a two-stage mechanism for validating all program components on demand via a communication port and protocol approved by the chairman. The first stage of this mechanism must verify all control components. The second stage must be capable of completely authenticating all program components, including graphics and data components in a maximum of 20 minutes. The mechanism for extracting the authentication information must be stored on a Conventional ROM Device that must be capable of being authenticated by a method approved by the chairman.

Nevada asked the Gaming Control Board to take a look at voting machines. After that review, Nevada went to a paper trail in 2004.

Yup. That's my boss :).

[JimMarch(equalccw)]

Definately a she, not on meds, has no use for Osama Yo Mama, ain't a commie :).

She has however been an action movie star:

http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/volusia2.mpg

Drop dead funny, taken from a "dumpster dive session" behind an elections department warehouse in Volusia County FL in which all sorts of real voting records (mainly the critical end-of-day polltapes) had been thrown out. Illegally.

("Poll tapes" are printed on older voting machines on "cash register rolls", they basically spit out about 3ft worth of "I took in 345 votes for Bush, 257 for Kerry" type stuff, keeping a "running tally". They're not as good as a voter verified paper trail, they can be "hacked" at least in Diebold's case, but that's not THAT easy and a cheating election official(s) with limited or no techie background would find it easier to just junk them.)

Please ask for a voter-verified paper ballot.

[jbn-o]

I understand what you mean, but please ask for "voter-verified paper ballots" instead of a "paper trail".

I was part of the Champaign County Election Equipment Advisory Board in Champaign county Illinois. We were an appointed body whose job was to evaluate voting machines that would make us compliant with the new "Help America Vote Act" law. Our board heard sales pitches from a few vendors (Diebold, HartIntercivic, ES&S) and their local reps, we asked them questions, collected information, and eventually made a recommendation to the County Board (who are elected). We've given the County Board our advice and the County Board will make the final decision and sign the contracts.

We took a field trip to Tippecanoe county Indiana and saw a Diebold voting machine, and our guides were nice enough to give us a demonstration. We were familiar with the Diebold system they demonstrated from a user and administrator's perspective, but we were stunned that the long strip of paper the machine printed was not voter-verified. The Diebold machine we saw produced this paper if the operator had a physical key and pressed the appropriate button (typically the election judge on the site would do this at the end of election day). But no voters got to see what was printed on the paper, therefore there was no way for a voter to make sure that there was any accurate written record of their vote, even a printed record that stayed with the election judges (not a receipt).

Ostensibly, what's on the paper is a record of votes in a pseudo-random order (so as to prevent an election judge from correlating a particular voter with the printed information). But since the paper is not voter-verified, what was written on the paper is completely untrustworthy. Voters were relying on whatever the software says. Tippecanoe county Indiana is a long-time Diebold customer (since before Diebold bought Global Election Systems, if I recall correctly).

This machine compelled me to distinguish between a "paper trail" (which the Diebold reps and the Tippecanoe county demonstrators assured us the machine could generate) and a "voter-verified paper ballot". The former simply isn't good enough.

I am a loser extremist.

[TapeCutter]

"I want to see evidence to your claims."

It's on every diebold machine, just fish it out of the bit-bucket.

Insightfull, WTF? Your whole argument about statistics is based on the administration's official straw men (ie: exit polls were taken only in the morning, sampling is not as reliable as the official total). There were at least three sets of numbers, Rove's predictions, Diebold's count and the Exit poll stat's. Two of them were a very close match but they were not the two sets everyone (except Rove) had expected, the explaination is Rove101, stats101 has it's money on the exit polls.

"The majority of Americans don't like extremists--and they HATE poor losers. Throwing those accusations without any sort of reliable evidence makes you look like both."

Off course if I point out your statistician has no clothes I am a loser extremist and it is every American's patriotic duty to hate me. ( The "hate" bit may one day become the definition of "irony" ).

"Not only that, but such accusations are dangerous."

In other words, allowing people to voice concerns when they have no "evidence" is dangerous, therefore it's better to shun them than to answer their concerns. Modern doublethink: Provided you don't live in a cave with suicidal nutcases, it's ok to start a war without sane reasoning.

Why a paper trail? Here is a better idea.

[Jagasian]

I am disappointed that edjucated engineers are crying out for a paper trail on for voting machines. We can use an all computerized system that lets everybody count the votes, and is secured via asymmetric encryption. Two public lists are maintained by the government. One list contains registered public keys. This list is generated during voter registration, when a person submits their typical voter registration info along with their public key and an optional request to be anonymous. If a person is anonymous, then only their public key is added to the list, and otherwise their name is also added. When people vote, they use their own computer to cast a vote via the web, and their vote consists of a pair:

( public key, encrypt( private key, ( public key, votes ) ) )

Then anybody can have access to both lists. Anything that can be observed using a paper trail is now observable via a purely computerized system. Even better, since anybody has access to both lists, anybody can count the votes and anybody can audit the system.